Why is Peterson so bluepilled ?

Listen to him rambling about Hitler.

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Why is it that highly specialized people in the academia feel like they can have their take on any subject, even though it's not in their specter of skills ?

Is Peterson nothing but a faggot ?

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Peterson still believes classical liberalism has a future. He's willing to entertain that individual psychology has immutable elements, but believes that conflicts withing and between individuals can be mediated by discource. Fine. But he does not seem to appreciate group psychology, does not think there are immutable group dynamics, and to the extend that group dynamics exist, he thinks individualism is the universal cure.

I think that the claim that group identity can be voluntarily expunged in favor of pure individual identity is as absurd as a man claiming an identity as a woman. And the former is likely to have similarly disastrous consequences for society.

But at least we won't be eevul Nazis, amirite?

the "hitler being a good guy" thing is mostly a meme. it's true he wasn't nearly as "evil" as the media makes him out to be, he was no worse than any lefty communist, for example, but at the end of the day he was a tyrannical ruler. you might LARP but you wouldn't really want to live in an authoritarian fascist society. i admit it's better than living in any sort of far left communist society, but still not a positive thing.

also he was pretty lefty himself at the end of the day

The haircut makes it pretty ironic

>dat pic

Why are white women such uncultured slutty snobbish swines? Asian women would NEVER act like that, also arab women. Only niggers and white women act like gutter trash

>taking 'hitler did nothing wrong' seriously

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Hitler's tabletalks were bought up by a Jew and the actual books are in a private collection.

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brap

We need some form of government/legal control over public indecency and absolutely degenerate behavior that is causing our society to regress into third world status. We also need some control over media, entertainment, etc. to keep zionist maniacs from having so much control and enacting Frankfurt School-style takeover of our country's moral compass. The Constitution was a fantastic experiment but it has ultimately failed to account for what we are now faced with today and we need to get control. The only problem is, the rats in government would have to be removed, which would mean like 90% of our government. Hence, I do not think this will be possible unless a major, catastrophic event occurs.

Peterson is a fucking brainlet and he talks like a frog

He likes to spout dumb gay shit that slightly echoes the 1960's cultural revolution but is put into the context of alt-lite faggotry.

You'll notice everything he spews ultimately maintains the system.

Probably a good pathway to the alt-right for normies. I still don't like him and think he's a little faggot

But what if you are one of the people without a collective instinct or have always felt alienated? Those are the types of people who become ancaps or libertarians.

That's why I just cherrypick the things he says that are actually intelligent and ignore his ramblings about Hitler and the Holocaust.

>Soviet union and the iron curtain fall in 1991
>Auschwitz completely debunked in 1992
>6 - 4 = 6

Molyneux talked about this, about how people in certain times couldn't speak out because of the powers that be. Aristotle couldn't speak out against slavery because that would carry a death sentence. Public people who talk about the Jews get destroyed or killed, if they speak any actual truths.

I'm unsure how much Peterson acts or actually knows, but he sure as fuck isn't going to deny the holocaust of (((H3H3))) entertainment.

It's called being anti-social. Those are the type of people that either fuck off innawoods, become criminals, or become dissidents that subvert peace and order as they inflict their neurosis on everyone else.

Homo Sapiens are social animals. If you can't function within a tribe, you are a defective human. Defectives who couldn't become socialized were exiled, or smashed in the head with a rock. Good riddance.

So what do you do if you are one of these anti socials in an era becoming more and more collectivist and group minded?

>Probably a good pathway to the alt-right for normies

alt-right mastermind in action

You go on Sup Forums with other similar individuals.

There's nothing inherently wrong with collectivism, in fact it's just logical that people acting together as a group get more done than lone wolves, due to specialization of people good at different things etc.

The problem is the use of force. VOLUNTARY collectivism involves smart people who want things done having to convince a large enough number of people to dedicate their resources and time towards reaching a specific goal. INVOLUNTARY collectivism is just give me your money so I can pursue my goals, I'll destroy your life if you don't. Taxation.

I don't see anything wrong with collectivism as long as it's voluntary and therefore optional.

>DUDE LETS JUST REMOVE LE CONSTITUTION LMAO

spotted the leftist gtfo go go go go go

why does anyone ignore the JQ?

for shekels of course

>Is Peterson nothing but a faggot ?
yep

But most collectivism is forced though not voluntary.

Are you colorblind? She's brown

This guy got it right.

Yeah, that's the argument I just made. Look at kickstarter. Plenty of good stuff came out of that, things people actually wanted and enjoyed. They weren't forced to pay for it. Shitty projects? They don't get funded most of the time, and if they did, it doesn't affect people who thought it was stupid.

If someone wants to spend 75 dollars on a Zen egg, that's fine with me. Just don't make me pay 300 dollars so everyone can get one against their will.

Less leaf chat, more brrrappp chat you flaming homosexual

Stop being anti-social. Read something other than Enlightenment philosophy. OR suicide is always an option.

You are born into a collective. You don't get to chose certain levels of association. As long as you live within society, you do not get to chose the terms by which society lives with you. Your continuum of your family and culture are pre-determined associations--not voluntary. Defying them is to defy yourself. Individualism is a neurotic delusion like gender dysphoria. It fails to recognize reality that transcends ones subjective impulses. "I'm an individual because I don't FEEL like a member of a group."

Any true individualist needs to go into the mountains an not bother anyone anymore. Everyone else needs to get over themselves, and learn to play with others.

I urge you to read up on the Übermensch. You are grossly underrating the importance of individualism and what good it can create for humanity as a whole.

But it's not because of what I read. It's because of how I feel, my lack of a herd instinct, and how my peers and the system have treated me. My peers and their parents are awful and I don't simply care anymore. The school system tried to brainwash me all my life into this whole teamwork groupwork thing.

>You are born into a collective. You don't get to chose certain levels of association. As long as you live within society, you do not get to chose the terms by which society lives with you. Your continuum of your family and culture are pre-determined associations--not voluntary. Defying them is to defy yourself. Individualism is a neurotic delusion like gender dysphoria. It fails to recognize reality that transcends ones subjective impulses. "I'm an individual because I don't FEEL like a member of a group."

What's your point? All I see is a is bunch of assertions. How does that contradict anything I just said? What's the argument?

>Any true individualist needs to go into the mountains an not bother anyone anymore. Everyone else needs to get over themselves, and learn to play with others.

So you're saying that if there's a group and you're born into it, it's okay for them to force you to do what they want? What?

He rags on him but tells everyone to read his works, very smart if you ask me

And you need to reread the concept of becoming. The Overman does not simply do whatever he wants--any idiot can obliviously run amok like a blind fool. You cannot overcome is you are in denial about reality. The individual thrives in a thriving society. In our sick societies, the individual is seen as a potential refuge from societal decline--"everything around me if falling apart, but I can maintain myself". The problem is that not matter how strong the individual, if the society dies, he will die with it, because individualism is a lie. If you want to thrive as an individual, be heroic, not a roaming barbarian. No great man ever lived alone in a cabin while the world burned--any coward can do the same.

>So you're saying that if there's a group and you're born into it, it's okay for them to force you to do what they want? What?
What they want? Yes. Whatever they want? No. The socialized person seeks to understand the duties placed upon him. The anti-social person gets indignant at all external impositions, regardless of their purpose or wisdom.

The point is that the liberal recognizes no legitimate limits on personal freedom. The liberal seeks liberation from any and all constrains, be they societal, sexual, physical, or metaphysical. Liberalism is the infinite quest for emancipation from being itself.

Can you be evil if you truly believe you are doing the right thing?

>Hitler... was a tyrannical ruler
1. Of course, because the utility of fascism is to have a strong ruler that can mobilize the entire resources of a country to meet an acute challenge, usually wartime. Notice that in WW2, FDR used fascistic control of production to get things done and he did some things still cause pearl clutching today.
2. 1930's Germany was mobilizing in order to confront and defeat the threat of Jewish Communism. Internal and external.
3. Pic related fucked it all up and got us on board with destroying Germany and killing millions of whites unnecessarily.
4. After WW2 the US had to fight a cold war to counter Jewish Communism, because that was the threat all along.
5. So no, Hitler wasn't a good guy, but he was doing what was necessary.

No you leaf faggot, I'm stating the obvious. It has been torn to shreds and exists only in spirit these days. It needs to be superceded with something better if we are to survive. Don't you ever fucking talk about my country you abomination. You are my fucking toilet.

Fucking brilliant argument.

I will be using that when arguing with individualists in the future.

(For the record, I'm pro-fascist, not pro-NSDAP.)

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But if saving that society means the society in turn persecutes me it's futile.

Nazis were leftist socialist Jew haters. USA is number 1, democracy will triump! Deal with it haters. #BasedTrump #Trump2020 #BasedIsrael #Fuckmudslimes

>a tyrannical ruler.

nope. authoritarianism is not tyrannical you retard

He's a standard western liberal, he only stands out because the rest of the academia in Cucknada is batshit insane.

this

also, educate yourself on the eternal German and the threat they pose to society

Hitler sided with Arabs and Japs at the expense of Russians and other Slavs. He didn’t give a fuck about greater Europe or white people. Fuck him.

Well you're Hungarian, and as a group you guys are retarded so yeah.

>The Overman does not simply do whatever he wants
On the contrary, that is exactly what he's supposed to do. The important core concept of this idea revolves around the creation of morals.
If you lose or suppress this individuality, you lose the ability to correct corruption that naturally occurs in a collective. It has to be repaired every now and then, or grave injustices manifest themselves under totalitarian rule.

>Is Peterson nothing but a faggot ?
The dude sells 1990's woman magazine personality tests for 10 $ and tells idiots to clean their rooms, he and his fsnboyd are retarded

Seriously...

>Is Peterson nothing but a faggot ?
Yeah pretty much, lukewarm and boring pseudo-intellectual, no idea why people love this faggot, very underwhelming and incredibly overrated. "Heh heh *Snort* but he BTFO dem SJW's!" Who fucking cares, he's lame and as you say, incredibly blue pilled on race, WW2 and basically everything, he's about as clued up on the world as these 'skeptic' YouTubers like Soyboy of Akkad. Boring.

Everyone is bluepilled in some way shape or form. Like the hyper-hypocritical American Christcucks on Sup Forums.

>it's futile.
It certainly could be futile. No less futile than wasting away as an atomized shell of a human being. The futile struggle is if nothing else more A E S T H E T I C than surrender. Suicide is always an option too.

It helps to remember that reason society is collapsing is BECAUSE OF INDIVIDUALISM. You can't fight individualism with more individualism. There are many options to combat individualism. You can start with felial piety, religion is another option, identitarianism, or if you truly think you have been orphaned and your native society is all but extinct, you could seek out a new collective that is willing to accept you. People CAN be adopted by another tribe.

And anyone who successfully creates new morals will naturally attract a collective that will organize around those new values. Most people cannot originate values, hence the natural formation of hierarchies around those who can. There's no escaping societization. If you truly are an Overman, you will accidentally form the basis of a new society. That's how you tell the difference between an Overman and a someone who is just an anti-social hermit who lives in the woods and talks to squirrels all day.

You are wise Slavbro, let us consider this further...

The Overman must escape from society before he can return. He must find morality independently, so that he can replenish (or if necessary; replace) the decaying moral foundations of the collective he has escaped.

Upon his descent however, the collective will want to annihilate him on sight. How does one deal with this.

His morals and values are excellent. For a homogeneous white society. That kind of liberalism doesn't work in real life multicultural societies, however. That kind of virtue doesn't work when everyone else is degenerate. You don't stop a horde of muslims from raping you by being an individualist. You don't get to find a mate and procreate by always telling the truth.

He's very right about one thing, though. Cleaning your home is important. Just remember that your country is your home, and the trash in it are dark humans.

But I suffered from collectivism not individualism. I suffered from my peers and their rigid standards of normality. I suffered from a school system trying to force conformity down my throat. I always had a strong family and people close to me. The rest of society is shit and can go to hell as far as I can tell.

Nothing can remove suffering. We can only minimize it. Maybe you must suffer so your peers can be happy.

>If you truly are an Overman, you will accidentally form the basis of a new society
So we are on the same page? I hold what you said there as something deeply valuable that should not be undermined in any circumstance but the most dire (like is done in the military for dire times).
Would you not agree that this capacity to create new perspectives is very important to maintain a healthy evolving society?
I posit that a government in itself is incapable of iterating upon the society's values, and needs these individuals to exist.

Also, on a related note to this idea, here's an interesting video covering conformity: youtube.com/watch?v=ARGczzoPASo

He was no "tyrant" for "forcing" his nation to be free from kikedom. SIEG HEIL \o

And I should accept that why? I live in my own reality and in my own life. If I should suffer to make them happy they can shove it.

ok, Ivan. Quality post, please come again.

>And I should accept that why?
You shouldn't. I'm not trying to bend you to my will. It's the hundreds of others who read my messages but leave none themselves that I'm more interested in. I can be happy with them, even if you can't.

Your peers have a rigid dogma of individualism. The current order is an elaborate mechanism to allow white liberals to feel morally superior to everyone, yes, even to brown people. The leftist embrace of NON-white identitarianism is vanity for white individualists. They are masturbatory ascetics--they deny THEMSELVES group identity because they believe in the moral purity of individualism. They promote group identity for everyone else because when juxtaposed with non-white identity politics, the white individualist shines even brighter as a paragon of individualist virtue.

You're not fighting a collective. You're fighting an aimless stampede of individualists.

>4. After WW2 the US had to fight a cold war to counter Jewish Communism, because that was the threat all along.

If you genuinely think this there is no hope for you. Both USA & USSR were/are ZOG'd well before WWII

her eating that cheese like that makes me feel sick for some reason

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>They promote group identity for everyone else because when juxtaposed with non-white identity politics, the white individualist shines even brighter as a paragon of individualist virtue.
That's retarded. Humans don't have such deep and insidious motivations behind their actions. Liberals act the way they do because it makes them feel good. And that's because they think it's the right thing to do. They've been raised and taught to have a set of values, and those values steer their politics now.

He's fighting the SJWs but I cannot stand how his voice sounds or that he seems to be genuinely amazed by everything that comes out of his own mouth.

>"The internet, man. WOW, I mean this is just amazing"

What motive do I have not to place myself above them every time? It's them or me and I choose me.

>Would you not agree that this capacity to create new perspectives is very important to maintain a healthy evolving society?
Certainly, but societal change is a darwinian dance of evolving institutions adapting to changing circumstances. Rarely does one individual dramatically alter the course of that organic change. It's a liberal conceit that government and civil society are two completely separate things. The insistence that they are separate caused a growing toxic antagonism between the two.

I'm not saying I'm in any way smarter than him but to assume that he's in expert in everything because he has a PhD is honestly so arrogant. He specialised in one field, that's it. That doesn't make him a brainiac, it just makes him someone who is very knowledgeable in his field of studies.

Says the fucking merchant

He sounds like his balls haven't dropped desu and he also sounds like he got beat up one too many times as a child.

>Liberals act the way they do because it makes them feel good.
That's really all I said. It makes them feel good to be morally superior. Individualism is morally superior to collectivism. White liberals still feel superior to non-whites, which is why they act so paternalistic towards them. Pity is the ugliest sentiment one can have.

hes a fine beginners dose of the redpill

J Peterson would say yes

You're not putting YOURSELF above them. You're in fact putting a notion of the collective above them. For instance, fighting leftists for the sake of the preservation of western civilization is placing a collective conscience above those squabbling individuals.

>>"The internet, man. WOW, I mean this is just amazing"
It is amazing. When you truly become an expert in some field, you'll realize how narrow your knowledge is. You'll realize that you know so much of this single thing, but it can be applied to so very little. When you then look around, you'll see thousands of objects, all of which have required countless engineers and scientists with similar levels of knowledge in their respective fields as you have in yours. There are literally millions of such objects between you and me right now, all of which have to work for us to be able to communicate almost instantly over ten thousand kilometers.

Dunning Kruger

it's why every english lit. professor thinks they understand politics, philosophy, and economics perfectly

Feeling morally superior is what everyone does. Except maybe moral relativists, but they are idiots. If you didn't feel your values were superior to other people, I'm sure you'd change them.

The eagle does not concern himself with the chickens.

Well said.

Atomized individualism is a sickness.

fpbp

hes a genius
and is a kekistani at heart
i will always like the rambling dude

How about airplanes?

>Rarely does one individual dramatically alter the course of that organic change
My stance is that the individual, by creating his new morals, and as you said attracting conformists around his ideas, spreads these new aspects through society in an important way.
To take a weak, silly example; if we never allow anyone to question whether society's dogmatic belief in a flat earth is warranted or not, we will not give our collective cultural blessing toward research that challenges this claim - it might never be proven false as a result, except in this case mayhaps by accidental discovery. And even then, if someone makes this discovery and would be killed for expressing it, your society directly suffers from this evildoing.
And don't get me wrong, I think collectivism has it's merits - after all, it is the breeding ground for individualism to rise in the first place, and it also gives the necessary security before someone can develop confidence in his own ideas.

Except my individualism isn't completely atomized. It's small tribalism over the rest of the group. Cooperate with those in the small ingroup. The rest of the outgroup can take a hike.

Pro tip: watching a 6 hour long youtube """""documentary""""" on Hitler does not make you redpilled.

"The Greatest Story Never Told" was bullshit propaganda and I'd say about 40% of Sup Forums users ate it up

>frog liking Hitler

yeah you vichy scumbags were nazi allies

>Probably a good pathway to the alt-right for normies.
that's the point. you can go full power level and expect normies to not get instantly put off. these stepping stones are needed to get redpilled.

Peterson have showed everyone he's an absolute retard outside of psychology and muh archetypes.

he's a retard on free speech, he's a retard on individualism and he's a retard on politics in general.

Neck urself desu

>he's a retard on free speech, he's a retard on individualism and he's a retard on politics in general.
I don't think there is a subject he's a retard in. He's simply a bit out of touch with the current year + 2. Had Peterson been born in the nineties, he'd be a white nationalist, I'm sure.

Why?

Likley most "bullshit" propaganda on random youtube channels gives a more accurate account of what happend than the mainstream stroies. After a completle surrender the winner(s) can tell every story they want, they can give any foundation myth they want.

>op's pic
>white woman
You must be a chink

I'm Millennial and anti collectivist. What's your explanation for me?

Mediocre intelligence and indoctrination by your university. I'm sure you were a good person when you were still in high school.

Then why did I feel this way since childhood? I hated all this bullshit I heard like "You have to work in groups" or "Teamwork" or "Share everything".

>my individualism
>It's small tribalism
Huh? I do agree on that one should have the highest preference of those he is most closely blood related, that's family and relatives. Everyone should do that. But there is still utility in a civilization to look out for more distantly related people, who belong in the same ethnic, linguistic and cultural group. It will be the benefit of the the small tribes. It should be enforced enough to make free-loading a bad strategy, yet still not be in clear opposite against the individual's and his small tribe's interest. That's communism, a corrupted system that is against human nature.

I've never watched it and still I don't see Hitler as doing anything much wrong.

>I hated all this bullshit I heard like "You have to work in groups" or "Teamwork" or "Share everything".
Everyone hates group works and teamwork at school. And everyone needs privacy. Especially men. Still, we also need a shared identity and a group. We need to feel we are not trivially replaceable. We need to feel our existence matters.

Group work does get better when everyone involved is motivated and well informed about the subject. Being a nationalist is not really the same thing at all, though. I'm sure you like belonging to a family, even though you dislike group work. You probably like being a part of a grorup of friends as well. Nationalism is like that.

what a pathetic virgin manlet fantasizing about asian women...keep fucking that anime pillow while chad muscle up at the gym just in time to grab "OP pic" by the pussy

Who is this semen demon? Anyone know?

I'll say this for those who suffer from terminal brainletism
Collectivism in the sense that rigth talks about in 2017 isn't communism where you have to share everything and leeches are everywhere.
Collectivism means acting as cohesive group when dealing with politics, and understanding yourself inside racial lines.
That's all it is.
Because it doesn't matter how much of an enlightened individual you are when niggers vote to take your property.

>Peterson is patreons ouya