Fascist Economics

Could someone give me a quick rundown on fascist economic policy. What it is and how successful it has been/could be.

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>implying Facism is the same as National Socialism

I obviously just wrote 'fascist leaders' because it was more concise you idiot.

Yes I could hold on a second when I get out of shower

Don't know heaps about this but here it goes:
Facist Eco Policy revolved around capitalism but only for productive work (engineering, mining, selling fruit, whatever) and not speculative activities (trading bitcoin, maybe gambling(?), etc)
Could be a bit off thought this is my passing knowledge

There is no single fascist economic policy, as the defining features of fascism are not economic. So you need to specify which fascist regime you're referring to.

It's unlikely that any fascist's economic policy was more successful than it could have been without the fascism.

Probably the only good thing that can be truthfully said abut Hitler is that he was a competent economic manager.

You clearly need more research, hitler did not consider himself fascist, very few dictators do.

They're nationalists, so they follow a nationalist economic policy.
>private production is okay as long as it's in the interests of the nation, anti-nation corporations are fined or crushed
>if wealth redistribution will assist the development and prosperity of the nation, then do it
>if industry must be nationalized or socialized, then do it

here you go

Not true actually. The German economy exploded because of his massive infrastructure spending and military build up, but in the case of the former the returns would not be seen for decades and in the case of the latter there would be no returns at all. By mid 1938, the German Government was pretty much tapped out financially. The reason Hitler annexed Prague in violation of the Munich accords was less about building a greater Germany, and more about getting access to that countries gold reserves as well as to nationalize its corporations and seize their assets.

Hitler had found himself in a use or lose it scenario. He could no longer afford to keep such a large standing army. So the only two options were to either A. Begin drastic force reductions, or B. Start invading shit and stealing their assets.

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Thanks Estonia and Anglos.

The main thing I am wondering is how they kept themselves 'insulated' from the effects of external forces. Does it require some degree of self sufficiency? Why couldn't they just be pressured and manipulated by globalist forces?

Correct. National Socialism is not Fascism, although they are similar.

>Why couldn't they just be pressured and manipulated by globalist forces?
Did you miss the whole nationalist part?
They were all about their people and nation.

Similar in what way? If you mean they are similar because they are both dictatorships, then just say dictators instead of fascist leaders.

Fascism was against socialism and marxist ideologies of equality, saying all folk are not the same and need a ruling class. Hitler was a socialist and believed all Germans should have access to social programs.

Big globalist forces don't care about local people and nature. All they want is to maximize their profits. That is why there are many cheap labour factories in southeast asia. Fascist government needs great amount of self sufficiency but it doesn't exclude trading with other countries. Just everything that is made within your nation borders and for your people should be done according to fascist doctrine. No exploitation of people, keep good care of nature and no polluting. Degenerate businesses that would corrupt people's mind are prohibited.

fascism itself has no economic policy. fascism is a means to an end, a form of control over a state.

it's not like communism, or national socialism. both have had cases of being fascist (stalin, hitler), but the fascism is used as the means to achieve natsoc/commie. fascism can use capitalism as its economic policy, it can use socialism, it can use fucking whatever it wants since that's what fascism really is, the ability to enforce whatever you want.

it puts the success of the people into the hands of one party, and enforces it with military strength. this is why fascism has usually come about when the country is in a near-unrecoverable state.

ancient romans are a good example of this, fascism is heavily based off of what the roman imperialists did. even the name is based on the "fasces", a symbol of power and jurisdiction in ancient rome.

forgot to mention that it also enforces the militarization of its peoples, similar to what the romans did. an empire of soldiers. though rome slacked after a while, hence the whole fall of rome dealio

Thanks. What are the disadvantages, if any, of using such a system? Do you think there are any risks?

These I would argue that National Socialism is the most to the right on the economic axis, and Strasserism and possibly Falangism is the most to the left.

National Socialism is a German interpretation of fascism.

>Hitler was a socialist and believed all Germans should have access to social programs
That does not make you a socialist. NatSoc economics was Keynesian.

>That does not make you a socialist. NatSoc economics was Keynesian.
You are so wrong... If you were to see the list of social and labor rights hitler believed in and implemented you wouldn't be saying that.

>Self Sufficiency
Autarky is a huge part of an economy with a right wing/fascist government.
If you are dependent upon another country then you cannot truly call yourself independent nor can you say you are free to decide your own course.

I remember the story my parents told me of apartheid South Africa and how pretty much everything in the shops was made in the country, not to mention the clever lads at Sasol were able to make CTL work at such a level that the country was never as dependant on crude oil as the west was at the time.
CTL is the same technology that Nazi Germany used to ensure fuel supply to the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe during WW2.

Do you think our country could manage it without an empire?

>What are the disadvantages
>Do you think there are any risks?
Achieving autarky can be difficult or in some cases impossible.

Social programs and workers rights =/= socialism.
Private property still existed and the workers were paid wages (they did not own the means of production). Strasser was a socialist and he did not like the direction the NSDAP was going, thus the split.

>Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
>We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
>We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
>We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
>We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
>The state is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
>The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life.

>Nazism is right wing

During WWII the UK was very dependent on the US for aid. I think Churchill said the U-Boats were the only thing that really made him think they could lose the war.

>Social programs and workers rights =/= socialism.
You're using socialism in a useless as a synonym of communism, that is the American view of socialism. Socialism in Europe, germany included, and where the name of the party came from, is exactly that. Worker's "rights", civil "rights" and "fair" redistribution of wealth.

Mosley wrote a bit about it.

You can also read Salazar's book, since his academic field is finances.

Also something worth reading is Frederick the Great's Prussian economic policies

>Could someone give me a quick rundown on fascist economic policy. What it is and how successful it has been/could be.
IN essence it is simply Consumer based capitalism, with instead of a small elite printing money and causing inflation, the money is given to a person for an amount of work. (I.e One mark or dollar would equal one heavy load, or 20 minutes let's say of work for a company or for the state). These marks or dollars would then be used to buy everyday goods, so basically the international banker middleman is cut out entirely replaced with a publicly owned bank, that's their theory I last recall.

>We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
>We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
This was never implemented. Mostly because capitalists and industrialists ended up supporting Hitler to prevent the communist party taking over after the depression, and the boost in popularity for the NSDAP and commies. This was seen as a betrayal by the 'Beefsteak Nazis'.

You're describing Fabian socialism or Social Democracy.

*because of the boost

>You're describing Fabian socialism or Social Democracy.
I know americans call european socialism as "democratic socialism", but europeans just call it socialism. Go to any self described socialist in europe and ask what he believes. Better yet, go to any socialist party and describe what it stands for. In europe, if you want soviet socialism, your party is called Communist Party.

And the definition of socialism isn't really important. Hitler was a collectivist, he viewed germans as being superior, but equal among themselves, deserving of the same rights. Which is not what fascism stands for.

It doidnt work, dass why we don't have fascism nao

>Go to any self described socialist in europe and ask what he believes
I understand where you're coming from. And this is an example of the infighting between the left. Classical Marxists consider social democracy as welfare capitalism.

>but equal among themselves, deserving of the same rights
He saw Germans as equals in race and spirit, yes.
>Which is not what fascism stands for
How? Fascism is about class collaboration instead of class conflict. Hitler believed in this too.

Big business and The State work in unison to.control all a nations assets

>How? Fascism is about class collaboration instead of class conflict. Hitler believed in this too.
Maybe I've been injecting my definition of socialism into what I read Mussolini defined fascism to be. When I read fascism was against socialism because all people aren't the same, and deserve to be in their classes, I thought this as the opposite of the national socialist worker's party beliefs. If all germans are the same, then all germans deserve equal opportunity, which is an egalitarian belief.

VERTICAL SYNDICALISM!

I'm pretty sure Germans had the similar thing to what they have new with a bit more government involvement and focus on natives instead of T*rks and others

>Without the empire
The UK would have to go through a serious restructure of the economy
We would have to essentially return to a pre Thatcher economy with rationing food whilst the agriculture sector grows to support the population.

It'd be painful for a generation, but it wouldn't be impossible. Fracking and the North sea oil fields would also help ease the pain.

Great thread.
I want to make a question. How can we regulate our Polive and State law? how can we inforce it? Or is this another form of fascism?
I want to begin by saying what I would do if I was in charge of all of this chaos.
-I would install an all day recording camera and microphone set to Each Soldier/Cop/Commander etc, and I would connect it to a server for me to see and hear at their words with my own eyes and ears. I would panish whoever of them deactivated it withought permission.
-I would create underground bunker-like prison cells and close every pedophile and possibly every criminal who threatend a citisen's life or phycology.
In means to isolate them and have them go crazy and never escape from there.
-I would Regulate companies to the possible point of them getting pissed of at my laws. (Force them and Check on them or they would get either banned or force them to lose all their money or rights)
-Force AI's mostly to do the work for us
-Charge very large fines and bills at corporations (according to their seize and influence of course)
-Anyone of these above (Army/Police/Corporations etc, who don't follow these demands would get either dicked or stop existing. (except if I would were to lose something from that. As long as they would serve me, they would be in the clear).

What do you think of this kind of system ?
Is this fascism ?

Who's the chap furthest to the right?

>maybe gambling
Mosley thought small scale gambling should be legal under the principle of "public service, private liberty" but I have no idea what he thought about someone making fortunes off it, or what Hitler, Mussolini, Codreanu, etc. would think

Leon Degrelle of the Rexist Party of Belgium

capitalism is as flawed as communism
sage

Leon Degree a Walloonian Belgian who founded the Rexist party.

Completely new to me. Better do some reading.

Cheers boys.

Fascism is a meritocracy, that's why they had social programs. To attempt to level the playing field, instead of only the rich getting education and healthcare. Marxist Egalitarianism is not meritocracy because it believes in each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

National-Socialism is not Fascism/ National Socialism in Germany 1925-1945 combined Norse mythology, Darwinism. The Party as such stands for Positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular denomination. It fights the spirit of Jewish materialism. When the Nazis came to power in 1933, their concerns not only laid with the people, but with the animals native to Germany. In 1934, a national hunting law was passed to regulate how many animals could be killed per year, and to establish proper ‘hunting seasons’. These hunting laws have now been applied in most western countries. It is rumored that Adolf Hitler was so opposed to smoking in his later life that he couldn't stand someone lighting up in the same room, and often felt obligated to object to it as a waste of money. Nazi Germany had one of the largest public welfare programs in history, based on the philosophy that all Germans should share a standard of living. While not originally conceived by the Nazis, Hitler was an enthusiastic supporter of the idea and pushed for the largest network of roads to be built across Germany. Established as the first freeway system in the world, the autobahn was a revolutionary feat of engineering that forever changed the way humans travel.

it's right wing socialism: where business elites control the major private companies- while an autocratic ruler works in conjunction with these big business'- while the country's culture shift's into a traditionalist/ultra-nationalist view point.

I found it.
It's called benevolent dictatorship.
That's what I would be doing apperently.

while not technically "fascist" per se, imperial japan had a mix of agrarianism and manufacturing, cars in particular were growing in popularity and the government took advantage, and that's the typical fascist economic model, mix industrial with agrarian

>and someone in the National-Socialist party invented rockets I think.
ballistic missiles, not rockets

The Nazis had great media, concerned with only German tradition and it may have been biased propaganda but at least their cinemas were not filled with foreign lies and garbage that did not remote decency or the nations best interests and were banned. The National-Socialists also had great fashion and scientists.

Fascism: Below are key benefits of fascism. Enhances security: The military plays a vital role in a fascist system since it is required for protecting national security as well as fighting enemies. Most of the nation’s resources are given to the military in spite of domestic problems and policies. Fascism gives more significance to the state in contrast to the citizens’ rights and thus military productivity is a vital state interest. This leads to a better military, thereby increasing security. Promotes patriotism: Fascism is essential concerned with the protection of national agendas. Individual rights normally take second place, while national policies are provided first priority. Since patriotic symbols, flags and slogans can be seen everywhere, fascism encourages patriotism. The citizens will thereby be united so as to eliminate any perceived threat to the state. Limits media: Sometimes media are credited with reporting biased news that causes conflicts amongst the population. In the fascist system, the government has great control over mass media. There are very strict polices placed on media and the government typically does not desire to showcase its conflicts and problems on an international or national forum. This promotes peace in the society. Economic growth: Since fascism involves total authority of the nation with control of major parts of commerce, it can boost economic growth. A better economy benefits the citizens through enhancing their living standards.

Depends. The idea is that strict adherence to any model will eventually backfire as the situation changes, and what matters is the health of the nation. When it benefits you to have a free market you do that. If you need protectionism you do that. In the unlikely event that full communism would be useful you might even adopt that policy. It's about results, not how you get them

>Social programs and workers rights =/= socialism.
They are part of socialism, just like welfare and free schools

Well considering how Hitler wanted to give specifically the German people welfare and oppress the other races and degenerates I would imagine being a German would be pretty fucking awesome.

Based on what Hitler was going for in his book I can deduce that he going for a totalitarian slave state. Oppressing a lower class while keeping desirables in the middle and upper class. This is probably the only situation any type of socialism could work second to a autonomous industrial foundation. I hate socialism but I recognize what situations it could work.

We could have a type of system were anyone has the option and chance to increase their financial situation, fashion, attitude, intellect, diet, mental health and physical state even if they may have a mild social/anxiety/depressive mental disorder or be poor. The option to straighten your act or perish will be their.

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Fascism does not have a specific economic policy but if it did it would be 'whatever works'. Most of the time what works is a mixed economy that tries to reconcile class differences.

It is not really an ideology, not like Marxism or Islamism which have clear goals and clear policies they want to implement. It's more about aligning politics and morality with the laws of nature. Local conditions influence a lot how fascism manifests itself. As an example, if the US became fascist, it would keep the 1st and 2nd Amendments because they are a culturally important thing to the founding stock of America.

*Where, there.

Not really (((press))) tho. At least until we get rid of the (((issue)))

First semi-civil thread I’ve seen in a while. Have yet to have some Eurocuck use the amerimutt meme.
Jesus. Not all Americans are mongrels, and not all euros are Bucked toothed lunatics.

destroy the global financial system and the grip (((they))) have on the media fades to a point where it doesn't matter, no matter what you can get away with printing

That's where the authoritarian side comes in to break the will of those less superior also most of these physical/mental problems would slowly be phased out due to the killing off of the mentally ill and physically weak. After all this is the Nazis we are talking about they weren't very nice to those they didn't like

But for those that naturally made the cut like would probably be pretty comfy.

Facism dont give a fuck about economy or materialist things we are not communist/capitalist apes

There appears to be a good few economic autismos here, anyone able to tell me about the Nazi "vampire economy" and the necessity of conquest for Nazi Germany not to collapse? That's a line I hear a lot.

Of course Facism gives a fuck about economy. They use it in a way that benefit the sovereign nation and the people. Not so much for international corporations

t. never read a word of fascist literature