Filthy rats are stealing from the workers

Filthy rats are stealing from the workers.

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go fish upstream you retard

redpill me on the bogdanoff twins?

I've never seen back thread end with such a literal and metaphorical BTFO of OP in my life, well done sir

>Posted from an iphone

Workers agree to the terms of their employers when they sign up for a job.

That image is pretty good. He's too stupid to move. He's too stupid to watch his ass. He's expecting someone to protect him. The perfect explanation of a Communist. Inept and dependent. Grow up and be a big boy.

iphones are made by workers retard, that's his point.

The alternative is not having any money, which means you and your family starve. So it's not a free choice.

Who violated the NAP first?

>implying the kike won't just follow you and steal from you there

>Man gives you one of his fishing rods and in return ask for some of the fish
>Agree to this exchange
>Cry that he has more fish than you later

How is communism any different?
It's just a commisar stealing from your bucket instead and if you defy him you go to gulag.
At least you can find a new employer under capitalism or become self employed.

Nice. OP just got pwned. How will he ever recover?

post original where the nose isnt shaved off

A caveman and his family starved if he didn't hunt.

>le rich don't do anything useful they just sit on their big piles of money all day meme

>It's just a commisar stealing from your bucket instead and if you defy him you go to gulag.
In Hoxha's Albania, the maximum pay differential was 2:1. So even the highest ranking commisars and government officials couldn't make more than twice what your typical street sweeper or garbage collector makes.

In comparison, someone like Jeff Bezos makes more money in 1 hour than their employees can make in their entire lives.

The alternative is working for yourself (start a business) or find a better employer you fucking retard

Jump from the hook
You're not obliged to swallow anything you despise
See, those unrepenting buzzards want your life
And they got no right
As sure as you have eyes
They got no right

>guys gusy i found one time a commie wasn't entirely shit
>how will capitalists ever recover?!
>gulag when!!!

Communists don't want to work, they just want to allow the government to take money from people who do and have it given to them just for existing.

>capitalist locates a profitable stream and buys the rights to fish in it
>purchases fishing rods and bait
>trains someone how to fish
>promises worker 2 fish/day for his time, maybe more depending on performance
>capitalist takes excess fish to market
>may or may not sell the fish, incurring loss
>must use proceeds from sale to maintain the rods and buy more bait
>must pay taxes on the worker he hired and pay any taxes resulting from his ownership of the land
>may or may not come out in the black on any given day
>worker is insulated from loss by being guaranteed fish
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE I CAUGHT ALL THE FISH WHY CAN'T I KEEP THEM ALL

>In Hoxha's Albania, the maximum pay differential was 2:1. So even the highest ranking commisars and government officials couldn't make more than twice what your typical street sweeper or garbage collector makes.
Albania was relying on soviet aid to survive, the generous pay for the workers had to be provided from the backs of Russian peasants who suffered.

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>Have to catch fish with my hands because tophat guy's factory didn't produce any fishing poles
gosh dangit

I thought of a way to fix Capitalism.

#1 : start an economy similar to early America
like... late 1800's economy before the cb/income tax
#2 : set limit on personal wealth in order to prevent typical inequality and rich taking over Government
so like in modern terms lets say the limit would be like 10 million and some limits on assets also
so once you reach the limit any money you or your company makes go's into some public fund that gets equally distributed to every citizen under the limit perhaps on a rolling scale
or I have other ideas maybe allowing business in some cases to invest it back into the business if it benefits the whole but anyway just ideas

basically I think early America had it right just need more laws against concentration of wealth/power

so what you think?
kernal of genius or just rambling nonsense?

Communism takes it all and you starve to death like Ukraine

Garbage. There's no incentive to produce past the personal wealth limit.

Communism isn't a mere economic system. By definition Communism is a totalitarian ideology that wishes to create a society without individual economic expectations and without hierarchy (literally impossible as society in of itself is little more than a set of hierarchies) by making everyone equal in agency by distributing wealth evenly between every single individual despite their productivity. This is an ideology of greed as it comes from the ultimate notion of greed that is equality of outcome. To be rewarded without having to fulfill any societal exceptions, to be exulted despite producing little of value for your fellow man. These are the core motivations of Marxist Communist and it basically boils down to the right to be an utter degenerate and yet be rewarded for it. Not only is it bad enough that this ideology boils down to degeneracy but it also inevitably leads to the very thing its advocates so often love to preach against; an authoritarian state. Because Communism is a totalitarian ideology it needs to be enforced strictly upon all individuals in society and the end result is a life of moral, cultural and economic slavery. Communist states will see freewill crushed and removed and the will of the Marxist revolutionaries raised above all. Everyone classified, labeled and ultimately trapped in the roles these Marxist has chosen for them and yet it is the opposition to this that is so often painted as evil. Marxist ideologues forge their own chains and shackle as all.
You slander the relation between inventors, investors and laborers. Inventors are compensated because without them the product would not of been conceptualized and thus would not exist. Investors are compensated for without them the product could not be funded to be produced. And laborers are compensated for they are needed to actualize the product.

Not true, Hoxha managed to piss off both Mao and Khrushchev, so Albania was internationally isolated for most of the Cold War. As a result, Albania became the most autarkik (self-sufficient) economy in the world, even more so than the DPRK.

>#2 : set limit on personal wealth in order to prevent typical inequality and rich taking over Government
Way to completely stifle economic growth and misunderstand how government is taken over

Stop stealing our memes you commie faggot.

Maximum wealth doesn't work because CEOs would reduce their own wages to increase available capital of the business.
If you put the wealth cap on the business, then success over that point just becomes an asset of the country, leading to either stagnation or corruption.

adapt to the environment that most resembles the natural state of being op until you can abide by nature mother earth gaia youre just a walking lostcause

Yeah, fuck this 11 year old little girl and her gay ass bitching about her 14 hour working day. If she doesn't like her situation, she should just somehow acquire millions of dollars and start her own sweatshop, exploiting other 11 year old little girls for profit.

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I don't think you know how capitalism works

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Yes I was thinking that before you said it however I think being part of the "rich" even if it means only being part of a multi-million crowd will still be enough to motivate the business owners who will want to be part of said crowd and who will still be far better off then most.
Also those who are not at the limit but are part of the company will continue to push for higher profits and the already maxed out owner surely won't fight against that.

Perhaps they will be less productive then they would be without any restrictions on their greed but perhaps that doesn't matter so much if it leads too a much more dynamic and accessible economy for the majority of people with a much more balanced spread of wealth.
Not to mention just preventing a small class of insanely wealthy people from buying the Government is probably worth any "productivity" decline.

>Not true
The period of which you speak when pay differentials were less pronounced was literally when Hoxha was friendly with the USSR and recieving aid from them. When it was a self sufficient economy pay for the average worker and provision of living standards dropped again until they eventually couldn't sustain the system anymore in the 70s.
If you have to lie on behalf of a ideology perhaps it isn't the best ideology to be advocating?

Nice source nigger.

>Being a hypocrite.

read any source about communist Albania, it's in all of them.

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there's nothing stopping the workers collectivizing and starting their own factories in a capitalist system

Kekekekekkekekekeekke

inb4 >m-muh predatory pricing

Yeah you are right. Lets go with the alternative, no jobs for anyone.

>implying it takes millions to start a business.

kys

>people who built a factory are the same ones who work on it
Lmao

>1 post by this ID
You know if your gonna be a workers’ party, you need to actually work /leftypol/.

cummunigger get out!!!

>Also those who are not at the limit but are part of the company will continue to push for higher profits and the already maxed out owner surely won't fight against that
The owner is who supplies the capital that operates the business. They won't supply more capital if they don't expect larger returns, and they can't expect larger returns because you've capped it. You're dooming the economy to a standstill in a naiive attempt to spite the rich.

>Implying the business owner didn't invent and patent the machine.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You made the first claim, so prove yourself or fuck off.

You do realize that the USSR completely fucked their value added tabulation system giving them an insanely inflated GDP, right?
Also, you ignore the initial production of wealth and focus on the eventual accumulation allowing grand works. It begins with offering a service or product enabling you to make money and then wisely saving that money so that you can reinvest and expand. Such operations often result in great wealth when done consistently and over generations.
Should those who swindle and cheat like kikes being strung up? Sure. Should those with valuable ideas and/or persistence be penalized? Fuck no, and if you think so then you'll be hanging from the next branch.
Those without the skill, the intellect, or the ability to sacrifice the now for the future will fail or stagnate.

If you walk enough, the kike will lose patience and try to steal from someone who will not walk, and it becomes survival of the fittest.

>tfw you're a libertarian-socialist but practically that just means being a libertarian with wishful thinking.

Nothing except, you know, the capitalist plutocrats who own and control the entire planet.

Here's what happens when workers in the Global South try to unionize (not even talking about collectivization and nationalization):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaltrainal_v._Coca-Cola_Co.

>The lawsuit was brought by the Colombian trade union Sinaltrainal (National Union of Food Workers) and alleged that Panamco, a Colombian Coca-Cola bottling company, assisted paramilitaries in murdering several union members

If a country manages to collectivize industry and kick the capitalists out, that country will never know real peace again. Capitalists will assault that country without interruption, sending their CIA to stir up violence, assassinate left-wing leaders, cause general chaos (the famous rooftop sniper scenario), and cause as much damage as possible. Just look what happened to Syria, Libya, Iraq.. Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador. I can go on and on.

Communists don't understand economics and social dynamics further than a pig man meme stealing from some idiots fish pile.

>unionize
lmao

supply and demand
people are still gonna need food and services
people will still supply those things
if one business owner can't pick up the slack because he "maxed out" and isn't motivated then another business will be created by another person to fill it and take those profits.
The system works and it prevents income equality.
Decentralized small businesses in high number, far more self-employed, far less wealth disparity... whats not to like?

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The guy doing the fishing should have the top hat, he's clearly the business owner, the guy doing the stealing represents leftwing parasites who leach off of others whilst pretending to care

This. For christsakes this. It's so simple.

Looks like this thread triggered the fuck out of Chaim from Manhatten. Really makes u think.

>Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
>Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
>Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
>Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
>Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. >A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
>Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
>A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
>Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
>Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
>Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

Reminder that communists hit all ten points of a harmful cult, and it's your moral duty to stop friends and family from falling into their manipulations.

also under one potential system excess profits are put directly into the business
so just because the maxed out owner doesn't benefit from it his company which is consistently in the green will be naturally growing on its own capital with the owners inability to collect much of it since he is maxed out.
this would grow the number of jobs at the business while consistently increasing the wealth of the employees with a legally forced "trickle down" effect and if automation kills most of those extra jobs then society as a whole will simply receive the cash

Why does every right-winger have the same gross facial structures? What about right-wing ideology attracts genetically inferior people?

They're part of the same class, Mikhail Fridman

FTFY

>if one business owner can't pick up the slack
That's disingenuous, he doesn't have any reason to pick up the slack. Why should he work harder for no increase to his own benefit?
>another business will be created by another person to fill it and take those profits.
They'll take the revenue, not the profits. You've set any profits the man could earn to 0 after the limit, meaning they couldn't possible by profit to him. Again being disingenuous. But sure, another company could step in and start providing more services, at a greater increased cost, as he needs to invest in capital and labour himself, instead of the first man merely expanding his business at a greater rate due to economies of scale.
>The system works and it prevents income equality.
How? You've only set a wealth cap, it's still possible to earn under that point. All you're doing is limiting the size of the gap.
>Decentralized small businesses in high number, far more self-employed, far less wealth disparity... whats not to like?
Small businesses can't handle what large business can. Productivity goes down overall meaning less for everyone.

>Glass houses

KILL THE MASTERS

This would be accurate if the monopoly man owned the river and allowed the fisherman to fish in exchange for some of his catch.

Hey i know those guys, seems like the paracos finally catch them.

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He won't supply more capital than is need to reach his income cap, there's no reason for him to do so. It's just more use of his time and effort that provides no benefit.

>A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
rofl. suck my dick nigger

Not much different than last tsarist peas try would work for food and shelter and that's it
Also smaller companies can outcompete larger companies in a free economy because the of larger companies is more expensive thus less time time to think on new ideas
Also the commies and profligates shall hang
See:the tyranny of size; beaucracy only becomes so big before it kills your enterprise, technology decentralises enterprise soon people will to mass produce from their garage with 3D printers

Did I stutter?

Yes but we don't live in a capitalist system. Privatize profits and socialize losses. Corporations are okay, but unions are evil or illegal, etc. Workers never have a fair shot.

>lol commies r ugly nerds kek

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he's being a cringe lord on purpose

why does 1 man need so many fish anyway.

workers never will until they kill the masters.

Thanks for proving that right wing "humor" is bottom of the barrel gay shit for sub-80 IQ inbreds.

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Those people look like they're at least fifty.

That's some high level cherrypicking. Both Stalin and Che were manlets anyways, so they have to make up for somehow. Castro looks like his in the Taliban, smoking a cigar is cool, but anyone can do it.

That is not even a left wing meme you dumb shit.

BOUGIE STEP ON SNEK

An actual (industrial) capitalist
>guy A loves fishing
>he's good at it and gets a couple extra poles
>starts catching fish like a madman
>can't keep up with all the fish
>gets another guy to help him fish, let's him use his pole and his techniques, but takes 10% of the fish that guy catches.
>still tons of fish
>hires more guys, buys a boat
>now he's got 10 guys, and he is taking 10% of each.
At this point he doesn't even need to work, and he has taught 10 men to provide for themselves. He has done nothing but good for anyone.

Now, the story of the financial capitalist is very different. The biggest difference between Marxism and National socialism economically is that we distinguish between beneficent and malevolent capitalism.

You think the benefits of centralization outweigh the negatives of it and the benefits of decentralization.
I see things moreso the other way.

I think you aren't really seeing all the immense negatives that a centralized system brings and the many risks it entails.

In an ideal world it might be the better way, in an unideal world it probably is the worst way by a very large margin.

>I hate roads

>He thinks communism will save this girl and not just put everyone else in the same position
wew

Guy on the right looks like he's got an IQ of 70. He has the same beady, soulless eyes I mentioned previously. Thanks for proving my point dumbass bong nigger