China's CCP

Is there any chance China will be getting rid of the CCP any time soon? Is it even a possibility that it could go down?

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The most stable, reputable and productive government on the planet?

No just the symbol in the government room, which is offensive since it represents an oppressive government that tortured and killed millions of people under Stalin

Sorry I meant to reply to Not the OP

>No just the symbol in the government room, which is offensive since it represents an oppressive government that tortured and killed millions of people under Stalin
And how does your butthurt about symbols and ideologies nudge historical and political predictions in one way or the other?

why would the Chinese people get rid of the CCP when it only gets more effective and productive at meeting their needs as time goes on?

Most likely no, the CCP is by far the most flexible political party there is, they are not purists when it comes to their ideology, not to mention that it's the most productive government China has ever had.

You can't be serious right? You know the Chinese treat their own people as fucking immigrants and that housing is going through the roof because the rich invest in property like idiots? -- which you can't even blame them for because the CCP cut them off from any other form of investment.

But, tell me, how exactly is it meeting their needs? Unless you think basic fucking healthcare, affordable housing, and public schooling aren't "needs."

Man I hope the USA installs a proper fascist/state capitalist government to compete with China's current version of fascism before it is too late and they swallow us whole. Trump/Pence military junta is our only hope, once it is over with the old orange fool can be put to pasture and Bannon can be installed as american princeps.

>Man I hope the USA installs a proper fascist/state capitalist government to compete with China's current version of fascism before it is too late and they swallow us whole
>people believe this

The average Chinese Dynasty has a shelf life of 250 years.

A good Chinese dynasty has 400 years. See Han/Tang.

If the CCP is seen through the perspective of Chinese Dynastic Cycle History, it has years more to go. So far the CCP is 60 years old or so.

Only a smart person purposefully channeling a completely retarded person could say something so deliberately stupid.

Except it's a republic, and there is no sense to try to pull any historical examples, since none of the institutions of Imperial Chinese bureaucracy are at play, and entirely new ones are.

>You can rule the middle kingdom without the mandate of heaven

So is it just a 25 year suggestion, rather than a rule?

>China is fascist

Maybe he means it in a metaphysical sense.
>"The world under heaven, after a long period of division, tends to unite; after a long period of union, tends to divide. This has been so since antiquity. ”
>― Luo Guanzhong

I think you should worry about how to get rid of "Sexual Revolutionists" form "The West" first. I've heard Australia, the famous nanny state of Western world, is going to fall for their filthy degenerated agenda soon. They cause much more harm and threat to entire humanity than CCP can ever do. I wonder how many delusional genders Aussies will have in future....

The Chinese conception of the Dynastic Cycle is pretty de Facto.

Dynasties fall because eventually they fuck up and become so corrupt it harms the country. When that happens it was considered the Moral responsibility according to the Mandate of Heaven to replace that government with something better.

Replace the "Mandate of Heaven" with "Republican Ideals" and the notion that Chinese could revolt against the CCP when it fucks up big time is made even worse.

>But The Great Leap Forw-
Happened during a time when a generation of Chinese had been sick of the chaos of 19th/early 20th Century China. The memories of that Generation is dying off and is replaced by people with completely new perspectives.

>pronouns scare me more than dictatorships
This is what Sup Forums does to you.

Western propaganda and meme of democracy

But china does have public schooling and cheap housing

Only if you're born in the right place. Rural people that are getting driven away from their provinces are treated as immigrants in other places (and they're being forced to move).

>trannies are a bigger threat than a nuclear dictatorship
it literally doesn't matter what the people in the government identify themselves as, they're only allowed there to preserve the status quo

China is not fascist and US will be most viable country till at least 22nd century

On the other hand hundreds of millions have been lifted out of poverty, and the vast majority are having their needs met.
And don't say
>yeah but what about people who aren't born near any important cities or infrastructure or concentrations of wealth of any kind
And people are being forced to move so the state can build dams and farms and roads for the other billion chinks that need it.

>China is not fascist and US will be most viable country till at least 22nd century
Who's going to replace it then?

>On the other hand hundreds of millions have been lifted out of poverty, and the vast majority are having their needs met.
You're saying that like this could only be done under the CCP.. when it could be done even better under better leadership.
>And don't say
Why? Because it's the truth? Like 1/3 of the population is Africa tier.

Is there any chance USA will be getting rid of the American Flag which is offensive since it represents an oppressive government that tortured and killed millions of people any time soon? Is it even a possibility that it could go down?

>The Chinese conception of the Dynastic Cycle is pretty de Facto.
Noone argues that the societies fail when they fail to deal with internal runaway crises or fail to adjust to changing environment caused by outside forces or technological progress. You went further than that, and suggested that the lifecycles of the Chinese dynasties can be directly applied to the PRC. Which is utter nonsense.

No, it's reality do to me, because my hometown is also infested by them. (One of their "founders", Kollontai, is also a commie+feminazi)

I see their true disgusting degenerated nature(including their "collaborators") clearer than ever before! In fact, they're also infested in this weebsite, there are evidences everywhere.

I would rather be ruled by fascists than faggots!

>you're saying that this could only be done by the CCP
No but it WAS done under the CCP and that's what matters.
>1/3 of China is poor
It's quite good considering 95% of the population was Africa-tier 60 years ago and the cities were 50% japanese bullet-holes, aka one human lifespan ago.

You are basically an ideologically butthurt larper spewing meaningless slander. Present objective and quantifiable comparison or GTFO please.

But there isn't. Dynastic Cycles is pretty no-frills.
>Why is X is the current government of China?
>Because X provides China with stability and prosperity.

>Why did X stop being China's government?
>Because X failed to provide China with stability and prosperity. So it was ousted and replaced by Y
Boom, dynastic cycle.

>US will be most viable country till at least 22nd century
Roma invicta and all that jazz.
USA is rich economically, but its' government is almost completely defunct, and its' population is almost completely dissatisfied and disillusioned. Really, you don't need that much of a nudge for things to go down real fast

>trannies are a bigger threat than a nuclear dictatorship
Yeap, you're absolutely correct! I would rather be ruled, even killed by fascists than disgusting faggots! They are absolutely DISGUSTED me!!

The idea hat people can sue you for not using their preferred pronouns is kind of scary imho

>Is there any chance USA will be getting rid of the American Flag
Not as long as I have two arms and the ability to swing them.

>Boom, dynastic cycle.
You have said that Chinese govt has many more years ahead, because Chinese dynasties ruled for X or Y years, and thus, the Chinese republic is also on that same timeframe. This conclusion is illogical and wrong.

Too overly simplistic to be any use in explaining anything. Plus the original quote is about how unity and disunity decays over time, which is questionable

irrelevant question

for what is in place is the imperial tradition that will simply take any historical form and absorb it to perpetuate itself

>You have said that Chinese govt has many more years ahead, because Chinese dynasties ruled for X or Y years, and thus
>What are trends.

Jesus even Post-Imperial Chinese history had the traditional multi-party warring states moment during 1916-1949.

China didn't have some intangible, magical tradition. It had a bureaucratic system that remained in place and operation throughout history, and created similar results under different dynasties.
Postrevolution, however this system was scraped and an entirely new one was created. So unless there are certain practical and institutional similarities between Imperial Chinese bureaucracy and Communist Republican Chinese bureaucracy, there will be no similarity of the outcome too.

>Postrevolution, however this system was scraped and an entirely new one was created.

thats precisely the illusion that tradition creates: it adopts whatever new image or public practices it has to adopt to show its supposed change, but the base that structures society remains the same: the hierarchical relationships through which every newborn becomes part of society.

whatever comes after communism will still be based on the same order that kept the old dynasties coming and going under the same pattern.

> Unless you think basic fucking healthcare, affordable housing, and public schooling aren't "needs."

Ahem... what country are you from?

>dynasties
So, how will Mao Jinping transfer power when he dies if he's only go daughters?

Yea but this period of 'disunity' is not as long as previous conflicts

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>china isn't a fascist

>getting rid of the CCP

No, this is the first time in centuries China has truly been united.

What's it to you, cupcake? Not the USA if that's what you mean.

the issue of filial piety has nothing to do with blood but with a male that perpetuates the lineage. the kinship just happens to be the most obvious field on which this power structure can be transmitted, but if it comes to lack it can be replaced by the equivalent of an adopted son that will properly follow the ritual behavior.

I want all of you to know, that whenever you make a comment like that and with such a picture, you are describing none but yourself by it.

>defunct government
pure fantasy

>pure fantasy
The United States administration literally diverts most of its' capacity to struggle against itself, and performs wild flailing in foreign policy. Once it's actually doing something else, that is because transnational corporations have bribed enough politicians to push a policy that would increase their revenue in turn.

>struggling against itself
Internal politics does not mean it is struggling against itself. It's a democracy with different political parties, there is friction just like in any other government.
>flailing in foreign policy
explain
>bribing
Lobbying is an issue but I wouldn't go as far to call the government corrupt

>you are describing none but yourself by it

Well you're right, I was laughing pretty hard

how about the two fasces either side?

pretty sure someone or more did something naughty involving similar symbols

Xi Jin Ping is indeed the leading light in modern political science world wide. He will recreate the Classical world but it will be born beautiful and new. I am already looking for a good tailor to measure me for some nice robes and one of those sweet flat-top hats with beads, or maybe I'll get the ones with exaggerated ears sticking out.

the vast changes in foreign policy (policy in general) the moment a new party takes office.

>No, this is the first time in centuries China has truly been united.
China has only been disunified for half a century, you retard.

A century if you count the Taiping Rebellion as the start of Chinese disunity.

>this is flailing
Ok pal changing global troop numbers by 10 or 20 thousands every term doesn't indicate a nation in disarray

???
Even though the Qing was in total disarray by the early 20th century, it was highly unified for much of the dynasty.

CCP will no longer exist in 2049 as that is when the CCP plans to have fully achieved the ability to transition to Communism and the CCP will transition to a stateless moneyless, Star Trek The Next Generation Tier society while the rest of the world implodes due to incompetent neoliberal leadership that can't look beyond a single financial year.

youtube.com/watch?v=yLyWh_Ojqb8

Better be learning this song in Chinese comrade.

>as that is when the ccp plans to fully transition into communism
Got a source for that?

>The developments of Chinese socialism under Xi Jinping’s leadership are encouraging and set a roadmap for China’s development into a “great modern socialist country” in which the Chinese people will enjoy “common property,” by 2050.

Xi's plan is to have the groundwork ready for a transition to Socialism by 2035 and then achieve common property and be a fully developed socialist society by 2049.

Yeah i see that but what source are you getting that from

The recent party congress.

telesurtv.net/english/opinion/A-New-Era-for-Socialist-China-20171024-0008.html
news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-10/18/c_136688815.htm

>In his speech, Xi for the first time outlined a specific timetable for reaching the second centennial goal. He said the party will first lead China to “basically realize socialist modernization” by 2035, when, among other things, the nation will have narrowed its wealth gap and improved its environment significantly. And the second stage will last from 2035-2050, during which China will become a leading global power and the Chinese people will basically enjoy “common property.”

qz.com/1105337/chinas-19th-party-congress-your-five-minute-summary-of-xi-jinpings-three-hour-speech/

that does not necessarily mean what /his/ thinks it means.

So will they still be getting eaten by escalators or

I think it means china will go back to being communist by 2049, what else could it possibly mean?

Lolwhat? Short warring-states periods were the norm in Chinese Imperial history. Shit like the Chu-Han Contention or the Post-Yuan breakup happened in less that 10 or 20 years.

The ones that truly stood up were shit like the Nanbeichao Period , the Three Kingdoms, or the 5 Dynasties and 10 KIngdoms period. Which lasted a century or two.

Communism cannot be achieved unless it's implemented universally

God I hope so. Would be nice seeing China implode.

What are the possibilities that they will simply change their aesthetic and representative form? China's govt and system is not communist in any way and the flag is atrocious compared to former Imperial flags. Would be cool if they changed their name, flag etc without seriously changing the system. "People's X, Y, Z" institution names r also grotesque

> Internal politics does not mean it is struggling against itself. It's a democracy with different political parties, there is friction just like in any other government.

It's not regular friction, but the results of a 250 year old political system that badly needs modernizing but hasn't. Modern data analytics and mass media is powerful to a degree that the founders can't even imagine, yet there's no safeguards against using those tools to exploit the system.

> Lobbying is an issue but I wouldn't go as far to call the government corrupt

I would say that it's worse because it's legal. The US is also alone in having extremely lackadaisical campaign funding regulations, so much so that politicans spend more time fundraising rather than doing their fucking jobs.

> Ok pal changing global troop numbers by 10 or 20 thousands every term doesn't indicate a nation in disarray

More like pulling out of previously agreed trade deals and agreements at the drop of a hat.

>what if the U.S changed it's flag and institutions, it's not like they stand for freedom anyway
the ideology that the government represents is what keeps it in power

The US struggling against itself is a feature, not a bug. The purpose is to prevent tyranny by ensuring that action can only be taken when a majority agrees to it.

>prevent tyranny
you're already living in tyranny

I called trump a nigger on facebook a few hours ago and the police gaven't kicked in my door yet, so no.

I can call the president a dumb faggot on facebook, spraypaint FUCK THE FED on my car and the FBI won't kidnap me and harvest my organs.
So there, already one up over the chinks.

You dumbass amerilards think that you're unique in that matter? I'm chinese, and we can call trump a faggot on facebook as much as we want too!

>china on facebook
lol

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>I can call drumpf a nigger so it excuses government massive surveillance and illegal cointelpro activities towards political groups that diverge from the status quo.
Your understanding of tyranny lacks nuance

>cointelpro
Lol that stopped in the '70s

>chink still trying to pretend the US is somehow on the same level as the PRC in terms of tyranny

this,
Free speech is a meme, your speech is only as free as the government allows it to be which means it can never harm the current state of affairs.
Poor Snowden's freezpeach wasn't covered by his insurance I guess

>stopped
They're only taking a break, I mean even cointelpro aside what do you call your government lying to the public to invade iraq other than tyranny?
>[insert something I never implied]

You mean the same Snowden who's had MULTIPLE movies, documentaries, and books released about him, detailing his life, and viewpoints? Somehow all of those, most of which are explicitly pro-Snowden, haven't been censored in any way.
Keep reaching, Chang.

>capitalists making profit on literally anything all while turning the focus from their government literally spying on them into a commodity to be enjoyed in the theaters as another cliched tragic hero tale
Peak spectacle tyrone, what about the man himself? I doubt the government was that nice to him
Americans are braindead

>snowden
Lol he's getting fucked because there are reports that he colluded with russian intelligence services you dumbass
>they're only taking a break
Yeah, no, they're done with that shit. The only stuff even remotely related is them planting sleeper agents in the KKK.
>what would you call lying to the american public to invade iraq
Not tyrannical? As i recall, nobody was forced to take up arms and invade iraq. The US army has been all-volunteer since vietnam.

The government wasn't that nice because he broke the law against releasing classified information to the public, user.

>gubernment invading other countries against their people's will is ok because the army is made up of (((volunteers))) (e.g people who can't fucking afford college)
Yet ISIS is blamed on muslims instead of the U.S interventions that led to such radical reactions, I hope NK nukes you desu.
>the law
nice meme, now stop talking about free speech when there obviously are things you cannot say that go against the government's agenda you faggot

>now stop talking about freedom if soeech because there are things you obviously cannot say
The list of "things you cannot say" is extremely short: it basically just includes stealing givernment data and transmitting it. To say that american rights, or even any other rights are compromised because you can't transmit private information (a policy that applies to private citizens too, by the way) is retarded.

>The feds are keep track of my nazi facebook page, Its literally another Dresden

if there is a list of things you cannot say even if it's small then it's not free
and isn't the government supposed to be representative of it's people? why would they sanction a guy who literally just told the people their government is spying on them?

>its another "americans don't have free speech because laws exist" episode
Can't expect anything more from brainwashed statist orientals to be honest.