I think you're overestimating how 'liberal' the west is or has been. Yes, we're fairly liberal for the most part now. But just speaking to my own country, Britain (which I think is as fair a representative as any for liberal values in western europe), from the 17th century into the start of the 19the century and beyond, we bought and sold Africans as slaves, treated them unequally before the law, and tried to use poor science to justify our racist views of them. Women have been treated appallingly historically in the west, only winning the right to vote in 1918 (and that was far from the end of the problems).
Britain only made marital rape illegal in 1991, and beating your wife was legal in most western countries until the 20th century, and justified on the basis of it being a legitimate exercise of a husband's patriarchal authority to discipline his household as the head of the family. Homosexual acts in private between men over the age of 21 was only decriminalised in England in 1967, and it took decades to go beyond even this still homophobic law and normalise legislation across the UK. Up until 1918, the only people allowed to vote were about 60% of males, often restricted along the lines of property ownership.
In other words, we have spent about 1,900 years of the last 2017 years of our history openly and violently discriminating against women, the poor, and ethnic and sexual minorities, criminalising them, enslaving them, beating, harming and murdering them. At every step, at every push for progress in these areas, liberals have been met with resistance from reactionary and conservative groups, who sought to justify this discrimination.
And now that the conservatives have lost the war on these issues, you lot now have the gall to act like we've all been liberal all along, that the west's history is a 'liberal' one, and that Muslims are the bad ones stuck in the past, fundamentally incompatible with an 'open' and 'tolerant' Europe.
It's historically illiterate bullshit, and it's arguing in bad faith in the first place, because Nazis don't give a shit about any of these things - they're perfectly happy to beat, murder and imprison gays and foreigners, to allow women to be back under the yoke of male patriarchs, etc.
Also, someone please enlighten me as to why gays, women, minorities, etc. should be oppressed and treated garbage, beaten, killed, etc. You could literally rape your wife here and minorities were oppressed and treated like garbage, there's 0 excuse, try to make an excuse so I can laugh. And you wonder why people want to punch you.
Evan Rivera
didnt read it sage
Evan Hill
tldr sage
Xavier Gomez
Also, in before "I cant debunk this so I'll call it a strawman"
Ayden Barnes
IM WITH YOU MY BROTHER\SISTER\NIGGER\SPAZZY\QUEER\BEAST\OTHERKIN
Lucas Carter
Wow! You sure got me!
Andrew Russell
I WILL LITERALLY KILL ALL NAZIS...... FOLLOW ME FELLOW COMMIE
Compare the 'atrocities' you've described to the normal conditions throughout world history and the condition of nature which your awful civilization brought you out of. Abundance, freedom, prosperity, equality and comfort aren't a natural resource that fall from heaven like manna, they're won through great difficulty. Your attitude that western European nations should be held to a higher standard than all the slavery-practicing women-oppressing countries the world over, and that white guys are the ones responsible for bringing about a world better than has ever existed before, is blatant white supremacy. Get out of my Sup Forums, you nazi. >hurr durr I can't be bothered to learn that the entire history of Islam makes British colonialism look like a burger franchise You fucking close-minded ignoramus cunt.
Noah Sanchez
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Chase Parker
I wanted to read this but I'm not in the mood right now.
You should make it shorter next time comrade.
Jose Gutierrez
This is bait right? Why would you type 2 pages for shitty bait?
Why do people on the right always use pictures like this to make fun of the left? Sure they might not be the most attractive people but they just look like a nice happy couple. What is wrong with you?
Nathan Ward
FUCK YOU .... YOU AINT NO BOLSHY GTFO
Chase Powell
Compare that to the barbarianism of Africa and the Islamic world.
Brandon Russell
Capitalism can allow all those things and still be better than communism, id rather have a few beating than 50 million murdered all because to control
Hudson Watson
FUCK THE SYSTEM.... YOU ARE A SELL OUT
Cameron Lewis
tl;dr
Matthew Rivera
Nobody was destroyed by that load of shit Commie.
Zachary Campbell
And yet the result of the time periods you deride was a massive improvement in the human condition, while communism brings only suffering, intolerance and death.
Seriously, you need a trip code. How about 'sock cucker'?
>>> > Anonymous (ID: g5JabGaq) 12/01/17(Fri)02:43:29 No.151550087▶ > >FUCK YOU .... YOU AINT NO BOLSHY GTFO IM THE REAL DEAL..... WILL SEND YOU TO THE GULAG
Also the Islamic world still does all those things while the West has evolved past it.
Daniel Murphy
King Cuck
Ayden Scott
And yet the result of the time periods you deride was a massive improvement in the human condition, while communism brings only suffering, intolerance and death.
Seriously, you need a trip code. How about 'sock cucker'?
James Price
It's not a straw man, it's an appeal to a moral authority. That is the premise of your argument, that the west has been immoral. You are not the moral compass of the west. If anything, you should read Neitchze so you can understand the subjectivity of morality.
Cameron Robinson
Capitalism is actually the driving force behind the liberalization of the world.
Capitalism - and its technological 'progress' - did more to 'liberate' women and end slavery in the West than any 'progressive' movement.
Jason Butler
Europe is more liberal now than it had been historically. Nobody contests that. Who the hell are you "destroying?"
Ryder Price
We don't oppose muslims because of their values. We oppose muslims on racial grounds. How many times do we have to repeat this. We are a RACIAL, particularist movement.
Lucas Evans
its our turn to rule... Anarcho_commie forever....
Nicholas Ward
>we have spent about 1,900 years of the last 2017 years of our history openly and violently discriminating against women, the poor, and ethnic and sexual minorities, criminalising them, enslaving them, beating, harming and murdering them
Why stop at 2017 years? Humans have been doing this forever...
Thomas Jackson
Wrong. Feminist movements, at least here in the U.S., have origins in Abolitionism, which has its roots in certain 19th century Christian sects.
Noah Wright
In the immortal words of Sargon. Who cares you're a fucking communist.
Sup Forums was already kill when everyone bumps these slide threads because the
CANNOT
RESIST
REPLYING
TO
THE
JEW
Nice work, Shlomo. These faggots bump your drivel because they support Jewry and nothing else.
NOW EVERYONE POST IN THIS JEW THREAD.
Gabriel Sanchez
The Chinese sum you up the best Baizuo
Brody Gray
Dubs
Jack Moore
>poor science
Science nevertherless you faggot, you dont get to choose what is good or not like that without refuting it using the scientific method, either that or (((you))) are a hypocrite
Connor Mitchell
This pol is fucking dead man. Migrate or go outside
Brandon Foster
HAHA.
Oh please tell me you are joking
Joseph Cook
You act like liberal ideas are a good thing. It turns out that society enforcing a non jewish model of society promotes the health and welfare of its citizens, the contributors not the parasites. Liberal ideas are about weakness and helping the non contributors steal from the healthy parts. That is a sickness, cancer, the cells that do not produce take from those that do. So yes, liberalism is literally cancer in society.
Jordan Taylor
>cotton gin and dishwashers
Yea pretty much.
Camden Rivera
Delusional. Capitalism produced things like the fridge, the washing machine, the automatic dish washer. These inventions were far more consequential than the feminist movement. In fact, both came about during the time of great technological advancement. I assert the technological conditions of the time produced feminism, and thus the 'liberation' of women.
This is the doing of Capitalism. Under Capitalism, liberalism will always prevail.
Logan Davis
Its good to let the jews spew their lies and then to rebuff their bullshit. This isn't a hugbox and it shouldn't become one. Not many pllaces left where you can call them out on their bullshit. Some people enjoy answering their lies even if its to no purpose except for the reading pleasure of the normies lurking. Why let their lies go without retort?
Ethan Collins
Ok just for fun I will refute your points one by one. >Muh Slaves Big deal, slavery was practiced on the Ottoman Empire until it was disbanded in the early 20th century. It is still practiced by many cultures in the world today. Blaming whites for slavery is just a bullshit attempt at emotional blackmail. >Muh Aboosed women Rediculous! Even though women were locked into marriage they were hardly abused and for many generation, up until very recently, just about always outlived their husbands. Women have always been the head of the house in the west, men have worked shitty and dangerous jobs to provide for them. >Muh right to vote. Irrelevant since for the majority of human history NOBODY had the right to vote. In the rare cases of democratic rule during human history only landed gentry could vote in republic style governments. >Muh faggotry. Bizzare since some of the greatest cultures in western hisyory openly practiced homosexuality.
You jold the West to an unequal standard than the rest of the world faggot because your real goal is to undermine western traditionalism to open the way for the horrors of Communism. You and your ilk should be hung from the highest trees as an example to the rest of your kind.
Caleb Thompson
Can a society based on positive rights really be considered liberal?
Jack Edwards
Wait baizuo is a bun filled with a little meat/vergetable material. Like a breakfast sandwich.
Hudson Butler
Ugly people can't be happy. Happiness is reserved for beautiful people. Prove me wrong.
Liberals, socialists, and communists think their little peasant revolts reorganized the world order. No. Technology as a result of capitalism reorganized the world order. Capitalism destroyed the monarchies. Bolshevism just came into the pick during monarchy's last breath. It had come upon a half-dead body and claim victory. The surfs would have been free'd with or without 'progressive' social movements.
Adrian Roberts
>Preaches gommunism >Soy boy fave >iPhone
Predictable
Cooper Cook
BLACK AND RED NIKES.... #AnCom Confirmed status... FREE THE WORKERS
Owen Johnson
Not the OP but i'll take a crack at your faulty logic.
>non contributors steal from the healthy parts The health of a country is not the health of the upper class. If you have an excess of poor, even if you are a 'contributor' as you say, you now have to deal with higher crime and violence rates every time you leave the house. These people aren't going anywhere, and when educated and given the means to give back, it only takes one generation before that happens.
nccp.org/publications/pub_911.html Some sources providing information on how the likelihood of being poor and a drain on society increases exponentially based on the income of your parents during your childhood.
Now, these people are 'citizens' as well. You don't get to go "oh i like this group so they matter". There's a word for what happens when that kind of thinking comes to popularity. It's fascism.
Now, fascism is fine and dandy so long as you're the 'in group' right? Well that group gets more exclusive as resources get more concentrated for a small percentage and more scarce for the majority.
That in group is then made more inclusive by those in power, and if you weren't lucky, you're now one of those 'parasites' who doesn't count. This happens in standard democratic capitalism too, and ironically you've already bought into it, but the thing is, when this happens with fascist mindsets there's nothing stopping you from being killed/enslaved. Liberties as a countryman? You don't deserve those because you're a parasite, so technically we're not being unconstitutional.
You've already, like most users, been tricked into thinking about minorities/other subgroups like this most likely. Under the guise that it's "the truth" and you're "redpilled" when in reality you're catering to what a good amount of elites want right now.
Mostly theory, but historical study shows that this is the case a fair amount of the time. It'd work really well in america, too.
Blake Bailey
DESTROY THE STATE.... VOTE LABOUR
Sebastian Myers
>In other words, we have spent about 1,900 years of the last 2017 years of our history openly and violently discriminating against women, the poor, and ethnic and sexual minorities, criminalising them, enslaving them, beating, harming and murdering them.
To use the word discrimination for things that happened long ago is fucking ridiculous. If you tried to create a feminist society in 900 your little feminist utopia would get eaten alive by your neighbours.
Ryder Wilson
Just means Bai (白, white) zuo (左, left)
Bentley Ramirez
4th line from the bottom >that in group is then made more inclusive Meant more exclusive, I apologize.
Christopher Sanders
What makes you think ugly people are not happy? Most people that are "ugly" (at least self-conscious about their appearance) have learned to deal with it. Your conception about peoples appearance being the only thing that matters is kind of weird and has no basis in reality.
Christopher Anderson
It was a mistake to enfranchise more people than landowning males. It was a mistake to cease discriminating, because discrimination is the process whereby we sift out the good from the bad.
For about 1,900 years we lived comfortably and in peace. We ended slavery without communism, and we civilized the world. Communists disrupted this, therefore communists need to be expunged, along with all your worthless acolytes.
You don't know it yet, but we have already won, and all the horrors you intended to inflict on us, we will inflict on you. We see through your words and you are just like your friends the Islamists, and you are both evil to the core. You modernists don't understand the idea of good and evil; that's because you are evil, and so we will send you to your father the devil, who is a liar and murderer just like you.
You brought it on yourselves, you were the subversives, but we learned, and you will live under our boot or be crushed under it.
Jason Robinson
Labor grows the State, not shrinks it.
Landon Baker
true it's always "i deserve this i deserve that" what about a society based on negative rights so we can all collectively fuck off
Matthew Perry
trips of truth
we're the good guys now, go to africa and ruin their country with your fucking retarded soybitch ideology
Kayden Parker
There's no way this isn't bait, but here is my rebuttal.
Lmao who cares. Fags like you are the only ones who actually give a shit about any of this. Niggers don't even care they were slaves except they know they can get free shit if they play that card. Women like to be manhandled, I'd think you'd have figured that out when they refuse to sleep with you.
Also, >treating foreigners as equals in the land that is your birthright ?????????????????
Carson Mitchell
Since the late 1970s the real wages of the working class have flat lined as productivity and corporate profits increased at historically consistent rates. The chief reason being the expansion of the working class due largely to feminism and the destruction of the nuclear family. So here we see liberal policy stealing form the poor to increase the gap in wealth between classes.
Your shit sounds so nice but look how it oppresses the worker.
Nolan Powell
Taxation is theft, and only landholding white gentry should be enfranchised.
Adam Price
le le le le le le le le le le lololololololol hahahahahahahaha XDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Elijah Clark
>attributing that to feminism and destruction of the nuclear family
That's an inherent aspect of capitalism. Greed is a human trait, and those with the power to take, do.
Nathaniel Powell
t. someone who thinks he'll truly be one of the ones voting
Its marxist ideology not capitalism that breaks up the family. Subsidizing single mothers, advocacy against religeon, promotion of degeneracy in the form of promiscuity and redirection of wealth from producer to non producer. If you want something to grow you subsidize it, liberal policy seeks to grow dissolved families and unemployment.
Christian Peterson
Reducing history to "x, y, and z were beaten and oppressed until recent history" is inaccurate and intellectually lazy.
TL:DR your a stupid nigger who can't be concise with your words because you require verbal diarrhea to say what needs to be said.
Brody Murphy
Also thats a very anti Semitic comment
Logan Martinez
>what is Australia, the post
Wyatt Edwards
I mean, you're not even talking about the main point. I didn't claim capitalism did break up the family. I claimed capitalism is inherently unsustainable and this happens every time a capitalist country gets too developed with too little regulation on job creators and service providers.
Literally why we left england, are you retarded? You're pretending these issues are a thing inherent to marxism and liberal ideology but there's no link to be made there.
This happens in pretty much every type of economy we've demonstrated on a grand scale, and has been happening since humanity began recording their exploits. Marxism/liberalism/communism/etc is a relatively new concept in that timeline.
Lincoln Taylor
>Sup Forums is one person with one ideology Wut also no niggers aloud
Jayden Morris
ALL NAZIS WILL DIE
Aaron James
Why are you posting traditional white women you fucking hypocrite
Asher Reed
Yay Gommunism! FRe moni!
Josiah Cox
How is “buy our stuff” not capitalist? >1488
Nathan Perez
>Uses communist symbol and says there a liberal >complains about the murder and oppression of minority group even though your ideology is responsible for the genocide of millions of people Stop pretending your a liberal you authoratarian fuck
Jackson Reyes
Most US immigrants from europe were german not english. No one left europe because of capitalism it was largely to escape the rising intolerant left. They didn't come here to be cared for by mommy government. They were individualists who practiced self reliance and were willing to make their own way. Those are strong capitalist views with enlightened ideas about personal freedom based on indivudal responsibility not big government nanny states that regulated speech and behavior.
Sebastian James
Antifa didn’t stop the Nazis. Siberian winter did. Please fuck off back to Etsy.
Thomas Davis
>knowing this little of historical reasons for things
Fuck man, I don't even know where to start.
Benjamin Murphy
>Smash the state In favour of the EU superstate
Wyatt Hill
Start with the puritans vs the pilgrims then move to the amish and mennonites. After that talk about the ideas behind the bill of rights.
Aiden Price
You will know when the muzzies take over and start lining you up in orange jump suits to make video to send to us who actually have the right own weapons.
If you think you are going to be non muslim and keep your head, maybe you should move to the ghettos in pakistan for a year IF you make it that long, you will be a muslim. You think its a joke. You are going to find out your muzzie buddies want and are going to kill as soon as they can.
It is also funny to me. You didn't mention Jimmy Sevil and the royals pedo ways in your rant about how you brits enjoy watching you children be raped and murdered. Well now instead of just the royal family feeding on your kids, you get to see them abused daily from you friendly muzzie pets.
Sweet dreams.
Jose Flores
No one cares
Jonathan Moore
And believe it or not, wanting regulation of capitalism is not 'anti capitalism'.
People paint the left, and progressives in general, as though they want communism. Most of them want a system that doesn't let people hoard extreme amounts of wealth. They don't want this because 'oy free handouts lol'.
They want this because they realize a country has a finite amount of currency to be distributed among it's citizens, and the more an individual saves, the less is available to the rest.
This would be fine if there were some rich people, some poor people, some middle class people. It's not fine when niggers are hoarding 90billion dollars and not spending on anything, because as you know if you're not retarded, capitalism relies on spending to create growth.
Hoarding money, and the ability to hoard money, literally fucks the economy. I aint suggesting you shouldn't be able to get rich if you're a smart dude. I am suggesting that the money somehow has to be given back, to some extent.
People who want a complete lack of income and savings taxes don't realize, if that's the case there is no country. There is only the individual.
How is fucking over your entire country so you can get rich patriotic? How is that not a betrayal of the country? If the idea of getting super mega rich and keeping that money in a bank account forever sounds american to you, you're a brainwashed idiot.
As bad as you probably think jews are, if not worse because it's not even for your own benefit. It's for someone elses.
Asher Allen
so we agree that the jews must be eliminated. A sub group that values only profit for themselves without regard to the larger society should be removed.
On the other hand we must be practical. Scientists don't build anything, engineers do, so we must have a practical application of theory not just theory. People are by nature greedy and lazy. The system we implement must leverage those traits. Universal income and state manged economies produce inefficiency, corruption and poverty because they are operated by humans. You must have both carrot and stick and apply them fairly. If you allow citizens to lie down and eat for free then many will do so even if you think they should not. Life must be a challenge at every turn if you want humans to thrive and be healthy.
Jace Thomas
The left just has a hatred of people more successful than them. No, rich people don't 'hoard' wealth nor are you entitled to their money.
