Uniting Capitalism and Communism

I understand that communism in the Marxian is responsible for millions of innocent lives and will not work, but I am not sure we should give up on the idea yet. It needs amendments, but it has potential to contribute all the things capitalism lacks

Here is the idealistic view of what I am trying to point out. Imagine a political and economic system where everyone had a stake in the progress of the nation. For example, the more progress the nation makes and the more you contribute to that progress, the more you get back in return. A completely new system binding individualism and collectivism together. A capitalism/communism hybrid has the potential to be a perfect system for maximum progress. Capitalism's merits of technological innovation are already known, but communism must also have some deep seeded merits or else it would have vanished by now, however, it has not.

Capitalism has huge motivation for technological innovation via the profit incentive.

Communism contains the power to unite citizens into a collective. Which empowers them because they now have a stake in the large picture of their nations progress.


There has to be a way to unite these two political and economical juggernaut ideologies into something far beyond both of them alone. I feel like there is far too much potential here to just throw our hands in the air and say "it cannot be done," but how would we bring the best parts of these seemingly opposing systems together?

Please do not turn this into a communism/capitalism bashing thread. This is supposed to be for discussion on how to combine these two ideologies.

so.... corporatism?

Because thats what the nazis did.

In that case, I whole heartedly agree with you.

I am not entirely sure what it would be. I don't think it would be corporatism because communism is anti-corporate. And I don't think it would be pure government rule because capitalism opposes that.

Tl;dr

communism doesn't work because there is no reason for anyone to do anything. The "glory of the motherland" is not a legitimate incentive to work in a money-less society

>Materialists uniting their sick ideals
It's perfect!
State capitalism for everyone!

user, isn't that called "liberalism"? Commies regulated as socialists, and libertarians regulated as capitalists. Now I understood you mean liberalism without the (((private bank))) fuckery? Let me tell you about Strasser my friend, combine all that with beautiful ethno-states with no mixing and migration b shit.

You've obviously never sat on a high level public sector committee...

Umm okay!?!?!

You don't understand. Humans are greedy. They always have been, and always will be. It's why one of the cardinal sins was greed. Capitalism isn't perfect, but it's the most ethical way of harnessing the power of greed that every human has.

Just because your organization has a fancy name like workers councils or so on, it doesn't change the fact that is what function it serves

There are more things to harness than just "greed." Communism attempts to harness the power of community and altruism. What if we could harness the power of both under a single system.

>It needs amendments, but it has potential to contribute all the things capitalism lacks.

Perhaps. But imo capitalism is, to a first order approximation, the correct system. Rather than amending communism, we should be amending capitalism (to account for the "higher order" failures of a capitalist system) and perhaps some of our amendments to the capitalist system could be informed by Marxist thought. I am no expert on Marx, but below are my thoughts on the flaws with capitalism and how to fix them.

1. Free markets fail to coordinate behaviors which has positive externalities for groups of people, and also fails to prohibit behaviors which have negative externalities. For example, rational industry workers would not pay union dues in a free market- even though if some authority figure forced them all to simultaneously join a union, they would all be better off. Similarly, fishing companies will overfish a body of water, even if it means less profits over all, because if they don't, some other company will just catch those same fish, and steal their profits. The solution here is either to force/ban the relevant behavior, or, in most scenarios, to simply subsidize/tax it. This solution is already fairly well-known, and utilized in the US today. However, it has been an utter failure in practice, which brings me to my second point.

2. The government itself is a product for corporations to buy. Politicians are bribed with campaign finances, donated through PACs. The politicians are not subservient to the people, but to the corporations and the special interest groups. We end up subsidizing bullshit things like corn syrup and oil, which actually have negative externalities, because of this corruption. The solution is campaign finance reform. If politicians are to serve the people, they must be financed by the people.

>Community
>Altruism

Lies we tell ourselves.

You're a monkey, dude. Gotta just accept it. You're a biological computer programmed to be ruthless, awful, and all manner of evil things. You don't really give a shit about anybody but yourself, and nobody else does, either. You might lie to yourself and say you're a community, but that's really just a tribe pretending they're sticking together for some reason other than pure utility.

Communism is just propaganda by one group of asshole apes trying to convince a larger group of dumber apes to replace Asshole Ape Group A with Asshole Ape Group B. Which is exactly why all the status hierarchies of capitalism and feudalism are instantly recreated under communism any time it's tried, with party status replacing made-up money as the currency.

Just give up on the utopian fantasies and enjoy your iPhone like all the rest of us.

capitalism + communism = slavery and corruption. Just see my country and many others as example.
If China (who is in essence still communist) get more expression in the world we're fucked.
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Welcome to the United States, or any other significant western country.
Seriously though, most western countries today ARE a breed of both, not just capitalist.

whats the difference

sooooo.... National Socialism

Anons just admit liberalism would be great if we remove the (((private banks))) and also combining this with closed borders for ethno-states. (((They))) have fucked with our vision and capability to visualize this centralized ideology of the future. Center is the discipline of the samurai the jews fear.

Give it up, Schlomo.

Communism was a Jewish tool to destroy the roots of the gentile nation-states of Europe and North America, which were based morally on the universality of the Christian ethic, which Jews excluded themselves from based on their ethnic supremacism.

It directly attacked the things most wholesome and conducive for gentiles, specifically their families and communities and the ethical basis for their civilization.

It succeeded at this in Russia, where the native Russian people were reduced to hopelessness and vodka. And the danger of communism in Germany provoked a radical reaction in the German people to protect themselves giving rise to the Nazis.

The expectation was for the Jew, with his extremely tight ethnic bonds and sense of superiority and entitlement, to survive as the Jews have for thousands of years while the communities and traditions of other peoples would be dissolved into an undifferentiated globalist mass with no power any longer to govern themselves or find a place in their own communities.

The aim of communism is to end self-government of peoples and the ability of non-Jews to live lives of meaning and fulfillment within their own communities.

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3. Many industries have barriers to entry, thus stifling competition. Farming doesn't have too many barriers; all you really need to get started is some crops and a suitable plot of land. Thus the profit margins for most farmers are actually quite small, because they have to compete with just about everybody and their mother. However, the airline industry has many barriers to entry. You have to own at least one airplane, and be able to afford the fuel, and have a trained pilot for each airplane, etc, etc. So airlines can get away with a lot of bullshit and treat their customers badly, because the industry is essentially an oligopoly; not many people can afford to compete in it. I don't think this can be completely solved, but a partial solution is, perhaps, a basic income. If people have a basic income, then entrepreneurship will be less risky, and even relatively poor people will be able to start competitive businesses. Another partial solution is de-regulation. Unnecessary regulations can be burdensome and costly to adhere to, basically creating more barriers to entry.

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4. The last problem is one that I do not know how to solve- I do not know if it can be solved. It is really a problem with competition in general. In competing with each other, firms may waste a lot of resources simply trying to get an advantage on one another in a way that doesn't actually improve their product. For example, consider advertising. Suppose, for simplicity, that you have exactly two brands of candy, M&Ms, and Skittles. Everyone already knows about these two brands- any commercials that these companies make is simply to get any potential candy buyers to buy /their/ product rather than the other one. So M&Ms each spend millions of dollars on advertisements, fighting each other for consumers. But in actuality, if they made a deal to both cut their ad spending in half, they could save a lot of money that could be better spent on other things, like research into making their candy cheaper, more tasty, or even donating it to charity. But they can't make this deal, because capitalism incentivizes each firm to spend more on advertising to get an advantage on the other.

>Communism contains the power to unite citizens into a collective. Which empowers them because they now have a stake in the large picture of their nations progress.

user, again do you have a fucking idea how jews have divided and conquered the western civilization through savage capitalism and private banking? can you even read what the user is portraying at the main thread? do you even anything? stereotypical stormfag cartoon....

No something even transcended beyond that. The merger of the capitalist core and the communist core an entire nation of united capitalist individuals but somehow still collective. I don't really know, the future of it is fuzzy, but in time it will become more clear.

I kinda get where you are going, but remember to include the "ethno states". Once you say things like "ethno states" , "closed borders" and "no private banking". Mention Strasser and how he was an alternative nazi, so from that point even the most brainlet stormfag will start to ask questions.

Look into syndicalism. It's the idea of worker collectives making up the economy but with money still existing.

Its called state fucking capitalism you idiot
and it is the closest thing we have seen to communism being implemented
and this is what we are pushing for so long as we have a Dictator of the Proletariat to squash anyone that gets too greedy

State capitalism is a Chinese thing. I am thinking of something even beyond that. And why is a fellow comrade calling me an idiot?

I don't have the gommunism copypasta on hand or time to tell you all to starve another country in detail.
Instead, look at my rares Pepe you cannot steal.