Sup Forums Thinktank

While digesting a vintage William Cooper Hour of the Time broadcast, an idea for a thread here struck me, which is rare. I lurk 95% of the time, post in interesting threads 4.9% of the time, and post my own threads in the rare remainder.

I've been on the chans since ~'06. I know the thinktank capabilities of Sup Forums as well as the memetics, I played my role in the last couple intense years as have so many others.

The thought that struck me was in regards to CTR/ShariaBlue/Paid Shills in general. What sets us apart from them is the willingness to do it for free, and do it many times better for free, either because it is right, or the lulz, or fuck you I don't need a reason. The army that fights a war on a whim but still isn't your personal army.

Pertaining to that, what if someone with the funds to spare recruited pollacks and paid them to do what they already do, giving the bottom end/neets who actually contribute to saving the world what they need to keep focused?

Would they become ineffective, only motivated by gaming their paycheck metrics similar to a paid shill fag harvesting (you)s?

Would they become a separate yet connected element of Sup Forums specializing in whatever targets were identified?

I ask for this sort of meta/pol/ discussion thread because in the not too distant future I just may have such funds to spare, and long term goals relating to cleaning out corruption in the world.

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I bet you purchased Battlefront.

Gaming is a waste of time for people with long term goals. I don't judge people playing if it makes them happy and they lack desire to move forward in life, but I gave up that hobby long ago.

I'd do it if you gave me my foreskin back

I know that feel.

But apparently not why we do it anyway. Murk loar.

IMO I think you'd be able to find some people who would be both good at it and dedicated.

But what you'd need is not just people who are good at it and diligent but people who know HOW to get a ball rolling. I've made a few very successful threads and a few very unsuccessful ones. I did it for fun, and I'd do it for pay (since it'd still be fun) but not every shitposter is worth paying...if that makes any sense.

And frankly I'm probably not worth paying either.

>But what you'd need is not just people who are good at it and diligent but people who know HOW to get a ball rolling. I've made a few very successful threads and a few very unsuccessful ones. I did it for fun, and I'd do it for pay (since it'd still be fun) but not every shitposter is worth paying...if that makes any sense.
>And frankly I'm probably not worth paying either.

And that's the dynamic I want to discuss.

Is it even possible to pay Sup Forums to do what we do? If you hired 1,000 anons to dig at a particular subject, and a given thread in the past has 20,000 people look over it with links to archives, does the dedicated 1,000 measure up to the larger total?

That's why we already make all 'journo' outlets if they can even be called that look like jokes, they have news teams of less than 10 people typically, and we throw thousands at an issue, big or small.

Is it the culture combined with the critical mass, like some bizarre math equation, or can it be compartmentalized?

I'm actually leaning towards NO, and am hoping people would argue in favor. Part of me thinks something similar would already exist if it were practical.

Oh I think a dedicated team could actually function and be effective, but not the way you're imagining. A Sup Forums microcosm isn't going to work.

What you're looking for is a little different. You're not really looking for a team of a diggers who can focus on a special subject and publish their findings (though this has its place) what you really want to do is find people who are good at making something interesting enough to draw the power of the hivemind out and direct it to useful means.

Most people just call it crowd sourcing, but with Sup Forums as ever you can't just say "hey, we're gonna do this" they'll just tell you to fuck off. Instead you need people who can gauge the flow and direction of the current, and nudge it the right way. Chuck a few memes here and there in to start changing course and then launch a catalyst that gets everyone riled up and charging ahead.

Imagine the kind of team that goes 'ok, we have determined X Y Z is important but we need more man power, lets go show them what we've got' and then knows how to get people interested in XYZ.


To answer your other question it is a bizarre math equation. It really is culture and critical mass of sapient minds all fighting eachother. The bickering is what gives us strength basically. Nothing but the most solid stuff survives the grinder.

Or let me correct that.
"we know X Y Z is important, but we can't tell how and we need more people to dig, lets go get them interested." is the only kind of organization that would work here.

Not even that. People go through high-level PhD programs and then get recruited into government training to learn how to conduct psychological operations, and for the most part they are still basically a quarrel of operative arrows. They still don't know how to manufacture a "natural" who gets in a substantive fashion what makes a certain group or other really tick, which is why they focus on recruiting assets instead.

It won't work. Just a few thoughts:
1. The beauty of Sup Forums is its diversity. People from all over the world. People from different backgrounds, professions, age, experience...and so on. So you have countless views from different perspectives on the same topic/subject.

2. The anonymity is a big factor of our efficiency and effectiveness. No fear of repercussion, there is no system that gives more 'value' to one post more than the other like Reddit does with their points and post history. A good post will be maybe screenshotted bad posts will be forgotten. Everyone has the potential to be the flapping of the wings of a butterfly.

So if you try to pay this 'hivemind' they lose their anonymity and you won't receive the full potential (see my first point) of Sup Forums.

Thank you, that was valuable insight.

Even a well trained man with a background in relevant fields still can't fully pretend to be someone who has sat on their ass trolling 4chin for 10 years+. This is why we see through CTR/SB/Faggots in general.

So if you know that then you know even most tried and true channers spend a lot of time wondering how it works and not knowing how to effective organize beyond just joining the fray.

Foreskin + testosterone. Then maybe we'll talk. Also LSD. That's my final offer.

Or, you know, you buy all that shit yourself. With money. That you get paid. You lazy faggot.

Accidental self sage.

And that's why throwing money at the problem isn't going to work. It shows a lack of understanding of human nature.

I created /BMW/ with the intent to do what you're thinking of albeit for free - to spread the idea of anons banding together to work as a stateless psychological warfare unit

I'm devoting my tie now to building a career and am working on a side project which may bring me wealth, if ever that whould happen I fully intend to create an IRL /BMW/

Though, I saw an ad for a JIDF app recently which sends links and messages to spam to those that download the app so that they in turn spread a given message via social media - I think that something similar would be a good approach, perhaps paying people per screen shot of on topic post and further evidence of user interaction

Also if you want to find good people, lurk fashy facebook sites - there are several that I've been keeping tabs on that are excellent at creating large groups and spreading content

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I had an interesting thought a couple of days ago, after watching "best of enemies" - a movie about a debate series in the 60s between Vidal and Buckley.
In most debates/discussions ad hominem attacks are standard. You attack the man - win the argument, a professor in economics will always win the discussion between a layman. Not necessarily because of the value of his argument, but because of the strength of the man.
On Sup Forums, two forms of ad hominem attacks exist, because of the anonymity. The "flag-attack", and the ridiculing of a particular argument/straw-man attack.

The latter, is of particular interest, because it is very good at spilling over into the "real world". All these Soy-boy, radical-centrist, Ancap, cuck, dindunuffin, and civics; they are all centered around ridiculing a set of ideas, a person which believe X is Y. Because this is the only way on Sup Forums to efficiently deliver an ad hominem attack on the person holding the opposite view, it is naturally selected for - in a much higher degree than virtually any other fora.

The strength of Sup Forums is in my opinion, the ability to attack and ridicule ideas, which has an odd sense of intellect about it.

Don't pay them, I won't elaborate but If you can't understand what I mean then your the wrong person to lead the army.
Instantly offering money like you did sends up redflags btw

Also
> in the not too distant future I just may have such funds to spare
Fellow LINK holder, i presume?

Sup Forumsacks, when being Sup Forumsacks, cannot be motivated by money. Money is too small a reward.

You want to clean out corruption, run an investigation oriented around information saturation, and post it cold. A thermonuclear goodie bomb of info with no clear answer is motivating. People will instantly make assumptions, others will be motivated to make them eat words. Its how the Sup Forums works.

i think they would become disillusioned. it wouldn't be about righteous lulz but about food. the whole mentality would show in the work.
the system we have is fine. if someone wanted to indirectly fund the hate machine they could purchase it off hiroshima and clean house. turning over mods/janitors every 6 months

WHY ARE YOU NOT MENTION THE MOST IMPORTANT PART WHEN HE DISCOVERED Sup Forums
THAT'S WHEN THE FIRE RISES

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what if my car forum wasn't getting a little boring while I was hopped up on pills I got from my friend trying to ignore the sounds of everybody else partying AND THAT'S NOT THAT ONE GUY'S GF THEY FUCKING HAVE A BUNCH OF GIRLS OVER FUCK

i think you need a different kind of pill

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This.

I think that any attempt to weaponize pollacks would be foolhardy and ultimately backfire. It's the very lack of any sort of monetary incentive that makes the community function as it does. We all do this with our free time. Not taking paid shills into account, because they're easy to pick out.

If this becomes a job instead of a hobby of sorts, it will invite danger for not only you, but for Sup Forums as a whole. It may give (((them))) the excuse they need to finally take Sup Forums and Sup Forums down for good.

Bottom line: Don't bring any more money into this than the shills have already brought. While a very small handful of people here would make phenomenal shills and actually cause waves across the internet, the risk at which it would come (not speaking financially) is simply too great. And we don't even know what your agenda is, so I haven't even factored that in.

Find a different way to do it.

Buy the site, evict the scum, put in a solid mod squad rotation, like that other guy said.

In my opinion you are correct. For now. The online guerilla model has served us well so far and has proved extremely effective. Our impact has been large considering our small online presence. We have swayed and controlled the narrative (or so we believe) thus far. For now we need to lay the foundations, put ideas into people's heads.

However, at some point in the future, there will be a need to mobilize. When western governments begin to falter under the weight of their own mistakes, be it financial or demographic, that it when we strike. In my country for example, there will come a point when the organs of the state are no longer effective or even functional. The police and army have been cut to the bare bones, socialised medicine is failing. When the point of collapse comes who will be able to oppose us? Society will at this point be a collection of richer individuals who can afford South African style security/gated community, and the rest of us in a balkanized unpoliced hell-hole Elysium scenario. This is when we rise, just like we did in Germany. People flock to security and order, which we can provide.

a personal reward for anons wouldnt work, maybe something everyone benefits from would work as motivation
like this:

You're correct in identifying logistics. Logistics > strategy > tactics. Get your self set up as a radio operator.

Mod squad rotation is probably largely inherent. The janny logs indicate that it operates largely as usual. What you're missing is what most people miss: how to effectively maintain a command structure. Mods and jannies are just assets.

I want the mods of 8ch here if you buy this place, make me a mod for all I care I'll teach these faggot what the gestapo was

That doesn't work, either. You just got a note in my mental log about you to pit you against what you hate outside of a position of power (further frustrating you) in order to force the resulting community support in favor of a candidate that represents the same idea without needing to implement it due to the newfound voluntary compliance.

I have many ideas of what Sup Forums can become in the next few years, I just think Sup Forums isn't the place to post them. We need a Sup ForumsPAC into which we can crowdfund /ourguys/ on an international scale. I will say no more.

>Mercenaries are usless, disunited, unfaithful
>They have nothing more to keep them in a battle other than a meager wage
>Which is just about enough to make them wanna kill for ya
>But never enough to make them wanna die for ya

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The key,my dear paragraphanon...is not content
>but context
Sup Forums wins ,everytime...because we provide
>CONTEXT
to the world.
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Some kind of hierarchy in pol would be nice. Maybe some kind of chan, that wouldnt be open to everyone and could steer the direction of pol and psyops.

The best use of the high-traffic high-publicity all-anonymous venue is the kind of chaos that Sup Forums currently experiences. This is a tested, proven model.

On the other hand, if it aint broke, dont fix it :) Although at some point the, when battle initiative will be on our side, clear directions will be needed. 10 - 20 years ahead

There are always smaller, more coordinated groups behind the scenes.

OP is searching where to put his money, groups behind pol, definitely could use them, maybe not as much now, after all for now its battle of ideas. Of course many risks involve taking money, including anonymity.

I've rarely seen a funding model work that wasn't basically one angle funder manning the operation who also knows how to run it right. Sup Forums itself is a shining example of this. m00t was a faggot, but he was the faggot we needed with an uncanny knack for keeping this shitheap afloat.

Fortunately he had good instincts in picking a replacement. A lot of times you put somebody in a position of power that seems like it's going to work but then it turns out they don't quite have that magic spark to pull it off.

Also think about the US military vs. the CIA. Both of them have more or less infinite funding. But one of them has a model of operation that results in pretty effective, reliable operation especially if you disregard the upper management. The other has a pretty questionable track record.

It would give the wage cucks an extra 8 hours of shit posting.
Paycheck metrics and the been counters associated with them are very inefficiant.
Maybe funding hatrions is better. Anons who make good oc and quality effort posts could be funded through there.

I would also do it if you gave my foreskin back.
This is an excellent idea, but it needs to be web-based. Anything distributed through an app store is liable to get (((shut down))).