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yes goy must protect the DARPA project known as (((the internet)))

We must have a second set of rules for the internet that we already have in various other laws.

Reddit is so fucking gay.

I really don't understand why this entire board seems to be against net neutrality. Even on Sup Forums (one of my main boards unlike this one). Do you all just instinctively say the opposite of what reddit says?

>mod of r/democrats and r/hillaryclinton
really activates almonds.

He also tried to give the internet away to the UN, which is controlled by Arab oil money

Are catalonians just swarthy LEAFs?

you guys do realise it's not corps vs people it's corps vs other corpse

Sup Forums is leftwing, youre not going to get an objective analysis anywhere, but at least you can remember that no one has ever done anything for the purposes of "pure evil" and that the media is always lying

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Meanwhile he gave away the Internet dns router to the UN no questions asked

>for the purposes of "pure evil"
Of course not, but increased capital accumulation through monopoly formation seems close enough.

It's not that way. Like most boards, some populations are just too vocal.

Heavy amounts of shilling from telecom corporations.
>Inb4 like 4 shills reply to this calling me a commie for not wanting to be turbokiked

how fun is it for the rest of internet to wait for our next mandate?

Obama gave away US control of ICANN.

You should stop lying. Sup Forums isn't leftwing.

Sup Forums despises what Firefox has become.

Most Google products are rarely recommended on Sup Forums but Sup Forums still hates Apple the most.

Anyone who is against net neutrality is either a moron that doesn’t know what it means or some paid off Jew shill.

Democrat economics are obviously better, but economics are not the reason why people vote republicans.

>Anyone who in favor of net neutrality is either a moron that doesn’t know what it means or some paid off Jew shill.
ftfy, enjoy being a cuck for big data

Sup Forums is just tribal warfare and memes. It's not about NN, it's about muh God Emperor and Reddit likes it so it must be bad.

The vast majority here are newfaggots who weren't around for SOPA. Sup Forums was against it then, even with the Reddit spillover during the blackout, but times have changed, Sup Forums is stormfront now.

>Democrat economics are obviously better,

*sells ICANN*

Just look at any economic indicators and compare democrat years to republican ones. Reaganomics were a disaster and I am afraid that it will now repeat.

Good goy

You're a good goy no matter what side.

I don't care about net neutrality since I'm not in America, but the fact that the same companies which demonstrated just how keen they are to shut down non-mainstream opinions (Google shutting down the DS for instance) are shilling so hard for it makes me want it to fail in the hopes that it hurts them

>You should stop lying. Sup Forums isn't leftwing.
Except a large part of them are, especially the Free Software faggots who literally idolize Richard Stallman, a "socialist".

This post has to be ironic

If you support the GPL you're basically supporting software communism. You can't be right wing and think the GPL is a good idea.

>could have gotten a net neutrality law passed if he wanted
>chose to let the FCC handle it instead and be at the mercy of the future administrations

if you say so.

Sup Forums is a split between tranny programmer commies / liberals and libertarians / conservatives, the vast majority of boards probably lean heavy towards libertarians with pol and lgbt being the outliers

Please. You really think the reddit lemming know what they're talking about? 90% of them saw a headline stating: THE INTERNETS IS UNDER ATTACK PLS HELP, and that is the extent of their knowledge on the subject. They're bandwagoning brainlets aside from a few whose arguments consist entirely of: MUH MONOPOLIES REEEE. We avoided this very simply here in NZ; make the cables/fibre a public utility and wholesale it to ISP's who then sell the usage to consumers. Now we have dozens of competing ISP's that don't own the infrastructure and can't beat the competition out due to that. Maybe America should try to do something similar instead of begging for ISP's to be regulated as a public utility to protect a make believe freedom that doesn't exist. These same people are begging for places like this to be shut down.

So if I continue supporting the ideology behind free software I don't have to associate with sub-standard human beings with underdeveloped brains?

Good to know. Have fun with Ranjeet from Microsoft leeching your data, faggot.

Why did you get it right and we got it so wrong?

Free software isn't the GPL. The GPL may be a form of free software, but it's far from being the only one.

Go look at the Modified BSD, MIT, or Apache licenses for things that aren't literally communist bullshit.

this
your "net neutrality" legislation doesn't prevent ISPs from bundling websites
it also has a loophole where the government can approve fast lanes for certain websites
what it DOES prevent is ISPs being subject to antitrust legislation since they're now classified as common carriers

Thanks doc

>your "net neutrality" legislation doesn't prevent ISPs from bundling websites
It actually does. Net Neutrality prevents ISPs from blocking or manipulating traffic. How are you going to bundle websites if you can't block access in the first place? If the ISPs opted out like that images says then they wouldn't be allowed to offer access to all of the Internet.

>what it DOES prevent is ISPs being subject to antitrust legislation since they're now classified as common carriers
This is actually true.

NN is a meme.

Local municipiality contracts are the problem

NIGGER

You're just being dishonest here, it's perfectly possible to support open source software while rejecting socialist economic theory. They're two completely different domains.

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Again, the GPL is not all of open source software. Stop blindly supporting a parasitic, communist software license that needlessly restricts what end users are allowed to do with software.

But NZ has one HUGE difference which is that the ISP is a public utility. America doesn't, the ISPs own the infrastructure. It's completely incomparable to the American problem.

NZ has an IDEAL model of internet, but it's very far from how it's setup in the states.

The current NN repeal does nothing about who owns the fibre/cable.

Right-wing government. Not even joking. Left-wing govt. says we want FTTH, then conservatives come in and say NOPE! FTTN and we'll fuck it up in the process.

*correction, I meant the fibre, not the ISP.

The only thing I use reddit for these days is top tier amateur cuckold and interracial porn

>that needlessly restricts what end users are allowed to do with software.
The only thing it restricts is self-interested capitalists taking your work and running with it, ultimately reducing the freedom of their end-users using your work that you intended to be free.
On a more general level I don't support any form of copyright or patents but that's clearly not the reality we live in. Copyleft licensing is the next best thing.

> Providers that may opt to exercise editorial discretion—for instance, by offering access only to a limited segment of websites specifically catered to certain content—would not offer a standardized service that can reach “substantially all” endpoints. The rules therefore would not apply to such providers, as the FCC has affirmed.

"offering access only to a limited segment of websites specifically catered to certain content" is literally just bundling internet sites
aka the regulations say they can get around the rules against bundling websites by choosing to bundle websites

>The only thing it restricts is self-interested capitalists taking your work and running with it, ultimately reducing the freedom of their end-users using your work that you intended to be free.

How does someone else using your code for their software hurt your or your users' freedoms?
If they weren't going to contribute without GPL, what makes you think they'll contribute with GPL, instead of just avoiding GPL licensed code completely? In the end they didn't help with the project regardless.

What is the GPL protecting exactly?

>he sold us out to jewish corporations instead!

burn in hell obongo

Now you're a cuck with 2 bulls instead! Enjoy!

dat one based nigger, obongo

>"offering access only to a limited segment of websites specifically catered to certain content" is literally just bundling internet sites
Again, how are you going to do that without blocking traffic, which is forbidden by net neutrality?
This is literally saying if you provide access to only a few websites and NOTHING else you are exempt. You either provide limited access or you don't. That means you'd have to exclude 99.99% (probably more) of the Internet if you wanted to bundle websites, either that or try and create bundles that cover 99.99% of the Internet, while not covering 100%. If they cover 100% they would have been bound by net neutrality again.

>How does someone else using your code for their software hurt your or your users' freedoms?
A recent example is the Minix OS, which was released with MIT license (or something like that) and is now used by intel to restrict the freedom of their users since it's integrated in the IME. Of course intel would have the resources to develop their own OS that would be just as good for this purpose, but at least the author of the free software wouldn't be complicit. You can compare it with pharma companies who don't want their drugs used to execute the death penalty, I guess.

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>If they cover 100% they would have been bound by net neutrality again.
so they could create bundles that only include major corporate sites and then block access to smaller independent sites at their discretion and it would be perfectly legal
so they could sell a "news bundle" with CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc and then exclude sites like Breitbart and Drudge Report, at their choosing
this is the exact nightmare scenario people used to support net neutrality...and it's already perfectly legal

We're already being censored you stupid nigger. This is just going to cost Google and the Jewish porn companies billions. Maybe r*ddit will finally campaign to have the 1st amendment extended to the internet now.

It has nothing to do with you this you stupid nigger. It's all about Google putting 4k down the lines and not paying a single penny.

We're already being censored.

Google already seizes domains you brainwashed idiot. Google already censors YouTube and their search results. I'm happy they'll be forking over billions if not tens of billions a year soon.

not sure if you noticed but i'm arguing against net neutrality too
i just decided to attack the perceived positives instead of calling everyone a stupid nigger

Fuck off jewgle shill

Why don't you make an actual argument? He's repealing 2015 era rules and censorship has skyrocketed since 2015.

Jews fucked with Sup Forums and now they're going to pay billions. YouTube censored us and we made elsagate which cost them billions. I hope it continues.

You're a stupid nigger because you repeat Jewish propaganda about bundling websites when it's about making Google and all the kike Porn companies to pay for their bandwidth.

>P

>now used by intel to restrict the freedom of their users since it's integrated in the IME.
This has nothing to do with licensing. They could have just as easily hosted the MINIX source code on intel.com if MINIX had been GPL. Would what they're doing be okay in that case? Of course not.

>Of course intel would have the resources to develop their own OS that would be just as good for this purpose, but at least the author of the free software wouldn't be complicit.
The intentions of someone who creates a tool are almost never relevant when it comes to how others use that tool. The machine gun was created to make war so terrible that no one would wage it. Instead it was used to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of people in war.

It's also worth mentioning that capitalists still use GPL software for free without breaking any laws. Routers do this all the time. They'll use Linux as their OS and just host the source and license somewhere online. They don't contribute back, they just use other people's code and make money. How isn't that self interested capitalism?

If I was writing and releasing good software I'd want it to be used as much as possible. If a company decides to use some of my code in a product they have, then they're maximizing how many people will use that software. The vast majority of computer users will not care about the source code. If they did they could easily find the original source online.

remember how shitty the internet was before 2015? thank god obama took control

yeah except nobody gives a flying fuck about that you deranged retard

THIS.

Nothing but censorship since 2015. It's time Facebook/Google/Pornhub pay through the nose. Maybe the GOP will extend the 1st amendment to the internet in a year or two.

>so they could create bundles that only include major corporate sites and then block access to smaller independent sites at their discretion and it would be perfectly legal
Yes, but it's impractical and a horrible business decision on many levels.

>so they could sell a "news bundle" with CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc and then exclude sites like Breitbart and Drudge Report, at their choosing
this is the exact nightmare scenario people used to support net neutrality...and it's already perfectly legal
Which is why people who talk about "bundles" just need to be ignored. They have no idea what they're talking about. Bundles were never going to happen, and as you've shown it could have been done even with net neutrality in place.

What do you care about? Saving Google billions? You claimed it's about censorship, but censorship, but the people this legislation hits are the very kikes that have been censoring us.

Again. Google censored us and then we cost them billions through elsagate. Now we're about to rake Facebook and all their free porn websites over the coals too.

autism

so what good is net neutrality doing, then? if we can agree that ISPs are already choosing not to restrict access to websites due to market forces, why do we need regulation at all?

No, the people doing the censorship are Google and Facebook. The people you're shilling for. Get out.

Because they can throttle your bit torrent, youtube and netflix traffic. Some ISPs have already done this in fact.

The real reason net neutrality is a "big issue" is because in 2013 and 2014 ISPs forced companies like Google and Netflix to pay them for using so much bandwidth. If they didn't pay they would have been throttled. Obviously Google and Netflix don't want to pay, so it's only natural they support Net Neutrality.

God you are such a fucking retard. He said that keeping net neutrality wouldn't legally stop websites from bundling websites if they wanted to because of a legal loophole. He's invalidating one of the most common shill tactics used to push for net neutrality. Neck yourself you retarded leaf.

was this before or after he handed over control of ICANN to a foreign corporate board who are now free to restrict IPs and domains at their leisure?

The law is from 2015 you fool. Your last sentence is repeating what I wrote. Your press is so controlled that Americans naturally shill for whatever the kike wants.

>This has nothing to do with licensing. They could have just as easily hosted the MINIX source code on intel.com if MINIX had been GPL. Would what they're doing be okay in that case? Of course not.
No, the freedom restriction by the IME is at least in part due to its secrecy.

Google literally stole domains last year and shadowbans all of our videos. They need to pay for this one way or the other.

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>If I was writing and releasing good software I'd want it to be used as much as possible.
You're free to use another license then, I don't see the problem.
>The vast majority of computer users will not care about the source code. If they did they could easily find the original source online.
Please find me the source of the IME then. A few monhs ago we did not even know that it was adapted from minix.

>Sup Forums despises what Firefox has become.
Sup Forums despised ff well before all the poz m8. australis alone triggered most of the board into a autistic screeching mess.

EXACTLY THE POINT YOU DENSE IDIOT. The law protects against nothing because there are loopholes within it that would allow for bundling. Nobody is doing it now, so nobody will do it when it's repealed. Thus, "bundling" fears are an invalid shill tactic as proven earlier.

I'm only "repeating" what you wrote because you're too fucking stupid to understand basic argumentation unless it's peppered in Nazi slurs. HE WAS ARGUING AGAINST NET NEUTRALITY. Fucking retard. I hope you don't vote anytime soon.

They don't have to modify MINIX to make it work for this situation. Under the GPL they don't have to provide the source for any kernel modules or software they use with MINIX, they just have to provide the MINIX source. This is exactly the reason GPLv3 was created, and also the reason why Linus specifically released Linux as GPLv2.

yeah instead of selling the internet to the telecom lobby in the US he sold it to the jew lobby in the EU

>If they didn't pay they would have been throttled. Obviously Google and Netflix don't want to pay, so it's only natural they support Net Neutrality.

but why should we as consumers care? we're either going to pay for the traffic by paying extra to telecoms or paying extra to Netflix. Doesn't seem like net neutrality makes much of a difference to us at all.

i'm arguing against net neutrality, you're clearly mentally ill

>Google
>Not paying a single penny for their connections
What fucking planet to you live on? Certainly not Earth.

>but why should we as consumers care?
Because they can throttle and block your bit torrent traffic.

Alright, point taken.

I don't want the government to have control over the internet. While NN is not the only way they are controlling the internet, it is one facet.

kill yourself abonigger
aftet all these years you still havent learned. you're just as reddit as the donald fags

Censorship skyrocketed because shitty Sup Forums newfags went nuts and broke out of containment.

Herp a fuckign derp companies pay for their connections. Google and PornHub don't connect to ISP's for free you fucking mongoloid.

Please look into licenses like MIT, Apache, and Modified BSD a bit more. They're all still free software, just with being less cucked than GPL.

The more people who realize the flaws with GPL the better.

they can still do that now, as long as it's part of an openly advertised package, and really they can revise and restructure their packages in any way they want, as long as they don't pretend to be a "neutral" platform. The Title II change doesn't actually solve shit, and the whole Net Was a scam to give the federal government the power to regulate the internet in anyway they see fit.

*Net Neutrality

Where's all that high speed giga super butt cheap internet Obama also promised with net neutrality?

Because they have no incentive to upgrade infrastructure. If the network isn't saturated then there's no reason to pay for fast lanes. So slow investment, saturate the network, and now you can charge for fast lanes.

Everyone except the ISP lose here.

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