Can a woman soldier carry the same loads as male ones? How big of a difference is it...

Can a woman soldier carry the same loads as male ones? How big of a difference is it? Can't we just give them the lighter loads if they don't have the muscles to? Or maybe put them in roles where you do not need to carry as much as an infantry soldier. That'd give the recruiting pool a little boost.

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It'd give the recruiting pool a boost if we didn't have to deal with female bullshit while on the job.

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>load

what is that gif from?

>Or maybe put them in roles where you do not need to carry as much as an infantry soldier.
No, fuck off. Do you think the non-frontline units need women fucking their shit up either?

At least 40% if not more. Some studies claim that the female upper body strenght is 60% lower than male.

But take 40% difference just to be safe. If you can expect a male to carry 50lbs of gear expect a woman to carry 40% less which is 30 lbs

women are physically weaker than men in general. If she can (no pun intended) carry her own weight, then she's alright. But the military, at least the infantry and such, isnt a place where there can be physical accomodations.

Why is biology so unfair?

Either way women are weaker and slower than men which makes them less competent soliders.

If body strenght does not matter at all then just employ 60 year old guys with dad bodies instead of women.

You will still have more reliable soliders as men are less cowardly than women.

BIOLOGY IS RAYCISS AND SEXIST

Men and women are meant to be different.

>Can a woman soldier carry the same loads as male ones?
No.
>how big of a difference is it? Can't we just give them the lighter loads if they don't have the muscles to?
It's big enough to be noticeable among all of them. No. They carry the same as everyone else or they are a detriment.
> Or maybe put them in roles where you do not need to carry as much as an infantry soldier.
We tried that and they cried out for equality. If they want to be equal than they will carry equal the weight.

We need to make standards higher, not lower. The mil has a real problem with moral and retention right now and shit standards for fellow soldiers is part of the problem.

Women suck at working as teams as well.

Women have it better for the most part.

In the past you would be better off as a weak woman than a man forced to fight to death. If your men lost the battle you would probably be spared and used as a sex slave instead of being brutally murdered

Ideally they should be in the kitchen carrying a different type of load

kek

Make the draft mandatory for women as well

Allowing women to do these jobs is nothing but feminist garbage.

A 41 year old man gets fired from an armed security job in my country due to his age and a 20 something skinny weak female is employed instead of him.

We both know that in fitness test the man would have beaten the woman but he is "too old for the job"

Somehow we drop all our standards when women join a male profession

>We tried that and they cried out for equality. If they want to be equal than they will carry equal the weight.

But women are not equal to men. I cringe so hard when i see female firefighters who based on their size and mass could never carry a man like me to safety

>Can a woman soldier carry the same loads as male ones?

How the fuck is this even a question?

And as a female you are psychologically better equipped than a man to forget your previous family and become loyal to the ones that killed them.

the way you put it, women sound like nothing but trouble user

>loyal

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Often times they carry more loads than men.

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stop it you're killing me

men and women in aggregate select for different characteristics.

unfortunately while women are capable of thinking , and feeling the same as men. they are not however able to carry as much statistically. that said there are plenty of women stronger than plenty of men. just not the majority.

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>Can a woman soldier carry the same loads

All depends on how tight she is.

Joking aside, if you really wanna strength train a female soldier, just strap a travois to her and have her drag the unit's shit everywhere. Otherwise you'll end up with a dependapotamus.

Actually women's lizard like hypergamous brains are unable to feel emotions on the same level as men

what about a woman's lizard? I think women should be allowed to own lizards. what are you saying user?

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>The objectively most egalitarian thing to do is open up availability of those roles to women, but hold them to the exact same standard
>They can't pass the same standards men do as often
>"The system is sexist and unfair to women."

Imagine if the military said "You're black, so you don't have to score as highly on tests because we don't expect you to do as well." There'd be an absolute shitstorm. But because it's women it's okay to give them special standards and lower how well they have to do.

Got me there. Well, you know what I mean.

blacks are as smart as whites though
it's their upbringings that are bad, poor families and discrimination leads to poor test taking abilities.

They can carry several male loads.

Sexual dimorphism.

Doesn't change the fact that on average they score lower. Just like the average woman is weaker than the average man.

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Even rich Africans brought up in their native lands with European style schoolings still score lower on IQ tests than Europeans.

It's funny that people pretend evolution somehow doesn't exist between races of homo sapiens even when they'll admit it does for dogs/cats (asking them about race-specific genetic conditions is always fun). Or they admit evolution exists between races, but pretend that the brain was somehow spared from adaptation.

While objectively true, it's also true that you won't ever find a scholar in the infantry.

I love that pic. Just super sayin'.

Lmao, have a (You)

cute attempt at de-escalation, but the issue is there are morphological differences between the male and female brain. We literally experience life differently, from not just a hormonal perspective, but the very cognative mechanics in which we experience the world.

This is not to say a woman cannot be a peer, but they are readily groomed to be vapid sluts who are fascinated with makeup and trendy news instead of mechanical engineering problems. However if you have a competent woman, you can give her the guidance to be a success.

Nope. The ones that shoot testosterone into their thighs just hit the bodybuilding circuit or get jobs lumberjacking in Canada. The men almost always wind up carrying most of their burden in training.

>but the issue is there are morphological differences between the male and female brain.
well no fucking shit.
>We literally experience life differently, from not just a hormonal perspective, but the very cognitive mechanics in which we experience the world.
literally everyone ever experiences the world different. try harder.

>This is not to say a woman cannot be a peer, but they are readily groomed to be vapid sluts.
Im sorry you think that user, i have never thought about this about my friends my lady friends dont make me jealous when they fuck other dudes.

>However if you have a competent woman, you can give her the guidance to be a success.

damn son is that condescending a woman can be successful without your interference.

>inb4 i get called a cuck. i have a gf m80

turns out not spurging out about woman and treating them with the same respect you do men is a winning formula.

>also learn to not unrequited love every single woman in your life.

Thanks! The faces do awfully remind me of Nagel's women portraits.

No point. Women are shit at pretty much anything involving the military. Law enforcement as well. It's just a massive waste of time trying to make them useful there in order to build up their self esteem. As soon as that shit is put on the line it will all go out the window anyway.

You might need to carry the dude next to you if he catches a bullet and you need to get out of dodge. You trust a woman to drag a 200lb soldier plus body armor and gear plus whatever she has on?

How would one go about rectifying this problem in Western society in first-world countries such as the US?

Recognize sexual dimorphism's existence and accept it as natural instead of trying to circumvent it by any and all means possible.

they perform just fine in the police

I sure as hell dont. But I'm junior enlisted. The one actually in these situations, so why the fuck should my opinions matter right?

It would be very difficult to repeal existing laws which were passed in the sake of "progress" though

>women in the military
It worked in starship troopers

Well could we use them as pilots, or tank crews?
>inb4 women cant drive

Quite simply, without chemical assistance (steroids), no.
Women simply dont build muscle as quickly, in general, due to lower testosterone compared to men.

They'd have to work twice as hard just to be at an even level.

I think they'd excel at different roles, however.

It might even be advantageous to use them as light infantry and scouts, as its statistically proven your average soldier will hesitate in shooting a woman. Its just instinct. That gives them a valuable second to fire the first shot.

Play to the strengths of a female soldier, dont try to cookie cutter them into a role purpose built for males.
Its just common sense.

or as submariners

>sub explodes

>light infantry and scouts

Confirmed for knowing nothing about what those jobs entail and having an invalid opinion

Short answer no, long answer NOOOOOOO.
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That show was pretty funny. Shame they didn't renew it.

Women that can, can
Women that can not, can not
If they're hell bent on getting women into the army, standards should be maintained

This, as long as someone can put the fuck out at the same level as is expected of others, why not?

If there is an actual war we got to fight, they'll all just get knocked up to get out of their responsibilities and collect welfare bux

Women that fit that criteria are fugly as fuck and usually lesbians anyway
Anyone that can't perform to standards should not be let through

Twice the injury rate is a pretty good reason.

Even if they pass the same test women are a liability in the field.

>If they're hell bent on getting women into the army, standards should be maintained
They will always cave with standards, if they uphold the standards, people will cry sexism due to most women washing out in basic. Don't you know in CY+2 it is sexist to state simple anatomical facts?

It was shown in marine trials that mixed gender units are less effective and have higher injury rates than all male units. Women in combat is only going to get people killed. Plus you'll see one hell of a PR nightmare when we get involved in the next backwater shithole and a female soldier gets captured, raped and killed on video and it gets released by whatever flavor of the week dune coon group

Because even with autism like "just give them lighter packs" they are still not going to be able to drag a fallen male comrade with his own pack strapped to him out of the line of fire and they'll both get merced.

Don't know why the fuck it's some feminist cause to get women PTSD, missing limbs and killed in combat roles but that's liberals for you.

Maybe we can give them Sailor Moon uniforms as well?

>Can a woman soldier carry the same loads as male ones?

I can speak with authority on this subject, I've put more than a few loads onto female soliders.

This thread is about military performance, not the politics of it. It shouldn't have been moved from /k/.

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shocking

I'm sure there are a few women at least who can do the job, and so they should be the ones doing it.

A woman's body is made to carry a child.

Women are capable of carrying more load than men.

Basically this

The majority of times that women have mattered in combat they fought mounted. The nomadic tribes which formed the basis of the Amazon legend fought mounted. The same with the female samurai. And Joan of Arc. And the conqistador MarĂ­a de Estrada.

Pic related is a best case scenario for women in the military

Samurai daughters mostly stayed in the castles to defend them and it is questioned whether the women show allegedly inspired the legend of the amazons ever even fought since none of them were buried with the armor and other symbolic devices that the male warriors were buried with. The say the women buried with weapons and horses were probably done so because of status

Those percentage difference are for comparing men and women at the same body weight. Don't forget that the average man weighs substantially more than the average woman.

As a police officer who has worked with more than a few of them I'd like to say that you're full of shit and no, they don't perform "just fine". A female partner is a future ass beating in waiting for you. You're talking about a person who has "verbal commands" and then "deadly force" with very little to work with in between those two.

I'll do just about anything to avoid having a female in my shop.

never served
can only imagine what it's like living on top of each other - even brothers - in cramped quarters for long periods of time.

can you give us the top few problems?
in the field/at base in war/at base in peace?

No, but women can certainly take more loads than men.

Why? Women soldiers can now sit in a control room flying a drone that blows you the fuck up. Why do they need to carry the same load as infantry men when technology is making things easier? We don't exactly need women Seals or infantry men, but we do need more technicians and women can excel in that pretty easily.

And if we need pillbox soldiers, you don't exactly need to carry 200lbs sitting in a fortified position either.

Women have absolutely no place in ground combat roles. Almost everybody that's served with women will tell you this. There are dozens of compelling, DOCUMENTED/SCIENTIFIC reasons WHY they shouldn't be in ground combat roles, and absolutely no reasons why they SHOULD be apart from "muh equality". Well, news flash, we're not equal and the military isn't the place for social experiments.

Men have a natural steroid factory hanging between their legs. They're born to be soldiers.

>Can't we just give them the lighter loads if they don't have the muscles to?

Yeah the battle will pause if she gets a booboo too.

Don't worry, from what I hear about it girls in the military give literally everyone a turn.

>A flood of post-hookup fake rape accusations

Given the difference in video game skill between men and women, who do you think will make a better drone pilot on average?

I hope all armies will have a large amount of female soldiers in the future so taking POWs will be more rewarding.

>Can a woman soldier carry the same loads as
male ones?
Given they have the same training, no.
>How big of a difference is it?
Depends on the soldier, but somewhere between 50 and 150. Possibly beyond that.
>Can't we just give them the lighter loads if
they don't have the muscles to?
No, we aren't going to make the military less effective to accommodate women.
>Or maybe put them in roles where you do not
need to carry as much as an infantry soldier
You mean like nurses? That's what we've been doing.

Why wouldn't you want more comfort women on the battlefield with you? Fox hole porn would go up tremendously.

>Women are shit at pretty much anything involving the military. Law enforcement as well.

You're a dumbass.

they perform just fine in the police

What this user says. A lot of women do a damn good job as military police.
Spent 2+ decades as a military police enlisted/officer.

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>men posting themselves in dresses have been up for over 24 hours

They need to carry the same requirements as men because they might HAVE to carry that man
Getting real sick of you CoD simulation faggots

It's a show based on his style of painting. I miss that show. I think it only got one season

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