Net Neutrality

youtu.be/wQtiIazfoQM

inb4
>didn't exist prior to 2015

Video is from 2014 and explains how NN has always been a thing.

also relevant

fortune.com/2017/07/12/net-neutrality-fcc-google-facebook-netflix/

inb4
>fortune.com is jewish gay hippy propaganda
don't be retarded

Other urls found in this thread:

cnet.com/news/netflix-admits-throttling-video-speeds-on-at-t-verizon/
youtu.be/B03eByZia5I?t=20
wired.com/2014/06/net_neutrality_missing/
unvis.it/wired.com/2014/06/net_neutrality_missing
youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3C397F4A32D855FD
youtu.be/w_Cu2U6g46o
youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

Barry the Dimwitted thought "Net Neutrality" was a good thing...

that's all you need to know to oppose it.

>if people with different political views think something is good then it must be bad

how do you even live?

>IT'S OKAY WHEN NETFLIX DOES IT
cnet.com/news/netflix-admits-throttling-video-speeds-on-at-t-verizon/

It's not good for this world. We have to get rid of net newtonality. Fuck you i show you who's the boss you bastard bitch motherfucker. Mother fucker i will fuck you bastard.

by noting that EVERY single choice he made was bad for this country & it's people.

it's called the power of observation and applied thought: you should try it sometime.

>im getting fucked in the ass by web sites
>to teach them a lesson I want to get fucked in the ass by ISPs too

you are fucking brain damaged.

I hope the internet gets so irreversibly fucked for everyone because I don't want to spend my time on it anymore

I don't even know what it's about but since everyone is panicking it must be a good happening to happen

fuck humanity, please unironically reply to my post about why I should care about others rights when no one cares about mine?

>EVERY single choice he made was bad for this country

you're referring to Bush in 2005?

fucking shill kill yourself.

BUT NET NEUTRALITY WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE MY BITS EQUAL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Netflix, Facebook & Google freeload off ISP infrastructure and can't be charged for using the majority of bandwith & infrastructure to deliver their content.

OP is a brainlet golem activated to defend the profit margins of mega-companies to allow them to continue to freeload.

>thinking that NN is a Jew plot to take down your "red-pill" facebook/twitter posts

>ISPs need to be able to block and throttle web sites because people use the internet they pay for

brain damaged

Did you know liberals drink water?
So you are still drinking the H2Ojew?

>google buys up everything
>sets the price
>competitors can't compete


wow, thanks net neutrality.

This is what golems actually believe:
>Hurr durr you can't charge trucks higher tolls & taxes than cars even through they consume more infrastructure needs & maintenance costs! Highway neutrality! Think of the poor mega-corps profit margins!

speeds
>Pay for internet
>Netflix throttles you
>FUCKING COMCAST STEALING MY BITS! SAVE ME OBAMA!

Pay for your content delivery. Google, Neflix and Facebook want to freeload. Pay your fair share for your disproportionate burden on internet infrastructure you freeloading scum.

PAY FOR MY INTERNET!!!

>when ISPs block and throttle web sites I get more freedom

please kill yourself.


>im getting fucked in the ass by web sites
>to teach them a lesson I want to get fucked in the ass by ISPs too

please kill yourself

>please kill yourself

in either case you're the one getting assfucked


atleast I don't have to pay to get assfucked

>all within the confines of a system comprised of 300+ million autonomous individuals that started on a theoretically equal starting ground.

>when I get the internet I pay for other people are paying for my internet

you can kill yourself

pajeet please

Net Neutrality is to the internet, what Obamacare is to healthcare.

>brainlet golem activated to defend the profit margins of mega-companies

Get out of here with this bullshit. Who do you think will benefit most if Netflix is forced to pay for the bandwidth they use? The people that provide the internet services. You're just taking money from one group of mega-companies and siphoning it towards other mega-companies. The only difference is, we know how one system functions, and it functions well. With a new system, there are clear anti-consumer ramifications that will directly affect everyone.

Also, the fuck is this "forcing without penalty" drivel? The amount of bandwidth they use is directly proportional to how much people use their site. If you want to penalize them for being successful, tax them.

>Who do you think will benefit most if Netflix is forced to pay for the bandwidth they use?

the customers of the ISP.

>itt nothing but people telling each other to commit suicide.
So this is the power of Sup Forums's political discourse. Fantastic.

Anyway, Soros, Zuckerberg et al want Net Neutrality. Therefore, you don't.

>people shilling for either one corporate conglomo or other corporate conglomo

You are fucking retarded, what would you win as a normal average internet user if NN is gone?

Netflix isn't paying you. Why would you benefit? You've got the tism, boy.

NET NEUTRALITY IS INTERNET SOCIALISM. TAKE MY FIVE FUCKING DOLLARS SO THE INTERNET DOESNT SLOW AT 8AM WHEN PEOPLE WAKE AND 5 WHEN THEY GET THE FUCK OUT. ITS ALL THE GOD DAMN KIDS AND PHONES ON WIFI PIPING IN NETFLIX. ITS PRACTICALLY GOD DAMN TORRENTING

>Why would you benefit?

because the isp could lower the prices by excluding netflix from their services.


Do you want to force them to bake a cake?

Stop it with this bullshit

Matter of fact i dont care if my internet is DOUBLED ill pay for it cause i god damn LIVE on it. If you whine you're a beta poor bitch who wants the internet to look like a dirty chicago road

so, NN is still in effect right now isn't it?

Why do we need net neutrality? So the government can regulate the internet and treat it as a "utility"? Sorry, but I miss the way the internet was before cyber-affirmative action bundled broadband with welfare checks. I'll sure miss all the great World Star Hiphop content when this shits repealed.

Niggers of all races get out of my autistic friend simulator

>soros et al want it
broken clock is right twice a day.
NN only helps the consumer due to our current situation in the US. If we had plenty more choice in ISP, maybe then we could repeal it. Don't blindly hate because others think its a good idea

>cyber-affirmative action bundled broadband with welfare checks.
They give the SNAP recipients 10mb down while I have to pay $34 per month for 1mb down.

>Unironically linking extra shekels

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>the isp could lower the prices by excluding netflix from their services

What happens when the ISP gets pressured by somebody claiming that Sup Forums is a hate group, and the ISP decides to exclude this site from their services? Have fun with reddit, you stupid fuck.

Consider this: what you're advocating for is analogous to bandwidth caps, which is all about milking customers for money, and not "getting people to pay their fair share".

You NEED net "neutrality" so you can be censored by the government when they take power again in 2020.


They will never allow another Trump

Good! Now go ahead and form an argument, buddy!

It's shit

>What happens when the ISP gets pressured by somebody claiming that Sup Forums is a hate group, and the ISP decides to exclude this site from their services?

Do you have any proof of this happening?

No? Wow.

You realize that those groups are tiny as fuck, and are seen as extremely crazy, just look at you and me canada, in your country it's fucking illegal to not call them by their pronouns: thy-holiest

Damn, you're getting scammed. I pay like $40 for tv channels and a netto internet speed of 76Mbit (8,4mb when torrenting usually)

Maybe you're projecting because you're a libtard who wishes this would happen but don't think you're powerful enough to make it reality.

youtu.be/B03eByZia5I?t=20

This argument doesn't make sense. If you live in an area with poor Internet and one provider, nn reduces the incentive to improve the speeds/coverage. Why foot an expensive bill just to enable people to kill all your bandwidth? No one else will do it either, that means no competition to improve the level of service.

On the other hand, if you live in an area with fast Internet and a high level of competition, lack of nn would not mean throttling. People would be able to vote with their wallet. The first ISP to offer unlimited access would receive the custom of the entire town, making others follow suit in order to not lose custom. Far more likely that they would ask Netflix or whoever to contribute to the costs. However if the fee they asked was too high, Netflix would tell them to piss off, meaning that Netflix is slow on provider X, again losing the custom of a fair portion of that town.

If you live in an area with decent-ish Internet, but the majority of the area is only served by one provider, lack of nn increases the potential profit to be made, opening the area up to other providers (assuming that some of the other draconian regulation is repealed allowing people to create new networks) and increasing the Internet speed in that area.

>yes goyim net neutrality keeps everything equal!
>even though all the sides that are for NN also want to censor any right wing thought
You can trace all this bullshit back to Soros money.
knows what's up

>Do you have any proof of this happening?

It's almost as if net neutrality has forced ISPs to treat content in a fair and neutral manner. REALLY MAKES YOU THINK.

>Maybe you're projecting

I'm taking the person's argument to the logical extreme. If the ISP can restrict access to Netflix, why would they not be able to restrict other websites?

fpbp. Anytime the mods put up stickys like "Support Net Neutrality" it throws up a bunch of red flags for me.

So you have no proof and is instead telling everyone that they will face eternal damnation unless they pray to allah?

wow, powerful

Internet service is not competitive. This is a problem, but it will not be solved by eliminating net neutrality. In fact, the anti-competitive nature of the internet service industry makes net neutrality all the more important.

Indeed.

>So you have no proof and is instead telling everyone that they will face eternal damnation unless they pray to allah?

You got me dude. Wow. Some foolproof logic here.

You tell me, under your original proposition:
>the isp could lower the prices by excluding netflix from their services

If the ISP is allowed to restrict access to Netflix, why do you think the ISP would not be allowed to restrict access to Sup Forums?

OPs lefty tier memes are a dead give away to shill. Don't forget to sage you dumb motherfuckers.

>If the ISP is allowed to restrict access to Netflix, why do you think the ISP would not be allowed to restrict access to Sup Forums?

More power to them, why not chose the isp that provides unlimited shitposting on Sup Forums for $4.99/month? Sounds good, right?


>b-buuuut they'll block it

no, stop with your wishful thinking cancuck

Pewdiepie gtfo

Well yes, agreed to an extent. Removing net neutrality and keeping in place other legislation that has consolidated the market in the hands of a small group of companies would not be good.

>implying censorship isnt already happening

Can't wait for the vote, americans getting fucked over is the best thing.

This is the guy who has colluded with AT&T

He is giving Rural Broadband Internet to the Big Co's limiting your choice.

Stop this guy.

CBRS

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I am very confused on what to agree with regarding NN - just how the FCC, mega corps and Government like it.

At the end of the day none of this debate is explained simply and honestly so the public will just let the FCC walk all over us. Yet again. Just like they will with 5G in 2020. They can shove their fucking G's up their arse.


The Guberment are playing the vague and complex card.

>Netflix and YT forcing large amounts of data through limited bandwidth without penalty

How the fuck do you "force" data to go through a connection you ninny? You pay for a speed of X data per second, do you think the data from Netflix and YT has lubricant so more if it slips through than is physically allowed or what?

But it isn't though.

We as Humans make this choice everyday, not all things are equal

>Net neutrality has been around since the internet started
Implying any of these whiny faggots remember the days of dial up. None of these queefs started using the internet until myspace became a thing

wired.com/2014/06/net_neutrality_missing/

The net has not been neutral in years. Companies have been paying 3rd parties for faster highways for years.

Please archive or screenshot
unvis.it/wired.com/2014/06/net_neutrality_missing

How come a bunch of people who disagree with you about net neutrality and tell you that net neutrality leads to the exact opposite of what the establishment claims it leads to are shill even though they present a good amount of evidence and combat your arguments pretty damn well seems your the shill who dont bother to fact cheack your spoon feed claims

Basic knowledge of economics a video list on basic economics: youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3C397F4A32D855FD

Simply understanding that more regulation restricts more voluntary actions for businesses leads to less competition and less Innovation therefore it ruins the economy over and allows monopolies to form,or at the very least stunts its growth,and allows monopolies to form anyway.

Also here's a video of the same channel; youtu.be/w_Cu2U6g46o he discusses the hypocrisy of net neutrality supporters.

And point out the fact that the the elitists who happened to run dirty businesses that are monopolies are actually supporting net neutrality you know something that you wouldn't expect.

Yes I literally rather have the power split between as many people as possible rather then Facebook, Google and Netflix having all this power. Get the fuck off redit and think for once.

>you fucktard
oh sorry i thought it was a bad idea but then you insulted me i'm on your side now dw

That isn't the same form of "fast lane" that repealing Net Neutrality allows for. What's described in that article is a form of physical infrastructure that those big tech companies install to improve their own connection to the server, but it doesn't make the servers prioritize traffic coming from them. Repealing NN gives them the right to prioritize traffic from different sources differently.

>What happens when the ISP gets pressured by somebody claiming that Sup Forums is a hate group, and the ISP decides to exclude this site from their services? Have fun with reddit, you stupid fuck.
Google literally already did this with 4+Sup Forums. Where was net neutrality to save them?

A direct connection that bypasses the backbone is guaranteed to be both a higher quality faster line, and cheaper because you're only paying off one company instead of dealing with the shenanigans of 2+ intermediaries like they were before. Any company that needs to push a lot of data and can't cut a deal with ISPs to do it is at a major disadvantage. Nothing stops Netflix from working out a deal with an ISP to charge others more or tell any new competitors to fuck off, as well. This is pretty evident in Netflix recently saying that they aren't worried about net neutrality anymore. They're set.

>I am very confused on what to agree with regarding NN - just how the FCC, mega corps and Government like it.
Here are your two options

With NN: Google,netflix, facebook and the government run the internet. Both google and facebook have been caught doing censorship in the past politically so this idea that NN prevents that isn't true.

Without NN: Now the ISPs enter the fray and get to challenge the power of these companies. Google and Facebook lose a lot of power and influence.

Realistically both options suck. Those in this thread getting mad thinking their way is 100% better are autists fucks who are regurgitating what they are told. The ideal scenario would be no NN and the ISP monopolies get busted. That isn't an option. So your options are power is consolidated in like 3 entities vs like 6 or 7 entities. Thats all this is about.

Alright but Netflix getting a better line through those measures doesn't directly affect me because the ISP doesn't need to slow other sites down in order to give them that.

>Video is from 2014 and explains how NN has always been a thing
Then what was 2015 about then?

It was found unenforceable in court in 2014, unclear on the reasons but they had to classify ISPs as common carriers in 2015 to reinstate it under Title 2.

You are retarded, NN was allways granted since the first comercial and home Internet connections.
Also who the fuck cares about this place in order to send shills?

Wrong. They drink cum.

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>Netflix and YT forcing large amounts of data through limited bandwidth without penalty

What does this mean? Their penalty is that they pay a huge amount for the data they use.

The idea of throttling sites is also overblown. Yes they've done it in a few situations in the past, and every single time the consumer backlash has forced them to very quickly undo it with absolutely no legal threat at all. As shitty as ISPs are, they do need to maintain a minimum level of "not pissing off half the country." There's no advantage to throttling low traffic sites and telling people to pay, because there's no money in it because they're low traffic. If they do it to high traffic, the consumers (and megacorps) turn on them and they end up losing more money than they make. Like any good corporation, the goal is to bleed people slow so they never get uncomfortable enough to cause a commotion. Which they're managing just fine under net neutrality, and were doing the same before net neutrality.

This is basically the real issue. Net neutrality was going too far for the FCC's power level, so they had to change ISPs to Title 2 just to give them authority they shouldn't have. This ended up giving them way way more power than they even needed to enforce net neutrality, and they can decide if/when they'd like to use it in the future. This has caused a massive plummet in ISP investment, because they never know if the government take-over that is now possible is right around the corner. It's far more reasonable to have the FCC give up power, make the parts of net neutrality that are good into law, and then have the FTC take over hunting down any wrongdoing which is supposed to be their job instead of the FCC's.

You do realize that Netflix pays ISPs like everyone else right?

I don't really see a good answer here, ISPs with power have shown time and time again they will just try to charge more for the same service rather than actually improve anything and repealing these rules without instating these laws first is a can of worms.

But that's wrong you fucking retard.

One of the initial kneejerks was people thinking ISPs were throttling Netflix, but it ended up being something else entirely. Backbones have deals with each other on data exchange, and if one pushes more than they take they end up getting charged for it. So Netflix was pushing data to backbone A, A was transferring it to B, who then pushed it to Comcast. Well B was taking more than it was sending through A, so they send A a bill. A throttles Netflix and tells them they have to pay if they want to get more data through B. Netflix says Comcast should pay because their customers are the ones who need it pulled along that path. Comcast says fuck off, and we all get Net Neutrality to punish them except it doesn't actually do anything in this situation because Comcast was never actually throttling and the FCC can't tell backbones what to do. Then Netflix creates their own content delivery networks, pays Comcast to hook into them directly, and bypasses the backbones. Everything worked out, net neutrality did nothing, but we still have it. Hurray.

Netflixfags, Steamcucks, and Facebookikes, and Redditniggers will get trolled if NN dies, so why the fuck wouldn't I be for killing that garbage?

>extra reddits
they have made ONE (1) good video

youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw

Actually, yeah. People with different political views than me think more gun control and socialism is good. I do not agree with anything they agree with, so I can assume what they propose is going to be bad.

>I do not agree with anything they agree with
>so I can assume

You might be retarded. How do you know you don't agree on anything? What about people you agree with who agree with people you disagree with on other issues? Are you saying you're actually the most boring, non-nuanced uniform-as-fuck political drone to ever exist? Have you ever actually thought about anything ever? Are you even a person?

But it's not you fucking mongoloid. Think of it this way. With NN you're paying for everyone's usage. So I have to pay the price so jackasses can be on Facebook or Twitter. It goes intoa communal fund that pays for people to use them even though I do not.

With Obamacare, I pay for eveyone's doctor visits despite not needed to go to the doctor, or in your case, your special needs care taker.

>Google literally already did this with 4+Sup Forums

Google (the search engine) is not an internet service provider. Unless you're saying they enforced that via Google Fiber, in which case I would be interested in the source for that because it sounds fucked.

If soros invested millions in it it’s nothing I want to be a part of

You use the word nuance, yet you don't know what it means. If a person believes in socialism, that is a personality trait, a core characteristic. They are anti-freedom. There is nothing I am going to agree with.

Neutral Net - vs. - Net (((Neutrality)))

Know the difference, libtard.

that's literally the liberal agenda. "don't do what we do to you to us"
>in b4 "but i'm not a lib"