Thomas Sowell said blacks were doing well before the welfare state. I don’t have the exact passage...

Thomas Sowell said blacks were doing well before the welfare state. I don’t have the exact passage, but it’s in Black Rednecks and White Liberals.

He said in Harlem he could sleep on the fire escape at night when it was hot and it would be safe. He said black children played safely in the park after dark.

I don’t hear this argument addressed in the alt right or on pol. I understand that on average blacks have a lower IQ and there are many problems that result. But they were doing well, weren’t they?

Without the welfare state, would most black people be OK, meaning not gang banging, fatherless thugs and whores?

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It seems unarguagable that they were less bad 50 years ago, although part of the inferiority is genetic too.

I understand if an entire society is composed of people with lower IQs, it will cause problems, but couldn’t we get along with a small minority of blacks people without the welfare state?

We get along with a small minority of blacks already. Doesn't really change much.

Low iq isn't equivalent to being lazy, poor or criminal. You can live a fufilling life with a lower iq

So we can get along if the welfare start were removed?

What do you mean that it doesn’t really change much? I don’t understand.

They were doing alright. Not "well" unless you mean "relatively well." But almost anything would be better relative to contemporary conditions.

Think were "looking up" would be another way to put it. They weren't achieving at equal levels as whites and asians because the IQ gap has always existed.

There are many problems with the blacks. Thinking it's just welfare state or low IQ is oversimplifying the issue.

Intentionally or not, the ruling class turned them into what they are today. They shot all their intellectual leaders and put an entire generation of Black Panthers in prison, leaving an entire generation of kids growing up without fathers. As everyone on Sup Forums knows, the nuclear family is the cornerstone of society. If you destroy that, everything else crumbles very quickly.

You think the drugs and guns and rap culture evolved naturally, without any outside influence? You think the billion dollar prison industry doesn't benefit from having so many of them behind bars? It's a low key form of modern slavery.

Don't get me wrong, I dislike niggers as much as anyone, but they were and can be much better than they are today.

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Yeah but they weren’t committing crimes like they are now. For me, that’s the key.

The most brilliant move the Democrats ever made was utterly destroying the notion of family in the black community.

It does have a lot to do with genetics but not in the way many of you guys think. It's all in the women.
Before welfare state
>Black women want to have kids, a home and financial security
>In order to do that they look for men who are hard working and intelligent who will be able to provide them with a home and ll their needs are covered
>Have children with these men
>Children grow up to be like their fathers, har working, law abiding
>Thugs and criminal black men are still present but they are not passing their genetics much because yes women love badboys but they love financial security even more. Tyrone Jones cant provide that, Wallace Jackson can.
After Welfare
>Black women still want kids, a home and financial security
>Government provides home, welfare, foodstamps and all other needs
>Time to get those kids now
>No longer needing an intelligent, law abiding hard working man to provide for them, they can now return to their primal instictst and start fucking and breeding with 6'5 pure muscle badboy thugs
>"I aint want no lame ass college nigga, I want me a real ass nigga"
>"Real niggas" are the only ones breeding and having children Good black men are discarded and seen as lame niggas and not reproducing as much
>Black children end up growing up like their thug real nigga dads

There is countless videos on youtube of black men complaining about black women and how they only like thugs and real niggas. Women love badboys and other men who show primitive instincts. Nothing against them, it;s evolutionary, just like we like phat asses because we are still primates. Women are just wired to go for alpha males who will survive in the caveman days. But because of civilization they were forced to go for financial security. With welfare however, they can get financial security and still breed with alphas. It's just alpha fucks, beta bucks on a larger scale

Blacks were doing better in the 1980s.
It seemed like those that relied on race politics then started to panic. Whites enjoyed rap music. You had southern redneck kids knowing all the words to Fresh Prince's music. So then came "gangsta rap" where they used "nigger" so much that white people couldn't really imitate it. Then the whole "authentically black" shit. Went a little too far with "ebonics" which was widely mocked. But (((They))) started driving a wedge between blacks and whites under the guise of "progressivism". To now where there is "white privilege". A term that was, of course, invented by some old white libtarded woman. Because they need this division. Sup Forums is good at noticing the results but not the cause. The cause is deliberate. We are supposed to notice the nasty degenerate behavior so that we can be called "racist" for noticing. But lilly white "progressives" instill the victim culture and mentality that produces the degenerate behavior. That also requires blacks to "need" them to fix their problems (and why they never get fixed). They must rely on the nanny state and not believe they can be independent. The progressives need us to notice the resulting degeneracy so that they can point and call us "racist" so blacks stick with them. Short version: The democrats never gave up slavery, they just found a new way to keep them on the plantation.

Yes, welfare is a war on the people. It hurts everyone, whites included, but it hurts blacks more. Blacks could have had "atomic families" too, now for the most part they can't even imagine life without the dole.

This in a nutshell.

No he didn't, he said they were progressing at a faster rate in the 40's and 50's before the welfare state

Yes he did. Being able to go outside in Harlem and not worry about getting shot is doing better than they are now.

Well the breakdown of the family fucked them the most, and children raised in unstable single mother homes have lower IQs than children raised in nuclear families. And the fact that the traditional Evangelical Christian patriarchy that guided the African American community after the abolishing of slavery was destroyed thanks to feminism and the war on drugs, you end up with rapid dysgenics since black women dating choices aren't being criticised and monitored by the leading patriarch within the family and black women aren't mating with good responsible hard working black men anymore but low IQ thugs. So environmental factors+dysgenics could have wiped off atleast 5 IQ points from the AA average. At at avg IQ of 90, AAs could have been functioning minorities, a bit like Mexicans.

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Please observe the IQ table for appropriate jobs.

Filipinos.

Their average IQs is 86; not so far from american niggers. However, they arent violent or anti-social so they end up being productive. Sure they wont end up working the most intellectually challenging jobs, but they do just fine. They actually earn some of the highest avg income. So IQ isnt everything

It's not so much that they were doing well. it's that they are doing utterly shit now. Things responsible:
welfare dependency
drug use explosion
destruction of the nuclear family thru divorce laws pushed by feminists
erosion of church values (even atheists can agree church is good for keeping peasants in line)
What gets blamed for the black communities problem:
systemic racism
the CIA
the police

You cant treat black people like white people and not expect problems. Returning to Jim Crow and sterner, less tolerant policing would improve their lives. Pretending they are no different than white people and if their EBT cards were just full enough they would behave like white people is a fools errand that has cost us more than a trillion dollars and half a century.

This has to do with segregation. When they are left to themselves and considered different and separate, they developed their own culture.
It was when they were forcibly thrust into the American mainstream by the likes of Alinsky disciples that things went wrong.
Unironically, "how can they ever compete?"

No, it's a myth that somehow blacks were all fine until the 60's when 'welfare programs' started appearing and made them all shitty. Most current welfare programs today have existed since the New Deal, the only large and actually new social-welfare program that was introduced in the 60's was Medicare (which blacks really didn't benefit from for the first few decades because they had shorter life expectancy and their average age was lower than whites') and Medicaid. Both of which don't offer free cash or encourage decadent behavior.

The real reason why blacks started to go into a perceptible social decline after the 50's is because de-industrialization was first setting in during the late 50's as Europe and Asia's economies started to recover from WW2, and the wave of manufacturing jobs affected were low-skilled ones that were predominantly filled with blacks. This was a documented phenomenon--many blacks got laid off throughout the 60's from this economic trend, and a lot of them had a limited education which they had trouble finding new work outside of low-wage service jobs, and the trend of has consistently worsen over the decades. That, and because society was way much more stricter and unsympathetic against them chimping out until the 60's.

Best way to solve this is to bring back tracking in schools and establish nationwide disciplinary boot-camp schools for deliquescent. Most blacks aren't suited for college and don't benefit from most K-12 subjects taught to them, they're better off once they hit 11-12 for most of them to be sent to a vocational school and learn a trade, a minority of the best among them to be sent to a college-prep school, and the worse among them to boot-camps and be forced to do manual work as a public service.

Except IQ has been linked to criminality and low economic outcome. Studies find similar levels of IQ in prison populations across races.