Only guns that could fire one bullet before lengthy reload processes existed when the second amendment was written!

>Only guns that could fire one bullet before lengthy reload processes existed when the second amendment was written!

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Yes, the same firearms as the government had access to


also someone post machine gun from the 1700s

>inb4 puckle gun cucks

Shall not be infringed

That ar looks so fucking uncomfortable

Damn, I was too late.

1.) SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
2.) Something, something, in all fields.

>>Only guns that could fire one bullet before lengthy reload processes existed when the second amendment was written!

Girandoni air rifle. Also, Jefferson advocated for private ownership of warships which were the most powerful thing anyone could own at the time

Came to post this.

so canons are ok? awesome!

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>THEY MAY TAKE MY DELEGATES

>BUT THEY WILL NEVER TAKE MY FREEDOM

*pulls charging handle*

/thread

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle

Educate yourself, shitlord

SHALL

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It was the most powerful weapon of its day.

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What are the limits Under the second amendment, could I own a nuke? A-10 warthog? Gustav? Metal storm?

>don't bring up facts

Ok, then the First Amendment doesn't apply to the internet, right?

>Only whiskey, sharp sticks, and hack saws were available as health care in 1795! There's your free fucking health care!

>civilian muskets commonly had rifled barrels to make them more accurate when hunting
>military muskets were mostly smoothbores because they were cheaper to mass produce

Civilian guns were actually better than military ones a lot of the time.

If you can't own it, the government shouldn't have it either.

Because they're scary

False. This thing existed and was perfectly legal for citizens to own, as were cannons and other heavy military weaponry.

>literal feudal peasent levies are the equivilant of a professional standing army

the second amendment is so you can fight the gov. as the gov gets more advanced weapons so should the people. its really simple stuff.

Except 21 round magazine fed .46 caliber semi automatic rifles were standard issue in several militaries by 1779, and existed long before the constitution was penned. Also, most of the naval ships and artillery pieces used to fight the revolutionary and civil wars were privately owned.

Why can't liberals into guns?

Yes.

It's actually false, but for a different reason. There were rapid fire weapons available at the time. Some of the most notable were the puckle gun and the giardani air rifle (90% sure I misspelled that last one). The air rifle was actually issued to the Lewis and Clark expedition.

Not factually correct.

You should obtain one of this "one bullet" guns and use it in yourself, retard.

Sage

In California ballistic missiles are limited to 9 warheads.

None, technically. The only negative factor is cost.

>lets just change the constitution with no recourse

why don't you guys remove the 5th amendment too! get those guilty people testifying

your first amendment does not apply to using the internet because the internet was not yet invented by white males when first amendment was written

also since you want to re-establish original law, only white males should be able to vote

also obumercare was not written by the founding fathers or section 8 housing

Holy shit... are you guys REALLY this dense?

To protect from the government one must be equally armed. To protect from invading foes that have AK-47 we should have rival weapons such as AR-15 and M16.

>The first amendment only covers printing press newspapers

FIRST AMENDMENT BTFO

>only cars that could reach a top speed of 20mph existed when the government decided citizens could drive vehicles in public spaces!

We really need to re-enslave niggers.

1650 =/= 1776. 175 years of innovation. The fuck kind of graphic is this?

oh fugg we're fugged guys Sup Forums isn't in print oooooohhhhh FUGGGG :DDD

Shit analogy baby brain

not true. there was an experimental version of the gatling gun available that the founders were aware of when they wrote the 2nd amendment

>A10 warthog
Absolutely, providing it was unarmed, if it was armed with a 30mm autocannons or any rockets, missiles, or bombs greater than .50 in diameter you would have to file a $200 tax stamp for EACH device, and wait for the BATFE to approve them

>Gustav
Again, absolutely, file your $200 tax for a destructive device

>Metal storm
Seeing as it a breechloaing devices I don't think you would even need a background check. It's like a musket. However they are not for sale to the public from the company that makes them.

>nuke
There are no laws on the books for a private citizen owning a nuclear weapon, because they are so hard to make, maintain, and slice materials for. If you have a team of the most brilliant scientists and engineers on the planet and the materials, and millions upon millions of dollars, go for it.

Guns were so slow back then. You would have to spend minutes reloading after firing the first sho-

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The weapons should match the governments. It is already unconstitutional to outlaw full autos

Under this fallacy freedom of the press wouldn't apply to the Internet.

Even though this is incorrect as others have pointed out, let's follow this logic.

Please explain the justification for the possible muzzle-loader ban then.

nraila.org/articles/20171117/muzzleloaders-now-targeted-by-giffords-gun-prohibition-lobby

>because they are so hard to make
Thank God for that. Imagine if it were easy to build a nuke

it's understood that since there were no automatic rifles at the time, they were included anyway.

as well as the way in which the Internet has freedom of expression, even if there is no reference to it in your constitution

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle

Invented before the constitution was written. Was commissioned and used by Lewis and Clark on their expedition.

>Other than multiple rapid fire guns existing in the late 1700's no rapid fire guns existed in the late 1700's

go fuck yourself

Correct.

The point of the second amendment is that if your government goes dickhead fascist and your citizenry is against it at large, they have the firepower to make it not worth the government's time to implement said dickhead fascist government.

This being because if the citizenry can't own competitive weaponry then they're left with their limp dicks while the police state rolls in.

Of course, a government is much more competitive on expenses, but the broad point of having firearms on every street preventing true fascism stands because drones and stealth bombers can't watch even a statistically significant percentage of your populace at large and enforce martial law on them

50,000 rounds fired per kill in Vietnam, 250,000 rounds per kill in Gulf war+

Fuck off already. The faster they shoot the more cash for the war industry.


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you are all of course in a "well-regulated militia"

in the hands of every well-ordered militia man im sure

>literally never sold in America, let alone for militias
>applies to 2nd Amendment

These gymnastics are getting ridiculous, and that's coming from someone who wants autos to become mainstream.

Long time GOP voter and Trump supporter here. Enough is enough. Americans are now being mass murdered on a regular basis. It’s time America comes together to support common sense gun reform. There is absolutely no reason for a citizen to own a high powered AR-15 military assault rifle with a clip that holds more then ten bullets. We all want a safe country and its time we did something about it.

2A was drafted so that the American people "have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, including their own government." If you're anti-2A, fine, but who are do you think you're kidding with such an absurd argument? You think a 1650 musket would defend against an M4 Carbine?!

Much of machine gun fire is just suppressing fire. It isn't even aimed at anybody in particular. For instance door gunners will fire machineguns or miniguns randomly into the tree line as other choppers land and unload or pick up troops. They easily expend several thousand rounds despite not even seeing an enemy.

Same goes for infantry maneuvering. Machineguns will open up on areas enemies could be hiding as another group of troops gets up and runs across an open area.

The idea is to keep the enemy from shooting at your buddies by making them duck for cover if they are in the area.

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I never understand the confusion over this.

They literally specify on the same line that the purpose of the amendment is to allow citizen militias to overpower government if necessary.

It is thus entirely obvious that citizens should have the rights of access to any firearm that the government has access too.

low quality bait

Rifles, including "assault rifles" (a made up term), and regular rifles, are the least used type of firearm for murder. They are also used less than knives, blunt objects, or punching and kicking. You have no clue what the fuck you are talking about

Cant tell if youre joking. people used to own battleships back then. prototype repeaters were in existence. the founders were all tech-savvy and often pontificated upon future technological advances.

and before you get all nuts and spout some "times have changed" bs, note how few people actually die in firearms related deaths... then consider the fact that that number includes accidents and suicides...

>implying no technological advancement in 140 years

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Is that why Giffords wants to ban muzzleloaders?
nraila.org/articles/20171116/gabby-giffords-s-gun-control-group-releases-report-warning-of-muzzleloaders-other-firearms

Don't liberals value their fetish for dick of lives of other Americans?

So what?

That just means op can kill himself quicker. And op thinks thats a bad thing....

They had cannons, Gatling guns, semi auto rifles and used small pox as a weapons. So you are full of shit.

The same logic states that that weaponry was roughly the same between militia and civilian.

Therefore, I want nuclear warheads and A10 Warthogs.

Fuck you, liberals

>Only printing presses that could write one page before lengthy reload processes existed when the first amendment was written!

Repealing NN suddenly makes sense

Maintenance and fuel costs for the A-10 might be cost prohibitive. Most middle class people can't even afford a small single engine propeller plane. It would be much cheaper to have a collection of several supercars.

>what is suppressive fire

you've obviously never served as a grunt.

You could own battle ships and build army's.

No, you are just a pathetic nigger dick sucking faggot hoping to stir some shit. You are a soy eating regressive cuck. Go check and see if the bull or your wife's son needs anything.
Bitch

you cant do shit, besides they are for our own protection, not yours not anybody elses

So the same reason privately-owned artillery and warships weren't common back then?

>you cant do shit
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Just you wait till his second term fag.

>Only presses that could print one page before lengthy reload processes existed when the first amendment was written!

RIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTTTT........

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>the first amendment only applies to printed word
Do you understand how dumb you sound right now?

You can lol

we know, now they're better, fuck man go away

you could also own cannons and buy a boat and outfit it with artillery and canons comparable to anything the military had access too.

Privateers made lots of money working for various governments as private military contractors.

>the second amendment only applies to certain guns
Do you understand how dumb you actually are?

>Only property owning white men could vote, the founders could have never imagined anything else.

Keep dreaming you undercover libtard, Trump will never pass anything against our 2nd amendment rights and you should quit before you cause catastrophic damage to our country

Slide thread don't forget to sage.

Actually, this is banned by the Constitution, the army part, I can't find the exact article right now.

stop trolling.