Just finished this, what does Sup Forums think? Personally I feel that the constant exposition really bogged it down, it could have been a masterpiece if its ideas were conveyed more elegantly. It's still a pretty fascinating and thought provoking show that puts a magnifying glass in-between the dirty couch cushions of humanity.
Also Squealer did nothing wrong.
The lack of good characterization and the needlessly slow pacing make it a chore to watch, even though the ideas are cool
I actually had no problems with how the story was structured and paced, the slow burn mystery stuff was all pretty interesting to me. It's just that the payoffs for these slow parts were delivered in clumsy and expository ways. Like that ridiculous plot device animal in episode 4. I'd normally never let that slide but the story was just interesting enough to continue.
>thought provoking
lol
i don't feel there was too much exposition at all.
It never felt unnecessary or as though it held things up to me.
the exposition (which took the form of narration from the main character, which made it seem more natural and less shoehorned in than a floaty voice of god) itself was usually interesting information
The voice-over was fine, it's just that many times there was exposition in places that really didn't need it. Those last couple of episodes in the cave for example, they were being pursued but they spared quite some time standing around and talking about bugs and shit. Somewhat interesting, but it really sapped away the tension.
Fuck off secondary
Really activates your neurons
It was a really good show, one that doesn't get talked about a lot. I watched it in a house in the woods by myself with no one for miles around on a starlets night, spooky stuff lad
Wow that's pretty cool, not gonna lie the early episodes were pretty spooky. The muted colors were a good choice in that regard.
Masterpiece.
Wow it really inquired me to ponder.
AOTY
Kids on the Slope was AOTY for me that year.
Really faggot?
Loved it. It was a great little down to earth scifi series. Raised some interesting questions about man and what would happen is evolution eventually screws us over from within and how we'd coup with that. The art direction was wonderful especially once they got into the psychic imagination abstract powers stuff toward the middle. It also had a good grasp of human emotion if I recall correctly too I was pretty impressed by especially something Sup Forums tends to not understand human relationships.
>The art direction was wonderful especially once they got into the psychic imagination abstract powers stuff toward the middle
I agree that the ideas were good, but unfortunately the animation often held it back. Some of those psychic explosions looked like they were animated at 6 fps when they should be the most fluid scenes.
>It also had a good grasp of human emotion if I recall correctly too I was pretty impressed by especially something Sup Forums tends to not understand human relationships.
I sympathized with Squealer over the humans almost 100%, I don't know if that's normal or not. Maybe it's because he was by far the most interesting character in the show.
One of my favourites. Probably the most immersed in a world I've ever been.
It was very inconsistent how the education system evidently had a group of teachers who were well accustomed to getting around their behavioural conditioning and able to plot how to murder children who do not show the right behavioural conditioning (e.g. Who Cheat during the games) , but during the ogre arc there wasn't a single person in the village able to come up with an obvious plan like
>have scouts locate the ogre
>tell scouts their job is to report location of ogre so that citizens can be evacuated
>relay location of ogre to Powerful espers
>tell them that the field is full of mole rats and to nuke it all at once
And even the radio operator doesn't need to know the full plan.
You could literally have one person come up with the plan (who might die of guilt afterwards) , and everyone else involved just performs their job unaware that they're being used to kill a human.
I mean how do you have a system where you can hire mole-rats to assassinate people you want killed, and you don't die of guilt, but no one is able to come up with a simple plan to indirectly kill the ogre?
That's a good point, but the way I rationalize it is that they had over a hundred years to devise that system and refine it while the fiend caught them completely off guard. Remember that the adults in that society are brainwashed and sedated since birth so they can't handle snap situations like we could. Plus I think the Council of Education head and other decision makers were already dead at that point.
Directing was kinda ass, story and premise were neat, weak human characters, great rat ones.
It is easy to sympathize with Squealer's plight as it is an easily understood concept: survival and fighting oppression and tyranny. However, his methods, while possibly the only ones that could work, were horrendous and unforgivable.
The real "wake up" call wasn't Squealer, though, but Kiroumaru. It revealed that all of this was inevitable. If not the Robbery Fly colony and Squealer using information gained from the False Minoshiro, then the most "loyal" and effective of the bakenezumi clans would have done it a different way.
The humans completely made their bed, which is the point of Shinsekai Yori. The humans aren't supposed to be the heroes, but you have hope, through Saki, that they'll learn from their mistakes going forward. It'll take time, though, as the rest of the humans are just as arrogant, paranoid, and soulless as they were before. They're also now in a post 9/11-esque fear factor, which might make them even worse.
Squealer and the molerats are what cantus users turned humanity into in order to be able to use their powers against them. To not sympathize with Squealer is to miss the entire point of the story.
I don't recall if they go into a very lengthy detail of how the Education Department was able to do what they could do without the Death Feedback. Maybe indirectly killing someone with the Impure Cats doesn't trigger it, or just makes them really sick for a while.
I don't recall when that happened, but I think it was supposed to be well before the current crop of humanity was in power.
Nah. Squeezer wasn't a villain but he didn't have the moral high ground either.
His people were offered a degree of autonomy in exchange for occasional labour. So they were basically offered a choice between being a vassal state who offered tribute and death.
Squealer however only offered death to the humans .
So he did not have the moral high ground. He was pursuing the interests of his people without regard for the lives of any beings outside that group the same way the human society was.
It became a fight between two self-interested parties and the humans won.
Everyone dropped it at the GAY scene. It was pretty praised here until that one scene. Then the threads died off.
I found Squealer to be a fascinating character study. When a caste or a class is repressed and they find a way to get the upper hand on their masters they will generally take it if its a safe bet.
I feel like crux of the story isn't about right or wrong. Civilization has crumbled and all that is left is some human council struggling to preserve order among a hand full of what amounts to potentially uncontrollable human gods. They are all trying to merely survive or better they're station and Squealer is no exception especially since he literally had nothing to lose with his gambit, but at the end of the day he LOST. History remembers the victors and the victors control what is remembered. What we're left with is just a cycle that will likely go on forever until the rats or the "humans" wipe the other one out. War is a never ending thing one when you have a side that is completely undercut and basically just slaves with no room for growth or acceptance into normal society. Another reason why I feel like Sup Forums really got behind Squealer and the monster rats.
Cantus users are not humanity, that's like claiming humans are neanderthals. Cantus users killed off most of humanity, and the last remaining pockets got turned into molerats so that the killswitch wouldn't activate and they couldn't take revenge against cantus users. That's why Squealer exclaims he's a human at the end.
The whole point of SSY is to illustrate the fact that we sympathize with people that look like us, and are able to unspeakable things to things that we don't think are human or look like us, regardless of who is wrong or right.
Sympathizing with Cantus users means not understand what the entire show was about.
Impure cats seem like quite a specialised ceremony which ibe could imagine being detached from the idea of conspiring to kill.
However it is revealed that at other times humans have hired mole rats for assassinations, which clearly is indirectly conspiring to kill , so at the very least the village leader should have thought of that rather than being a dumb , useless Cunt .
Instead all she said was
>"oh no, so it is true there is an ogre. Then run, it is hopeless. The last time we killed an ogre was by pure chance so it's impossible for us to do it again. All is lost "
Ffs
>watch it with friends while airing
>gets really gay
>everyone drops it except me
>no one else finishes it until this year
Yakomaru did nothing wrong.
You're obviously meant to see that perspective and have it occur to you, but there is no obligation to think that squeeler was the good guy in comparison to humanity because that was not the case. See
True, but what I more meant to say is that I was far more invested in Squealer as a character than any human in the show so all those atrocities he committed against the cantus users didn't even phase me. Basically, I wasn't emotionally invested in any human character because they were all so boring but I didn't mind too much because it was about humanity as a whole.
The fact that you keep referring to Cantus Users as humanity means that you still don't understand and grasp the fact that just because Cantus Users walk like us and look like us, doesn't make them us. Humans/Humanity are molerats.
>I don't recall when that happened,
I think it happened about half way through when the girl MC read something in a text she shouldn't have or made a connection psychicly early on, but I do remember the last few episodes really try to ram it home. i mean squealer literally says during his trial "WE ARE HUMAN." And during the final episode the adult MC that grants squealer a long running death reinterates it again to make it clear the audience at home that the rat men are indeed the normal populace mutated so that they could be controlled and killed since by that point in time the psychics were changed genetically that it would kill themselves if they harmed/killed anything remotely human like.
Which also plays into a common theme humans play in order to beat/kill/defeat another side. They train their soldier to dehumanize the enemy. Your enemy is a savage. Your enemy is an animal. If your army sees them above the enemy in any way you get an advantage over your opponent.
If you think those of us mature enough to continue watching the series beyond that didn't talk about it after it completed you need to lurk more.
I don't think this is quite right, as Saki and her group are supposed to represent the remaining humanity within the super-humans. They were always supposed to be the contrast to the other psychics that we see through the snippets of history leading up to the "current" crop. I would also argue that the loss of humanity is more figurative than literal, as the "current" psychics, despite being "better" than their predecessors, have done horrible things to their own progeny, nevermind the world around them. They view this as a necessary evil, which, considering the alternatives, makes some bit of rational sense.
The akki is a completely different animal, even by their own standards. Considering that Messiah wasn't actually an akki is something they didn't know, and the secret to Messiah was only figured out at the very end. Tomiko, who is the only one with a memory of a true akki, knows how terrifying they are. If I recall, they tried to sic the Impure Cats on him, though what happened to them was never seen. Their alternative was hiring bakenezumi assas... oh oops.
They were stuck. Their worst case scenario was finally being played out in front of them, and they had no answers. That was kind of the point: they NEVER learned to actually deal with their greatest fear, they just tried to suppress it. They backed themselves into a corner of Death Feedbacks, paranoia, and excessive tyranny, all out of fear and self preservation. It backfired, badly.
The death feedback relies on seeing the victim die. This is also why they are conditioned to believe their powers can only affect things they can see (and also why kids with poor eyesight are culled, like Saki's sister). This isn't true, but they had built up an entire system to find and prevent ogres. They never thought they'd have to come up with a way to kill an ogre.
Saki and her group were a literary device used to give the reader a reference point. That's why they were flat and uninteresting. The goal wasn't to create believable characters, it was to create a lens in which to view the world they live in.
>I think it happened about half way through when the girl MC read something in a text she shouldn't have or made a connection psychicly early on, but I do remember the last few episodes really try to ram it home. i mean squealer literally says during his trial "WE ARE HUMAN."
Oh, that isn't what I meant. I meant we don't know at what point in history the mutation of the bakenezumi occurred. It is implied to have happened before this current generation of psychics, though, as the bakenezumi have had their colonies around for a very long time.
One of the historical psychic "gods" casually killed humans who couldn't keep praising him. Being turned into mutant mole rats almost seems humane.
Hahaha I call the humans humans to wind up vermin sympathisers.
Yes obviously I recognise they both possess Homo sapien DNA and have the essential mental faculties (language, sense of self, conscience, culture, etc) we deem to be consitituting "humanity" as a mental idea. The cantus users have all these things as well so your position is pretty dumb.
But that does not change anything I said so how about having another go where you try to tackle the arguments I put forward rather than trying to find an irrelevant "gotcha"?
I'm not sure this was stated anywhere. It has been a while since I've watched the anime, though. I recall someone saying that they couldn't even think about killing someone without the Attack Suppression kicking in, though.
Saki is the only one who is the audience's viewpoint, the rest are not, and they are not flat and uninteresting. For the most part, they lived within the society presented to them without questioning it, until they started to have things happen to them that forced them to question things. The Ethics Committee suppressed their memories, though, before they could do anything about it.
In the end, though, all of them (save Saki and Satoru) died because they wanted to get out of this cycle of death and fear. They rejected their society, with Saki being almost given the keys to changing the future at the end.
I stand by my point that the historical views of the psychics were intentional. It was to show what a truly inhuman psychic is capable of, while simultaneously showing that these current psychics are inhuman in a different way.
Except of course they did have other ways to kill the ogre.
The weakness of the writing is expecting us to buy the fact that senior humans planned to get around the death feedback on a regular basis by killing indirectly.
But then when it's an ogre they want to kill rather than a naughty child or runaway or subversive they want to kill they never think "ok guys, how can we kill this thing indirectly? " they just forget that they kill people indirectly on a regular basis and just say "oh no, how do we kill something human?! We have death feedback so we cannot kill humans! It's impossible, let's flee!! It's hopeless!"
You put forward the argument that there's no obligation to think Squealer is a good guy. The 'moral' of Shinsekai Yori is that we can do unthinkable things to the people we consider others. I simply reminded you that Squealer is closer you and me than Cantus users are.
If you cannot sympathize with the leader of the human race fighting to exterminate a foreign species that committed the near genocide of humanity, and horribly deformed the remaining population, you either don't understand that's what happened, or you're completely unable to sympathize with something that doesn't look like you.
Okay, but, again, what techniques and tactics did they use to kill the children? They couldn't do it themselves, so they used other methods. The Impure Cats and the bakenezumi (to an extent). One of those things was in open rebellion against them and the other... we don't actually see what happens there. Supposedly someone was going to unleash them all but we don't know if they succeeded or not. It was all irrelevant as the Messiah survived everything until the Tokyo showdown.
It is also possible that, considering the nightmare scenario, logical and rational thinking was just not possible. Fear, true fear, prevents one from thinking critically and puts a strong sense of self preservation into your being. Hell, for these psychics, who have little to no reason to fear ANYTHING, finally being faced with something they had to fear might have made things worse.
It was supposed to be a reminder that they were actually humans: flawed and scared. Like finding out there's a terrorist nuclear bomb in a building and you're on the 40th floor. What do you do?
It was a fascinating look at what happens when even gods face a godslayer: they just are cowardly humans after all.
One interesting I noticed was how indifferent Asahina was to Kidoumaru's noble sacrifice. He pretty much completely ignored him and congratulated Saki on a job well done. Even after all he went through he didn't see Queerats as beings worthy of compassion until he found out the truth of their origins. So honestly this fellow right here is probably correct.
The manga is a masterpiece.
More like Shitsekai.
Humans evolving into some rats are pretty bullshit story, and episodes with this gay boy who turn into the dark lord or something is shit too. Otherwise it was pretty decent show.
How is squealer closer to me than cantus users are?
Which society would you fit in more and feel more closeness abd familiarity with ? Cantus society or mole rat society?
Are you a hive animal? Do you live in a matriarchal society where everyone has the same number?
Do you pair-bond with your mate?
Do you raise children in a family unit?
Do you live underground?
Do you want to mate with mole rats or with beings who look like saki?
Consuder how your answer to all the above questions will be the opposite from a mole rats.
So no, obviously you have more in common with a cantus user.
but anyway that still doesn't change the fact that squeeler did not have the moral high ground because he responded to a choice of being a vassal state or death with trying to exterminate the humans and so he pursued the self interest of his people with no regard to the life of those outside his people the same way humans did making it a life and death struggle between two self-interested parties that humans won.
If you lack the ability to see that then you're basically dumb.
Also it's dumb to say that the mole rats are human but not cantus users. Obviously they both have the essential qualities we consider belonging to "humanity". They're both humans.
>Do you...
If I was one of the remaining groups of humans unfortunate enough to have been caught and mutated by the Cantus Users so they could kill us without the feedback kicking in, I wouldn't have had much choice in the matter now would I?
They couldn't do it themselves while knowing that it was their own body or their own cantus powers doing it.
They had a whole night or maybe 2 , can't remember, fighting off the mole rat invasion when ogre reports started coming in so it's just weak that in the hours that the elders had at their central command none of them even tried to think how to kill the ogre indirectly when many of them had killed people indirectly many times before .
Like if you possess the problem solving abilities to think "hey what if we train some cats to kill people by sent then steal some of their clothing and let the cats smell it" but it's impossible to even conceive that you could use cantus powers to kill a human without realising that you were killing a human.
I mean it doesn't even need to be as complicated as the scouting radio plan.
They've been shown to have enough resistance to death feedback that you could literally just have someone standing behind a blindfolded esper, and one person shout "now" when they see the ogre , then the blindfolded person knows that's the signal to blast as much fire in front of him as possible .
There are like a dozen different ways to do it.
It doesn't ruin the series but it is quite weak
>Everyone dropped it at the GAY scene.
Great series.
Great filter.
People who can't handle some gayness in a fictional society that intentionally manipulates the education of their children to extremes, shouldn't watch fiction.
So you're basically admitting that in your current state (as a normal human) you are unable to feel familiarity with mole rat society and culture so you as a normal human have more in common with and familiarity with cantus users
>society that intentionally manipulates the education of their children to extremes
hmm
>They've been shown to have enough resistance to death feedback that you could literally just have someone standing behind a blindfolded esper, and one person shout "now" when they see the ogre , then the blindfolded person knows that's the signal to blast as much fire in front of him as possible .
They can't do that. They have to be looking at the target of their power and visualize what they want to happen. This is drilled into them from day one of training so that they *cannot* use their powers to get around death feedback, They were brainwashed.
You're trying to think of ways they can kill humans without triggering death feedback. But remember, almost every rule in the Cantus users' society is to prevent these work-arounds.
Also, the indirect methods they came up with were only useful against children who hadn't gotten the hang of their powers. Mamoru (spelling?) showed what happens when they use a cat on an older kid. The ogre would've slaughtered the cat.
>you are unable to feel familiarity with mole rat society and culture so you as a normal human have more in common with and familiarity with cantus users
Just because I'm unable to feel familiarity with their society/culture/appearance, doesn't make them any less human than me. I don't understand why Indians don't poo in the loo, but that doesn't make them less than human outside of Sup Forums.
If you refuse to acknowledge molerats as humanity, then you're literally siding with a group of people who for all intents and purposes have wiped humanity off the face of the earth. If you're still siding with Cantus Users because they have a similar culture and society, the entire point of SSY has been lost on you.
As an aside, the last time I checked, culling children that didn't meet certain requirements and an aggressive state-run conditioning program of the others wasn't a part of our society either.
>Some of those psychic explosions looked like they were animated at 6 fps
Must've been Jun Arai's animation. He did animation for some of the episodes and was known for having a rather controversial shading-heavy style with awkward movement. He's no longer working in the industry though.
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Cantus is clearly the greatest discovery ever. Beyond the obvious clumsy attacks like flames, it can manipulate matter on the molecular or atomic level, resulting in direct DNA manipulation, immortality, and who knows what else.
The scientists are attempting to direct cantus users evolution so that they are in control of the cantus power completely.
This is definitely a worthy goal.
Why they chose to keep regular humans around, even twisted in the form of bakenezumi, is a bit of a mystery. It would have been safer and probably more humane to simply exterminate them. Perhaps they kept them as a backup. Ie. in the event that cantus could not be controlled or lead to extinction, the bakenezumi could continue "human" civilization.
The only choice is, do you think the advance that cantus clearly represents, is worth it despite the tyrannical society needed to harness its power?
I can empathize with both. But I think cantus is worth it.
Why didn't the non cantus people just shoot the cantus cunts
And why was there some samurai shit in an episode
This meme again? No, the molerats weren't free in the slightest. Let me remind you that
>the "humans" have a specialized squad to exterminate rat people
>"humans" can kill them at will with absolutely no consequences, no social repercussion, nothing
>"humans" influenced the rats people politics whenever they want, however they wany
>"humans prevent rat people from learning technologies and evolving as a species
and et cetera I still have plenty to say.
Just because the cantus users aren't blatantly villainy doesn't mean they're the one with moral high ground either. They never did actually.
>senior humans planned
They didn't plan anything, as far as I can tell it's a cultural mechanism that they learned and grew up in. They might have been separately conditioned to not think of killing children with cats as killing humans or indoctrinated in any other way to keep that system that maintains "purity" in place from generation to generation.
Not to mention the fact that cantus users have likely devolved in intelligence due to having no need of it to survive, as they are ridiculously strong and have a society that doesn't require smarts for individuals to function. They are indoctrinating not because they were smart enough to come up with the system, but because they themselves and their grandparents and their grandparents grandparents grew up in this system.
Yes that's what I'm talking about. The shading looked cool but the framerate was just jarringly low and it looked awkward.
>doesn't make them any less human than me.
what it means is that as a normal human, cantus users are closer to you than molerats are.
so if you consider molerats to be humans then you ought to consider cantus users to be human too.
both mole rats and cantus users have homosapiens dna, have self-consciousness, language, culture, conscience etc. and the other faculties we consider necessary parts of "humanity" so obviously they're all humans .
I don't know why you're trying ot argue that cantus users are not human. you don't seem to offer any argument except for the fact that they killed most of the other humans, which isn't a good argument at all because lets day russia managed to launch all of the thousands of nukes at once at all urban centres and wipe out nearly all of the other humans on earth. russians would still be humans.
So you're making yourself sound like a moron right now.
you probably are well aware that you've been proven wrong but are just posting out of butthurt.
and as I said I'm not saying either side has the moral high ground I already showed that.
as an aside, brutal practices like child sacrifice or killingoutsiders are less foreign to the cultures of homosapiens than say living in a society that's 99% male where you all serve one female who was all your mother. that difference would lead to a far more fundamental difference in behaviour and experience than simply a cruel child-culling practice. It's imaginable for there to be a cult-like society on planet earth that kills naughty children and dissenters but unimaginable for there to be a society like the mole rats serving their queen mother, it could literally only happen in another species (unless by magical anime science they do some hocus pocus taht changes the mole rat dna but keeps it compatible and regocnisable as human dna)
>aren't blatantly villainy doesn't mean they're the one with moral high ground either. They never did actually.
well yes, like I said
>It became a fight between two self-interested parties and the humans won.
>muh showdonttell
Fuck off. The exposition in SSY is always given at times where it makes sense and is the most efficient way to convey that information to the viewer, leaving plenty of time for the actual story to take place. This whole "exposition is literally hitler and ruins everything it touches" philosophy is one of the reasons why so many shows end up being rushed messes without properly structured stories or conclusions these days. Writers are so obsessed with coming up with convoluted, pointless ways to convey information that they have to sacrifice the quality of the story overall. SSY using exposition well for efficiency is a very welcome break from that.
When I was a kid, the types of stories where there's clearly something going on, but the adults or people of authority in the story completely ignore it have always terrified me. Think along the lines of episodes of Goosebumps where there's an alien abducting people or some shit but the adults just keep telling the kids "It's your imagination, go to bed."
SSY brought back that fear for me in a big way, with how unsettling everything going on is, but our child protagonists are only ever told not to worry about it. Then the fact that it draws it out over like 10 years in story, until the point where those kids start to question what is real or not, makes it even worse. It's the only time an anime has actually genuinely scared me.
Not the guy you've been arguing with, but I disagree that we are more similar to cantus users than to molerats. Cantus users have something that no human has, something that ended up defining their entire culture and life view. Queerrats are, in terms of how they interact with the world, much more similar to myself. They can walk, talk, manipulate things with their hands and that's about it. Cantus users can do all that, but they can also do just about anything with their cantus. They have entirely different capabilities to myself. They are physically different in that their body can do things mine can't, while molerats might look superficially different but have many of the same capabilities.
I agree. I do think teaching show don't tell as a concept to writers is pretty desirable, but people acting like it's a hard rule and not just a rule of thumb to not get endlessly tedious exposition dumps in every story annoys me to no end.
I get that it's an important part of the story and I didn't exactly hate it, but I didn't like the whole mole-rat stuff too much.
The moments in the show I found most interesting were those where the society of cantus users and the struggle with their godlike power was explored.
I like the anime as is, but I think I would've preferred a story that focused more on one character's life in the society than a story of "epic scale" about humans and molerats as a whole.
Not the original user either, but as an aside to what this guy said we don't unconsciously damage the environment to the point of inhabitable by simply EXISTING. I would also like to point out that by being vastly superior to normal humans, they don't follow our moral codes either. They might think similar to humans but on the most basic level they're fundamentally different from us because of their differences with us. Don't forget years of tyrannies and how they reduced humans ro molerat.
And are you seriously defending killing children as a "normal" thing and insinuating that if the mole people also breed like humans, they would do the same? Wake the fuck up, the act of culling children is objectively wrong and isn't practiced as extensively by normal humans being in real life as cantus users in SSY, where it became a regulated system so the users wouldn't kill themselves over because of problems when a child reach adulthood.
What the difference between manga, anime and novel besides new characters? I don't remember this conclusion in anime
Manga has fappable yuri.
cantus is a less fundamentally important difference.
kids grow up without cantus until the age of 9 or whatever, and then go most of their life without using it unless they become a scout or enforcer or something since they're not allowed to use it much for their own whims.
let's say you were suddenly dropped into the human village as an adult and somehow one of the elders vouched for you so you did not need to have your cantus tested.
You could very easily get a job as a cook or a researcher or something where you never had to use your cantus and assimilate to their society without too much difficulty.
You'd be able to find a mate amongst them, find that mate desirable, form a nuclear family together, live fundamentally pretty similar life to how you are now. having to deal with the fact that teachers could kill your kids at will would be difficult, but basically there have been recorded human cults where similar things happened e.g. cults and villages where the leaders are able to rape your kids at will, cults where dissenters and their families are deemed impure and demonic and so killed before they and spread their taint.
now let's say you get dropped into queerat nest and squeeler told everyone that you were cool and to include you.
How would you find joining their society?
You'd have to live underground, something you are neither physiologically nor psychologically prepared for. You would not be able to find a mate due to the case system presumably meaning only a few males per generation get to mate with the queen. you would not be able to start a family, infact the idea of people having different families would be entirely foreign to everyone around you. no human society that has ever existed has been structured that way. in a nest, everyone has the same mother. even if there were queerat females you could start a family with, you'd never want to because you'd find them physically repulsive.
You just skipped out these
>Cantus kids need to be culled to pick out which one is safe and which one is potentially dangerous
>extremely unstable when theh were kids
>even adults' mind are being controlled too, to a certain degree except for headhoncho of the village
>cantus users unconsciously leak their power to the world and corrupt it
>literally can't control their own power
>there are also shitton of other regulations placing on them to restrict their power too, most obviously is the trigger of instant dead when kill other human looking being
If you were to place a cantus kid into a normal society, 99% he would become a time bomb waiting to explode.
Of course, we can't live like queerrats either but that's not the point anyway. When we're saying how queerats are closer to human than cantus users, we don't talk about biological status but about how we perceive the world, our morals and value system.
It was decent, but there were so many flaws in how the show proceeded it was hard to find their struggle believable.
For a show centering around how the society was built it sure was poorly constructed.
don't know what Sup Forums thinks but here's what I think
>it's bad
>narration in flashback means there is no tension as the MC can't die
>direction is overall shoddy
>character designs are bad
>it doesn't take advantage of being in a visual medium
>the twists are obvious
>specifically the kid killing and queerats is people
>the exposition dump minoshiru is stupid
>the gay shit bad because it is an asspull
>MC and eventual karma demon boy are the only foreshadowed couple and the time skip to both pining for each other is shit pacing
>furthermore why would a society with a small self pruning population risk the fact that teens might want to stay gay and not continue the population
>and how come they can strictly program gayness into the brain for 14-18 to prevent pregnancies, angst, fighting, etc. yet they can't program it so karma demons don't happen
>it would make sense in such a society to pair off kids in heterosexual couples early on, would have the same effect, and bonobos aren't only gay or even monogamous as depicted you stupid fucks
>that the psychics even can give birth to non-psychics given the insane amount of genetic modification present is stupid
before I get you just hate the gays shit
Ouran is one of my favorite shows and I think Genshiken Nidaime is alright
I'm mainly just pissed that a combination of some of my favorite genres: psychics and post-post-apocalyptic civilizations is such shit
tl;dr
faggot gets excitable
> Just finished this
Too late man!
A great one, surely it's not a perfect one but I'll be glad to see more anime like this.
I think the biggest mistake is switching to Saki's only perspective after the beginning, cutting some world-building parts that would have been greatly interesting, and some parts of the voice-over (like the end of the 2nd episode, I watched all the series expecting Maria going berserk, and it clearly was a fake try to keep up the tension).
BTW Squealer did one wrong thing: not killing that little brats the first time he had a chance to do it
I really like this show, it turns up in the last 2 arcs but all the previous arcs were pivotal in advancing the plot. This show would easily be a 9/10 if the animation was updated or redone and I think it deserves more cedit than it receives