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Hey cuckboy, did you thank your boss today for the opportunity of cucking you out of the full value of labour by paying you less than you produce?

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hey faggot, did your boss pay your shekels for creating slide threads or is this a university assignment

I've been on pol for like 3 years you dumb leaf.

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The worker sets the value of his own labor every day he shows up and works for an agreed upon sum. Stop being retarded.

Considering that I played phone games in my office all day yesterday, I'm certain my boss isnt paying me less than I produce.

sry busy sleeping for 4 hours on the clock

>worker sets the value
Lmfao. Like most workers have any choice. You're paid whatever will produce a profit for the owner, meaning you are paid less than the value you create.

Work from home.

My own boss.

Feels good.

Well considering wages are determined by bargaining power and not production I Did pretty well. Luckily my boss doesn't know how replaceable I actually am yet.

>It's all okay if I escape the system or exploit workers myself
Truly a degenerate.

Prices are set by consumers.

>Boss works alongside his crew
>Constantly gives us praise
>Understands our troubles
>Meanwhile customers leave porcelain plates--somehow--of half-eaten food shoved into our grocery aisle with the rest of our products
>They shit their pants and throw it in the trash cans of the bathroom
>some try to bathe in our bathrooms
>leftist faggots say my real friends are the pants shitters and my enemy is my boss.

hahahahaha fucking millenials...

>Be fascist
>Dislikes people exercising their will to power

Pathetic. Sour grapes indeed.

I mean, are you a slave? If you assemble widgets and think you are under paid for the value you provide, you go find another higher paying widget job or you start assembling widgets for yourself. It really is that simple.

>fascism is about fucking your country men and race over
Don't think you know what fascism is, mutt.

>pol
Did you mean Sup Forums, newfriend?

Wages are determined by the bargaining power of the worker. That can be determined by your skill set, how easy you are to replace, the amount of available people willing to replace your for a lower price, your work ethic like ability etc... the idea that wages are a reflection of labor or production is completely false. There are plenty of people that work harder than me and get paid less. Even the socialist economist Moshe Adler agrees that wages are priced by bargaining power. That's the argument he uses for how unions improve wages. Be pooling their bargaining power they are able to collectively give themselves a raise while not actually improving any attributes that contribute to an individuals bargaining power.

who else NEET here?

Except even the higher paying widget job will still pay below the value workers produce. If it didnt, the capitalist wouldn't be in business. I don't think you even understand basic Marxist arguments.

yes, he smilled and told me to come back tomorrow to get my paid vacations. and you, back home from the social services you muncher?

>wherefeeling when you work in rural area where all workers actually care of each other

Feels good man

Labour power isn't physical effort, you moron. Actually read a basic summary of the Marxist theory of exploitation and labour theory of value. Otherwise you're just making strawman arguments.

The only way that you could say that you are getting paid less than you are worth would be if you knew what the equilibrium wage is for your labor. If you believe that labor markets reach equilibrium on their own, then trivially, you are getting paid what you are worth. If you don't believe that they reach equilibrium on their own, then it is not obvious how you can know what your labor is worth, or if you are getting paid less than that.

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>This is what class cuckolds actually believe

Nobody can understand Marx because his ideas aren't based in reality. If you consider it "exploitation" when a single cog (worker) in a machine (company) makes less than the owner, the beautiful thing about a free market is that you can quit today and be competing against the owner tomorrow. Something tells me that if you Marxists ever had the balls to do that, you'd realize real quick why the worker makes less than the owner (which, parenthetically, is not true as plenty of small business owners forego personal salaries to pay employees).

I make all my money from investing.

>/leftypol/
Shoo shoo commie

>a factory worker can quit and magically get the capital to start a factory
You LITERALLY have no arguments. Your sorry excuse for an argument is not based in reality.
>thinks I'm from lefty pol
Kys

>the beautiful thing about a free market is that you can quit today and be competing against the owner tomorrow.
The beautiful thing about a free market is that the people who own all the capital can move their means of production overseas or buy out the government to flood the country with cheaper labor driving wages down meaning the workers have no fucking leverage. If you threaten your boss to seek employment elsewhere because of low wages he will laugh his fucking ass off firing you and replacing you with a mexican or poo that will happily do that job for dollars less. You are a pathetic capitalist cocksucker, nothing more, nothing less.

No, because I am the boss, have other bosses under me and understand how a business works. Dont you have tables to bus, drop out?

>Basic economics

Nah, I did fuckall most of the day and got paid perplexingly well for it. I spoke to my boss for like five minutes, he said "sounds like you're on top of it" and walked off.

Loling at prolecucks life.

Any person would prefer to work for himself, rather than for someone else. The only reason to work for someone else, of course, would be that he makes more working for his boss than he would working for himself. The boss is actually paying him MORE than his labor is worth, to accept a position subordinate to the boss. Pretty easy to reason out. Unless, of course, someone is a low IQ leftist.

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Then the worker can work for himself. Easy. Why do Marxists constantly ignore this simple fact?

If commies have so much knowledge about economy, how come, that their retarded system collapses every time, they try it?

HOLY FUCK CAPITALIST KEKS ABSOLUTELY BTFO

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>Free market
>Continues on to describe a crony system that is anything but free
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying that we currently have a free market, nobody is that dumb, but don't also get pants on head retarded on me.

Marxian economics is not a prescriptive system. Marxian economics is a critique of capitalism, it's not a how to guide. What Russians and other commies did had very little to do with anything Marx wrote.

>muh capitalism doesn't exist!
>muh not real capitalism!
You're no better than commies crying "muh not real communism!".

FUCK MAO AND MAOISM.
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>it's okay to fuck my countrymen over as long as I get a piece of the pie
KYS.

Capitalist cocksuckers literally cannot compete
Free markets would just make it easier for companies to move overseas and form monopolies.
Why do companies hire Marxian economists when they want to make money? Because they know the system better than capitalists themselves. Top kek

>communism is not Marxist

Companies literally never hire Marxist economists.

>Gee Mao would fucking with an ecosystem that worked so far really help us?
>just do it fag, also why arent you making steel in your shed

You're making my point. Why is it that a single factory worker couldn't instantly compete? As you say, because the factory is made up of more than just his value. There's the marketing team who gets clients, there's the legal team who writes copywrite, there's peggy in HR who's a bitch. That's why comparing a worker's wages to the price of the final product OR the owner's wage is stupid. So many other hands touch the entire process, adding their value at every step along the way.

>Why do companies hire Marxian economists when they want to make money?
nice claim buddy, do you have any source to prove it, or i just supposed to listen, and believe?

I dunno, i walked about most of the day at work looking for materials for a home project, also on holiday so being paid for that, and still being paid by the time i get home.

Communism is a very small part of what Marx wrote about. The majority of his work is about how capitalism actually works, that's the valuable part. There are plenty of other systems that could replace capitalism, communism isn't the only possible conclusion you can make from reading Marx. That's why I'm not a communist.

An ecosystem isn't really 'working so far' when it's fucking up your food production

Having sparrows was much better than a brazillion bugs eating all your crops because the sparrows are too dead to eat them.

Why do Hungarians miss Communism?

Serious question, I saw polling data on the issue.

Sup Forums needs to swallow the final redpill of National Bolshevism

the white race must sieze the means of production from the bourjewsie

Where the fuck do you work? I worked in Appalachia it is nothing but druggies single mothers and their accompanying drama working minimum wage for a greedy boomer

>Lazy commies neets think their labor is of equal value to society as that of a skilled person like a doctor
kek when will they learn?

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Replying to the wrong person, retard.

You're not even making an argument, you mongoloid.

This is why I went self-employed. If you are employed by someone else, particularly a large corporation, you're a turbocuck.

All the poor capitalists are taking every drug under the Sun to escape the fucking hell that their lives have become. Taking Xanax laced with fentanyl because all the factories moved overseas leaving them unemployed and poor.

This is the state of America. This is the state of Crapitalism.
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It's not a realistic solution for the majority of the population.

Labor theory of value is objectively false and Porky is a Jew.

NEXT

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>false
No argument.
Let me guess, you are unaware of the concept of socially useful labour.

>marxist
>minister of finance in Greece
Oh, so that's why Greece is in deep shit

They pay you for your work, not your results.
Remember the materials, tools, machines, information and place are all owned by the boss.

Nope. Value is determined by and solely by what you can sell something for. Your made-up nonsense is not empirical, mine is.

>did you thank your boss today
I thank myself every day, loser.

no i thanked my UNCLE SAM for the tax-free bennies of service connected disability pay, post 9/11 gi bill tuition, cost of living allowance and book stipend, pell grant, also the freedom to use these things anywhere in the united states that i want. also thanks in advance for the vocational rehabilitation program i'll be using to help pay my way through an apprenticeship in a trade after i finish my associates degree. suck it, civilians.

So value is determined by what's socially useful i.e. what people actually want? So you are in agreement with Marxists. Moron.

>disabled
>working a trade job

you mixed up the order of events pal

I didn't know Pop Music was useful to society.

No because I have a job in the STEM field wageslave

1960s
>Americans driving V8 muscle cars
>Soviets driving gravity-fed econocars if they're equal enough to get through the waiting list without being gulaged
>Tatra 603s only driven by senior Party members and factory leaders
Ah yes, I remember that day in Advanced Economics.

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You're still paid less than the value you create, moron.

No but I'll be sure to tomorrow, thanks for reminding me

The value I create is meaningless to me: I get paid the compensation I negotiated regardless of the company's success or failure.

How many years of experience do you have in a leadership role in the private or public sector? I have 20 combined. Im guessing you are at zero.

What kind of leadership in what field(s), leafbro?

You do realize the company provide services that allow the worker to produce their full ability's worth, correct? And that it requires an initial investment in order to secure those services? Where do you suggest that money comes from?

Go starve to death somewhere else

Let me guess, your solution is to tear down all borders right?

So what happens if a worker is employed at a loss, such as in R&D? Do I owe my employer money in that case?

For instance, I'm a software developer, but the software I make doesn't make money until it's complete and released to the public. In socialism does that mean I owe my boss money while I work on it?

>implying pol is pro free market

No, that's the capitalist's strategy sweetie. The capitalist world is erasing it's culture, history, and ethnicities honeybun :^)

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Workers are fully compensated for what they contribute - their time and effort. They are completely free to take that time and effort elsewhere or harness it on their own.

When your labor is being combined with another's enterprise to create a product, you are only entitled to the market price of your labor, not the final price of the product.

Ironic sweetieposting is still sweetieposting.

Please delete this offensive Jewish caricature, OP

I can't help but think that they created a character with a snout solely to reduce emphasis on the nose.

>useless neets
>talk the value of labour

Oh wow, it's fucking nothing

Jesus fucking Christ this is the worst board on the planet during the day. Saged

It's a bunch of bullshit, distributed by western commies. If i remember correctly, it's based on some representative poll, where some faggot commies asked a couple hundred/thousand ex-commie elites in a gated community somewhere in Budapest, and boom: The ex-commie elite thinks, that they lived better under communism.
>lel capitalism btfo

Meanwhile in the real world, almost nobody is communist here, you never see communist talking points on the media (mainstream, or alternative), and the hungarian commie party gets almost zero votes on elections.
And we had one of the lightest communist system here in the entire bloc, and people still despise communism

nah even that shit of leftypol is no place to you, you are below scum, inbreed clown.