Libertarian nationalism > fascism

libertarian nationalism > fascism

deal with it neetsoc spergs.

agreed. we need hoppean libertarianism

Libertarian nationalism for the USA and natsoc for Europe. They hate freedom over there but they need fascism or they're doomed.

Libertarian nationalism is a fun idea that fails in practice, see: Confederate States of America as a case study.
The war was winnable for the South, but there were immense problems coordinating between the individual states, and raising a sizeable army was hampered by states' unwillingness to send their soldiers to fight for their neighbour.
The result was that, even though the North had less competent leadership, they were still more able bc they had a centralized command structure.
Point is, fascism is the more functional of the two. While it relies more heavily on having a competent individual at the head, fewer moving parts make it less likely to fuck up.

Even if the CSA did coordinate better, they were completely BTFO by pure Lanchesters Law. The north just had more warm bodies and industrial capacity to throw at the south.

Nobody disputes that, but the CSA had not yet exhausted it's own resources when Sherman punched through at Atlanta. If they had been able to coordinate a defensive line and, via a more centralized command structure, respond better to the line's piercing, they could have held out past the 1864 election, which would have assured a McClelland victory over Lincoln, leading to an armistice with the south.

the war was unwinnable to begin with
the north had double the population of the south and blockaded it from the start of the war

And I'm sure "if" Hitler has successfully resupplied the 8th army they'd have done just fine right? kys

Maybe, but the nationalization of the banking system and abolition of interest is essential.

I'm not sure you appreciate how close a thing it was. If it weren't for Sherman breaking the South's line and taking Atlanta, an armistice was absolutely within the realm of possibility
Of course, this isn't getting into the CSA's economic problems - mass unemployment and ru away inflation being the big 2 - but the war itself was closer than (((high school history books))) will tell you.

Well yeah, but that was logistically impossible
The CSA's problems could have been solved by a more centralised command structure that didn't have to deal with autistic bickering over whose job the defense of the country was

And an armistice was logically impossible too. Lincoln had too much support behind him in the north and the south was already suffering major economic problems due in large part to the war. Top that with the huge population and industrial difference there would have been very little incentive for Lincoln or congress to actually push for any real talks. This was also before people truly gave a shit about wartime casualties so the war very well could have gone on much longer and still with complete northern victory.

An armistice was totally possible. Lincoln was lagging in the polls and the public was extremely war weary until Sherman's victory showed that the war could actually be won

> becoming a lolsperg cuck faggot
> implying the based father's were not natsocs
> implying America was not a natsoc nation

fuck off back to plebbit faggot

"War weary" by 1860's standards. There might have been "negotiations" but they would have fallen the fuck apart because that would have resulted in a completely divided nation and any congressman at the time would have seen that. Lincoln opinion polls be damned the war would have been continued.

>this delutsional
go ahead and tell me how they practiced socialism

>he thinks the founding fathers wanted big government
Dolt.

like pic related where American was a white nation up until 1965 .

> focuses on economics like a kike
> doesn't focus on the racial part which is the most important
> think's natsoc is just economics or political
> it's also a natural way to establish law and order
> it was made to preserve and protect the white race
> being a lolsperg kike

Just because hes saying it, doesnt mean he did that in practice my friend, see the actions, not what they said.

Nice argument, now show me which founding father wanted anything but strong states rights and small government. Socialism is slavery, I don't care what kind it is. Small government or nothing. You want a white country? Get rid of welfare and any government assistance. The spics and niggers will have to leave.

>arguing over petty ideologies

Traditional values are all that matter. Everything else is secondary.

How is NatSoc slavery?
Tell me how the German people were enslaved.

What's wrong with economics user?, i know it is not the end all of a society, but how the fuck will you grow if you dont produce in some way or another?

My friend be careful because you seem to be more enamored by the fantasy or romantic version of the nazis, than what they actually were. Don't blame you because most info you could no matter the side is heavily politized, the best bet find info predating the war, that your best bet.

When the government can swoop in and take over your private business, you are nothing but a slave. I'm fine with it for Europe as I said but America is something else.

I agree that it is a much better way to spin it for PR reasons. obviously the declaration was intended to apply only to landholding white gentry. over time however, these rights have been extended to more and more "people". you will never take these rights away when you only make up 56% of the voting pop. there are demographic realities which fascists seem to ignore. don't get me wrong, if fascists were to gain control i would support them 100%, so long as the goal is to return this country to the way it was intended to be. but up until this time, we should be focusing on crafting the message like Hoppe does in Democracy.

Literally Adams and Washington...

> getting advice from a nonwhite
all I know it that I want Europe and the Anglo-Sphere to be like pic related

Now what system will get me there?
NatSoc
or
Libertarianism?
Tell me which system will save the white race?
Which system will make our nations white again?
Which system will eliminate the degeneracy ?
Which system will eliminate Cultural Marxism?
Which system will eliminate Judeo-Bolshevism and Communism?
Because as far as I know, there has been only one system that has given it's life to defeat Jewish Bolshevism and Communism.
So I again tell you, which system out of those two will do everything that I mentioned?

tell me when NatSoc Germany did that

> becoming a civicuck
um, no thanks

notice how I did not mention the constitution--only the declaration. subtle nuance. please just read Hoppe for the love of god. I'm tired of telling people on here this. There is nothing about race or ethnicity here, but think of the implications:

"There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and expelled from society. Likewise, in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They – the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism – will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order."

>libertarian nationalism is a fun idea that fails in practice

America up til the mid 19th century was libertarian nationalist idiot. Fascism hasn't worked and only lasted 13 years in Germany. The Germany economy relied solely on war and seizing the assets of conquered nations.

Stop larping. A race war will not happen.

>the founding fathers were natsocs

This level of delusion. They were certainly for white-only immigration but they were huge on individual freedom such as free speech and the right to bear arms. You neetsocs are a fucking joke.

Still didnt answer my question, but your and ideologue so it figures that you dont think for yourself user, because thinking is hard eh.

And even worse if you let your faith be in hands of people who only whant to tell you thing that you want to hear, then you didnt exactly liked freedom anyway, dont put you faith in false prophets user.

Let me give you a litle tip user, if you want to stop all those problems you mentioned, you have to stop anything that forments laziness, because all those subjects you know what do they have in common and even is a pillar or foundation for those ideas, its LAZINESS if you understand that, no matter if you have a white ethnostate, lazy people will vote for free shit and well, you´ll end up with the same problems that you have now user.

Never underestimate laziness, if you undestand that, you dont even need to study political science because almost all that shit stems form that.

Trying to break a new state from within a state is retarded, never works, even if you keep control of a zone, it's still infested by normies

nationalism gotta step up as a international migration plan

How did we get to today if not because of that?