Is Lelouch the most well-written protagonist in anime?

Caleb Williams
Caleb Williams

Is Lelouch the most well-written protagonist in anime?

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Luke Bailey
Luke Bailey

Hard to say he's the most well-written but he's definitely one of the most endearing and captivating protagonists.

John Smith
John Smith

I don't know about that. He is is the most fabulous one though.

Nicholas Sanchez
Nicholas Sanchez

Yes. Not even Shinsekai's Saki nor Rakugo's Sukeroku can measure up.

William Baker
William Baker

No. But he's magnificent anyway.

Blake Ward
Blake Ward

Not even close

Bentley Rodriguez
Bentley Rodriguez

If you've only watched 50 anime then yes
Shinsekai Yori had a good plot but generally with a few exceptions terrible characters

Daniel Baker
Daniel Baker

He is pretty much still the king of well-written MCs in anime, but there is some problems to his character which can be considered a deal breaker. Though he has something to him, which most MCs nowadays down have.

Julian Russell
Julian Russell

but generally with a few exceptions terrible characters
Only plebs think Saki isn't a great character. It was a buildingsroman. But I guess unless we have pointles monologues, people can't understand shit.

Jose Powell
Jose Powell

No, he's not even he most well-written character in his own show. I'm almost certain that the people who praise Code Geass are those who watched it years ago as teenagers and it left an impression on them hence why they drive a sense of delusion whenever they praise it as anything more than schlock. Looking back its hilarious how fucking chuuni this show is and how its no different from the abundant amount of shit we continue to get every season.

David Sanchez
David Sanchez

Unironically yes. He's one of the few MCs with ambition, greed, some sense of a moral code, a spine and determination. He isn't a preachy righteous faggot, nor is he an edgy cunt that kills people for fun because he's wicked and nihilistic with a sense of humor.

Hunter Rivera
Hunter Rivera

eh, Geass is probably an above average show, and the fact that Lelouch is hammy as fuck actually works in its favor

But its like a 7/10

Joshua Bailey
Joshua Bailey

Geass is probably an above average show,
Nope.
and the fact that Lelouch is hammy as fuck actually works in its favor
He's just a clown and anyone above the age of 14 would find his behavior cringeworthy

Grayson Lewis
Grayson Lewis

not enjoying watching a ridiculously over the top character be hammy and fun

Tell me more about how mature you are.

Connor Ross
Connor Ross

Guilty as charged, but I rewatch regularly fearing I'll find flaws, but it stays my favorite. For a few reasons:
- pacing is like no other shows and I love it
- CLAMP designs are god tier
- dialogue flows great and is never superflous
- it's so dense you can always find something new
There are just no other anime like it.

Zachary Parker
Zachary Parker

I watched it for the first time when I was 25 and I inadvertantly binged it. It's rare to have such a large cast and manage to not leave so many of them out. My favorite characters ended up being Orange and the tvguy though.

I was honestly pretty turned off by Lelouches VA whenever he was doing his bigshot voice, like when he runs into CC for the first time after getting his Geass, it always felt way overacted whenever he used his Zero voice but it was no doubt the intent. Still bugged the shit out of me.

Brandon Butler
Brandon Butler

if not the best, then definitely in the top 5

Daniel Torres
Daniel Torres

It's rare to have such a large cast and manage to not leave so many of them out.
You didn't watch this show did you?

Jonathan Young
Jonathan Young

probably not even the best written protag in a taniguchi show. he was entertaining as hell though.

Ethan Wilson
Ethan Wilson

My favorite characters ended up being Orange
god-tier taste user.

Jace Kelly
Jace Kelly

He's good because unlike 90% of anime MCs, he's neither the nicest guy you'll ever meet, nor twisted fucking psycopath. Plus his chuuni act is fun

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

No, but damn, Code Geass, for all of it's faults, was endearing to watch.
One of the few animu I more or less marathoned - probably beacuse I watch too many as they air, I watched CG in 2008, but still, usually I have to do something else after two or three episodes.
I would really love another animu that keeps me gripped enough to watch in a day or two, but there's no way to know before. I remember that I fully expected to get bored with CG after a few episodes.

John Wright
John Wright

Well I mean compared to other shows that have 9+ characters? Recent ones? I mean there was Cross Ange, sort of? Mayoiga? Did they really handle their cast as well as Code Geass did?

I can honestly barely even think of shows that have a big ass ensemble cast that are done somewhat competently aside from a handful of big names like DRRR or Baccano, and those may even be arguable.

Jack Flores
Jack Flores

. It's rare to have such a large cast and manage to not leave so many of them out.
Most of the cast is irrelevant outside the two leads. The female leads get put on a bus in the second season and don't amount to anything everyone else is either stupid or irrelevant or both.
- pacing is like no other shows
Watch every Aniplex original show ever
- CLAMP designs are god tier
They're Kimura imitating CLAMP's style
- dialogue flows great and is never superflous
Oh boy....lot's of overdrought exposition and characters detailing their motive. Just like my Japanese animes.
- it's so dense you can always find something new
Yes a new plot hole
There are just no other anime like it.
Watch more anime

David Morgan
David Morgan

I watched it for the first time last week. I'm almost 30. I expected a silly trainwreck like a slightly less shitty Cross Ange, and it ended up being one of my favorite shows. You're trying too hard to sound like an adult.

Benjamin Garcia
Benjamin Garcia

cringe
Your home is that-a-way >>>/plebbit/

Zachary Powell
Zachary Powell

Here is my reply.

Elijah Rivera
Elijah Rivera

Well I mean compared to other shows that have 9+ characters?
Diamond is Unbreakable both handle their characters better. Code Geass only has two characters with anything resembling an arc with the rest only existing to make them look good.
Why do people fabricate bullshit like this? You're just making yourself look stupid admitting your tastes is terrible.

Hudson Robinson
Hudson Robinson

schlock
chuuni
That doesn't make anything bad or unenjoyable.
Just low-brow.
Code Geass is competently made schlock, for me it absolutely knew what buttons to push to keep me watching and watching, until I watched the entire first part in a Saturday.

James Morris
James Morris

They're Kimura imitating CLAMP's style
they hired CLAMP to do the character designs

Jace Anderson
Jace Anderson

50 geass threads a day again
I didn't miss it.

Sebastian Hill
Sebastian Hill

Mayoiga
Mayoiga was an all-out atrocity.
Cross Ange shouldn't even named in the same sentence, because it was fun and knew what it was.

John Turner
John Turner

CLAMP did the concert art retard. Kimura did the designs for the actual show.

Logan Bell
Logan Bell

PS I'm a Jojofag
Now you've overplayed your hand.

Jaxon Ramirez
Jaxon Ramirez

Diamond is Unbreakable
Most of the cast is irrelevant outside the two leads.

Oliver Wood
Oliver Wood

Cross Ange shouldn't even named in the same sentence, because it was fun and knew what it was.

Grayson Sanders
Grayson Sanders

And now with Sup Forums being dominated by /pol/ to make things fun!
Isn't that wonderful?

Juan Thompson
Juan Thompson

What else was somewhat recent with larger casts?

Jacob Rivera
Jacob Rivera

What? Josuke gets less screentime than Kouichi and Rohan

Christopher Bennett
Christopher Bennett

Look,you're comparing the guy who mooches Cheetos with the Zodiac Killer here.

Camden King
Camden King

Screentime doesn't need to equal relevancy to the plot, also the context of the post chain is implying that the antagonist is one of the leads.

Julian Robinson
Julian Robinson

I hate it!

Nathan Scott
Nathan Scott

Josuke is the main lead and is mostly just a bystander, he doesn't have a personal grudge against the villain and is absent through some major events

Jotaro takes a backseat through most of the arc

Kouichi has a character arc and gets more screentime than Josuke

Rohan was a villain of the week who took the spotlight and has more ties to the plot than Josuke

All the other characters get focused and contribute to the plot in some fashion

That is nothing like Code Geass which forgot most of its cast as it went along.

Jose Sullivan
Jose Sullivan

I'm not saying it's good, but I consider it enjoyable schlock.
And it always knew how schlocky it was.
Mayoiga was made by delusional people (judging by some producers' comments) who managed to do nothing right.

Josiah Rivera
Josiah Rivera

Just a while ago I saw another CG thread descend into a /pol/tard shitfest.
Neat.

Nicholas Lewis
Nicholas Lewis

Screentime doesn't need to equal relevancy to the plot,
Rohan has more ties to the plot given that the death of his former babysitter was to drive to capture the serial killer who will come into play in the next episode.

Hayato has more of a personal emitty to Kira because he killed his dad

Josuke literally only wants to take down Kira because he killed Fatty outside that there is no personal emitty towards the both of the,/

Jayden Howard
Jayden Howard

also the context of the post chain is implying that the antagonist is one of the leads.
Then you're a fucking idiot.

Landon Edwards
Landon Edwards

Are you implying that neither Lelouch nor Suzaku were antagonists at some point for the majority of the show? That's what the context was. The original post said that the cast of code geass was irrelevant outside of the two leads. Do you know what context even is?

Jaxson Taylor
Jaxson Taylor

The chain was about Jojo retard not Code Geass. A lead can be a protagonist or antagonist. What the hell are you even going on about?

Hunter Collins
Hunter Collins

code gayass
well written

'no'

Elijah Williams
Elijah Williams

implying

He's written to be likeable, sure, and he's a fun power fantasy with fabulous hair and keikaku. That's pretty much it.

Matthew Anderson
Matthew Anderson

code gayass

Been a while since I heard that, nice to see that not all of the posters are neo Sup Forums

Sebastian Hill
Sebastian Hill

He's written to be likeable
KEK

Bentley Long
Bentley Long

see

. It's rare to have such a large cast and manage to not leave so many of them out
reply was
Most of the cast is irrelevant outside the two leads. The female leads get put on a bus in the second season and don't amount to anything everyone else is either stupid or irrelevant or both.

This is entirely talking about code geass's leads, not jojos.

Carson Phillips
Carson Phillips

see
This is what you responded that started the chain you fucking idiot.

Brayden King
Brayden King

Are you high?
Read the fucking reply you idiot. I wasn't even a part of this stupid shit

Daniel Howard
Daniel Howard

see
Are you legit fucking stupid that you don't even know who you replied too?

Jaxson Smith
Jaxson Smith

That was literally a drive by shitpost by someone who probably isn't even here anymore who was mocking that persons entire post, who's contents consisted essentially of "I disagree" but without explaining why.

Landon Thompson
Landon Thompson

THIS so bad.

I am watching anime since the age of 3, I've watched a thousands ofthem, slowed down since I became an adult with all due resonsabilities and Code Geass is still one of the most enjoyable show I've watched.

It does have its flaws, likemost anime, but most characters, acing, actions and MC made it great.

I'd like to know what are this other user favorites shows for being thiis condescending with everyone who doesn't agree with us. Not enjoying is right, being all purist and most intelligent that all of us.

Ian Johnson
Ian Johnson

Cool story bro

Carson Carter
Carson Carter

This is an excellent phonepost falseflag.

Jason Ross
Jason Ross

Jojofags taking a one line shitpost as argument instead of the actual ones
This thread is comedy.

Caleb Taylor
Caleb Taylor

Why is it that not agreeing with you means being full of shit ? Maturity is not just a word. Talk about those O so divine anime for a change instead of being all "that's shit for kids"

Aaron Gomez
Aaron Gomez

I watched it for the first time last week. I'm almost 30. I expected a silly trainwreck like a slightly less shitty Cross Ange,

That's exactly what Code Geass is to me, something like Valvrave I just watched it to unfold the absurdness and laugh my ass off.
Sure I had fun but It was not in particularly anything breathtaking just mindless fun.

Christopher Baker
Christopher Baker

Is this the most retarded bait ever?

Wyatt Carter
Wyatt Carter

Its hilarious if something like Mahouka had aired before Code Geass you retards would have eaten it up. Tats would be considered well written and his antics would be considered entertaining

Daniel James
Daniel James

Given that he's part of a show that is known for being badly written I would find that rather unlikely.

Justin Moore
Justin Moore

Noes, Mahouka character design is ugly as fuck, already a no.

Cameron Anderson
Cameron Anderson

implying Clamp noodle people designs are good looking and not retarded as fuck

Aiden Davis
Aiden Davis

Mahouka was cool, but there's nothing that goes as high on the raw entertainment value as CG. And most times, that's all that matters - just how entertained you are.

Andrew Russell
Andrew Russell

He's one who marked anime history, that's already an answer.

Brayden Sullivan
Brayden Sullivan

hes the prettiest for sure. i watched code geass as a kid cause i wanted to pound his boi pucci. if im fucking 10 and i want to tame your ass, you have a life threatening hormone disorder.

Dominic Foster
Dominic Foster

Mahouka character design is ugly as fuck,
Have you looked in a mirror lately?

Alexander Murphy
Alexander Murphy

His antics are entertaining. He's literally batman who invents flying and also trained with bald ninjas in a mountain. In the middle of a massive fucking city. Also he's Jesus.

Logan Reed
Logan Reed

Clamp draw magnificent designs, their body shape is one thing, their face/hair design is another. Who cares if you disagree, their success didn't come from their storytelling.

Hunter Lopez
Hunter Lopez

Yeah and I'm pretty handsome; Now chara design doesn't equal animation thank you (and especially the worst part of it)

Connor Sanders
Connor Sanders

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So this, is the power of autism huh? Not bad.

Zachary Adams
Zachary Adams

Clamp draws ugly fujoshit garbage.

Cooper Cox
Cooper Cox

ya whatever

William Myers
William Myers

That one looks bad, but also fucking hilarious. It's memeable just like the whole show.

Just look at this and tell me it's not the greatest design of anything ever.

Nathaniel Cruz
Nathaniel Cruz

clamp

Alexander Richardson
Alexander Richardson

This thread is Jojofags VS Geassfags ? Jesus.

Evan Collins
Evan Collins

Jojofags still upset over CG threads archiving their >general the day R3 was announced.

Isaiah Phillips
Isaiah Phillips

Ahahahaha, shame, makes one wish for everyfucking geass character thread

Gabriel Cruz
Gabriel Cruz

this

Also
Anime character
Well written
I dare you to name one

Xavier Carter
Xavier Carter

I dare you to name one
Yang from LOGH

Xavier Walker
Xavier Walker

When you think about it Orange was the one that had won in the end.
The only known personbesides Lelouch's fuckbuddies(Suzaku and C.C) which knew of the plan.
He achieved an redemption that was so great that he became such big of a meme that his face alone represents the show
Then he became the one thing he hated the most: becoming an orange farmer, which also implies for him to have a great loli as his companion.
He truly never deserved being this based, but the bastard somehow made us all love him.

Julian Gomez
Julian Gomez

I genuinely hated him at first and could not believe how fucking based he was by the end.

Mason Ramirez
Mason Ramirez

True,I readdly didn't care about him when he died and came back then...badass

Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore

No. Kiritsugu is.

Wyatt Foster
Wyatt Foster

LOGH
well written

Juan Garcia
Juan Garcia

I CONTINUE TO FIGHT

Jason Collins
Jason Collins

Lelouch

Prove me wrong.

Jose Thompson
Jose Thompson

well written
muh geass can infiltrate and sabotage anything for some reason

Gabriel Gomez
Gabriel Gomez

I don't know but he's one of the most iconic anime character of all time, nobody can deny this.

Sebastian Evans
Sebastian Evans

A power that lets him control minds allows him to infiltrate places easily
Just because you wouldn't use it for anything other than telling girls to lift their shirts doesn't mean that nobody else could figure out how to use it.

Cameron Harris
Cameron Harris

Shit geass
Well written
Kill yourself fat faggot.

Ryder Hall
Ryder Hall

camera security be like "yo this nigga is rigging a bomb but stopping or telling someone ain't my job"

Cooper Rodriguez
Cooper Rodriguez

Iconic for being in a meme anime

Gavin Thomas
Gavin Thomas

Is in the dark about everything in regards to what Marianne was doing and sides with the very man who killed her so he still hasn't redeemed himself of anything
Only true accomplishment is beating a shitty KMF pilot
Is still a massive joke that people take seriously for some odd reason because he became a meme
This show is so stupid it hurts

Joshua Carter
Joshua Carter

Do you really not understand what "absolute power to give orders" entails?

Nicholas Miller
Nicholas Miller

There wouldn't be nearly as much hype for the new season if Lelouch wasn't in it, especially after Akito. His antics are half the fun in Code Geass.

Kevin Smith
Kevin Smith

Only true accomplishment
Dude she was one of the most high ranked soldiers there are. That is like taking down one of the most best soldiers in the world, and he took her down like a champ.

Austin Smith
Austin Smith

Akito sold well.
You can stop talking out your ass now.

Jaxon Ross
Jaxon Ross

Do we have real talking retard on Sup Forums
She was part of league of high trained soldiers which is something you just get to get into unless you are worth something to his majesty.

Eli Nguyen
Eli Nguyen

She was in a league of high trained soldiers
jobbed every battle

Gavin Murphy
Gavin Murphy

She was against Lelouch the fuck did you expect.

Benjamin Bennett
Benjamin Bennett

You're fighting a losing battle

Daniel Adams
Daniel Adams

He is better written than the likes of Inaho from AZ and Tatsuya from Mahouka, among others, but what makes Lelouch a good protagonist isn't necessarily about that. If you're watching Code Geass looking for the best written protagonist then that's kind of missing the point.

Oliver Hernandez
Oliver Hernandez

I'm almost certain that the people who praise Code Geass are those who watched it years ago as teenagers

You're surprisingly wrong about that.

anything more than schlock

There is some excessive praise, but your description is also excessively negative.

Looking back its hilarious how fucking chuuni this show is

You realize that practically all popular anime are can be described with this term?

how its no different

Not in that narrow sense above, but in other ways it is.

Elijah Nguyen
Elijah Nguyen

Geass is definitely above average and calling him just clown is more of a sign of your personal dislike for over-the-topness rather than anything close to a good description.

Elijah Lee
Elijah Lee

Most Code Geass characters contribute something, even in passing, which is about as much as most Jojo characters so you're really talking nonsense.

Henry Mitchell
Henry Mitchell

That's fine for you, but I'd say the proven fact that infinitely more people like Code Geass than either of those shows (much less Valvrave) already shows you're not giving it enough credit. But hey, that's just an opinion so feel free to have it.

Jackson Lopez
Jackson Lopez

Tatsuya is way more overpowered than Lelouch despite not having a Geass and the story makes him far too perfect. His personality isn't really interesting either. So nope, I didn't like Mahouka.

Connor Watson
Connor Watson

You're surprisingly wrong about that.
Not really. Its ranked highly on MAL for a reason because people saw it as teenagers and haven''t revisited it since much how Gundam SEED and SEED Destiny are also ranked highly on that site
There is some excessive praise, but your description is also excessively negative.
Actually its right on the dot. Code Geass has outright bad writing and characterization yet it gets praised because it came out at a time where people were very impressionable for anime but now that anime is everywhere and people are a lot more critical its seen as godsend. 10 years ago it was considered a sin to criticize works like Death Note but nowadays? People will freely admit that the series lost a lot of steam and the general premise pretty much requires everyone but the protagonist to be retarded. Code Geass is even worse in that aspect .
You realize that practically all popular anime are can be described with this term?
Yeah man Cowboy Bebop is chuuni as fuck
Not in that narrow sense above, but in other ways it is.
Not really, hell Code Geass was just ripping off what was popular at the time as well so it was no different from Aniplex shit like A/Z and GC.

Justin Torres
Justin Torres

Most Code Geass characters contribute something,
Yeah like Tamaki right?

Levi Williams
Levi Williams

That's your stupid opinion but a lot of people disagree given how popular he is and surely he must be a good character if people like him.

Logan Allen
Logan Allen

Tamaki is comic relief. Do you hate that?

Hunter Ortiz
Hunter Ortiz

It is stupid to like Tatsuya but he's still not popular enough.

Benjamin Miller
Benjamin Miller

He is better written than the likes of Inaho from AZ and Tatsuya from Mahouka

James King
James King

He's also a worthless character among others

Jacob Jackson
Jacob Jackson

I don't know what you define as "well written"- don't remember enough about objective Literature in general to know what that is. However, I can tell you Lelouch is one entertaining mother fucker- so much so that I'm sure if you even insert him in a Type Moon sex scene fan translated he'll be fabulous. He's one of the most entertaining characters in all of fiction tbqh.

David Reyes
David Reyes

Not really. Its ranked highly on MAL for a reason because people saw it as teenagers and haven''t revisited it since much how Gundam SEED and SEED Destiny are also ranked highly on that site
No, you are. High rankings on MAL do not tell you the age of the individuals giving out the rankings, nor do they tell you if people have rewatched it.

Actually its right on the dot. Code Geass has outright bad writing and characterization yet it gets praised because it came out at a time where people were very impressionable for anime

Of course you'd think your own opinion is perfect, but it is rather myopic. The writing has positives and negatives, not only negatives. Your argument is also contradictory. No, there never was a time when criticizing Death Note was considered a sin. It always had folks who did so. So to claim that the population as a whole is different in such respects is illogical. In any event, both it and Code Geass have a combination of flaws and things they did well. If you're just going to say everything is bad then good for you, but that's not an accurate explanation.

Cowboy Bebop
Some episodes are, pretty much.

Not really, hell Code Geass was just ripping off what was popular at the time as well so it was no different from Aniplex shit like A/Z and GC.

Nothing is truly original, that's true, but once again you're making the same mistake. A/Z and GC had far more problems not present in CG which kept them from becoming really big shows.

Leo Cook
Leo Cook

He is. Thanks for not even making an effort though.

Aaron Sanchez
Aaron Sanchez

Comedic relief is worthless
Man, you're both jaded and edgy as fuck.

William Parker
William Parker

Lelouch is a very good protagonist but that doesn't mean the writing is exceptional. Just good enough to make him work. I'd say the same about Jotaro and Joseph, to be honest.

Lucas Nelson
Lucas Nelson

Fought Empress Marianne, a lowborn one who married into royalty because of her martial abilities
Highly successful military career
Lead purebloods
Ran all of an area
Fights on level of the rounds
50% man
50% machine
100% motherfucking loyalty

Joseph Bailey
Joseph Bailey

How was he supposed to learn about Marianne's fate? Nobody ever told him.

Nathaniel Garcia
Nathaniel Garcia

High rankings on MAL do not tell you the age of the individuals giving out the rankings
Actually it does. That's why the review systems exists. Kids rate something highly by spamming while you can just read the reviews. Its easy to say something its good its much harder to say why it is.
Of course you'd think your own opinion is perfect, but it is rather myopic.
I don't have any reason to believe I'm wrong.
. The writing has positives and negatives, not only negatives.
Yes yes I already know that you're the retard that doesn't want to take a stance against anything. I'm saying that the writing is shit period I'm not a wishy washy dipshit like you who can't take a stance against anything if you want to prove me wrong go right ahead but Code Geass had outright bad writing.
Your argument is also contradictory
Nope
No, there never was a time when criticizing Death Note was considered a sin. It always had folks who did so
Wrong again. Death Note had vultures who would attack anyone who would criticize it and they were quickly drowned out but once people actually rewatched the show they've seen that the show had a lot of flaws in its writing. So far I've seen several people ho watched Code Geass when they're of age and they agree that its not a good show and the people who thought it was good are those who thought it was so bad its good. The only people who laud it as a masterpiece are people who watch it as teenagers and never revisited it and if they did their impressions are based entirely on nostalgia.
If you're just going to say everything is bad then good for you, but that's not an accurate explanation.
Actually it is. And until you actually prove me wrong don't bother quoting me with your typical wishy washy bullshit.
Some episodes are, pretty much.
Nope. Code Geass followed the chuuni mashups to a tee, Cowboy Bebop was pretty grounded all things considered.
A/Z and GC had far more problems not present in CG
Nope

Thomas Barnes
Thomas Barnes

Not liking bad worthless characters makesyou edgy

Okay
Meme response
I expected as much
What the fuck kind of response is this? I'm pointing out the fact that the character ius a fucking joke that doesn't even realize what he's fighting for and dumbfucks like you take it seriously.

Nathan Campbell
Nathan Campbell

It doesn't, Because there are differences of opinion at all ages. A review is not automatically better for giving out a lower rating, nor do you need to be older in order to give a low score.

A nuanced stance is better than an extreme one. Is there some bad writing in Code Geass then? Yes. I am not denything that. Is there some good? Yes. The idea that you think taking a stance is only valid in a binary fashion shows how limited your way of thinking is

Honestly, if you're even denying that people had complaints against Death Note back when it aired then that just means you, as an individual, ignored anything that didn't fit your opinion. Which it seems you're still doing now, except in the opposite direction.

So far I've seen several people ho watched Code Geass when they're of age and they agree that its not a good show and the people who thought it was good are those who thought it was so bad its good

Then you must be in an echo chamber, because several people have also found it to be good and yet they don't have to think it's a masterpiece. The idea that if something isn't perfect then everything about it has to be terrible doesn't make you more mature or wiser.

You're not really debating. Just stating an opinion as a fact, over and over.

Chase Roberts
Chase Roberts

complains about chuuni and posts a OPM image

Logan Carter
Logan Carter

Everything in that post just proves you have no sense of humor and take everything too seriously for your own health.

Blake Hill
Blake Hill

Code Geass followed the chuuni mashups to a tee, Cowboy Bebop was pretty grounded all things considered
Mushroom Samba and Pierrot Le Fou
grounded

Lucas Hall
Lucas Hall

It does. People's impressions always change within age and to deny this makes you look like a jackass. So everyone who gave Code Geass a high mark was a 30 year old man who's watched over 1000 anime is basically what you're saying

Not really because you're not proving anything. What good writing is in Code Geass then? I can pretty much prove why you're wrong in that assertion

Where did I deny that? I literally fucking said in that post that detractors were drowned out back then which happens to every highly praised show.

Several people you mean your imaginary?

And there you go with that wishy washy attitude.

Joseph Taylor
Joseph Taylor

You're not really paying enough attention then. Age is one variable, but it is not the only factor that influences people's opinions and ratings. For example, there are people who gave Code Geass low ratings even as teenagers and there are adults who gave it higher ratings too. It's also not just a matter of teenagers and people in their 30s. There's plenty of people in their 20s with both types of opinions and everything in between.

Neither are you. You're making assertions about Code Geass and so am I. Like I've said, there are both types of writing in the show. I can prove that too.

In your first posts. You're making it sound like the only criticisms were nearly impossible to find or in some little secret corner of the Internet.

No more imaginary than those you're talking about.

Better to be "wishy washy" than angry.

Grayson Sanders
Grayson Sanders

A celebration of black exploitation films
A horror episode
chuuni
Okay

Gabriel Ramirez
Gabriel Ramirez

Considering a few of criticisms can be no more mature than THIS SHOW IS GAY, IT HAS NOODLE PEOPLE and Frodos...that's no more about than BEST SHOW EVER 10/10.

Luke Walker
Luke Walker

black exploitation films
horror
grounded
Okay

Alexander Bell
Alexander Bell

*no more about age

Joseph Rogers
Joseph Rogers

It's likely most Code Geass fans were initially either teenagers or college students, so a little older than that but not too much. There are reasons to consider it good today, but anyone who thinks it's literally a masterpiece is deluding themselves though. It had too many weaknesses or flaws for that.

Jason Howard
Jason Howard

Lelouch has more flaws, as a character and a person, than Inaho. Both of them have special eyes, but only Inaho gets an almost perfect record of victories. He also has practically no charisma, which is something that Lelouch had in excess.

Zachary Hughes
Zachary Hughes

Orange is supposed to be mostly a joke character, especially after his fall from grace.

That's how the staff increasingly treated him, even breaking the fourth wall a little. It's only stupid if you find no amusement in it.

Nicholas Kelly
Nicholas Kelly

anime
not chuuni

Levi Myers
Levi Myers

Nice strawman
You can't even prove that you're just saying people did because is the only way your stance would make sense.

And yet you give no example of good writing

So you're just going to ignore the fact that I said that their were dteractors and they were drown out? Okay

Yeah except that the notion tha teenagers like to indulge in shit is more believable

I've made my peace with the quality of the series you haven't

Isaiah Wilson
Isaiah Wilson

Not a strawman, because I never said all criticisms are like that. But some of those exist and they're not mature.

Jose Murphy
Jose Murphy

Proof is notably absent from your side of the discussion. Why should you be asking for proof and not giving any?

You said it was a sin. That was never true.

Of course they like to indulge, as do some adults, but that's not enough of an explanation.

Point is, you simply sound too cynical, reactive and aggressive with all other opinions to have "made your peace" with anything.

William James
William James

Good writing:
Lelouch dislikes Euphemia's plan and sets up a way to sabotage it. He has the Black Knights on stand by to enter the stadium.

Bad writing:
Lelouch suddenly telling Euphemia to kill all the Japanese. What the fuck, man?

Good writing:
Lelouch deciding to kill Euphemia, re-affirming his path and continuing with the preparations to take over the city.

Christopher Myers
Christopher Myers

gets his shit handled on a plate
meme respond

Nicholas Adams
Nicholas Adams

gets his shit handled on a plate
Nothing you posted refueted the post

Aiden Collins
Aiden Collins

At least Lelouch didn't die a dogs death.

Nolan Campbell
Nolan Campbell

His body was probably ripped apart by the angry mob and his head mounted on a spike or some shit. That's how tyrants get treated after their death.

Lucas Martin
Lucas Martin

Ikr, that was kinda forced to make the story go on. There was better ways to disrupt Euphie's plan.

Hudson Phillips
Hudson Phillips

Yeah. I liked what happened before and after, but that moment was disappointing.

Kayden Perry
Kayden Perry

Nice bait

Eli Cooper
Eli Cooper

You're trying too hard to sound like an adult.
Literally everyone on this site.

Ethan Moore
Ethan Moore

He's just really hammy.

Gavin Lewis
Gavin Lewis

implying one cannot unironically enjoy an albeit over the top and hammy show without having fun

Adrian Sanchez
Adrian Sanchez

It's the most entertaining anime I've ever watched, and Lelouch is the msot entertaining character I've ever watched. I love Code Geass. But well written? Im not sure. What exavtly constitutes a well written character anyways?

Isaiah Davis
Isaiah Davis

You mean antagonist, right?

Nicholas Hill
Nicholas Hill

youtube.com/watch?v=XHViAiVuDsA

Asher Barnes
Asher Barnes

Lelouch a good MC but CC is the best girl ever

Leo Turner
Leo Turner

If dubs Ougi will die

Dylan Watson
Dylan Watson

Josuke gets less screentime than Kouichi and Rohan

Never will understand the stupid fuckers who spout this shit. Diamond is Unbreakable is made up of 26 story arcs over 174 chapters, and Rohan, for example, shows up in FIVE of those arcs. That's it.

And Koichi, though he has a decent amount of screentime in the first half, tends to completely dissapear oronly feature as the Speedwagon (tm) screaming gallery in the second half, when he even bothers to show up. Even in the first half when he's around Josuke usually is too.

Luis Lewis
Luis Lewis

This,

Schneizel made so much more sense

Ryan Lopez
Ryan Lopez

Josuke is the main lead and is mostly just a bystander

MC status (revolving around him):
-Angelo
-Nijimura Brothers
-Surface
-Splits Eat 'Italian' evenly with Okuyasu
-Has most of the action and focus in Red Hot Chili Peppers
-Splits 'Found Something Dangerous' equally with Oldseph
-Takes most of the focus during 'Ratt/Hunting', with Jotaro being the nature guide
-Shares Harvest equally with Okuyasu (and Shigechii)
-Splits Atom Heart Father equally with Jotaro
-MC in I Am An Alien
-MC in Highway Star
-MC in Let's Live on A Tower/SuperFly
-MC in Enigma Boy except for the very end when Yuuya takes over for 2 chapters
-MC of Crazy D. Is Unbreakable

Koichi

-Echoes/Tamami
-Yukako in Love
-Manga-ka's House
-Splits Rohan;s Adventure
-Takes a small role in Cinderella, which is more Yukako's chapter
-Sheer Heart Attack

The Josuke isn't the MC of DiU and/or has no screentime compared to Koichi and others is fuckng retarded.

Adrian Cox
Adrian Cox

If you believe in nuking .

Michael Rodriguez
Michael Rodriguez

kek

Caleb Evans
Caleb Evans

Lelouch is definitely the most complex character of any anime i have ever watched, and I personally consider Code Geass as an unrivaled masterpiece

Jose Butler
Jose Butler

there is nothing wrong with saving the people from their suffering, by hasty decisions in war with terrorists.

Jace Ross
Jace Ross

MC status (revolving around him):
Nijimura Brothers
-Surface
-Splits Eat 'Italian' evenly with Okuyasu
Eat 'Italian'
Harvest
Atom Heart Father

Also "appearing in arc =/= MC status"

Henry Williams
Henry Williams

It went over almost everyone's heads but Natsuki Subaru is a fantastically written character.

Ethan Thomas
Ethan Thomas

Natsuki Subaru is a busta.

Jordan Thompson
Jordan Thompson

Josuke is only relevant in filler fights and the last battle
Kouichi is relevant is all story related fights, the main crux of the arc, and the fucking climax of it all

And retards still think He's the MC.

Robert Thomas
Robert Thomas

Lelouch is actually a well written character and his conflict with Suzaku is well done. The way Lelouch gradually loses more and more control of the situation and comes to terms with his limits and matures is well written too.

Jose Fisher
Jose Fisher

An antagonist is just the character opposing the protagonist. Even if you consider Lelouch the villain, that makes him an antihero.

Zachary Ramirez
Zachary Ramirez

I Don't think the RHCP arc counts as filler as the stand was already established in Bad company.

Jeremiah Gray
Jeremiah Gray

on this site.
on the internet*

Sebastian Carter
Sebastian Carter

Not even top 1000

Noah Robinson
Noah Robinson

Nijimura Brothers

How is it not Josuke's arc? Or if it isn't, whose is it? Koichi's knocked unconscious in the first of 10 chapters, Okuyasu shows up for 3 of the 10 chapters, and gets knocked the fuck out in 3 pages BOTH times, and Keicho is the villain of the week. Meanwhile, everything is from Josuke's perspective and he drives the action.

Surface

Same as above. Koichi is neurotic and gets knocked out in 3 or 4 pages, and the entire action/focus/mindset is Josuke.

-Splits Eat 'Italian' evenly with Okuyasu

Okuyasu is the 'victim of the week' with all of Pearl Jam's shit happening to him for comedy, while Josuke is the one who takes action and actually goes to investigate and "fight" Tonio (despite the fight not happening).

Same for Harvest, where Shigechi is the villain and Okuyasu does nothing whatsoever, and Atom Heart, where although Jotaro solves the final problem,all the action taken previously was by Josuke.

Josuke is only relevant in filler fights and the last battle

The first "story arc" of part 4 is the bow and arrow, and taking it back, which is ALL Josuke. The only arcs Koichi gets there are to introduce is Stand (Echoes and Yukako in love, which are both "pointless filler" by your definition).

Kouichi is relevant is all story related fights, the main crux of the arc, and the fucking climax of it all

Echoes, Yukako in Love, Rohan's House, and Cinderella are all pointless filler by your definition.

Rohan's Adventure was the very beginning of the 2nd plot, and Koichi was mostly tagging along for Rohan to be the lead. And Sheer Heart Attack, although admittedly very important, was the first time Koichi had appeared or done shit for ages. So, it's more like Koichi barely does anything and is the tagging along background character you claim Josuke is, it just so happens the ONLY time hes around and important is the halfway climax of the Kira arc.

Elijah Robinson
Elijah Robinson

He's not that well written at all. However, he is charming enough to compensate, which is all you really need.

Wyatt Miller
Wyatt Miller

I haven't watched the show in years, but I don't remember him being particularly well-written. Probably better than the average MC though

Zachary Howard
Zachary Howard

But he is well written.

Jack Lewis
Jack Lewis

Oh yeah, name 1000 protags.

James Perry
James Perry

Nope

Levi Brown
Levi Brown

Lelouch was amazingly entertaining in his tragic flamboyance, but I'm more of a Guts man.

Zachary Flores
Zachary Flores

By the end of the series Light had no redeeming qualities left, he just wanted to rule the world. I fucking despise him with every fibber of my being I was so happy to see him die like a little bitch. Lelouch atleast was still likable and died on his own terms and made the world a better place in the process.

Zachary Turner
Zachary Turner

Yeah but he didn't cry like a little bitch.

Ayden Nelson
Ayden Nelson

Kiritsugu

Julian Gutierrez
Julian Gutierrez

No one's saying you have to like him. But you are actually fucking chastising people for liking a fun character, who in my opinion, had some amazing character development that made him one of my favorites of the series.

His character is a fucking joke that doesn't even realize what he's fighting for

He knows full well what he's fighting for. The person he valued just so happened to be a completely different person than he thought. What? You have never been lied to? What if you found out your mommy was cheating on your dad and getting schlonged by a big black man on the weekends? Oh man, you must be so fucking stupid to not see that one coming right?

Joshua Adams
Joshua Adams

. But you are actually fucking chastising people for liking a fun character,
What's considered "fun character" is subjective as fuck. We have people in this thread saying Tatsuya was a fun character due to how bad he was. I'm chasting you for liking a shitty character and passing him off as good.
had some amazing character development that made him one of my favorites of the series.
So you're a fucking pleb who don't know what he's talking about. Okay

He knows full well what he's fighting for
No he doesn't in fact his entire mantra is based on a huge farce and is a complete contradiction of what they set him up. Almost like they never planned to give him anything such because what transpires in R2 only serves to point out what a fucking joke his character is. So yes you are a fucking dumbass for liking a shitty character and you are an even bigger dumbass for defending him.

Camden Richardson
Camden Richardson

How is it not Josuke's arc?
Because it has nothing to do with Josuke and more to do with the Nijimura Brothers and there backstory and motivation. Josuke is just a bustander

Same as above.
Yeah he's a bystander. Next\\

stuff

Once again the bystander. The fights themselves has nothing to do with Josuke and the target isn't even him

The first "story arc" of part 4 is the bow and arrow, and taking it back, which is ALL Josuke.

Wrong again dumbfuck and those fights are the very definition of filler. By the way where was Josuke during Reimi's intro? You know the character who is the crux to this entire arc? Where was Josuke during teh first confrontation of Kira?

Echoes, Yukako in Love, Rohan's House, and Cinderella are all pointless filler by your definition.

Nope that's just you being stupid.

Boy I can't wait until Part 5 where you'll say Giorno is the most important and relevant character and Bruno is just a side character

Alexander Price
Alexander Price

When you grow up, you come to stop caring so much what other people like and don't like.

Ethan Jones
Ethan Jones

You have your own opinion that's different than mine! PLEB!

This is advanced autism right here

John Myers
John Myers

Over emphasizing with size 76 caps lock

cringe

Kevin Wood
Kevin Wood

No but he's probably best and most enjoyable to watch.

Wish there were more anime with ambitious MCs like him. The royalty and family rivalry adds a lot too.

Noah Ward
Noah Ward

whatever people's opinion of the show are but that hairstyle is absolutely kawaii

Jason Cooper
Jason Cooper

Cringe

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Jonathan Morales
Jonathan Morales

I rewatch regularly fearing I'll find flaws, but it stays my favorite
Exact same here. The one thing that gets me every time though is how often they talk to each other from mech to mech, makes it seem like a shitty shonen. That's mostly just a flaw of the genre though.

Josiah Russell
Josiah Russell

Cringe

You don't belong here either.

Liam Ward
Liam Ward

For a show that panders to NEETs who want escapism, they did a really good job with him. Made the show a shitload more enjoyable than having another self insert MC.

Christian Hughes
Christian Hughes

He's okay for a generic shonen. He's better than the typical Shinji-clone but he's still pretty bad overall.

William Howard
William Howard

Haha, fuck no.

Logan Stewart
Logan Stewart

What? Light isn't meant to be sympathetic, nig. He gets worse and worse as he kills and wins. Because regardless of intentions or consequences (a better world, which arguably Kira was achieving [muh 70% world crime rate drop, end of wars, Kira worshippers which may include looneys but likely does include many people helped through his actions, character comments on how everything went back to normal because Kira was necessary to maintain this order], though these are all secondary in concern within the series) intelligance, or talents, the aims are attained by Light being a horrible person. He became a sociopathic serial killer. The series said the DN would lead to misfortune and that turned out to be the case.

That's the charm though, seeing an exceptional protagonist obtain such power and not only what he does but how it affects him. His sense of justice becomes warped, his arrogance (face it, the project was arrogant from the beginning but wanting to be GOD cements that) gives way to megalomania, so ruthlessly ambitious he would risk his own family and even tried manipulating his pop on his deathbed, cold and methodical but with a childish desire to win.

Joseph Jenkins
Joseph Jenkins

cont.
Light was running the show in the second half, it was only necessary to consolidate the power he had. We can think of a number of ways he could have come out victorious, but perhaps his failure was inevitable for deciding to utilize the Death Note in the first place.

Light and Lelouch are a number of similarities but have their differences and different journeys which lead to different conclusions. But I don't think Light could ever be 'likable' like Lelouch is 'likable', though I enjoy both characters.

Justin Fisher
Justin Fisher

I know he wasn't meant to be sympathetic, I guess my main problem is when other people start saying how great he is and how he should have won and he shouldn't have died. They completely miss the point of his character, which fills me with irrational rage.

Julian Cox
Julian Cox

you're just blue-pilled. Imagine it happened in our world. Had he won, humanity as a whole would be much better.

Robert Thomas
Robert Thomas

cont.
I will concede the fact that in regards to what you said he is well written for the most part but the fact that people often miss the point of his character and idolize him just ruins him as a character to me.

Christopher Sullivan
Christopher Sullivan

well written, but overrated.

Cameron Gutierrez
Cameron Gutierrez

That's how I sometimes feel about the way people talk about Lelouch. I personally wouldn't mind a Light wins ending in the sense that he achieves his aims while having to suffer in some manner, sort of like Lelouch. But the best opportunity for that was with Light vs L. The story kept going so Light was going to go down eventually. It's only a matter of how it happens and how it happened is still controversial.
Maybe, there's evidence it would be better in ways but also that it would be nightmarish. It never comes into fruition so we don't know. Light thought Mikami was going too far but also going too far ahead. Light is meticulous but also deranged. It's all in the background anyway so you can decide for yourself.
idolize
It's all fun to kick back and enjoy the show, but Light was a wicked son of a bitch. That's not contestable. Even Near thinks he's certainly amazing for a criminal, however that same character concludes he's a crazy mass murderer. They're both true.

I don't notice his idolization so much anymore while still seeing Lelouch get similar treatment, maybe because CG is getting a resurge now. And while he's more a sympathetic character, he has 'supervillain' written all over him so I can't idolize him either. As long as it's for fun, it's cool. Otherwise they should read more fiction and wonder why characters are treated similarly.

Easton Moore
Easton Moore

Other characters like them, that is. Antiheroes like Raskolnikov and Edmond Dantes.

Gavin Lopez
Gavin Lopez

savage

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