To understand the Catholic faith, one needs to be intelligent. Constant study of the bible, teachings of the early Church fathers, tradition and the Holy Mystery.
To understand Protestantism, one needs to cherry pick a bible verse and create his own interpretation. Lastly create his own denomination.
To understand agnosticism, one needs to understand how you can be moral without faith in perfect moral God.
To understand atheism, one needs to be edgy, virgin, hedonistic/nihilistic and angry in everything. Believing that life after death is nothingness, like the creation which came from nothing.
Faith, good works and tradition. So why aren't you a devout traditional Catholic yet?
Catholics don't read the bible. They pay the priest to do that for them.
Ethan Hall
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Jacob Bennett
>life after death is nothingness, like the creation which came from nothing
It's in the bible nigger.
If you believe in heave you fell for the jewish scam of indulgences
Joseph Perez
To understand the Catholic faith, one needs to be shep how folows what some prist says.
To understan Protestantisem, one needs to atully read the bible
Jason Parker
Catholic here, It's really demoralizing having a Pope that would rather me be replaced with kebabs. Kinda makes me think the church has been subverted and I should check out what the evangelicals have been up to.
Michael Allen
>They pay the priest to do that for them.
Protestants literally adhere to the tithes, while in Catholicism you only give what you want not what you can. You can even not give a single penny every mass. Plus the Catholic Church is one of the largest charitable organizations in the world while maintaining prestigious aesthetics of churches.
Daniel Stewart
hominem unius libri timeo
Jayden Lewis
>heave heaven*
Hunter Clark
Wrong. The world isn't accidental, because human action has a moral meaning and end. You were endowed with certain tools as a human and it's your job to use them according to moral ends. Why were humans endowed with conscience? It's completely useless from the point of view of biological processes and the work of muscles. It all indirectly shows that the world has a hidden structure which Aristotle called Logos
Jaxon Miller
>To understand the Catholic faith, one needs to be shep how folows what some prist says
Besides the spelling, protestants literally just also follow what their pastors say. In case of having their own interpretation, they just create another denomination.
>To understan Protestantisem, one needs to atully read the bible
The Catholic Church, who compiled the works of apostles which literally created the bible. Why would the organization which created the New Testament itself not read the bible?
Jose Lewis
>preening like you've read the classics But why, user?
Connor Davis
I don't deny the existence of god, essence, logos call it what you want. Consciousness is a biological process you nigger. What I deny is the existence of heaven when you die. You die you die it's over. It's in the bible nigger
Jonathan Cooper
The catholic faith is trash abandon the false faith.
Worship the true Gods Zeus.
Juan Clark
Because religion is a scam to oppress people and take their money. I'm guessing that it initially arose to curtail certain poor behaviors of nobility and royalty, but it transformed to become a control mechanism of average people.
Dominic Hill
No, to understand atheism, one needs to stop being a pseudointellectual millitant catholic living in a religious bubble and accept that different people can have different beliefs. The belief itself is simply the belief that there is no god.
Ayden Bennett
>Catholic here, It's really demoralizing having a Pope that would rather me be replaced with kebabs.
You must read the book of revelations and the warnings of the saints regarding this matter, it is foretold the the dome will be overtaken. But if you believe that one day we will have another pope that goes full 1488, then you also believe what Jesus said: "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it".
Easton Walker
protestantism is what destroyed the west. The idea that anyone should be able to interpret the bible in their own way is what lead to liberalism, individualism, modernity, and relativism.
Jose Kelly
Catholics worship idols.
Jackson Butler
To be a modern day Catholic, one must not actually read the bible but instead go to church to listen to what a pedophile priest says. Also you must be too much of a bitch to leave the Catholic social circle you were born into. You also need to be ignorant about the history of your religion or else you would want to quit.
Hunter Adams
what? This just pragmatic thinking. Why do humans make moral judgements on what they do? This is an ordinary question
>Consciousness is a biological process you nigger I mean conscience, not consciousness
Charles Lewis
>What I deny is the existence of heaven when you die.You die you die it's over. It's in the bible nigger.
Say the exact verse(s) which says that there is no heaven. And if there is none, nothing after death. Then what's the purpose of being good or bad if there will be no consequences after death?
Brandon Murphy
Let's hear your opinion on deism if you have one, my good meme flag.
Thomas Ross
I see, it definitely isn't good from an evolutionary standpoint to preserve a society. Our species have much higher chance of survival and moving forward when living in a complete chaos.
Humans are tribal, humans need to live in a society, conscience makes you preserve morals, morals preserve a good society.
Nicholas Ross
Just trying to figure you out friend
Ayden Evans
>should check out what the evangelicals have been up to.
They're busy adopting black babies, marrying white women and black men and hiding illegal aliens in their "churchs"
Logan Garcia
Eat shit and die. You can be anything and everything with no restrictions as an atheist. You live your life for yourself, you live the only life that's ever been given to you in a way you see worth it. You make the decision to advance society, you make the decision to work for the greater good, You make the decision to be a good person. That's what being human is about, not about following some stupid book. It's like, religious cucks refuse to acknowledge that as a human, they can follow more than nature and instinct. To them, god is their instinct and to question and think for themselves is a scary almost unknown thing to them. To be a religious cuck, you have to be...afraid
Zachary Miller
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Lucas Watson
>but it transformed to become a control mechanism of average people.
The same reason why we have governmental and international laws. Humans by nature will either be ignorant or abusive when given absolute 100% freedom without remorse. Laws were meant to regulate actions, don't compare it communist policies which takes the soul of men.
Easton Parker
Sup Forums: where teenage and 20-something-year-old Internet-porn-addicts come to pretend to be evangelical Christians.
Go shove the Bible up your ass you motherfucking FAG.
Michael Long
>why aren't you a devout traditional Catholic yet?
Because I sided with the correct church. The Orthodox Church.
Liam White
At the risk of exposing my ignorance of scripture, what warning of the saints?
Josiah Reyes
>humans need to live in a society animals live in herds
>conscience makes you preserve morals what for? You could just eat, use muscles and use simple intelligence, like animals
>morals preserve a good society. but you can have a stable society with some basic morals, animals don't murder each other all the time and they don't have pangs of conscience or moral dilemmas, they don't go to confession
Alexander Martin
anglo atheism is irrelevant in europa, It's not a conflict here, we're just not religious. Schopenhauer already made fun of atheism that argues from science, because it assumes you need empirical evidence to disprove an obvious phantasy
Christopher Richardson
protestants only care about themselves and their relationship with jesus. They have no respect for community and tradition and give christianity a bad name
Jason Price
>belief that there is no god.
You must not have gone enough into nature/outside or at least experienced the sorrows and joys of life. Even scientists nowadays are turning from atheists into agnostics, if not religious, due to the string theory. That everything has a pattern, everything. That everything has a maker due to those patterns.
Owen Ross
I'm not a jew, I'd be an American if one of my forefathers didn't fall inlove with some wagonburner. Sadly I am just a FUCKING LEAF
Elijah Barnes
>The same reason why we have governmental and international laws. Humans by nature will either be ignorant or abusive when given absolute 100% freedom without remorse. Laws were meant to regulate actions, don't compare it communist policies which takes the soul of men. The difference is that laws try to be fair and sometimes/often even are logically sound. Religion is not. The other difference is that religion sells you a lie about a deity. Laws don't.
Ethan Scott
>That everything has a maker due to those patterns.
Everything doesn't have a maker. Things can be formed through natural processes.
Zeus and the Olympus are the true Gods, Yahwah is a false God and Abraham a satanist contacting demons.
Jaxson Green
so where do the natural processes come from?
Jose Gutierrez
>Faith, good works and tradition. So why aren't you a devout traditional Catholic yet? I am and precisely because of the principles you mentioned. Although the orthodox share them with us
Alexander Perry
Nah, I'm an atheist, because I was not born religious, I was not raised religious and I don't have anyone in my family or social circles who is religious and convincing enough to make me reconsider my beliefs.
I'm not 100% sure there is or isn't a god, but I can't help but believe in one or the other. I see agnosticism/gnosticism as about equally believable. Now subscribing to one of the religious teachings is where it gets a bit stupid. I have no need for a religion in my life, so I'd rather define myself as atheist and be done with it.
Isaac Fisher
For now I can give you one because of the vastness of the topic. These are foretold by Saint Bridget of Sweden:
"“The time of Antichrist will be near when the measure of injustice will overflow and when wickedness has grown to immense proportions, when Christians love heresies and the unjust trample underfoot the servants of God.”
>Christians will love heresies Some example are liberal catholics who are supportive of gay marriage
“Lastly, he shall arrive, the most wicked of men, and, helped by the Jews, he will fight against the whole world; he will reign during three years, and shall have dominion over the whole earth; he will make every effort to abolish from the earth the Christian name, and very many Christians shall be killed.”
>helped by the jews Always remember that Catholicism are very much awake of the facts regarding jews and their wicked ways.
“Rome will be visited by sword and fire and plowed under.”
If you feel hopeless, always remember that it's been always the Catholics who fought the muslim invasions (why Poland is so based, they even prayed the rosary in their borders), most battles are fought with the numerical advantage against the enemies of Church like the battle of Lepanto but through prayer of the rosary Catholics won, as well as the battle of Vienna. It's always the most miserable time when God sends hope.
Cameron Edwards
>anglo atheism is irrelevant in europa, It's not a conflict here, we're just not religious.
Everything starts when an inch is given.
Lucas Kelly
Jesus is a demon all Christians worship demons.
Jacob Perez
>Always remember that Catholicism are very much awake of the facts regarding jews and their wicked ways. this. people would be surprised at the amount of catholics who are anti-semitic
Jack Jenkins
Deities are made by men, men are made by God. That is the most important difference here. Polytheism is a lie. You offend God but foremost you ability to reason.
Josiah Martinez
>Always remember that Catholicism are very much awake of the facts regarding jews and their wicked ways.
Nah. Probably like 25% or more of Catholics are Jews themselves.
Back in the day European countries used to kick out Jews, but the countries would usually make an offer, "Convert to Catholicism and we won't kick you out."
So a lot of Jews did convert.
That's why so many Catholics look Jewish, with their big noses and Jewish hair.
Now they're moving on to Hispanics. They even made the Pope a Hispanic man. It's turning into a non-white religion.
Austin Murphy
Haha is that what you do? You just keep asking questions of things that can't be known because of it already have been happened way too long ago for humans to even have been around to know so you just assume it must have been a God? Oh man, the Christ cucks never fail to amuse and frustrate me
Hunter Fisher
Intelligence is our defining trait, of course our societies are going to be exponentially more complex than theirs. I don't know about moral dilemmas, but some animals do have conscience All in all, we are just speculating here.
Adrian Jenkins
>implying any of these statments are true kys retards. catholism is for spics
Landon Smith
but at the same time catholics venerate patron saints who represent certain human archetypes without worshipping them, so its the best of both worlds. Catholicism adopted the good parts of paganism and incorporated them while at the same time worshipping god above all else
Samuel Carter
Please, just give me a quick answer. I'm a Catholic, I pray every day, attend church every week (unless I'm really ill or something, but that almost never happens), try to be as kind to the people I meet as I can and try to be as non-degenerate as I can. Is that enough to save me?
Michael Sullivan
I'm not asking you to tell me with certainty how the world came to be, i'm asking you to tell me how you think it came to be.
Isaiah Ward
yes.
Justin Turner
One search in google and that can be answered easily.
Camden Flores
The story continues showing how the gods mated with each other to complete the whole of creation. Nyx and Erebus mated, and Hemere (day) and Aether (air) were born. Nyx also gave birth to other gods like Moros, Thanatos (death), Nemesis, Hypnos (sleep), Eris and Keres. Uranus and Gaia became the first gods to rule. Uranus then mated with Gaia and produced Cyclopes and the twelve Titans (a race of giants). One of the Titans was Cronus (Saturn). And from here the pantheon of the famous gods of Greek mythology begins. Uranus was jealous of his children and condemned them to stay in the womb of Gaia; however, Gaia, with the help of Cronus, punishes Uranus by castrating him. His genitals and his blood fell into Earth and created another set of gods—Aphrodite, Erinyes, giants and nymphs. Uranus and Gaia spoke a prophecy to Cronus, telling him that one of his sons would overpower him. As a result, Cronus decided to swallow their children. Gaia was able to save baby Zeus (Jupiter), who was raised on the Greek island Crete until he, with the help of Metis (another Titan)
Isaac Jenkins
Thanks for that, (lol Sweden)
Charles Morris
>You also need to be ignorant about the history of your religion or else you would want to quit.
The more read about the history of the Catholic church, its teachings and tradition, the wars they fought just to save Europe, the mysteries, the miracles, the charity, etc. The more you'll incline towards it. Don't let your innate hate, just because your pastors said so, be the judge of your views towards us.
Justin Cox
>I don't wanna be responsible for my actions.
Go suck a cock
Angel Myers
Okay, but it's the people around me I'm worried about. I know that according to the bible, the majority of people will go to hell, and I honestly can't live with this knowledge because I know non-Christian people who are more respectful and less degenerate than I am. And there's also people who will never have the chance to find Christ because of the circumstances in their live, for example commie countries where people are told their entire lives that Christianity is a lie. Of course this is not true, but how could such a person know, especially when they most likely won't even see a bible in their entire lives?
That's just a quick rundown of what worries me so much, I wanted to create a thread later this day about it to elaborate on my thoughts, but don't have the time for it right now. But I just would like to have an honest answer to give my mind some rest for the moment.
Justin Hernandez
Nah. You're a fuckin' moron.
I don't know why the mods allow topics like this to stay up. This board is for politics and current events, not a place for you to act like some annoying street preacher.
Why aren't you a Catholic hurrrrr.
That's fuckin' off-topic. If the staff here wasn't inept this topic would be deleted.
Kevin King
I have left my faith before, but have come back because the thought that everything in this world is meaningless in the long term is not something I can deal with. And I also see what Atheism has done the West, and how kind the Christians I know are. And, last but not least, I can feel deep in my heart that Christianity is the truth.
Jeremiah Nguyen
in the beginning only chaos and void existed throughout the entire universe (The Greek word chaos does not have the same meaning in which it is used today, but simply meant empty space or a dark void.). Chaos was followed by Gaia (which means earth) and Eros (which is love). It is not specified if Gaia and Eros were born from Chaos or whether they were pre-existing; however, Hesiod mentions that Gaia (Earth) came into existence in order to become the home of the gods.
And so it is said by prophet Hesiod in 800BCE
Christian Sanchez
>god can only be blamed for good Me and God have a lot in common it seems
Isaac White
For centuries the common people had no access to the bible because copying machines didn't exist so each bible was hand copied by monks, which took years to do. People merely listened what the pastor would tell them without question
Luis Morris
>Why would the organization which created the New Testament itself not read the bible?
why did the catholics kill people for simply reading the Bible in their own language? cause they didn't want people to know the un-biblical blasphemy they were up to.
also, how do you explain the removal of the second commandment? they sure love them some idolatry. i prefer to worship God and not men (popes/saints/Mary,etc.) and objects
William Reyes
Follow the true light.
Hunter Gonzalez
>The Orthodox Church.
As much respect to the orthodox, which even priests does not call them just a mere orthodox but rather apostolic due to its timeframe with the foundation of Catholic Church, I can't side with them. It's just envy the reason why they split:
"My understanding has always been that this happened primarily because the See of Constantinople was unwilling to accept the claims of the See of Rome that (a) the Bishop of Rome (AKA the Pope) was infallible and that (b) his jurisdiction extended to all Christians everywhere."
Always respect the nation that give birth to the power of western civilization: ROME. Without Rome there is no western civilization. Constantinople did not secede to the power of Rome.
Samuel Myers
Religion influences our actions and thoughts. Our actions and thoughts influence the world.
Oliver Hernandez
>he thinks religion isn't inherently political
Hudson Campbell
Responsibility is something bigger than "if you don't do as my book says, you are going to burn eternally". For example, I value life above all, because it's the only life I have. I also want my children to lead a good life. That requires a good society. Therefore, it's my responsibility to uphold morals to preserve it.
Logan Rivera
The church is a flawed institution of man that is easily corrupted. Just look at your current pope
Jeremiah Thomas
The Olympians are the Gods and Hesiod is his prophet.
Jordan Flores
i also take issue with you lumping the early fathers into what the catholic church came to be. sure, they invented the term catholic to mean universal in their attempt to canonize the new testament and render the gnostics as the frauds they were but they would scoff with anathema what it became
Jackson Young
Also it was in fucking latin, which was only known by sholars. The literacy rate in the middle ages wasn't tge greastest, too.
Adrian Lee
This as well
Julian Robinson
this was abused throughout the dark ages. but once byzantine fell to the ottomans the older greek texts found their way west and people began to translate in their own language. it proved the Latin Vulgate was a trash translation and full of errors. in response the catholics started to inquisition to murder thousands of christians for the crime of reading the Bible in their own tongue
David Reed
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Catholicism. The faith is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of the bible most of the traditions will go over a typical Christian's head. There’s also the pope's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from ancient Greek literature, for instance. The followers understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these traditions, to realise that they’re not just traditions - they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Catholicism truly ARE idiots. And yes, by the way, i DO have a crucifix tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid
Connor Lewis
>why did the catholics kill people for simply reading the Bible in their own language? cause they didn't want people to know the un-biblical blasphemy they were up to. also, how do you explain the removal of the second commandment? they sure love them some idolatry. i prefer to worship God and not men (popes/saints/Mary,etc.) and objects
You just summarized of why protestants doesn't study well the Church before they criticize. Give example of the time when Catholics kill people just because they read the bible in their own language.
>Catholics worship men like Mary and the Saints
77 times I have to see this everytime. Ask a Catholic if he views Mary and the saints as Gods. No one ever said that Mary is a God, that saint lucy, jerome, joseph etc. is a god.
>then why pray to them?
Because they are closer to God, we assume that they are already in heaven. We pray to them for INTERCESSION. We VENERATE them NOT WORSHIP THEM.
Battle of Lepanto when Mary helped to defeat the numerically superior ottomans, stories of miracles through intercession of saints. You can just only imagine how powerful the intercession of these holy people. CATHOLICS BELIEVE IN MERITOCRACY. We believe that in order for you to be closer to God and answer your prayer fruitfully, you have to prove yourself first. You just dont say "sorry I'm not doing it again" and then sperg out when your prayers are not answered.
Steps: 1. Be in a state of grace >confess your sins both to God and priest Why to priest also? Because of what I said, TRADITION. Jesus said to the apostles that whomsoever they forgive, will be forgiven likewise whom they don't will not.
2.baptism >protestants do this too so no further explanation
3.Eucharist >prots hate this Why so we do this? Jesus said when he took a bread and wine that bread is His body and the wine is His blood, eat and drink it, DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.
4.good works >all time hate of prots (continued)
Adam Smith
get off it. that's why they eliminated the second commandment and you know it. the pope himself is the self-appointed vicar of Christ and gives himself power over Jesus himself.
and you have no grasp of history if you don't think the catholic church killed people for reading the bible in their own tongue. there's many historical sources and the Church would even admit it. i'm sure you've read layola. the jesuits were basically the shock troops for the pope.
Kayden Perez
(continuation) Prots believe that just mere faith is not enough. If you really read the bible then I don't have to cite the verses, but two apostles have contradicting verses, one said that faith alone saves while the other said that faith without good works is dead. HENCE CHARITY AND CHASTITY is pursued in the Church.
5.Martyr No explanation needed.
TLDR; all of what the Catholic Church do is based on scriptures and tradition PASSED BY THE SAINTS THEMSELVES. BECAUSE THE FIRST POPE IS AN APOSTLE.
Julian Butler
I'll be gone now, but I'll check back later and would greatly appreciate if someone could help me ease my worries.
Lucas Long
peter was not the first pope. linguistic hoops about a rock doesn't make that the case. anyone who would espouse the merits of people with personalities and behavior like pope's during the reinassance is not right in the head in my opinion. but not a lot of people know the history. the ridiculous premise of a pope being infallible even over biblical teaching is atrocious and blasphemous. they don't get to do that just by issuing a bull here and there
Levi Thompson
You cannot separate religion and politics, oh well why did I expect much from a serpent.
Samuel Sullivan
No wonder catholics didn't want people to read the bible, it turned them into retarded evangelicals.
Xavier Collins
You fucking retards make me sick. A simple question, would you rather believe in something or know something? Surely, you will come to the conclusion that knowledge is greater than belief. Surely then, it follows that you must find god, not find faith in god but find god, what I mean is you must find out what in the fuck god is!
Faith. Jesus Christ, some of you people are so retarded it is beyond belief. By merely knowing what god is, I have become a lot more confident, my purpose is clear, there is no hell that I can go into that I wont be able to get out of with the help of god.
What did Jesus Christ say about finding god? ONLY THROUGH HIM! NOT SOME FUCKING CHURCH. NOT SOME FUCKING IDIOTIC INTERPRETATION OF X, Y OR Z! THROUGH HIM.
FUCKING HELL PEOPLE, GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER!
Chase Reyes
I agree that religions and politics may overlap, but your topic is shallow and off-topic.
"Why aren't you a Catholic?"
You're acting like an annoying street preacher. You're not talking about anything political.
Andrew Adams
Why is god a "he"/male? Does god have divine testicles and a penis? No you fucking retard. Why is god not female?
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU FOLLOW PEOPLE WHO DO NOT KNOW GOD BUT ONLY HAVE FAITH IN GOD? KNOWING > BELIEF Why do you insist on fucker yourself over?
Jason Moore
and you never offered an explanation for the removal of the second commandment? you justified idolatry as veneration but why the need to remove the whole commandment and stretch one into to two? cause a pope said so? get outta here with that. by the middle ages it was a full fledged scam as the coffers were filled by selling saints blood and bones and stuff. sick. let alone the scam of purgatory and milking people for cash to get themselves and past loved ones into heaven. also sick. indulgences are just another of many examples of the church usurping the power and role of Christ
>every time a coin in the coffer rings, the soul out of purgatory spring.
Andrew James
>Okay, but it's the people around me I'm worried about. I know that according to the bible, the majority of people will go to hell, and I honestly can't live with this knowledge because I know non-Christian people who are more respectful and less degenerate than I am.
Forgive me because my mind is tired and clouded from answering as much as possible, but if it was either St. Augustine or St. Alphonsus who said it is true that majority do go to hell, a saint once said when she had a vision of hell only 3 out of 60,000 souls entered heaven. The rest in eternal damnation. >why? "many souls go to hell not because they are bad enough, but because they are not good enough"
>for example commie countries where people are told their entire lives that Christianity is a lie. Of course this is not true, but how could such a person know, especially when they most likely won't even see a bible in their entire lives? "those who have given a chance to Learn Jesus but did not believe will perish in the depths of hell, and those who did not even had the chance shall be in libido, where they will wept because they will feel the separation from God immensely."
Aaron Long
FOLLOW THE CHURCHES LIKE THE FUCKING SHEEP YOU ARE. WITHOUT ANY CURIOSITY OF GOD! YOU TRY TO PREACH SOME SHIT YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT BUT YOU JUSTIFY IT WITH "MUH BELIEF!!!1".
YOU ARE PATHETHIC. Why is god male and not female? Why can you only find god through Jesus Christ?
Follow the church into their retardation, go ahead, but you must know, you have the ability to figure out what god is.
God has been explained so much that you idea of god is so wrong, it is totally and utterly disgusting. And now you want others to follow the same retardation, because >muh superioty of faith. Jesus Christ man, do you even listen to your own nonsense?
Find god or go fuck yourself.
Elijah Lewis
I've never met a Catholic who even reads the Bible, let alone the early Church fathers.
John Williams
>Faith, good works and tradition. So why aren't you a devout traditional Catholic yet?
Get your clergy, who are sinless and perfect due to the sacrament of Holy Orders, to stop ass-fucking children and we'll talk.
Jonathan Barnes
yes good points but..
>So why aren't you a devout traditional Catholic yet? question is why are you not orthodox?