>be 2016
>be an-com
>laugh at all the plebs who actually vote for corporate shills thinking it will change anything
>Enter Bernie and Trump, two real contenders with no corporate lobbyists who want to take the power away from the elite and give it back to the people
>Bernie calles out the CIA for overthrowing democratically elected foreign leaders in different countries for the sake of private interest
>Think Bernie will defeat the what ever the fuck you want to call it, The Deep State, Shadow Government, The 1%, The Elite, (all different words for the Bilderberg Group)
>Bernie then gets cucked by $hillary and wikileaks reveals that she was working with the media to rig the primary against Bernie
>await bloody revolution lead by dear leader Bernie
>Instead of starting the revolution, Bernie proceeds to get on his hands and knees and happily and sloppily licks Killary's Goldman Sachs right in front of everyone
>Decide to check out Trump
>No lobbyists
>Wants to put Hillary in Jail
>Media foams at the mouth and shits it's pants at the very thought of Trump
>secretly against the federal reserve
>Brought Bills rape victims
>acts like a grown man and puts worthless virtue signalling faggots in their place
>is always right
>waits until women let him grab them by the pussy, unlike Bill who does it without permission
>can't find a single thing to not love about Trump
>Trump wins
>shitstorm ensues
>Every single leftist I try to talk to about President Trump isn't able to formulate a single argument against him, only cries, shits their pants and virtue signals
>start to hate fellow leftists and love Trumps following
>Still hate capitalism, but hey while we're here let's at least try to make it better
>MFW the alt-right hates me for being an-com
>MFW an-coms want me dead for knowing how to do a minimal amount of research on basic current events
>MFW I got 2 hours to kill with you faggots
Ask an Anarcho-Communist who actively supports President Trump anything
bump of cocaine
bump of pcp mixed with salt and catnip
Do you understand how this site works?
Yes
>Every single leftist I try to talk to about President Trump isn't able to formulate a single argument against him, only cries, shits their pants and virtue signals
Hehe, their Soros overlord abandoned them :)
Then A, stop trying to bump your own thread.
And B, stop being a meme ideology for the mentally challenged.
Anarchy in american can make things worse
t. russian shill
top fucking kek. Unfortunately, I don't think any of them are smart enough to realize this themselves
There would be no countries in anarchy because countries don't actually exist. The soil exists, flags exist, the boarder patrolman and his rifle exist, the wall (will) exist, but countries themselves aren't real, they're just little stories we tel each other.
This is true of all institutions.
I know that feel user. I'm an old guy who has been brought up in a left-wing household, but turned right-wing at age 20. I thought Reagan was going to blow up the world - instead, he ended the Cold War (with the help of Gorbachov), so I had to respect the guy for turning things around. I then looked at the people I associated with and saw them for what they were :virtue-signalling poseurs. So rejected their falsehoods and sought my own path in life.
Give it time, user.
And also of color. And human beings. Many things do not exist materially, merely as virtual objects.
also true. See: Spook
>contrys dont exist.
Ok have fun with that one.
Anarchy is the removal of a stable and sustainable goverment.
Have you ever played fallout.
Its alot like that but without radiation.
>an Anarcho-Communist who actively supports President Trump anything
t. accelerationist
I'm there with you buddy but what you leftists faggots don't realize is that the revolution is going to come from the radical right not the cucked corporatist left.
>Anarchy is the removal of a stable and sustainable goverment.
Anarchy means no rulers. In your own words (which I'm sure are not very big) what do you think the purpose of a government is?
heres a question.
If, as you say, you "know how to do a minimal amount of research" on a subject, why do you proclaim to be an "anarcho communist"?
anarchy and communism are mutually exclusive.
communism requires cooperation and a community-centric set of ethics, while anarchy invariably results in roving bands of raiders roaming a desert wasteland looking for guzzoline and victims to rape.
even the most utopian communist dreamer should understand that he will inevitably have to defend his commune from outsiders who simply wish to take everything your community built.
and rape.
cant forget the rape.
soros is not a leftist. liberals are not leftists
With the removal of any type of goverment power is no helpful with the current political climate. True corporations are as bad a goverment but goverment is also as bad as companies. But we cant do anything without both. In any case there are no one ruler in the US because in 2016 we showed the world the people still have a vote. And we voted trump.
I was a communist once. Now I'm Socialist Ethno-Nationalist.
Believe me, the longer you stay on Sup Forums and ignore leftist MSM and read atlest somewhat right wing news sources you'll become a nationalist sooner or later.
>ignore leftist MSM and read atlest somewhat right wing news sources you'll become a nationalis
>ignore opposing viewpoints and keep yourself in a bubble of confirmation bias
I develop my views from reading old books and studying history
>why do you proclaim to be an "anarcho communist"?
Because I love people. I believe that the purpose of any economy should be to allocate resources as efficiently as possible to the entirety of a population for the purpose of survival and to advance ourselves as a species, and the only way to achieve this is to have a horizontal power structure.
>anarchy and communism are mutually exclusive.
anarchy means no rulers, not no rules. Communism means that a community is responsible for taking care of itself as a whole.
>but muh dictators
Can you please explain to me how any communist country was communist? Can you even define communism?
>anarchy invariably results in roving bands of raiders roaming a desert wasteland looking for guzzoline and victims to rape.
No, that's this system.
>even the most utopian communist dreamer should understand that he will inevitably have to defend his commune from outsiders who simply wish to take everything your community built.
and rape.
Since countries aren't real and only exist as cute litte stories we tell each other, the only way people could live in something we could communism is if it was the entire planet that was part of this one community that takes responsibility for itself.
Changing definitions to fit your own understanding so you can win arguments is for liberal bitchfaggots. You're better than that user. Maybe you should do some reading
True, liberals are actually in the authoritarian right wing. I refer to them as leftists for the sake of conversation.
I was trolling /leftypol/ a few weeks ago and someone posted something like
>At least neoliberalism isn't racist
Tells you all you need to know about the left really.
You'll get feudalism sooner or later. Humans cannot live without hierarchy taking control. It's hardwired into them. Borders are made up things, but you have to ponder why they were made in the first place.
old books are important, so are new ones. ignoring opposing viewpoints is what turns people into liberals and nationalists. Try to stay current, and always change our beliefs based on new information.
THIS is a modern version of feudalism, except with luxuries like cars and iphones. Human nature is to adapt. We adapt to this economy, and the mistake we all make is thinking that capitalism (power and greed) is human nature.
>be ancom
>support social democrats
Look, its anarcho-liberal!
I only liked Bernie because he had no lobbyists, and called out the CIA at all three televised democratic bumper sticker pillow fights.
Social democrats are democrats that know how to use facebook like a millennial.
what do you think of nat/soc?
> I believe that the purpose of any economy should be to allocate resources
under true communism there is no "economy" just all the people sharing all the world in a global smurf village
but what to do with the gargamels that lurk just beyond the gates of utopia?
> anarchy means no rulers, not no rules
you should consider the real definition of anarchy, not the twaddle espoused by tumblrinas and basement dwelling "philosophers" surviving on mommy's regular deliveries of chicken tendies and Sunny D
> but muh dictators
never made that argument, thus you have erected a strawman.
not even a terribly good strawman
> Can you please explain to me how any communist country was communist?
i did not suggest any country is "communist" since there has never been a communist nation, only marxist nations that get stuck on The Authoritarian Socialist State until they collapse
> Can you even define communism?
yes. can you?
Protip: if it includes "anarchy" it aint communism. not in the marxian sense nor in the lysander spooner utopian daydreams of the late 18th century.
> No, that's this system.
somalia was a socialist authoritarian state until it collapsed, resulting in real anarchy, giving rise to warlords, "strongmen" and roving bands of cannibal raiders.
> countries arent real, and other long winded sophistries
if you had actually finished the political science course you started before dropping out to pursue a career in anarchy and NEETbux, you would have learned that all social organizations, from tribal bands of hunter gatherers to modern superstates like the USA are entirely a product of the human condition and are thus "not real", including communism.
depends. Some of them are just angry white men looking to rustle some jimmies because they don't have the strength that normal white people have that allows us to be targeted and not care.
Another part are ignorant, poorly educated Sup Forums raised incels on a Larp
the rest are Soro's shills.
Joke: Communists calling less-radical Communists liberals
Woke: Today's Communists are tomorrow's liberals.
>under true communism there is no "economy"
ya... If you aren't able to understand the basic definitions of the ideas we're talking about, then I won't waste my time trying to answer your other attempted points.
>>MFW I got 2 hours to kill with you faggots
until highschool starts?
jk fampai, what are you into, teach me the ways of the mutt.
This is ignorant, but I can't say I blame you. Ignorant plebs keep calling liberals communists, to the point that liberals actually think that high taxes just for the fuck of it, blue hair and REEEing actually makes them communists, so they call themselves communists.
You're supporting the wrong Anarchy
nice strawman you killed
No, I quite literally mean that the endpoint of liberalism is Communism.
Who told you that Trump had no corporate lobbyists?
meme balls can be funny, but not always accurate. Their is no such thing as anarcho-capitalism because anarchy means "no rulers" and capitalism (private owndership of resources) is where power comes from in the first place. Also, a "commune", in the sense of a small group of people who want to live in the woods together is not an example of communism, it's an example of camping. The Earth is home to all living things, all people, all animals, all plants, and the entire planet has to be the commune in order for anything to be called "communism".
Two questions for you:
1. What is the purpose of capitalism? Why do we have it?
2. How can capitalism be voluntary if no one one this planet actually chose to live in capitalism?
>opensecrets.org
Those are donors, not necessarily lobbyists. Need money to run, and he didn't deny it from anyone.
so youre not espousing "true communism"?
then kindly explain were you draw the bright line of personal property and "the means of production"
you see under "true communism" there is no ownership of ANYTHING (read das kapital for more information) instead all things are held in common, relying on the perfect and incorruptible nature of those who have properly accepted "scientific marxism" into their hearts to ensure no-one takes more than their "fair share" and everyone produces enough for everyone else.
since you have instead adopted some middle ground stance, your e therefore advocating socialism, presumably of the hippie daydreamer 1960's variety.
what do you say when Moonflower wants to wear "the shoes" today, but Loinfruit is already putting them on?
implying youre too clever and wise to argue with me is a weak co-out, since you never even engaged with my actual question, which was in fact phrased as respectfully as possible considering you made clear that you are a dimwit with your insistence that you are an "anarcho-communist"
obviously, youre a typical interweb gommunizt who know nothing about the ideology he espouses and thinks the communist manifesto is the founding document of communism.
heres a cock for you to suck
Pls waist your time. I know you have so much
Good to have you with us. Please remember not to blame Austrian economics (free market decentralized capitalism) for the orgy of unsustainable consumerism created by Keynesians (central banks, money printing, rampant debt as a "feature") since 1913. If you're feeling particularly open minded and want to consider the working man's plight from another perspective, I would strongly encourage you to read pic related.
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> communes are camping...
fuck yourself with a saguaro cactus.
communes are the heart of communism, and there are quite a few out here in california.
you can coome in, be a happy hippie and grow dope, then t ride down to sf or la and sell that dope bringing all the swag back to the commune where EVERYBODY shares it without concern for "who got the biggest share" or the need for an authority figure to divvy it up
communes are basically voluntary FAMILIES who come together to share everything.
most are "ruled" by elders who offer suggestions, not orders, and the group gestalt.
very rarely some member of the commune is acting poorly and can be ejected, but usually members who leave do so because they were able to sort out whatever issue drove them to drop out of society in the first place, while many remain in the commune for life and are buried in the vegetable garden.
see israeli kibbutzes and the squats in france for more examples of hippie type communes.
if you wish to argue these are not communism, then you have no idea what communism is.
Oh ok, here's your list.
opensecrets.org
List of SuperPACs, which is similar enough to lobbyists and donors.
>anarchy means "no rulers"
>What is the purpose of capitalism? Why do we have it?
Voluntarily exchange of goods and services. It's the most effective economic model known to man. Read up on some John Smith if you want expanded answers to these basic questions.
>How can capitalism be voluntary if no one one this planet actually chose to live in capitalism?
Several communist defectors over many decades of history (From the DDR to North Korea) would disagree with that.
Which is exactly why Ancom is a unrealistic pipe dream. Anarcho-Capitalism allows you to have structure in the chaos of anarchy, which is capitalism. Enter the Hoppeian utopia vision of the minarchist state. To secure a "commune" as you would call it, or a "proprietary community" as I would, you must be willing to engage in violence and hold a local monopoly on violence, there is no way around this. A capitalist structure allows such a militarized force to exist, which is the basis for any type of government to exist. After such an area has been established you're proprietary community can flourish as you see fit.
Want a dictatorship? Sole proprietary owner.
Want a republic? Set up a board of directors to that "shareholders" (citizens) elect.
Want "Communism"? Set up a joint ownership of a commune that includes a dividend in all profits the "company" makes.
>so youre not espousing "true communism"?
I'm for communism. Fascists who kill their own people and take control over peoples capital and agriculture while flying a flag with a hammer and sickle on it does not make it anything other than "Authoritarianism". Russia, North Korea and China couldn't even be called fake communism. Theres nothing about them that makes it communist.
learn to read something that doesn't come from a glowing screen.
>fuck yourself with a saguaro cactus.
lol aw, someone's cranky.
>communes are the heart of communism, and there are quite a few out here in california.
Obvious troll is obvious. and also kinda funny.
communes are basically voluntary FAMILIES who come together to share everything.
Right- not a planetary economy based on the allocation of resources. Therefor, it's not communism, it's literally just camping.
Jeez, this is getting pathetic
Why aren't you Nazbol?
>Voluntarily exchange of goods and services
That doesn't answer the question. Exchange goods and services... for what purpose?
because I know how to interrogate an endoxa and I'm not incel.
>their Soros overlord abandoned them
Maybe that's why antifa has been silently lately.
>It wasn't real communism.
Okay.
Then it wasn't real capitalism.
Or Fascism.
Or Feudalism.
Every form of government that you critize really just wasn't the true nature of themselves and therefore invalid.
>That's such a stupid argument.
This post has too many typos to fix
Because people want them. It can be luxury goods or basic food, the desire is all the same.
See, Capitalist don't need to convince people to live with them. The constant market of consumer goods that makes peoples lives easier ensures that they desire it.
Simply put, capitalism sells.
>opensecrets.org
Well I'll be shit covered dick.
Close enough for me. I stand corrected.
Capitalism is an economy based on the exchange of capital in exchange for goods and services based on the supply and demand of the marketplace.
Communism is a stateless, classless, moenyless society that takes responsibility for itself as a whole.
How the fuck is this so hard it's literally just reading a definition
The realization of a 100% egalitarian global community requires the abolition of exclusionary and preferential social structures like "friends" and "family". If you're in favor of that, you're at least honest, but you're also an insect-person whose way of thinking is so totalitarian and aberrant to us that we'll have to oppose you at every turn if we can. If you don't abolish those institutions, your hypothetical global community will revert to tribalism as people assert their local interests at the expense of the nebulous "global community" with which they don't identify.
>Because people want them.
You're missing the point.
What is the purpose of a phone? Communication.
What is the purpose of a house? Shelter.
what is the purpose of a chair? Comfort.
I ask you
>What is the purpose of capitalism?
you answer
>"lol idk cuz we want stuff i guess"
then you let out this doozy:
>The constant market of consumer goods that makes peoples lives easier ensures that they desire it.
How do you explain 22,000 children dying of poverty everyday, and how have you been able to avoid learning about basic economic concepts like "cornering the market" or planned obsolescence?
You're not really doing so well, but I'll give you another try if you want.
What is the purpose of capitalism? Why should we use it?
lmfao what in the fuck are you talking about? We're all biologically related, so we kinda are a hige biological family sharing a space rock anyway, but the person who gives birth to you is still your mother. You can still have freinds. I know you probably don't have any right now, but that's beside the point.
I'm all for family and friends, so much so that I don't any of them to starve to death. All we really need to abolish is the concept of money itself.
>a 100% egalitarian global community requires the abolition of exclusionary and preferential social structures like "friends" and "family"
holy shit where do you come up with this shit
Why an-com? At least be Stalinist.
>holy shit where do you come up with this shit
Ask Friedrich Engels.
>With the transfer of the means of production into common ownership, the single family ceases to be the economic unit of society.
>Private housekeeping is transformed into a social industry.
>The care and education of the children becomes a public affair; society looks after all children alike, whether they are legitimate or not.
Excerpt from "The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State". "Read a book", as you commies like to say when pushed for details.
>How do you explain 22,000 children dying of poverty everyday
Genetics. Niggers don't have the future orientation necessary to maintain agriculture, so they always fuck it up and starve themselves to death.
Ethnocultural difference in time preference is certainly a factor, but you'd be remiss to ignore the fact that UN aid removes the incentive structure for local farming. Can't compete with "free", so the handful of unicorn-rare Africans with the time preference needed for farming cannot do so profitably.
>How do you explain 22,000 children dying of poverty everyday
Mostly sub-saharian genes, lacking the evolutionary steps required to cope with life in a Western-modeled large scale society but good enough for surviving in hunter-gatherers prehistoric tribes wandering the grasslands of Africa.
At least use lube Burger, it's the polite thing to do. Give him time, he'll probably be a white nationalist in a year or so as the left continues to collevtively lost its mind.
Comie nigger
>UN aid removes the incentive structure for local farming. Can't compete with "free"
How can someone be so oblivious to his own contradictions is beyond me.
Taking OP's number as true for the sake of convenience, there are 22,000 children starving each day plus an unspecified numbers of adults and elderly and God knows how many severely or moderately malnourished. If that's true then obviously whatever free aid the UN is sending isn't nearly enough to cover the demand, quite the opposite it is severely lacking. There is plenty of room and opportunities (selling food to the starvings, can't get any easier than that) for any entrepreneurial African, however unassuming, to get going. And yet they don't (read pic ).
Meanwhile in Haiti they don't farm the soil: they'd rather eat it.
>youtube.com
He's probably gone by now, which is a shame. I want him to understand his mistake and either own up to being a bugman or rethink the ideology he preached without fully comprehending.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying niggers are budding agriculturalists kept down by YT, but the already scarce selective pressures needed to get good are further suppressed by the manna from heaven supplied by the (((UN))).
>(all different words for the Bilderberg Group)
you mean the juice.
So is gravity.
>Still hate capitalism, but hey while we're here let's at least try to make it better
Communism in any form doesnt work because the lack of competition allows mismanagement and inefficiency to bloom. Just like in nature where predator and prey both evolve via competition, so must institutions, businesses and people.
The purpose of a leader is to give a society and its people a goal for which to strive for and to direct its struggle toward achieving that goal.
As you've stated, a society without a leader has a horizontal power structure, but is also only capable of horizontal feats. You'll be BTFO by the first disciplined aggressor, whatever his methods of invasion may be, simply because your ideal society as a whole isn't cohesive enough to either understand the threat or reach consesus on a response against it.