Why do marxists believe in surplus value?

Why do marxists believe in surplus value?

Do they actually believe that if the capitalist paid them "the full product of their labour" that they will actually be able to buy more things with this money and get to work less hours?

Do they not understand that this will simply cause massive price increases because the supply of goods has not changed?

Please explain this to me because it seems like all of marxism and socialism is a gigantic load of bullshit..

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why don't you read Das Kapital, or at least Value Price and Profit, to find out you lazy nigger.

I did, it's bullshit pseudoscience.

It made a extremely bold claim and offers little evidence.

there is plenty of evidence in them you liar.
>Do they actually believe that if the capitalist paid them "the full product of their labour" that they will actually be able to buy more things with this money and get to work less hours?
You have read wage labour and capital too?

>I did, it's bullshit pseudoscience.

Ok mister Phd. Where does profit come from? I need a fully cited, peer reviewed, published and accredited scientific paper. Let's go.

Jesus the burden of proof is on you yet you imediately shunt it onto somebody else.

You never acknolwaged user's argument besides disagreeing, you are in response I believe asking him to provide proof of a lack of evidence and poor reasoning, which would require posting the entire comunist manifesto.
Like the bible. reading the book does not make it true, you are the one who needs to prove communism works economicly. Provide an explaination that we can debunk systematicly.

Profit comes from the consensual transfer of currency for desired goods, something you can't do in communism. Thus you can't make profit and everything is shit because nobody has any motivation to do anything and there are cronic shortages of pretty much everything.

>Jesus the burden of proof is on you yet you imediately shunt it onto somebody else.
the proof is in this 50 page book, go read it because I can't copy paste it here.

But it's all bullshit, communist economics doesn't work and has failed whenever it's been tried time and time again, that's cause enough to dismiss the books as garbage.

>Please explain this to me because it seems like all of marxism and socialism is a gigantic load of bullshit..
^THIS
look at it. read the sources. take a deep breath. and see it for what it is: a piece of shit. Nothing hidden, nothing special, nothing to explain ... just a piece of shit.

>i'm a lazy nigger who can't even read a 50 page book
no one has even implemented what is in that book. It basically is advocating for market socialism which was never even CLOSE to being tried in the USSR.

The whole concept of "labor = value of product" is retarded.

>hurr durr, things are worth how much somebody worked to make/get them

Repeat after me.

Value (clap) is (clap) based (clap) on (clap) the (clap) consumer's (clap) wishes. (clap)

>read this Jewish pseudoscience, goy. It's all the (((proof))) you need

>communist economics doesn't work and has failed
This is why Ruble was worth about 50-60 cents at some period of time?

Also, communist countries are getting sanctioned to death, like N Korea, for example. And then people point fingers at it and laugh: "Ha-ha, look at this shitty economic, it's been proven it doesn't work!!1".

This kills the socialism

yes it is. It says so in those books. Are you retarded americlap?

>SOMMCIISM

national socialists use the economics in this book too

>tfw your opponent takes his economics from a minor 19th century post-Ricardian

>national socialists
Look at the shill. Now he is grasping for straws. NatSoc reject any kind of class warfare, division among class lines and any kind of historical materialism. In theory, NatSoc economics was a version of Keynesianism, tailored to the Völkisch nature of whichever people adopted it. Its not one dogmatic economic system,and Hitler often joked that the lack of a specific ideology was their strength. NatSoc could be more "free market" as Americans know it, or less. But NatSoc is always in favor of the Volk over economic identity, of "producer capitalism" over "finance capitalism".

the book is basically about producer capitalism, if you had read it. It's an economics book, nothing about class struggle.
also
>Keynesian is more free market than the USA currently is
what?

Marxists really are that dumb, but there is also this:
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These fellas are messed up in the head in more ways than one.

You really didn't get the point did you? In National Socialism economics come second.

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>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
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>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism, move to nexd gountry :DDDDDDD

did you get my point?
The book talks about increasing wages to benefit the economy, the Nazis did exactly that.

If you've read these books then explain how I am wrong.

Oh wait you can't.

Why can capitalist economies stand on their own?

Holy fuck why are socialists so fucking brainwashed?
Why do you want to be a slave?