A place for discussing all things vegan ethics, politics & health
Meat consumption is ruining the environment. - Pollutes rivers - Forests cleared for livestock - Causes soil degradation - Massive inefficiency - Major contributor to global warming.
The most common and well known argument is the argument from marginal cases. Loosely speaking, the argument contends that animals as sentient as retards should have the same moral status
Morality is relative? - Science, logic, mathematics are all based on axioms that are not proven, what is different about morality and moral axioms? Think this argument through before arguing for it, it is not as simple as you think. (most philosophers are moral realists and believe moral propositions can in fact be true)
Meatcucks please realise the difference between normative ethics (what we ought to do) and descriptive ethics (what beliefs do people have). Normative ethics is what is being discussed with regards to veganism and morality.
e.g. - people should not eat animals for x reason (relevant normative claim) - people eat animals for y reason (irrelevant descriptive claim)
stop eating processed food, start making your own food, cut out as much saturated fat and cholesterol as possile, eat 1 onions a day, be cautiouse of what you eat, make a cronometer account, erxercise
Elijah Murphy
Also stop eating dairy, never eat dairy again
Christian Brooks
b-but muh iodine gainz
Colton Phillips
i "supplement" with 3.5g of iodine salt, because i dont eat processed shit most stuff doesnt containe a tone of sodium, that way i get my DRI for sodium and iodine, 3.5g
Bentley Foster
Nice post Durian
Christopher Cruz
>frogs in the front giving Hitler salute
Luke Watson
DR is a sickcunt
Sebastian Green
I've been vegan for two years.
Our racial ideology is strongly connected to our disgust response. We find outsiders to be disgusting. We find sex outside of marriage to be disgusting due to the spread of diseases.
Considering this, It makes perfect sense for us to abstain from eating meat. Eating meat is impure, disgusting and degenerate. It is dirty.
We don't abstain from meat due to animal suffering, we do it because it's unclean and we do it because we want the best for our health.
Parker Campbell
I was joking desu, milk has iodine because of the tit dip :D:D:D
Juan Lopez
>this kills the vegcuck
Gavin Foster
but milk is bad for you >food is now an argument agains lower rates of diet related disease
James Fisher
this kills the meatcuck
Carson Garcia
milk is absolutely not bad for you. youre just wrong.
yes goy, estrogen is good for you >regrets extending his life hahaha, well I cant help that, might want to shorten it with cocaine rather then meat.
Andrew Hernandez
Sshhh
Ryder Sullivan
The soft coloring of that pic makes me feel cozy like I am seeing an episode of Star Trek TOS (TNG is for soulless lizards)
Josiah Sanders
proof?
Parker Brown
im about to read that article my burger. im a scientist.
Justin Watson
there is nothing exept b12 in milk that you cant get elswere, without pumping yourself full of estrogen.
Leo Davis
>full of estrogen hardly. 130 ng/L of estrone, 1.2ug/L of progesterone, also 90 ng/L testosterone. also, you need to look up the health benefits of low dose progesterone (nerve protection, skin protection, antinflammatory, stem cell regeneration)
you wanna be scientific bro, read up its all there in the paper you cited. also, soy milk is an amazing antinflammatory beverage and its highly recommended.
Noah Sullivan
>there is nothing exept b12 in milk that you cant get elswere Maybe your English is getting crossed. You can get b12 in plant milks, sips, supps, etc.
Henry Roberts
I wish this meme would die. Hitler wasn't a vegan. No one knows for sure even if he was actually a vegetarian. Stop lumping vegans with vegetarians to make your nutritionally incomplete cult of a diet appear normal.
John Kelly
sure also some tasty growth hormone, 130ng/L is a fucktone, a birthcontroll pill high dossage is 35000ng of estrogen
Zachary Miller
the proof is in the pudding. milk is the primary nutrient of babies. the so-called colostrum, then milk. nature doesnt fuck up too much. if you have high cholesterol, ok skip the fat and get low fat milk.
Kayden Parker
You should take progesterone if you want the benefits of low dose progesterone. Just lol if you think 1microgram orally is going to have any appreciable effect. The estrogen and POPs in milk is a different story.
Daniel Sanders
>nutritionally incomplete
try again
Luke Rogers
nah bro, why get estrogen mimicers with the same effect when you can get tasty realy estrogen that lowers you test
Joseph Evans
>"no one knows for sure" In a diary entry dated 26 April 1942, Joseph Goebbels described Hitler as a committed vegetarian, writing,
"An extended chapter of our talk was devoted by the Führer to the vegetarian question. He believes more than ever that meat-eating is harmful to humanity. Of course he knows that during the war we cannot completely upset our food system. After the war, however, he intends to tackle this problem also. Maybe he is right. Certainly the arguments that he adduces in favor of his standpoint are very compelling."
Owen Long
Another disingenuous or ignorant poster. You can't get true B12 from a vegan diet alone. No plant contains true B12 naturally, only pseudo B12. As a vegan, you need supplements like a chronically-ill patient to survive.
dude, thats a 270 fold difference. to get that dosage youd have to drink 270 liters of milk
Jose Sanders
but why if i can just drink milk?
Julian Jackson
And that's precisely my point. Is being a vegetarian the same as a vegan? You just want to lump vegetarians - who still consume some animal foods - with vegans to make your deficient diet appear normal.
Chase Sullivan
Because you need to take milligram doses of progesterone to get its beneficial effects.
Evan Sullivan
>No one knows for sure even if he was actually a vegetarian Goebbels proved you wrong. Don't move the goalpost.
Carter Miller
>disingenuous
take a few seconds to look at the pic brah
Aiden Morgan
Since vegan threads start appearing here, the soyboi bullshit started taking off.
It looks like a coordinated effort to maintain a cuckservative mindset on Sup Forums.
>vegan >cuckservative Pick one. Among right-wingers, boomer-tier conseratives are the least likely to be vegan, fascists the most.
Aaron Allen
He was a meat-eater most of his life tho. Also, not moving goal posts, you're using vegetarias as posterchildren for deficient diets. Pure intellectual dishonesty.
Evan Nguyen
Okay bro, show me some studies using
Jacob Reyes
Because your infographic is guaranteed to be misleading vegan propaganda. You simply cannot get all essentials from a vegan diet alone. Vegans NEED supplements/dietary pills to survive.
Levi Jones
THIS
B12 is a major red pill subject that people need to take seriously.
Benjamin Davis
Hitler was a vegetarian when being a vegetarian was a very uncommon thing. Considering his feelings towards animals and the overwhelming evidence today showing vegan diets to be equal or superior in nutrition to omnivorous diets, I have little doubt Hitler would be a vegan were he alive today.
Jacob Clark
well look, dont worry about the estrogen, milk is good for you. the amount of testosterone a man naturally makes can hardly be offset by this minor estrogen influx. let me tell you why you die. you deplete your stem cells. something helps stem cells regenerate longer. a certain sex lives longer. you do the math. who wants to be old for too long though?
Ayden Murphy
>Meat consumption is ruining the environment We should also ban guns because they are used irresponsibly. You are so right. Yeah!
Colton Kelly
>well look, dont worry about the estrogen, milk is good for you oyy fucking vey, dont worry about estrogen goy, bu-but soy raises estrogen and makes you a bitch, post a pic of you wabbely tits right now.
Jeremiah Ross
Yes, vegans supplement b12. So what? How is being 'forced' to take a b12 supplement any different than being 'forced' to eat meat?
Jaxon Hill
lol.
Elijah Edwards
Vegans and vegetarians are allies
Joshua Fisher
- Estrogen in milk lowers test and stops you developing into a real man
I don't care about your speculative what ifs. Hitler was never a vegan. A vegan diet alone is dangerous when not supplemented and you should stop spreading false information that claims otherwise.
Angel Smith
>he thinks there are no consequences for drinking the puss fat from another species.
Jaxon Powell
>Meat consumption is ruining the environment. Mass meat production by unethical companies ruins it. And it's far from being the only culprit of our environment being ruined: if we find lead in fish, and pesticides in water, it's not because of meat.
Check small local producers, many treat their animals well and are careful of the environment. Buy from them, or go hunting, just stop supporting the meat industry. It will be more expensive, you may not be able to eat as much meat as you used to, but eat fucking meat.
(((They))) want you to eat soy, never forget this. And you won't be a happy vegan if you can eat neither meat nor soy.
Charles Ward
no one is telling you not to supplement B12 cunt
Grayson Cook
Tell me where true b12 comes from. I know it hurts to do actual research but try.
Colton Thompson
>appeals to nature are now arguments >And you won't be a happy vegan if you can eat neither meat nor soy Wrong
Jacob Kelly
>living like a chronically ill idiot is better than just eating varied foods from both animal and plant sources.
Don't be silly.
Luis Cooper
>Vegans NEED supplements/dietary pills to survive So does everyone. Your argument is invalid.
Evan Allen
>lower rates of cancer, heart dissease, atheroscorosis and diabets are not worth poping one pill a day gotta die at 50 because medication is not natural
Owen Ross
Bot thread most likely.
Almost every Vegan who has been a Vegan for a couple of years has
>lost their teeth >lost color in their skin tone, making them look weird >lost weight, some looking like Holohoax survivors >lost their minds, just look at people like Vegan Gains
Simply put, there are some vitamins/minerals that aren't found in plants and are only found in meat/fish. If you don't mind losing your teeth, muscle and mind, go for a Vegan diet. If you're actually worried about your health, have an omnivore diet with plenty of greens and fish like nature intended.
Henry Brooks
and you are a baby? you are a baby and ur mother is a cow? what??
Adam Cook
What a fucking moronic post.
Jace Martin
I've already done my research and true, bio-ative B12 is produced by bacteria in the intestinal tract of animals during the first digestion, animals then either eat their own feces (called coprophagia) or eat foods contaminated with feces and then absorb B12 during the second digestion. This process is called double digestions. Humans lack double digestion and therefore CANNOT get B12 from their own feces.
best i got is this. looks to be something like 500 mg for a 100 kg person. but thats acute 4 days infusion for TBI. a mg/day sounds a lot for a chronic kind of exposure. you can get contraceptive effects with 150ug per dose.
Sebastian Torres
-Bio-active
Alexander Barnes
>Humans lack double digestion and therefore CANNOT get B12 from their own feces.
Tell that to this retard here
Nathan Long
and meat/fish get those vitamins/minerals from what exactly? you can't go vegan if ur an autist, you need to make sure you consume all the nutrients.
Luis Jones
listen croat. dont skip the blitva.
Jaxon King
>humans are the only ones that get atherosclorosis from their diet >humans are omnivores just because you can eat a shoo doesnt mean you should stop being a memeflag nigger, like I told you today and yesterday vegans supplementing with "fake" b12 still raise their blood levels of b12.
Brayden Rodriguez
blitva gud owo
Nathan Watson
>cholesterol
Grayson Sullivan
Do you realize that B12 fortified foods actually contain true B12 and what is being discussed right now is the inability of a vegan diet alone (without supplementation) of providing B12? You have learn nothing from yesterday and insist on spreading misleading information. You sound deranged as fuck.
Lucas Jenkins
>and meat/fish get those vitamins/minerals from what exactly?
so vegan b12 supplements containe realy b12 but real b12 is not found in vegan foods? a guy that only education is how to poke needles into people gives nutrition advice, supplementing with algy based epa and dha raises blood levels, or just consume enough omega 3 and your body can convert all the dha and epa he needs theveganrd.com/2010/11/do-vegans-need-supplements-of-omega-3-fats/
Ryder Morris
Vegans are faggots. Animals eat other animals. It's called life. Too bad you're too much of a jizz sponge to understand life.
Lucas Foster
>Joe Rogan podcast
kek
excellent source bro
Easton Foster
10% drop in urine 2 hours after drinking 1L of milk in 10 minutes. do you want me to tell you why thats a bad study? its not measured in blood. that 10% drop in urine is indicative of FUCKING RETENTION. so what youre saying is that the nips suck at science (knew that) and that milk actually increases your blood testosterone levels as evidenced by a drop of it urine (excreted testosterone). thats a perfectly valid reasoning, although it may not be true. thats why it was published in some shit journal with an impact factor of less than 1. thats crap my strayan cunt.
Julian Parker
no it isn't
high test means high test piss
Dylan Moore
Eat soy, goys. It's good for you, goy. Don't eat meat, it's baaaaad.
Nolan Martin
youtube.com/watch?v=mm-MpiFYpAQ do you like george monbiots points? hes a bit of a lefty ut his environmental points are bang on
Cameron James
what do you think of being a scavengetarian or freegan etc
Adrian Cooper
SOY IT WITH ME
SOY BOY
Landon Martinez
if you are on Sup Forums it may be of interest to you that adolph was mostly vegetarian and he was basically the realest nigger of all time
also i recommend looking into wagners feelings on the connection between the fall of man, consuming the flesh of animals and judaism. not joking about any of that
Ryan Davis
Lefty Sup Forums Vegan cucks are trying to divide Sup Forums creating shitty soyboy pro vegan homo pedo theards. Remember dont take the bait.
Nathan Williams
probably,
doesn't really take a genius to figure out eating meat is bad for the environment
Sup Forums likes to live in denial like a bunch of pussies
Jack Mitchell
>collating fatties and healthy meat eaters and thinking meat is bad >collating skinny vegans with deficiencies and healthy vegans and coming to the conclusion veganism must be good
AVERAGES HOW DO THEY WORK
Adam Evans
Plants have feelings to you Savages
Go back to eating meat so you can save the planet
Eli James
>make something appear normal by coupling it with Hitler
only Sup Forums
Ryan Cox
post a study showing the positive effects of eating tones of meat on diabetis then, vegans on average are the only ones that fit into the normal bmi range everyone else is overweight in the US
Eli Parker
> Hitler was vegan And a faggot in tight pants as well, nothing new. > Major contributor to global warming. Excellent.
Parker Hernandez
>industrial farming to feed animals harms environment >industrial farming to feed humans harms environment
