How did world superpower USA lose to this, /pol?

Small asian men in holes, lanky Afghan men in mountains. Why is the USA so shit at fighting wars in the last 50 years? There has to be an explanation

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When the enemy uses pregnant women, boys and girls to deliver grenades beneath our Humvees its a different war. We fought Vietnam on their turf where they thrive. That's why. In Afghanistan, we fight in mountains on their turf in guerilla warfare. Read about guerilla warfare and you'll quickly understand why its so effective. Hint: Special Forces use guerilla tactics primarily.

But the US won on the battlefield?? I think your question should be, why are Liberal college students Geo-politically illiterate and easy to manipulate.

Because of the UN war engagement laws.

"war crimes", human rights and all that bullshit.

Were forced to handle the enemy with kiddie gloves, and the recent cuckening of the military with Leftist bullshit isnt helping either.

war for profit

Dissent within the army, poor morale from the hippie movement. Other jewery.

>implying you dont do the same

american soldiers take like 4 weeks to train and be at their top standard

>be 18-20ish soldier
>prime of life
>well fed
>well trained
>first world equipment
>you can do 100 push ups
>and then flex a paint can with your cock
>can kill five gook villagers alone in HtH
>mr skeletal pops out of a dirt pile
>shoots you in the back with thirty year old rifle

I really love guns but the fairness they add to combat feels very unfair.

Lmao you literally sprayed fucking hectares of noxious gas on them you retard, your army is complete dogshit, hence why you lost

Won by what measure? They wanted to defeat North Vietnam, they ended up making peace and evacuating...

The USA did not lose any war to any vietnamese.
We are not a territory of vietnam and we do not speak their language.
They did not attack us on our soil.
It was an exercise in resource management and containment, not a war.
AMA, op.

I get it, but why the fuck didn't you lot expect that?! Especially seeing as Afghanistan and Iraq was your second time in the Gulf and came decades after Vietnam

They won nearly every engagement, forced the Cong underground and at one point in the war occupied the entire territory. They only withdrew because of the backlash back at home. That isn't a military rout.

says the country that has leaned on the USA for all their defense needs since 1941.

My understanding was you wanted to overthrow North Vietnam because communism. Or at least stop it from potentially spreading communism to South Vietnam/elsewhere.

But you ended up running away like the French. Enlighten me if wrong

squatting is superior

We lost because of the home front. Too many political things hindering victory.

the US was a government fighting for a government's sake. so to them, it's a gentleman's game. we defeat the enemy and they agree to do what we wanted them to, right?

the foreigners are always fighting for their existence. as far as they're concerned, america wants to destroy their nation and take it over. so they fight like men who might never have a nation again, not men who stand to win a fucking game to decide who gets more oil.

Democracies are bad at fighting wars in the modern era. Just the nature of the beast. If America were run like Prussia there wouldn't be a Vietnam left.

Aye it was probably a success for whoever produced all those helicopters

>my understanding is muh communism
You should probably research the topic more. It is far more complex than that. If that is your opinion, you don't understand any of the nuance involved. You already revealed that when you lied about the US forces being beaten on the battlefield. The Vietnam conflict was not lost by the gun, it was lost by the reporters camera.

The Viet Cong were essentially destroyed in the Tet offensive. The North then had to use NVA regulars. They got the shit kicked out of them so badly they Giap was ready to hang it up. US politicians saved the NVA.

Two things defeated us.
1) The Media
2) Comfy Couches back home.

America won the Vietnam War.

Far more complex than communism, okay so name one other reason you went to war over there apart from communism...

No genuine military historian would call the evacuation of Saigon a military rout. Vietnam was a major political defeat for the United States, not a military one.

they were fighting an insurgency, large swats of the population in the South didn't want Americans there and hated their government and were willing to help protect fighters, Amerimutts couldn't distinguish between friend and foe and started attacking everyone

Usa killed vietcong 10 times for every 1 american death.

The radicalized hippie generation undermined america's military might. They openly sided with the communists and have continued to be america's enemy to this day.

Now you got the Bernie SJW half of america siding with ISIS instead of their own country. The roots of this go back to the hippie extremist era.

Because when you are fighting people who have never had a TV in their lives, they are alot more patient and you just want to get back home and live your boomer life. It's easier to just install yourself in the government and Jew them out.

We were backstabbed by communist Jews on the homefront. The (((media))) and (((peace movement))) were owned and operated by kikes. They destroyed our morale.

>Pic very much related

On containment:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Containment
Regarding resource managment; we understood this not to be an actual war, the USA was not ever truly in danger from vietnamese invasion or attack. What the US did want to know is how to fight a more 'efficient war' or rather police the world with as little resources as necessary. This was not an actual war with tactical nukes and the best the US military industrial complex has to offer. We pulled out because we were not willing to spend anymore and realized how truly outnumbered the southern Vietnamese were. Even if the southener won, theyd have to deal with an overwhelming, resistant north

>You already revealed that when you lied about the US forces being beaten on the battlefield. The Vietnam conflict was not lost by the gun, it was lost by the reporters camera.
You've been reading revisionist conservatard histories to cover up the fact Amerifats can't win against insurgents and are shit at guerilla wars, they would have been there for years and years because there would always be new fighters

To uphold the democratically elected regime, protect the middle class and former French colonial assets. Stopping the spread of Soviet influence, was merely a bonus. But it wasn't the pre-tense. The US was already obligated to solve the crisis. It was in-part political, in-part greed and in-part Humanitarian. The war was fought viciously and the American public were shocked by the use of Napalm and other bombing runs the US did in Nam'. This is why the war ended, the American public had no heart or stake in it. And propaganda on both sides was thrown around like confetti.

If someone named “Art Goldberg” is involved you just know it is subversive

>t. typical shit talking cowardly Ameritard that hates a fair fight
This attitude is why America looses wars. The American military is by and large cowards that hide behind technology. America looses or worse bombs a country and runs away before a real war breaks out because it hates fair fights. This attitude is prevalent all throughout American culture. It's most Americans compete at anything in adult life. Americans are cowards that are afraid of fair fights and being proven the losers that they are

amer*cans are retarded and cant fight

We let niggers join the army.

hippies didn't do shit and just want to take credit, the fighting on the ground wasn't going to stop no matter how much bombs you kept on dropping and you still haven't learnt your lesson yet

You sound like Richard Nixon's gay fuck bitch.

(((Bergweinsteinrossman)))

Yeah you didn't provide anything of substance. I know in your peanut brain calling someone a "conservitard" amounts to a genuine historical argument. But why not go play outside? Adults are discussing history. Unless you can show me the US forces getting beaten on the battlefield by the North Vietnamese other than a tactical rout. (Which you probably don't even know what that is.)

Dude, they make our tennis shoes . . .

out of dead american garments

becouse their lifes are too good, they don't want to lose it so they suck in combat.

plus they are just awfull manlets

Get a load of this faggot. Their mentality is typical of the end result of Americans losing. After a loss the goal posts are moved and the lose is rewritten as a draw or win according to a story created after the fact.

You're telling me upholding the democracy of fucking Vietnam was a bigger reason than opposing soviet influence? I'm out, mate, you're a quack

>jew extremely detected

In my example the villager was also hiding behind technology. And in doing so won a fight he had no chance or right to have won otherwise.

I'm right there with you though war would be far more fair if we still fought melee and bow.

>budweiser
Thats not an American beer though

...

The military cannot stand up to the lefts outrage when people get killed. You wanna know what happened? We let journalists embed into units and they showed the people back home what war really was- something that your average person can rarely stomach. most people are not suited for the rage of war, let alone merely witnessing it.

>After a loss the goal posts are moved
Containment didn't start or end with the vietnam 'war'.
We learned a lot about what it takes to drain the resources of the opposition, and we would ultimately use that knowledge to shut down the soviets in Afghanistan later.

The issue was big swats of the South Vietnamese were willing to support fighters and help hide them and support them out, the government support came mostly from the Catholic minority. What would "winning" look like?
You see the same thing with American intervention later in Iraq, same issues.

Why is op a butthurt faggot?

Seriously, what is with all the bashing of the US? Is it all the threads pointing out how Europe is being flooded with shitskins while the US is building a wall and deporting illegal immigrants?

Stop being so butthurt that the "le 56% face" meme applies more to Europe.

>the American public had no heart or stake in it
This

False. America lost because no matter how many of the enemy were killed it didn't matter. The enemy just kept coming. This forced America to choose between exterminating an entire countries population and becoming the new Nazis or admiting defeat and pilling out. America chose to loose face and loose the war rather then unequivocally prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that America is an uncivilized barbaric murderous war mongering country.

But then unlearn it for Afghanistan II and Iraq?

Those two things are syonymous you fucking idiot.

We were in those places for different reasons. I think we're in Afghanistan as perpetual occupiers to prevent Iran from creating a direct oil pipeline to China, a firing range for experimental weapons in beta testing, and for the Opium. Geopolitical chess board strategy.

>british royalty
>jewish-nig children with ginger features

The backlash was a big part of them pulling out but the other part was that they couldn't possibly defeat all the guerillas.

Americans have never won a war against guerilla forces. It's a complicated matter and i don't feel like writing you a paper on it.

Look up the Russian war in Afghanistan. They had similar problems.
Also americans in afghanistan...

Where's the butthurt? I'm halfway through some Vietnam doc series, we don't get taught this shit in Brit school

Says the guy supporting kissingers wars and bullshit.

>It's most Americans compete
*Most Americans won't compete

They didn't. PAVN was an conventional army that invaded South Vietnam.

US military completely raped just about everything the gooks threw at them. Communists and leftists at home threw a huge shit fit which made pussy politicians pull the army out.

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As long as our officers and troups (sic) perform tours of duty limited to one year, they will remain dilletantes in war and tourists in Vietnam. As long as cold beer, hot food, rock and roll and all the other amenities remain the expected norm, our conduct of the war will gain only impotence. The wholesale and indiscriminate use of firepower will only increase the effectiveness of the enemy and strengthen their resolve to prove the superiority of an agrarian culture against the world’s greatest technocracy… The central tragedy of our effort in this conflict has been the confusion of a sophisticated technology with human commitment. Our bombs may in time destroy the geography, but they will never win the war… We need fewer men, and better; if they were committed, this war could be won with a fourth of our present force

The US sucks at counterinsurgency because the US military is built around feeding a military-industrial complex made during the cold war. It is worth noting the US military has not won a war since WWII.

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You were meant to provide reasons other than Communism, so if your reasons were synonymous with communism, you dun goofed, Leaf.

The only other reason you gave is to protect the French hmmmm

Imagine being this retarded...

Literally the gayest comment on the chan, and that is saying something. Complete denial.

even Nixon said Kissenger was a, "good one."

We didnt unlearn it in Afghanistan and iraq. We pulled up right along side Iran to scare the shit out of them, toppled the leadership in the two neighboring nations and created a power vaccum that the Saudis and israelis filled with ISIS.
At the same time we caused a civil war in lebannon then forced hezbollah in lebannon to shift its forces to syria and now back to lebannon.
We're running the opposition thin.
Theyre fucking exhausted and generations of middle easten men are dying.

Its not. See here for the follow up

>losing to a bunch of starving peasant farmers
what other times has this happened? hmm

Interesting. That quote was mentioned in the doc I'm watching: "we fought the same year 10 times" because of the 1 year tour thing

Gooks hiding in the jungle with an Ak47 while America drops bombs from air planes is not hiding behind technology. Don't be silly. The enemy had no technology to use beyond AK47s, grenades and knives. We are talking about an enemy that literally relied on sharpened sticks. GTFO with gooks hiding behind technology in Viet Nam. They were farmers armed with less technology then the average American sport hunter ffs.

How do you stop an insurgency? In the modern era you can't just up and kill entire villages. Wholesale slaughter is forbidden. So you're left fighting an intelligence war with an enemy you can pin down. We can fight and win conventional wars easily. Look at Iraq while the army was still functional. 5th largest army in the world by manpower and we steamrolled them in a month. The issue arises when we occupy the nation and then encounter insurgencies. No modern nation can win against one without resorting to brutal tactics.

The Americans had nothing to lose. The Vietnamese had everything to lose. When you're fighting for all you have left you give it your all. No amount of firepower or military training can compare.

This too. Plus the war itself is profitable.

Everyone knows that asians are the true masterrace. wh*te subhumans BTFO

Americans didn't lose any battle. They would've won if they stayed for a few more years but they elected cuckold politicians.

Fair enough that at least makes sense even though it's stretching things a bit

>Average Americans wanted no part in genocide regardless of the political and msm spin
fify

Checked. Bingo. And unlike past generations they're infecting the youth through social media instead of dying and fucking off

False. This statement is typical shit talking bravado that appears after a loss is too great to bare by the loser's ego. It is worthless and without merit outside of American propaganda.

His point was it would be better for whites with superior body structure to roll back to older styles of warfare since guns do not take advantage of what we are about. Or at the very least that guns/modern warfare do not play to our physical advantages as much as they did say.. 1500 years ago.

>Theyre fucking exhausted and generations of middle easten men are dying.

been saying this for years--the Iraq war, in particular, is a depopulation scheme.

>invade hornet's nest
>allow super-porous borders
>depopulate SW Asia of any high-t fighting males

you niggers wouldn't believe the level of spray/pray that Muslims employ

This! Vietcong were almost beaten. US military was backstabbed by hippie leftist fucktards.

Its why Obama was pissed when we decided to BTFO the Balikatan Exercises in the country. It's where white bois earn their jungle kangz skills.

Debatable. The war caused them economy to go into the shitter for the 1970s.

>Britbong talking shit about the US military
The British military hasn't been a world power since the fucking 1700's

OP needs to Learn the difference between counter insurgency and general warfare, should probably read instead of writing faggety posts.

>Americans have never won a war against guerilla forces.

Do the Philippines not count for some reason?

We committed one of the great blunders, never fight a land war in Asia.

The Vietnam War, was also the birth of Political Correctness. The Political
Powers in the U.S. would not allow the war to be fought without PC. This made the war Unwinable.

The objective of the americans were to stop the spreading of comunism.

They leave and comunism reached south vietnam.

the usa may won all battles but lost the war because they didn't acomplished their objective.

>how did you lose to that
By not winning. A total win wasn't the strategy.
Which is bad strategy. Political circumstances are blamed.

JEWS

>Checks flag
>Not trolling Burgers about Vietnam

Well that was unexpected