Would somebody explain to me why liberals are mad at people paying lower taxes? What do they want to do with the money...

Would somebody explain to me why liberals are mad at people paying lower taxes? What do they want to do with the money? I guess something something about income inequality, but then I suppose nobody ever got rich receiving welfare.

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yeah, I think it's about income inequality. They set it up as a strawman about how the wealth fails to "trickle down" then claim it's stupid to "give" people tax cuts

who can you give someone their own money? idk, but that's how they see it

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Yeah but again, nobody ever got rich getting welfare. Only way to get wealthy is to either start a business yourself or get a decent job.

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We need to increase taxes to fun UBI.

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yeah, I'm not sure. It's not my position, so I can't really defend it. From what I've seen they only talk about it in a general sense, and don't seem to really put much thought into how individuals actually create wealth for themselves. My advice to you, if you want to argue with someone about it, start a thread about "trickle down economics". That tends to attract them because that is their strawmanned understanding of it

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To me this is just prove they will screech about everything no matter what

They always need mo money fo dem programs.
Just look at our insane government: they seriously want to sponsor a so-called "marshall plan" (guilt tripping right there) for fucking Africa.

lower taxes = lower gibs for nogs and "artistic" sjws

nice ass btw

and meanwhile your own old people need to pick up bottles from trash cans.

They hate anything that could possibly benefit middle america. It's as simple as that.

>BRRRAAAAAAP
>(sand gently falls on back)

Liberals want big government. Big government involves getting more money for said government.

You can't just say "Everyone will be taxed to compensate" because that makes people angry. It's why the narrative is always "we will tax the rich, you will get off unscathed"

Fundamentally Democrats/the left will always be opposed to lowering taxes. Republicans/the right will always want to lower taxes.

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But did big government ever make poor people rich? Seems like the best it can do is make people less poor but seems to me big government absolutely never created a strong middle class.

>But did big government ever make poor people rich?
The goal isn't to make the rich poor, the goal is to make the standard of living higher. It still usually doesn't work, but that's the goal. You can maybe argue that eventually a stronger middle class will come of it but to me it's total fucking horseshit. It's essentially what Cuckstiny argues in his shitty debates/arguments.

Socialism.

>rich poor
poor people rich*

I think you're talking about lefties, liberals don't want more taxes.

Leftists want people to pay more taxes for two reasons:
The leftists in power will be allowed to steal more money and have more control over the populations.
The rest of the leftists (who, if you didn't notice, all look like welfare ghouls) will get free money and stuff from the Goverment (or that's what they expect).

They want to spend other people's money on the people that nature would normally cull. This of course fails when the people worth a damn fuck off. The end is economic collapse and/or social failure observed in literally ever communist country ever.

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Have you looked at the Republican tax plan in detail and not just what's on Sup Forums? The Tax plan as it currently stands has very short term cuts for everyone, but even in the medium term it's a very solid tax cut for those that earn over $75,000. There's some also weirdly specific tax breaks for golf course owners, and it allows you to right off things like private planes. In short if you looked into this you can see why people are complaining. Luckily I won't have to live under this awful tax plan.

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In a multicultural society, white people see little to no benefit from taxation, they have no incentive as a group to support it. Once you wake up to that, and once whites become race conscious, it only makes sense to reduce benefits and taxation as much as possible - driving whites to the republican party. Liberals understand this as well as anyone. To maintain support they have to increase the outrage and participation of low information voters, blacks and hispanics, so they've got to kick up as much fuss as possible.
It's a weird process, but your country will go through this as well:
>at 100% white, the country may be balanced between socialism and traditionalism, a white country may create a functional welfare state, whites see great benefit in pulling together to help their fellow man. See Nordic welfare states of 10 years ago.
>with a 5% low performing ethnic underclass, liberal/socialist whites advocate increased welfare spending to pull up these people to the white standard, may advocate for affirmative action policies etc. Only 'racists' disagree and move to the right.
>With 20% non-functioning ethnics, most of the welfare budget no longer supports white people. White people wonder what they're paying taxes for. They move largely to the right. The remnant of the white left must advocate for open borders to increase their voting pool and must de-facto support anti-white policies if they want to maintain political power. At this point the country is more right wing than it was at 100% white.
>At 50% nog a critical mass is reached. the 80% of white people voting for right wing candidates can no longer over power the coalition of crazy white socialists and the brown hoards. Permanent south Africa status is achieved. White people will be advised to emigrate if they don't want to witness the destruction of their homelands. This has happened to many cities in North America. It's beginning to happen in places in Europe.

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It comes down to leftists wanting only to work If they feel like it in between 2 year long african soul searching trips their family is probably not poor to begin with and they aren't Butt ugly either.

lower taxes equal a smaller cut for hush money for the left....they are not wrong when they say it is destroying america, but what they always leave out of the statement is that it is the left half being destroyed.
porch monkey subsidies are evaporating......hence the meltdowns

They're mentally ill and media/social media/shills have programmed them to oppose Trump&Republicans regardless of what the subject is.

is that actually the plan then? Ive searched around for it for a while now. I dont know how anyone could say that hurts the middle class.

Companies will pay lower taxes. People will not.

fuck

This is why I hate leftists.
They say that they want the money to be used to help the environment, help pooer people and so on.
But they oppose the idea of lowering taxes because they not only want to use THEIR money for a cause they find worthy, not they also want to use YOUR money.

Recently got a 600€ bonus from my boss because I traveled alot in one month.
What do I get from it?
+285€ after taxes.
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP

I have read the comments on German newspaper sites (why is this even big news in Germany?) and it is no surprise that Germany has the second highest tax-rates after Belgium, coupled with abysmally bad services of the state. It is no surprise either that Germany will not get rid off the Solidaritätszuschlag, again. Germans are retarded when it comes to taxes.

Trump did the right thing, let the leftists cry about how the state should take more money from the working people and give it to them.

The senate were handed a 500 page bill 2 hours before passing it. They don't even know what's in it and neither do you.

i don't understand, everything i've read appears to indicate that i'll pay substantially lower taxes. how are you calculating this?

The objective is to make niggers middle class. Negros are massively overrepresented in pretty much all sectors of the US government. They get a nice paycheck, and can keep being negros, since no accountability

In the short term yes. In the medium to long term no. If you earn less than $75k a year you are fucked in the longer term. Also this plan adds to the deficit in a massive fashion, while cutting many Americans off of medical aid which seems counter productive.

>If you earn less than $75k a year you are fucked in the longer term.
can you please explain? i'm asking this in good faith and not being a shithead, i keep seeing people say this but i honestly do not understand how

>Also this plan adds to the deficit in a massive fashion, while cutting many Americans off of medical aid which seems counter productive.
the deficit i could see but honestly, even if i weren't insured through my employer, there's no way i could afford to pay for even the cheapest plan available from the ACA marketplace

do it under the counter, ez

taking wealth and control away from government is the worst thing they can imagine outside of them and their fellow commies being rounded up and shot

It takes a lot of hard work and bad decisions to get to the point of picking cans out of trash, probably the same amount of work to hold a minimum wage paying government job. Don't feel sorry for those people and DO NOT take my money to subsidize their bad behavior.

>even in the medium term it's a very solid tax cut for those that earn over $75,000
a tax cut for the middle class who can best make use of the extra shekels? how horrifying

Doctors and the like earn money at around that level and more, why does a doctor who already does a public service should then be forced by means of implied state violence to provide yet more and more money for more public services or money that just goes straight into the hands of some spic gang member?

On the first part it's to do with the provisions and rates. For example you can still claim many deductibles as a percentage of what you earn so they scale as you earn. Which if you earn more than $75K benefits you more in the longer term. That's the example I've seen but it's fairly dense stuff to read through. I have the excuse of being in the UK and my own shit to worry about.

As for the second, if you can't afford medical care from the ACA, then you should probably complain to the medical industry that exists in the US. Prices are high because the companies can basically set what ever rate they want, irrespective of what your physician earns. I mean medical bankruptcy in the US is at a shocking high rate, so they're writing off the debt anyway. Nobody wins in the US medical system at all. If you want to see a good version of what the US probably wants, look at France's version

Mate, doctors in the US are majoritively private. They don't do "public" service in the same way as you mean. Also assuming that all benefits go to gangs is woefully retarded. There are other people who are white and poor you know. I mean look at Newcastle.

I'm pretty sure america isn't the medical hell it's made up to be in europe. They have a lot of charity hospitals where you pay what you can afford and emergency rooms are open for poor people as well. Not sure if this was medicare or medicaid.

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In the short term, it will do no harm - and bringing corporate rates into line with the rest of the West is a good idea - but once again, they failed to compensate for it by uncapping cap gains. So - huge deficit hole 10 years down the line.
If they can't raise taxes (and they usually can't), what will they cut? That's when all the old boomers who voted for Trump will get their just reward.

Well, since the text is rotting the brain, I guess you have a point...

You know Hitler wasn't real, right?

The insane thing to me is liberals don't really believe in what they say.

The clintons and obamas are millionaires, same as trump, same as kennediys, same as same as

they hate white working males, I hope the orcs kill every liberal faggot and they get what they want, someone hurt those people as children or they were fed too much like veruca salt, and have some kind of sick mental guilt or are weak people.

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>I suppose nobody ever got rich receiving welfare.
Elon Musk did.

Do you have the rates for 2027?

Where do I get a ginger with that body type who hasn't been tarnished by non-white cocks?

>What do they want to do with the money
The fact that we don't have socialized healthcare and university in this country is a travesty.

This. Today, being liberal means you’re just slightly left of libertarianism. Classical liberalism is what most on the “right” subscribe to now. To the leftists, every other group is a nazi basically.

>On the first part it's to do with the provisions and rates. For example you can still claim many deductibles as a percentage of what you earn so they scale as you earn. Which if you earn more than $75K benefits you more in the longer term.
the brackets' rates are lower for people earning less than $75k across the board, and the standard deduction's been doubled. this is is going to benefit most lower-middle income americans because we generally aren't going to have qualifying expenses exceeding ~$12k. if there are issues with itemizing deductions now, that's really only going to affect people making >$75k

>As for the second, if you can't afford medical care from the ACA, then you should probably complain to the medical industry that exists in the US. Prices are high because the companies can basically set what ever rate they want, irrespective of what your physician earns. I mean medical bankruptcy in the US is at a shocking high rate, so they're writing off the debt anyway. Nobody wins in the US medical system at all. If you want to see a good version of what the US probably wants, look at France's version
you might be right but i'm really only concerned with what this bill means for me personally and presently. i can't predict what's going to happen with the deficit any more than professional economists are able to. something like single-payer might improve my situation but i think it might be an impossible quest for the US. we're already spending more money on healthcare than any other country in the world. this might be because the system's fucked up and no good to anybody but i am definitely not the person to figure out how to reform the medical system in a country that's coming apart at the seams. if i can pay, before my paycheck is taxed, for discounted health insurance from my employer that's far cheaper than anything that the ACA's made available then this is the thing for me to do

As much as I want to argue with this, there are probably enough lefty billionaires to pay for all the culture the US needs out of their own pockets, but I don't see them many of them coughing up a lot. Some are, don't get me wrong, but when I see news that some museum is losing $2M federal funding and might close I would think that some rich guy would jump in with a donation PDQ for the good publicity alone, if nothing else.

Lol, both the GOPs tax plan and the old situation are terrible! How can someone pay such taxes?!? Americans should learn to hide their income... As I always say - everything above 10-15 % flat rate is a crime against your own nation.

I'm not usually an ass liker but daaammn

glad i didn't zoom in and knew what it was.

Couldn't you just crowdfund it? Like create a permanent kickstarter for universities. If students feel like their schooling helped them to be successful they probably want to give some money back. Meanwhile shit schooling will vanish because bad teachers go broke.

For those who don't live in the US, 75K is a lot of money, and the majority of Americans make less (many way less) than that. Trump voters are 90% below 75K, I bet - perhaps this is the Republicans' way of punishing them for not going with one of their candidates in the primaries.

What is it?

the point is it won't benefit 'middle' America..those who get the biggest share of these tax breaks just stuff then into offshore accounts, it isnt returning to the US economy in any meaningful way

Trump didn't win every income bracket over $50k per year?

The funny thing is, doctors in America used to be the most charitable with their time and skills. In the 80’s and early 90’s, doctors would often spend a week every month giving back to their communities or traveling to impoverished areas where their skills are in high demand. They would help these people for free much like lawyers do with pro bono work. Then the government got hugely involved in healthcare and this all went to shit. Congress thought it was a great idea to tie ones medical insurance to your employment (pro tip: it’s not) and then seized more and more power over the industry. Suddenly doctors are in high demand and very short supply. Now they’re all burnt out and can’t spend time helping anyone.


This is how America used to be all around. People used to donate 5-10% of their money to the poor. People used to donate their time to work in their local soup kitchen or donate food. Nobody can do these things anymore because we’re all so over-taxed and underpaid. People haven’t been given a raise in nearly a decade. I would bet anything that if we returned to liberty and abolished the welfare state tomorrow, half of the lower class would immediately jump into careers that move them into the middle class and if taxed less, people could easily take care of those who truly need it. We did it before no problem. The ‘war on poverty’ did nothing other than create more poor people. To the you this tax plan seems like a hand-out to the rich. To me it’s a chance at getting back an America that we used to be proud of.

underrated

Honestly they should include charity into the oath. I don't even know what kind of oath they swear these days, if they swear one at all. In germany I think we use the swiss version of the hippocratic oath.

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Lol at Amerimutts

>Would somebody explain to me why liberals are mad at people paying lower taxes?

Would somebody explain to me why conservatives are mad at people paying fair taxes?

The thing is, if everyone weren’t FORCED to have medical insurance, they couldn’t charge ridiculous prices. The ONLY thing that keeps prices low is supply/demand. When the government steps in and artificially props up demand, supply gets constrained and prices skyrocket. Even worse, nobody can protest these prices because they’re not consistent and open about them and it doesn’t matter anyway because you have no choice to walk away.

I live in Michigan where auto insurance is the highest in the country. People act like it’s just something we can’t fix but it’s stupid to not have an understanding of what drives these prices so high. The state of Michigan is no-fault. This is a factor but a minor one. What really fucks Michigan is that you’re required by law to have insurance on every car you own, whether you drive it or not. Michigan also is the only state to require auto insurers to pay out lifetime medical benefits in the event of a catastrophic crash (like if you’re paralyzed or face a lifetime injury). This is very similar to ACA now. It upsets the supply/demand balance. Before, if an insurer wanted to charge too much, we’d go to someone else. If they all started charging too much, we’d elect to not insure our cars. This is the only way to keep prices in check and the government took that ability away. Now it’s an all-you-can-rape buffet for insurers because they know you can’t go anywhere else. You have to buy their overpriced policy at gunpoint and so they only have to be slightly more competitive than the other 5 companies that still offer insurance here (the rest bailed because they can’t afford to be raped by the medical benefits).

>liberals are mad at rich people paying lower taxes
FTFY

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In the end, freedom of choice and competition are all we have to keep prices down. If you want to see lower prices, you have to give people the option to tell a company “fuck you”. When a venture capitalist sees shit like this happening they get a boner. Say you’re a billionaire and you see millions of people pissed off that epi-pen prices are so fucking high. You know that the patent is expired and you can make one for a few bucks. What do you do? You get to work ASAP and produce a generic version so you can steal all of their business. This forces them to lower their prices too and people are happy in the end because they have two choices now. Shit like this is near impossible in our current system. They’ve removed all means for VCs to observe feedback and also made the barriers to entry so high that only big pharma gets to play. If you start a biotech company that does manage to gain an edge over big pharma, they’ll either crush you or force you to sell your company to them and honestly most people will gladly because they’ll become millionaires. It’s what most biotech companies strive for. So the entire system is fucked because of government regulations and in turn, government power means that big pharma comes lobbying anytime they want an additional edge over potential competitors. If the government had no power there, nobody would be lobbying them to make things worse for us.

>fair
Fair would be if everyone pays the same amount.

i genuinely think it comes down to resentment. They have this idea the Warren Buffet picked their pocket. Alright, it's not as asinine at that but it close. I hear 'em say things like "how can his hourly wage be $22,000 per hour? No one deserves that." It's as if they think the government decided OK Warren, you'll get this much. Most of their wealth isn't from income. It's from investments. Some like Zuckerberg had IPOs. Others, like Buffet, just kept investing and then opened a fund where people pay him to invest on their behalf. Progressives also hate investment. They want the money to circulate through the economy by poor people paying for things at high street shops like CK Maxx. Lastly, they have this idea what somehow all these government programmes will make their lives better, but often they themselves earn too much to qualify.

A lot of leftists have no fucking clue how hard it is to found and run a business, They think you unlock the door, turn on the lights, and money falls from the sky. Most business people work ungodly hours and a middle class. But no, business people are robber barons.

>they also want to use MUH money
...so it's all about muh money, muh money
all about muh money, muh money
I geddit now, it's all about muh money

No, it's actually alot more worse than they even think

Because they want gibs and welfare for their voting base.

>nobody wins in the US medical system at all

Nigger, you don't know what you're talking about.

Granted, my wife and I make well over $120k a year, but healthcare here is great. As an example: our pediatrician.

Our 4 month old has been sick all week but his temp wasn't bad so we just tended to him at home. Yesterday morning he woke up with a much worse fever and difficulty breathing. He and left the house and popped over to his pediatrician at like 7am. They saw him almost immediately. The qt3.14 nurses had him on a nebulizer within 15-20 of us arriving there. We left after a total of 45 minutes. My kid d could breathe better, nurses were extremely attentive, we home with a home nebulizer, and our insurance covered the whole fucking thing.

Don't tell me our system is fucked. My system works perfectly fine. I'm not giving that up so that niggers and spics can squirt out more kids and make my children minorities.