Seven Counter Guardians are needed to fight Primate Murder
Primate Murder is a Beast
Seven Grand Servants are required to fight a Beast
Thus Grand Servants, if not the same thing as Counter Guardians, are equal in power to them?
Additionally, Sthenno can defeat Primate Murder because she can charm him (seen in the story) and as she is not a primate he has no power over her.
Thus, Sthenno is stronger than Primate Murder and equal to seven Grand Servants or Counter Guardians.
King Hassan alone as a non-grand can defeat Tiamat. He is clearly stronger as a grand, but we do not know how strong so let us assume that as a grand he is equal to Tiamat. He is one of seven Grand Servants, therefore seven Grand Servants is equal to seven Beasts.
Sthenno is thus equal to seven Beasts.
Ian Morgan
Kiara is >= a Beast. Gilgamesh can beat Kiara thus Gilgamesh >= Beast. Pic related can beat Gilgamesh so we can conclude that Liz > Beasts. Grands can fuck off. Liz'll handle this herself.
Carson Thomas
That's very interesting OP but can any of those losers possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him And I’m not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I’m not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. I’m not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu, equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano’o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu.I’m definitely NOT Talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus equipped with Shining Trapezohedron, I'm referring to Rinne Tensei Madara Uchiha with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikidou paths ability) equipped with his Gunbai and control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, a complete Susano'o, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in his chest so he can perform Mokuton kekkei genkai and yin-yang release ninjutsu as well as being extremely skilled in taijutsu and bukijutsu.
Jose Barnes
Grand order is not canon, kill yourself you kusoge loving autistic otaku shit
Brandon Thomas
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Luke Powell
>Grand order is not canon Are by chance a Tsukifag that's buttblasted about PM and Arc being BTFO?
Gavin Foster
Grand Order is super canon bro.
MORE IMPORTANTLY though Grand Order confirmed that Prisma Ilya is now canon too because Ilya and Kuro show up to fight Solomon.
Luke Edwards
Everything is canon and you are faggot if you don't believe it.
Jose Thompson
UNRIVALED is here now.
Luis Sanchez
>People screaming that FGO events aren't canon ever since the game started >Final chapter >All the event servants show up to fight Solomon and talk about how their events were totally canon
The butthurt was hilarious
William Jones
> Sthenno can defeat Primate Murder because she can charm him and as she is not a primate he has no power over her > Thus, Sthenno is stronger than Primate Murder and equal to seven Grand Servants or Counter Guardians This is a fallacy. You outright say she wins due to a gimmick, then you conclude that that means she is strictly stronger in any situation because of that. This is not how it works. A single sandnigger with a panzerfaust can defeat a tank, but that doesn't mean that sandnigger >= tank. Tank does't die to a rifle shot, sandnigger does. Powerlevel is a retarded concept for nasuverse anyway. Most times we see someone beating someone that happens thanks to some unique circumstances, not pure power.
Julian Taylor
Euryale is equal to her, and Medusa absorbs her and Euryale when she becomes Gorgon.
Gorgon is equal to 14 Beasts and one Medusa.
Perseus defeats Gorgon, and is therefore stronger than 14 beasts and one Medusa.
As winner of the grail war, Proto-Saber is stronger than Perseus, and thus stronger than 14 beasts and one Medusa.
Saber is equal to proto-Saber and thus stronger than stronger than 14 beasts and one Medusa.
Lancelot beats Saber, and is thus stronger than stronger than stronger than 14 beasts and one Medusa.
Connor Kelly
No, it just means that a rifle shot is stronger than a tank. It also means a tank is stronger than a rifle shot.
Cameron Gray
It means we wuz kangz n sheeit, an army of mah nigs in tanks are surrounding the capital right now, good luck shooting them with a rifle when they are in their tanks, which means a tank is stronger than a rifle unless the rifle is also some kind of anti tank gun.
Of course my nigs have improved their tanks with twice as thick armor, so it will probably be stronger than most anti tank guns.
Of course the tanks can't travel on water yet, so at the moment water is stronger than tanks, but we are working on a patch for that problem.
But do say there is a KFC shop nearby, the nig gets out of the tank and eats some KFC, which means he is stronger than fried chicken.
Some nigger steals the tank and shoots the nig when he exits KFC, that means niggers are stronger than nigs and on par with tanks n sheeit
Camden Collins
Wasn't Primate Murder Merlin's pet in an alternate universe where PM didn't meet Merlin? Cause if so, what would that make Merlin?
Oliver Long
>Lancelot beats Saber, and is thus stronger than stronger than stronger than 14 beasts and one Medusa. And Gilgamesh could kill Lancelot by opening GoB a bit more than he did in Zero, therefore he is way stronger than 14 beasts and one Medusa. Now, get a hold of this shit. Motherfucking Emiya Shirou beat Gilgamesh in UBW, which positions him leagues above 14 beasts and one Medusa.
Finally the Nasuverse has embraced the primordial anime trope: the protagonist is the strongest. Everything is in it's right place.
Owen Parker
>discussing a mobage game's plot on Sup Forums Degeneracy. Purge fatefags.
Daniel Martin
>mobage Exactly, Sup Forumsirgins don't want those on their board.
Sebastian Thompson
Cath Palug tamed and raised by Merlin: Fou Cath Palug tamed and raised by Altrouge: Primate Murder
Juan Gray
>mobage Anime comes out this week.
Oliver Edwards
Okay, BUT Stheno is a girl, therefore she loses to the D. So me>Stheno.
Leo Lee
And my dick is bigger than yours, so me>you>Stheno.
Anthony Butler
But can Shiki kill servants?
Jaxon Reed
ORT > Crimson Moon > Primate Murder > Zelretch > Gilgamesh > Arcueid ≥ Black Sakura > Berserker = Black Saber ≥ Saber > Lancer > Rider = Archer > Caster ≥ Aoko = Nrvnqsr = Kouma = Barthomeloi ≥ Kojirou > Ciel ≥ Great Teacher Hassan (GTH) ≥ "Ryougi Shiki" > V Sion = AC Satsuki = R.Shiki = Bazett ≥ Akiha = Fujino = Araya ≥ Touko = Alba ≥ 18th Roa > > SHIKI = Kiri = Reinforced Kuzuki ≥ Sion = UBW Shirou > ha Avenger > Nanaya = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Leysritt > Satsuki ≥ Rio = Avalon Shirou > ha Sakura > Salaryman Dead = Ilya = Corpse ≥ Azaka ≥ Misayo > Kirie = Zombie ≥ Dragon Tooth Warrior ≥ Fuji-nee > Shinji > Fake Shiki Characters with field modifiers (apartment, temple, barrier, terrain, full moon) are adjusted for those modifiers The ranked Arc is assumed to be at 30% Currently, Shiki variations have been temporarily united into one (Shiki = (old) limit released version, (Ryougi) Shiki = katana Shiki, Fujino = far sight activation, Touko = box equipped, UBW Shirou = with supply from Rin, Rin = armed with 10 year jewels or Zelretch. Protagonist characters such as Shiki, R. Shiki, Bazett are in the X-zone. Protagonist modifers will occasionaly surpass ranks. Replicant is under the assumption of only Reez Baife and spear key. (Hard to come to a conclusion about Arc * Akiha * and Sacchin so at the moment, put on hold. Will wait until further information) Satsuki is once she becomes a DA, and with no DG. Zelretch is at the point when he was still human (during the CM battle). Each character has already received certain evaluation and are in their respective positions currently. The current rankings are not official. To rate higher, further piling of evaluation is necessary.
Juan Miller
Nope.
Cameron Moore
Old pasta that doesn't include Extella and Babylon and Solomon. >Artoria > Sefar > Nero > Altera > War God and all of the gods together at the same time > Sthenno > Tiamat ≥ Goetia ≥ Beast of 666 ≥ Primate Murder > ORT > Crimson Moon > Zelretch > Gilgamesh > Arcueid ≥ Black Sakura > Berserker = Black Saber ≥ Saber > Lancer > Rider = Archer > Caster ≥ Aoko = Nrvnqsr = Kouma = Barthomeloi ≥ Kojirou > Ciel ≥ Great Teacher Hassan (GTH) ≥ "Ryougi Shiki" > V Sion = AC Satsuki = R.Shiki = Bazett ≥ Akiha = Fujino = Araya ≥ Touko = Alba ≥ 18th Roa > > SHIKI = Kiri = Reinforced Kuzuki ≥ Sion = UBW Shirou > ha Avenger > Nanaya = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Leysritt > Satsuki ≥ Rio = Avalon Shirou > ha Sakura > Salaryman Dead = Ilya = Corpse ≥ Azaka ≥ Misayo > Kirie = Zombie ≥ Dragon Tooth Warrior ≥ Fuji-nee > Shinji > Fake Shiki
Fixed it for you.
Noah Hughes
>Ilya = Corpse Gets me every time.
Carter Rogers
>Grand Order confirmed that Prisma Ilya is now canon but then wont that collide with the Saver class,
Alexander Cruz
Why?
Jack Myers
There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to start. Holy fucking shit.
Mason Collins
God only can be summoned on Saver, Illayia verse put Gods on the same status as Heroes, ergo why beatrice use Thor as Berserker
Samuel Butler
Saver is the messiah class, it's Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed.
Gods/divine spirits cannot be summoned in the rules of the NORMAL grail war (like Fuyuki) but different forms of the servant summoning system like the one in Prisma's parallel world (they're not even really summoning servants, just their powers) and Grand Order have different rules which is why Chaldea can summon Artemis and Ishtar and Sthenno and Euryale and will probably end up with Ereshkigal and possibly Tiamat.
Austin Lopez
Sasaki Kojirou>Dragons
Benjamin Ramirez
It's very out of date.
Jeremiah Cruz
Regend of Samurai>everything
Daniel Fisher
>Artemis Hijacked Orion's summoning >Ishtar/Ereshkigal Somewhat bypassed the rule by having Rin as a vessel. >Gorgon sisters They do what they want, that includes getting summoned
>Tiamat Very unlikely unless summoning the enemy of humanity is allowed.
Luis Parker
Primate Murder? More like Guillotine Gorilla
Colton Bailey
Kaiki > Paracelsus > REGEND > Finn McCoolio > SPARTA
Grayson Wright
Tohno Shiki can kill anything.
Hunter Lopez
>Type-Moon powerlevels
Please, it's 2016. Nasu powerlevels are so outdated. Puk Puck can solo entire Nasuverse.
Robert Morales
Masu defeated PM with her tits, beat that flat chest.
Landon Martinez
It's been established by Prototype that ultimately Beasts are just a servant class.
And the Beasts aren't inherently beasts, they gain that class through doing stuff. Goetia only became one after Solomon died and he started his time travel plan, and Tiamat only become one after she came back from the imaginary number world. So it's completely possible that we just summon her in a different class.
Besides, we already have Mother Harlot as not one but TWO servants, and there are three playable Tamamos when CCC suggested that she could become a Beast too.
Joshua Cook
>Beast of Gaia >Servant class
What?
Jacob Evans
Primate Murder was only ever Altrouge Dumbledore's pet doggy who she named that because he was ACE at killing humans, though, from what I remember.
So if Shiki ran into Primate Murder, he'd get fucked pretty bad, but if Shiki ran into Altrouge without her guardian then he could easily deploy The Gland and fuck Arc's slutty little sister into submission.
Nathan Sanders
The "of Gaia" part is part of his nature. But Beasts are a type of servant with their own spiritual foundation, that's why Manaka can summon 666 in the first place. The biggest difference is that they have bigger containers like Grands and can summon themselves (self manifestation class skill).
Aside from that, each beast number is its own separate sub-class which is why both PM and 666 are Beast IV.
Refer to Prototype (Fragments), Labyrinth and GO.
Blake Young
PM is a Beast of Calamity, an Evil of Humanity, Beast IV of the sin of Comparison. His power is to be always stronger when compared to mankind because he feeds on mankind's negative emotions.
It's basically the same thing as Ultimate One only stronger and limited to humans. If he fights humans he is automatically stronger no matter what.
This means Altera can beat him because she's an alien :^)
Lucas Hill
Retcon is the worst thing ever invented for story telling.
Carter Stewart
>Went to the military >discharged >TYPEMOONfag >missed so much >somehow became newb again
where the fuck do you guys get this info for a far east island mibile game thats not even in english?
Austin Taylor
There was no butthurt
Juan Watson
>he hasn't learned japanese and moved to japan
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Levi Morales
Kiritsugu or MoS Shirou hardcounter Puk Puck.
Jaxson Wood
If you're old typemoonfag you must know BL, right?
Anthony Smith
No, but I know what FN 5.7×28mm NATO round will do to your face.
Michael Long
What class would Tiamat even qualify for? Berserker is a given considering that she isn't exactly sane, but what else?