>Ripley
>Sarah Connor
>Lara Croft
Hollywood has had strong women for ages so why is it only now that people are throwing a hissy fit over the likes of Furiosa in Mad Max and Black Widow?
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If the above scene happened today I guarantee that everyone here would be calling Ripley a Mary Sue.
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Because society in general is becoming increasingly adversarial and polarized into ideological extremes, as a result of the breakdown of trust between people (due to terrorism, the economy, demographic changes, etc).
Some points.
1. Terminator 2 was a good movie.
2. Sarah was a "badass," but she was also vulnerable, at times helpless, made mistakes, and had to rely on others. So, she was realistic, not a mary sue.
Yeah but Mad Max isnt a good movie
so was furiosa
but anyway, what hissy fit is OP talking about?
3. Culture is different. Because of the severity and ubiquity of the lies being told by feminism etc, there is necessarily a greater quantity of discourse surrounding the topic, including opposing opinions.
its not independent womyn that are gross, it's independent womyn covered in plot armor.
>its not independent womyn that are gross
It is.
Ripley and Sarah Connor were baddass but also had clear feminine and motherly qualities
Modern badass female characters are barren sex dolls for goony nerds to masturbate over
The thing is Ripley and Sarah Connor were both badass as fuck but also very feminine. Ripley was levelheaded and usually the only voice of reason on board the Nostromo and later on desperately tried to save Newt on Hadleys Hope. She wasn't a men hating bulldyke either. The whole shtick of Sarah Connor was to protect her son. To do that she had to mold herself into a soldier. She wasn't fighting the ebul Patriarchy. She was fighting for the sake of her family. Lara Croft had that tomboy quality that many men seem to like. Her original games were great too. The new ones not so much. Males are not afraid of women in power. We just don't like to be treated as the source of all evil.
Back then, it wasn't about being a "strong independynt wymyn who don't need no man" (read: obnoxious cat lady). Sarah and Ripley were just badass, well-written characters.
>hollywood will never again write women as well as they wrote Sarah Connor and Ripley
Why even live?
sarah connor had an arc. there exists a t1 where she basically doesnt know wtf is goin on and kyle reese is her savior. in t2, she is ready. kinda similar thing with ripley.
It's not talked about as much on Sup Forums as it is on Sup Forums. Sup Forums is pretty much uncucked, like Sup Forums, but the topics discussed are more variant and attract varying kinds of people, and so the political arguments there are more polarized, less nuanced, and repeated more frequently.
Sup Forums complains about bad movies and bad characters. Black Widow was a bad character in a bad movie.
Same thing with comedy. Women have been prominent in those for a long time, and they use to be good at it. I just watched Private Benjamin on Cinemax yesterday, which has a ensemble female cast. Yet last yr the female ghostbusters was made out to be some ground breaking shit because it had a female cast.
also kyle reese/hicks banged both sarah and ripley. howbowdah
fucking dolly parton was funnier in her films than the womyn ghosbusters
The Rene Russo chick from Lethal Weapons, X-Files' Scully, Xena, Stargate, etc.
But most feminists have never seen these films and TV-series.
>Hollywood has stronk women for ages
>Wonder Woman comes out
>everybody praises it like it's braking the patriarchy
>movies are now full of le sronk female characters that are in fact totally unlikable and forced
because they had them as original organic well developed characters making sense in a story as opposed to forced tokenist caricatures that most of nowadays roles usually are.
Because, the other franchises you named were written and built around those characters.
Mad Max Fury Road spent more screen time telling Furiosa's story, exploring her back ground, and addressing her conflicts. Literally made no sense of the Mad Max character being there. In the end, he didn't really advance much at all toward revealing, much less resolving, as a character.
lethal weapon is the jewiest action series to ever exist.
>throw out every year like 20 cape shit movies
>50-60 kg cute 18 old girl beats up 6 Big men in hand combat
>winks at the camera
>"hihi men are weak, girl power"
>*kills family*
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Because it's is so predictable, contrived and most of all uninspired.
>Mad Max
But it ruined Mad Max and made it all anti-white men and anti-motherhood.
Sarah was a REAL character, developed, a mother, and not a political message.
YOU'RE DUMB
>The Rene Russo chick from Lethal Weapon
She killed the franchise user and every dike has seen Xena
>Sarah Connor
Seriously... Linda Hamilton in T2 was operator as fuck and legit strong and tough. Terminator Genisys made by Jew siblings who only make shitty indie films had Emilia Clarke with her soft lewd porn body. She was a terrible Sarah Connor and tried to compensate being porn starlet by just being a shitty generic action girl.
I loved Sarah Connor too because she acquired the pinnacle of masculine militarism, discipline and strength for an ultimately feminine objective, to ensure the well-being of her child destined for greatness. She's almost like a Marian figure. Though one in the Orthodox tradition where the Mary is the central figure of the Nativity. And yeah... (J)ohn (C)onnor, (J)esus (C)hrist. Messiah destined to lead mankind.
(By the way am I the only one who finds it funny that the good Terminator movies with Christian values have names that have concepts from the new testament "Judgement Day" "Salvation" and the shit one has a name from the old testament "Genesis.")
Ripley is similar. She's an archetypal "final girl" who survives by adopting masculinity. But the one directed by James Cameron, Aliens, she goes balls out to exterminate the Xenomorph nest out of maternal instinct for Newt. James Cameron even made a point of telling that she was a mother who outlived her daughter while in cryosleep.
(She also dies with her arms out like she's on a cross in Alien 3 with the objective of cleansing mankind of a corruption)
This is the sort of heroine I can get behind. Now I don't actually mind Furiosa or Black Widow. Black Widow is shallow simply because it's cape shit and nobody in those movies is any good. Furiosa was a great character but MM:FR was marred by too many YAAAASSS SLAAAAYY cunts. If anything... Furiosa is a counter-point to third wave femicunts who are represented by the breeders who are always quick to point out that men destroyed the world. (Based on patterns of consumption for polymers and petrochemical products, I'd argue that it's women who destroyed the world.) The 2nd wave femicunts are the biker grannies who are not soft or attractive and did what they had to to survive. Furiosa is none of these. She's just a woman who grew up in an environment too harsh for frivolous femininity. She achieved the strength necessary to become an Imperator and doesn't even bother with gender shit like the breeders. She knows why men are the way they are, why War Boys are what they are, why Max is what he is because she's just like them. She's lived in their world. Not in a dyke commune like the Vuvalini. Not in the gilded cage of the breeders which is a great metaphor for the average privileged western female.
This is something I caught on to because I feel that this goes beyond fiction. Most women who truly enter a man's world with all of it's adversity and hostility very easily discard all that feminist shit. Rhonda Rousey is a good anti-feminist. And a local female Boxer, Mischa Merz, has some similar sentiment in her book, Bruising. And then you have the woman who wrote "Self-made man", Norah Vincent who lived as a man and realized that women were truly the privileged gender.
You guys don't give a shit when Aragorn can fight 9 Ringwraiths and 100 Uruk-Hai at once. But when a girl is fighting a couple of guys, suddenly it's totally unrealistic and wrong.
What he said.
That is a deeply thought out and unimpeachable assessment. And a ridiculously cute gif.
First post, best post, user. FPBP.
>strong woman MC
>untouchable Mary Sue snowflake
Pick one
Nah I legit thought lord of the rings was stupid.
aragon is no men :^)
He has a blood of Kings. A descendant of Isildur himself. Knowing how much Tolkien loved the concept of bloodlines and inherited greatness he wasn't going to be a fuck up was he?
the blood*
>You guys don't give a shit when Aragorn can fight 9 Ringwraiths and 100 Uruk-Hai at once.
Retarded and didn't happen.
A) Hilltop confrontation with the ringwraiths and battle with Uruk-hai are two different events, not all at once
B) There were only 8 at Hillop. The Witch-king of Angmar was not present.
C) Aragorn had help in all instances. The hobbits in the books aren't pussies to nearly the degree they are in the movies, and they had Bombadil weapons for hilltop. The orcs saw Boromir, Legolas, and Gimli all fighting with Aragorn, and all four are legit renknown fighters with lots of experience. And one of them - Boromir - DOES bite it. So it's not like it was a battle that came without cost.
But decent bait. Obviously I took it. 8/10
>Eowyn kills the Nazgul King
>Tauriel killing hordes of orcs before breakfast
user pls
Tolkien always intended for Elves to be literal superhumans so it's not farfetched for Legolas or Tauriel to be killing hordes of Orcs.
Not to mention the fact that they've been training as warriors for 1000+ years.
Are you aware of the hate that sarah connor had for men?
here's a quote from that movie. It was brainwashing in a slow manner.
>Yeah, right. How are you supposed to know? Fucking men like you built the hydrogen bomb. Men like you thought it up. You thikn you're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really create something; to create a life; to feel it growing inside you. All you know how to create is death and destruction...
Have I lost my mind or do people not see the very slow brainwashing we've all been introduced to?
Tauriel is a young elf Mary Sue, also her plot is retarded as fuck, you can't compare her with Sarah Connor or Ripley.
It's what happens when you introduce tumbrl fanfiction into Tolkien.
You're right, but isn't that so on-the-nose and hokey that you can almost write it off?
I don't like it either, I'm just saying, it's better than gal gadot.
It's gonna be a wild ride
10 years ago I would have agreed with you. I would have been the first to say how ridiculous of claim that is. But now.. There's no looking back for me. Brainwashing doesn't happen overnight. It can take years or decades. If it's done too fast it's noticeable.
Sadly.. I don't think I'm mistaken.
well trauriel is an only hobbit movie character and they weren that good
I guess brainwashing is one word for it.
Ideologies have to be introduced slowly because that's just how human perception works. Overton window, i think. So what you're describing as "brainwashing" is just human learning patterns.
anyway, Furiosa was good too
Eowyn is not just another thot, she is goddaughter of King Théoden.
Point.
I'm sick to death of the tough independent strong womyn trope being overdone, and I fucking loved Mad Max. Furiosa was great.
The characters you mention are really good designed characters. Sure, they have some feminism behind it (the need to force a female character into a strong leading role) but they're well written so nobody cares.
Now, what they're doing with the female role enforcement is to introduce poorly written/design characters and accuse you of sexism when you don't like them. If you introduce to me a single good female character of recent movies I'll admit with no hesitation it's good. But that's what we have:
>Furiosa, as you mention, is a character made to steal protagonism from Mad Max, the absolute main character of the saga who's movie has his name. The movie is not even about Max anymore and he's absolutely irrelevant to the story. Basically taking a saga that belonged to a certain target and tearing it apart. They could've named it differently but they wanted to offend and manipulate.
>Female Ghostbusters. It's the same, taking a brand just to piss the audience and fans off. They could've done anything different but they chose to take something people appreciate and ruin it. They dumbed down the characters to a point where they became cliché and changed their genders.They're really poorly written.
Same formula for any other hated female character you can find.
The thing is people also hate male characters that are poorly written but feminists take it as if only female ones are hated and it's because patriarchy.
A personal example:
>Keanu Reeves is one of my favourite actors. He's great in Johnny Mnemonic and Constantine. Both characters have flaws and they need to evolve, improve and redeem theirselves through the story.
>John Wick is a bad character. Everybody fears him, you know he's badass because they movie tells you to, not because he actually gives that impression and he never fails. Sure he takes a wound here and there but he's absolutely overpowered. No evolution, just action.
shut the fuck up you mongoloid 56% woman-hating incel. shes angry at some men for creating a world dominated by aggression. there are fucking killer robots trying to kill her son and have exterminated the humanity. you need to get off of pol for at least a month you turd and smell some roses or some shit.
Scully is breddy cool