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That knight is going to be wrecked by that dragon.
do you even Dark Souls?
> Nationalism/Nazism and communism are two heads of the same dragon
my sides
PETERSON MEME BTFO BY 19yr OLD GIRL
>ad-hominems and non-sequitirs
yeah totally btfo. link to her patreon?
>what is collectivism
I come bring family
Good luck convincing kids to throw away their weed, iPhones, and rap music for a racial identity they didn't even know they had until you told them.
Yeah, but I play a sorcerer and I stay back.
sage lefty pol slide threads and drop red pills
A sense of belonging and group duty, meaning beyond ones selfish ego and the history of our evolution.
it's the only way or this feud will just rear it's head again at some point in the future
>selfish ego
there is nothing selfish about self-determination
even if that was true it doesn't change my mind or alter my beliefs, so what?
Self-determination is a meme. There is no equality and you have no rights. The redpilled man absolved of egotism doesn't care for the ignorant wailing of "muh rights" and focuses instead on his duties and his purpose towards a greater cause than himself.
>magicuck
>you have no rights
there are no duties and purposes towards a greater cause
see? I can do it too
Individualism can only work in an ethnostate, you'll never get racial groups with such distinct differences to not work against each other, that's why whites are being trodden underfoot. Ethno-nationalism is on the rise, I think we'll see a large resurgence.
>beta individualist
She obviously has no clue what ' individualism' is. It's what comes after one transcends their group identity for the sake of confronting the anomalous, that which the group identity is unaccustomed to and ignores at its own peril. Individualism DOES NOT mean abandonment of the external world altogether. Rather, it is the bringing together of opposites, that is, the Self and the Social Body. (source: jacobi jolande, henri de lubac, Carl Jung, Jordan Peterson). In this way one lives life AWARE of what one NEEDS to be aware of. Hence, rigid totalitarianism, in all of its alluring and spiteful forms, is ULTIMATELY self defeating. Rigid ideology cannot make sense of the anomolous. Where there are NO INDIVIDUALS, there are no sufficient mechanisms to deal with what is different. It's funny she thinks he's selling out whites. Tell me, how many whites have perished at the hands of Hitler and Stalin? You are either naive or evil to believe collectivism is a viable solution to existence. Illiterate fools. This Lauren Rose had better watch what she says, or she just might piss off the wrong person, or worse, get that fascism she idiotically craves.
> Wanting a country where your people are put first and not explicitly being replaced and you still have private property, capitalist markets, etc. is totally the same thing as a bunch of anarchist Jewish bullshit where the economy is completely planned and you can't own things
ethnonationalism is inevitable
civcuck lolberg nationalism is the pipe dream. you're watching it fall apart in real time with your own eyes.
lolbergs don't want the right to self rule, but the people do.
it's on the rise but nothing will ever come of it, which is my point. Even if Europe stopped taking in refugees tonight, the ones that are already there will continue to outbreed the white population. mass deportations of all non-whites will never happen. It's a good dream but a dream nonetheless
they are both collectivist, yes. why is this so difficult for you?
The picture itself is just a giant insult to "collectives." And she doesn't have one you retarded Peterson shill. Meanwhile he makes money off of telling brain dead zombies like you to clean their room.
beautifully stated, user
Found you, OP
And may you rot in the hell you dream off :^)
>indivdualists can't be white or support their Nation
>unless you're a Zionist
t. Ayn Rand
t. Jordon Peterson
>link to her patreon?
Why you want to shut it down?
It's a retarded categorization then, because collectivism isn't even bad by that standard.
Japan is a near-idyllic society and is collectivist by your standards.
>people willingly parting with their money to support something they like and benefit from is somehow bad
>but her memes are fire desu. definitely /ourgirl/.
there's a million swinging dicks parroting the same shit but, alas, they don't have vaginas. c'est la vie
>Why you want to shut it down?
no, because I'm not a fascist
please go read something
individualism can't work at all, an ethnostate by definition can't be individualist. Individualism is the root problem of globalism and mass migration
Brainlet. A true individualist would realise that a rational actors acting in their own self-interest would identify with collective identities be they ethnic, religious, racial etc. to be able to compete with other collectives. If you think free markets, libertarianism or anarcho-capitalism wouldn't result in collectives you're retarded, humans aren't lone actors, they work in groups and have done for millennia. Trying to fight human nature is step one for creating an ideology doomed to failure
>no, because I'm not a fascist
You don't even know what that word means faggot plebeian, Rothschild-brainwash-vicitm
>Individualism is the root problem of globalism and mass migration
explain please. genuinely curious
>America was 90% white just prior to 1965
>Ethnonationalism is not possible
ITT: 19 year olds.
>muhh values
*gets eaten alive by a better organized opponent*
The only species of man I care about is mine. There are two species of man.
The truth is there is you look.
>Japan is near-idyllic society
Are you so sure? Have you heard about their near precipitous decline in innovation? The failure of Abenomics? The terrible state of gender relations? The terrible state of all human relations? most don't Even want kids. And i have YET to hear of Any Japanese intellectuals offering viable solutions to these dire issues. The grass isn't greener bud.
identifying with and being controlled by are two separate things
good one bro
If civic nationalism is to work, why hasn't it worked already?
We have diversity and are getting more of it, yet minorities are voting along ethnic lines more often than not. It's whites who have this idea that we should forget race and only focus on each other as individual Americans. Ever since MLK in the 60s, we've believed we are going to reach a colorblind society. Yet the less white this country becomes, the more race focused we become instead. Why is that?
Minorities have mostly rejected your civic nationalist individualism (which was basically the GOP platform from Goldwater to Trump), and you continually see the Democratic Party win over 90% of blacks, and 70% of mestizos and Asians (sometimes upwards of that even).
If anyone is to blame for the rise in ethnocentrism it is not whites, who mostly wanted to play nice with minorities so long as they assimilated and become patriotic Americans. It is the minorities who have caused this by cleaving onto the tribal identity politics promoted by the Democratic Party.
Doesn't make it any less impossible.
> Have you heard about their near precipitous decline in innovation?
Japan has the highest economic complexity in the world, and produces the most technologically advanced things on average in terms of its exports to other countries. It also produces more scientific, engineering, mathematics, etc. research per capita than just about any other country.
> The failure of Abenomics?
Japan's economy isn't the best performing in the world but overall people are wealthy enough to buy things, and are relatively wealthy.
> The terrible state of gender relations? The terrible state of all human relations?
I think you're really overexaggerating how bad these are, sure there seem to be a lot of people not fucking, but in the grand scheme of things how big of a problem really is that? They aren't actively being replaced or anything, their country's future is assured to be culturally Japanese, crime rates are extremely low, etc.
well said
We became race-focused specifically because of Obungo and the last 8 years.
Democrats are city/university town ppl, regardless of ethnicity. Your division is too superficial. If minorities were to live in rural states, i guarantee things would be different. That's why i ignore 'civ nat' based arguments. It's too superficial to encapsulate more relevant and determinant factors. Please read a university level textbook on statistics at least.
ok so you have liberalism as an ideology that arose out of the reformation, which basically states that the individual should be the subject that a state is enshrined to protect. Every political ideology that exists or has existed in the modern world has a political subject, for the communists, the subject was the proletariat, and for the fascists it was race. So what liberalism is founded upon is the protection of the rights of the individual. Within the liberal system there are two wings, left and right, they both care about protecting the rights of the individual, but in different ways. The left wants all forms of identity gone from the face of the earth, and the right wants more or less the same, but they are more cautious about it, but essentially they are the same. What we see going on now is the domination of liberal/individualist philosophy over the entire world. The people in charge hate sovereignty and want everyone to be "liberated." Thus you have the US invading and destabilising every nation that opposes them. Its the quest for world domination. They don't even want our own country to be sovereign, in the end they don't even want borders or any form of nations, they just want individuals to rule over.
>that's right goy, fuck collectivism, only you matter
yawn
Individualism is a pipedream.
You make good points, but Japan is definitely falling behindThe more innovative and culturally diverse silicon valley and especially hong kong. Their current status isn't hell, sure, but their trajectory is concerning.
>If minorities were to live in rural states
they do
I can't subscribe at all to the idea that white ethnostates are a pipedream, it's just too important to give up on. It'll be very difficult to create, but I think people will gradually grow on the idea as things get worse and worse, and I believe whites are absolutely strong enough to throw undesirables out of our countries. Our future is just too important to give up on.
>fundamentally religious
Careful not to mix religion and spirituality! Find your own truth and constantly re-check it until it rings intuitively true.
Then check it some more.
>It also produces more scientific, engineering, mathematics, etc. research per capita than just about any other country.
it really doesn't, not trying to say japan is a shit country but try to avoid the hyperbole lad
You're the one trying to tie collectives to totalitarianism, the individual and the group aren't at odds, it's a mutually beneficial arrangement. And before I get the "but ethnic/racial loyalties aren't voluntary" I'm afraid that doesn't matter, voluntary collectives such as corporations are less competitive than biological/involuntary collectives, you can argue about whether that's moral or not but it's just the reality of the situation
It was a good one traitor.
Well of course, he was the first minority President and agitated for his people over others.
Blacks who live in the rural South vote even more heavily Democratic than those in urban areas. Look up the black belt and the Mississippi Delta. Blue as can be..
Also there are many big cities that are red such as San Diego, Jacksonville, Fresno, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Omaha, Miami, Colorado Springs, Mesa, Fort Worth, Arlington, Reno, Anchorage, Virginia Beach, etc.
Also, majority Hispanic rural areas still go heavily Democratic, look up the rural California, Arizona, and South Texas counties as further proof.
> Among the world leader in patents produced
> Multiple Nobel Prize winners
> Among the highest spending per researcher in the world
???
those are specifically science papers
If that is true, then one thing I'd say is that republicans don't do a good job at marketing themselves the way democrats do ( and it doesn't help to describe an entire religion as terrorists and a nationality as rapists). What i want to get across though, is that you CAN'T place the entire blame on minorities. The republican party isn't really known for being welcoming of ppl that are different from them.
I take your point. Thanks for explaining.
Non-whites that consider themselves conservative still vote left
You are what is known as a Faggot King in Dark Souls
...
SeeAgain, republicans CAN IMPROVE in the area of marketing. Take this as a helpful hint.
Then tell me why the pattern of racial/ethnic based voting blocs exists in every Western country. Politics naturally orders itself according to group differences in heterogeneous societies
No they can't you teenager, they've been pandering to mexicans for decades, jeb's entire family is beaners and it doesn't matter. Their values are fundamentally at odds with white values: personal responsibility, respect for other's freedoms etc.
>individualists think their retarded meme ideology will lead to anything but further societal decay and degeneracy/hedonism
>B-but i cleaned my room why isn't the world good now?
I'm not going to pretend i know everything, but maybe minorities understand the fallacy of ' trickle down economics', the impracticality of coal in the 21st century, the need for scientific based education ( that includes evolution), the virtue of tolerance, and the outright stupidity of republicanism as we know it today (ie ZIONISM)? That's muy o best guess.
>huwhite values
Those are universal human values, bud. Nobody takes stormeeenies seriously dude. At least ethonationalists don't try to shit on others needlessly.
>but maybe minorities understand the fallacy of ' trickle down economics', the impracticality of coal in the 21st century, the need for scientific based education ( that includes evolution), the virtue of tolerance, and the outright stupidity of republicanism as we know it today (ie ZIONISM)? That's muy o best guess.
You've described 90's-00's American conservatism none of this applies to the European or Antipodean right. And I already demonstrated here
That even non-whites who consider themselves conservative, oppose gay marriage, want a smaller state, are against wealth redistribution and are pro-life still voted for Obama by large margins.
>Those are universal human values, bud.
what's it like living in clown world?
no invulnerability frames irl
>impracticality of coal
yeah, lets destroy a huge portion of the rural economy to save mother gaia, fuck those dirty rural huwhites
>need for scientific based education ( that includes evolution),
and yakub, the creator of the white man
>republicanism as we know it today (ie ZIONISM
yes, like obongo who wanted to bomb syria into (((peace))) and (((democracy)))
>the virtue of tolerance
black lives matter
fuck off back to plebbit namefag
It was a combination of Reddit and Tumblr you were talking too.
Modern nationalism does not wish to float in the airless space of theories, it does strive for “free thinking” but desires to gain strong ties, order, to grow roots in society, blood and soil. It does not wish for socialism of opportunities, it longs for socialism of duty, for that rigid stoic world that the individual man must sacrifice himself to.
--Ernst Jünger
Zionism is definitely still a thing, and the other things are related to the republican BRAND, hence why republicans need better marketing. Also, another thing is that liberals tend to ( and this is the empirical stuff) have higher iq, thus a stronger ability at solving complex problems, SUCH AS, swaying public opinion. It CAN BE LEARNED though, so THERE IS HOPE for republicans yet, if they recognize their shortcomings. You should read some books related to that stuff. I'm sure it'll open many doors/ideas for you.
Well, i should include that evil and laziness are Also universal human traits( and implicit values). I think you know what i mean.
> I guarantee things would be different
>the virtue of tolerance
Aristotle is misquoted very often here.
They have such a higher IQ that they have an IQ of 98 and are seeing the White Liberal population die off. White men under 35 have the highest average IQ on average as a group in the US. Guess how they voted?
Let's all become selfish spoiled babies who cry when we don't get what we want. Individualism sounds wonderful. OP I think a nappy and baby bed would suit you.
Read what I'm writing, I asked if this was simply a marketing problem: why is it that the pattern of racial/ethnic based voting blocs exists in every Western country. Talking about the American right is irrelevant to the discussion
?!?? Lol wut. Read that sentence to yourself and ask yourself if it makes sense. Then do the same with whatever ideology it is that you espouse.
>T.Brainlet
The average Democrat has an IQ of 95 - 98. The super smart White liberal population is disproportionately older women who are disproportionately Jewish, college students, urbanites, and more Jews who have a birth rate of 1.0
Literally everything is a fucking slide thread after the ban was rolled through, that and those fucking boomers from cbts. This place is overrun by Juden.
This.
Xenophobia from the right, ultimately. Le Pen and all those other ppl on the right are not very welcoming to minorities, believe it or not.
Tell me, is Bill Gates republican? How About Bezos? (This one is fun) and wasn't trump a dem for the longest time?
Then I'll give you a different example, in NZ our right of centre party gets the non-white vote from the Chinese (our second largest immigrant group), again regardless of political ideology they vote right because they're voting tribally. Economic positions don't matter, when minorities grow to take up a significant portion of the population right and left become irrelevant, multiracial societies always become a power struggle for domination between competing groups
>fundamentally religious set core values
You realize the religious are a huge problem in our country, right? Christians all over the USA claiming that we are all equal in god's eyes are one of the most significant groups pushing the acceptance of refugees and immigration. All those fucking Christians in my home state, Minnesota, is a huge reason why we're overrun with Somalis.
You say ethno-nationalism is a pipe dream and now push for the adoption of the philosophy that has turned my communities to shit? Get fucked.
Yeah the whole "Christianity will save the West" shit gives me a laugh. The clergy is full of homos, they're constantly agitating for refugees if they're mainline or based Christian Africans if they're not and it's proved already that it can't withstand the tide of modernity
Recommend me some books will you? I'll look further into it.
Protestantism has poison at it's roots and Catholicism got cucked by modernists. The general of the Jesuits is literally a communist.
Seriously this.
People need to grow the fuck up and take control of their lives instead of investing themselves in a future helter skelter where whites will literally en mass purge ethnic minorities and create a psuedo fascist white nationalist ethno state
What you need to do is take control of your life, make yourself as powerful as you can mentally, physically, and spiritually, and then be an advocate for your own principles. Show people you're right by example, and spread happiness where you go, or at least reduce suffering
Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam
(NZ specific) In the Jaws of the Dragon by Ron Asher
Unrelated but definetly read Culture of Critique. The first list for redpill on "diversity".
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There are no such thing as "universal human values" you delusional moron.
>mass deportations of all non-whites will never happen
A return to segregation is certainly possible. Sterilization or deportation ultimatums are the next step from there. If they riot, we get rid of them the easy way.
It won't be hard to get young white people to give up empty hedonism for a meaningful identity and purpose. Especially when it becomes a position of strength they can join in on rather than the social outcast position it has been.
I'm not a faggot, you know. I love the scholarship of dr. Michel E Jones for example. However, it's become apparent to me that many 'redpills' are utter shit that are based on deep biases ( racism and envy for example).