ITT: All pious Christians and those with an interest in the faith are welcome to discuss all aspects of Christianity!
Sometimes in these threads, anons post concerns about whether or not they're "Good Enough" to be a Christian, they see the opportunity to have a meaningful relationship with God almighty, they see the comfy church life and fellowship, and they think to themselves:
"I'm not worthy of that, I'm just a/an ____________. They wouldnt like me, I do/ did____________!"
Well dont worry my friends, none of us are perfect. We all have our deficiencies yet god loves us anyway. Consider this passage:
"As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him. While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. When the (((Pharisees))) saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” -Matthew Chapter 9
We dont claim to be perfect, we're just normal people and I want to make this claim to everyone out there; if you're interested in learning about God, or the church at all, feel free to stop by.
Glory be to God our Father, and to the Son, and to the Spirit. Mother Mary, pray for us sinners.
Christian Ward
Feelings for deists?
Elijah Lopez
>worshiping a kike
Joshua Ramirez
I shall dedicate my rosary prayer to all here who post tonight. I also ask of any faithful amongst us to pray for me to further strengthen my faith with God and to avoid lust. Good night fellow Christians (or good day, where ever you are).
Noah Anderson
Deist, Muslim, Atheist --- Satanism goes by many names.
Robert Anderson
>Meme flag >Worshipping a mass murderers
Lets all pray for user, he needs it
Ayden Ortiz
For the Catholics: How do you know if you have eternal salvation?
Jace Gutierrez
By faith in Jesus.
Carson Perry
Deist =/= Christian. That will be a problem later.
What about sacraments and confession? Is that required?
Noah Cox
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Jace Anderson
Christ, Savior of the World, a lost painting by Leonardo da Vinci rediscovered and sold at auction for a record $450 million on Wednesday, 11.15.17, making it the most expensive piece of art in known History. Called the "Salvator Mundi," Italian for "Savior of the World," the painting was created around 1500 and shows Christ in Renaissance-style robes, his right hand raised in blessing as his left hand holds a mysterious translucent sphere or crystal ball. But this is not likely a quartz crystal ball because there is no polarization of light – the image of the hand holding the sphere is seen clearly without distortion. This is a meaningful metaphor for Truth – that which is seen when light illuminates without distortion.
Could this historic event be what Carl Jung called a “synchronicity”, a meaningful occurrence (or convergence of occurrences) that manifest(s) with no apparent causal relationships yet intuitively seem to be meaningfully related to current events?
William Reed
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Jace Nelson
"Whatever in the justified precedes or follows the free gift of faith is neither the basis of justification nor merits it."
You guys still believe in Purgatory, or is that gone now too?
Justin Morgan
Religious cucks are delusional. SAD! You know what I love about this board? It not a Christian place, in fact you're a minority. Ok bye now
Matthew Hughes
Yes, there is a fittingness to penance before standing before the majesty of God.
Have you ever walked with God in righteousness for some time and felt very close to him? Have you ever fallen into a pit of depression and looked at porn and been a pathetic mess for awhile? Jesus is still your savior and Good Shepherd, but in which condition would you rather meet God face to face for the first time? That's what purgatory is. Everyone who goes there is saved, and saved only by the grace of God. But it is a fitting place of penance and sanctification before standing before Christ.
Brandon Adams
Does it bother you that this concept is extra-Biblical?
Daniel Reyes
I'll redpill anyway just in case.
Deism makes a lot of sense, except it's founded on the assumption that the stories in the Christian bible are unreasonable because God is mean at times and people do barbaric things to each other in them.
But I realized that that couldn't possibly be right either. The wisdom in the bible is greater than such idle sensibilities about how God should behave. If the bible just said "God made the earth, and then he solved everyone's problems" he'd be incompatible with everyday experience and far more evil than any amount of Old Testament violence.
Jason Brown
No, because I think sola scriptura is extra-biblical as well.
Logan Reed
>I think sola scriptura is extra-biblical as well
Based upon what?
Easton Barnes
"The Apostles Creed" is a fairly succinct statement of Christian faith. Simple internet search does it. Universally agreed upon by Roman Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants, which together, in my opinion, make up "the Church" (although many leaders in all those groups are lovers of self rather than lovers of God.)
Chase Garcia
Just what I said. The doctrine of sola scriptura is not taught in the Bible. I don't believe Protestantism can justify: 1) The canon 2) Sola scriptura 3) And most foundational of all, their theory of interpretation (the historical grammatical approach)
David Thomas
Fug >Muh St. Augustine?
I'm not too invested on this point, but it's an idea that grew naturally out of biblical teaching. It's not like it's in the Apostles' Creed or anything though.
David Bennett
Deism is just worldliness but goes by another name. Deism postulates God exists but doesn't give a crap what happens to creation. Ergo, whatever you do, there's no consequences to your actions. The only logical action to thatis do anything that you want, God doesn't care anyway. Satanism, atheism, nihilism and paganism go by the same vein. Satanism obviously has this ideology "Do what thou wilt." Atheism also goes the same route as does nihilism. Paganism also leads to the same route since you have many gods, which when taken into account, if you can just customize what gods you worship, you can still do anything you want. Satan has had his philosophy go by many names but in the end it leads to the same thing.
James 4:4 >Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Jayden Rogers
Protestant heads explode
Michael Turner
>worshiping inbreds with crooked teeth
Dylan Price
YES
The Christ Mythology as the Foundation of Western Culture
In the earliest Christian manuscripts, the Greek word for "Christ" was "Chrēstós”, which means useful, benevolent, or “kind one."
For the past 2000 years, Christ represents the composite hero of Western culture as the Truthful Individual who acts upon the truth.
“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” – John 8:32 KJV
This metaphorical truth is factual whether you believe or not in God and/or Jesus Christ as a historical figure. This is not a religious statement, but rather one based on logic and reason (logos).
If we look past the religious deceptions, we see that Christ’s most important teachings to humanity were as follows:
1) Christ used free will to refuse conscription (selling one’s soul) because most evil in this world originates from a few people, “the Authorities,” forcing others to commit violence against the innocent.
2) Christ taught to treat others as we would expect to be treated (the Golden Rule).
3) Christ exposed the hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees.
4) Christ exposed the corruption of the money changers.
5) Christ’s path to the truth was through quiet discernment*. 6) Christ voluntarily accepted unjust suffering as a preresiquite for being.
The existence of false religion and the State itself depend on obscuring these fundamental Truths.
2 Timothy 2:15 is a pretty strong indication that the Bible should be taken most seriously. But I'll concede that we can agree to disagree on that.
Jace Bailey
In other words, many obscurantists, one degenerate objective
People who advocate those things are either blissfully ignorant or they intentionally hide their bad intentions; because if people actually knew what their ideas led to, they would refuse them outright.
Isaiah Torres
Can we get some clarity? If Scripture, particularly NT makes one truth claim, how can one who claims to be a Christian assert a truth claim contrary to what was already established? And canonized. Apocrypha aside, most Biblical translations (Roman Catholic and a Protestant, I mean) are very nearly identical.
Ryan Evans
But that says nothing about the canon and your entire appeal is simply assuming the historical grammatical approach to interpretation, which is nowhere taught in scripture is nowhere used when the New Testament authors quote the Old Testament. So your very appeal to that scripture rests on a non-biblical foundation, which refutes the very doctrine sola scriptura it is arguing for.
Parker Bailey
I didn't know this was YLYL
Wyatt Young
>Christ’s path to the truth was through quiet discernment*
From the Gospel of Matthew, Christ said:
“When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I tell you the truth that is all the reward they will ever get. But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.”
Christ said that “THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS INSIDE YOU”
Excerpt: “Christ’s declaration that the Kingdom of God is an interior reality is perfectly appropriate to the addressees of this logion, since the Pharisees are notoriously accused by Christ precisely of giving importance only to exteriority, formal practices and human glory. Christ, instead, emphasizes that God’s Kingdom is interior, invisible, and impossible to locate in one place or another, in that it is of a spiritual nature.”
Connor Hernandez
What do you presume "the word of truth" to refer to?
Nathaniel Lee
QRD on "historical grammatical approach"??
Carson Morgan
>Peterson fan here too I would highly recommend Matthew 23, it's often called the woes of the pharisees. It's like a reverse sermon on the mount and perhaps more important because he shows what evil looks like.
Comparing scripture with scripture & writings/meanings/context of the time that things were written and who they were written to.
I'm not sure there's a QRD of this, but I try.
Jace Adams
Did you loose?
Jonathan Harris
The historical grammatical approach is what Protestants use when interpreting scripture. The correct interpretation, they say, is what the original author meant at the time of the writing.
So, when interpreting scripture, your interpretation should conform to what the literal, basic, original intended meaning of the original authors.
Unfortunately for them, this theory of interpretation is nowhere advocated in the New Testament and is not practiced by the New Testament authors when they quoted the Old Testament.
They used a Midrash form of interpretation, which we would call an allegorical, or mystical approach, which ignored the original intended meaning in favor of a "deeper meaning." -- e.g. Isaiah 7.
No, the historical grammatical approach IS a good method of interpretation, and the Catholic Church uses it, but the point is that it is extra-biblical. So Protestantism, at its foundation, has to use principles that aren't based on sola scriptura.
By the way, many Protestant theologians are aware of this difficulty and have written entire books on it. They're not oblivious to the contradiction here at the heart of Protestantism.
Luke Bell
What the FUCK is the appeal of a DEAD MARTYR from a desert cult that existed in pre-literate times?
You know people in the SIXTYS were so goddamn backwards and stupid that the ideas they considered reliable and good are commonly used as jokes today, and you're going to base your life on something YOU CAN'T FUCKING VERIFY from a bunch of ILLITERATE SAND SAVAGES?
What the FLYING FUCK is WRONG with you? Are you stupid? Are you RETARDED?
Do I even need to critique the religion itself? There is not one single thing about the position espoused that puts it a NOTCH above fucking GANEESHA worship that the Poo-In-Loo's observe. Shit, at least Ganeesha teaches you how to overcome your fucking problems.
This conversation is stupid. You're stupid. This is a moronic religion, indistinct among many.
Jordan Sanchez
QRD = Quick Run Down (which you did provide) So if you nay say Historical Grammatical Approach. What is appropriate Biblical hermeneutics (study)? Paul did encouraged us to be like the Bereans who studied scripture to find out of what Paul was writing was consistent with Scripture.
Ayden Bell
Thanks user, that might explain a certain book that I got recently which was from a 4th century writer who was explaining NT symbolism
I started going back to church since Trump got elected. I feel like the church is low energy, there are no new ideas, they don't have the ideological training to fight back against atheist and SJW attacks and churches are slowly being co-opted accepting trannys and homosexuality.
Easton Young
Have the preeminence Jesus!
(& Thanks for the answer user)
Brayden Williams
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Lucas Hall
Catholics are more into Peter. Protestants (sometimes) more closely follow Paul.
IMHO it is up to the individual to make their own value judgement on which is correct.
Noah Russell
No, let's be clear. The Bible should be interpreted according to the historical grammatical approach. That is the best way to interpret the Bible. It is not allegory. It is not myth. The point I was making is that Protestantism can't JUSTIFY their use of the historical grammatical approach given their adherence to sola scriptura. It is a pedantic sort of point, but it is one that really bothered me when I was a Protestant. I'm not a liberal who thinks the events recorded in the Bible aren't actual history.
Kayden Miller
Oh, and I'm all in on the "Historical Grammatical Approach", but that is not how I refer to it.
Colloquially: Bible Believing Christian Technically: Dispensationalist/ Dispensationalism
John Ross
much gratitude and love...
Jace Flores
much love and gratitude to you my friend
Josiah Flores
Yes it's history, but it's not always so simple, for instance there's a lot of numerology and allegory too. Especially numerology
Ryan Cook
>16 original posters
Jonathan Hall
The Holy Trinity when understood correctly functions as a creative process to preserve mythological truths and renew their meaning within a contemporary context.
Cameron Taylor
Dude, I always know when it's you posting because you're always so angry. Get off your high horse. If you dislike Christianity then please don't come in the thread being belligerent. I pray that one day the Lord will show you the truth.
Ryan White
It's a slow process. >First CBTS larp tested the Mongolian basket weaving forum for Christian sentiment >Now /cg/ is here cluttering up a good page worth of right wing moral outrage >50 Christian slide threads a day SOOOOON!!!!!
Kayden Sullivan
Why don't you think about the fact that the Bible could be completely and entirely literal, while still containing a veil of allegory and metaphor throughout? It's true. There's a very interesting PDF on the subject but I can't seem to find it online. I have it downloaded though.
