Would would think Sup Forums think of an independent Wales

What would you think of an independent Wales? Would you Support it? What would it be like?

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Would be grand, would deffo be richer than we are now.

I sincerely hope some sort of major economic crash takes place soon to plunge Wales into mass unemployment and (even worse) poverty, so that a radicalized Plaid Cymru can be convinced to turn far-right and muster the masses into cutting ties with an increasingly non-white England. The fact that something like 15% of the Welsh population are first generation English is very disheartening, and places like North-East Wales may as well be English at this point, as is Pembrokeshire etc.

Obviously the economy would suffer short-term without being able to suck up to London, but in 2021 when the next census is released people are going to have a big shock when they see that London, Manchester, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Luton, Watford, Slough, Oldham, Bradford, Reading, Leicester and other major English towns and cities are either majority non-White British or are even close to becoming so. The statistical change from 2001 to 2011 is shocking enough, and realistically if Plaid had any courage or foresight at all they would use this in their propaganda, rather than continuing to be essentially a "Welsh Green Party" of a nationalistic bent.

Some realistic, common sense laws for Plaid to promote:

1. Children of consensual incest who are born with disabilities (50% of British pakistanis have kids with their cousins IIRC) will not be illegible to receive free treatment from the NHS.

2. Any non-Welsh population settling in Wales (English perhaps not included for the time being) who make up more than 1% of the population will be forced to pay extra tax measured according to the % of the population they make up.

3. Instant deportation for all first generation non-British immigrants, and all English criminals to serve in English jails (most drug gangs in the Valleys are from Birmingham, Bristol etc, many of them being non-white)

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As a proud welshman myself I think you are fucking insane, we are in no state currently to stand independant of England.
Do I DREAM of an independant Wales? Of course I fucking do.
Do I think we can do it any time soon? No fucking way, we're utterly fucked and on our knees right now, the cunts in the welsh assembly are cucks only interested in lining their pockets at the expense of us. No party is talking sense including Plaid who want MORE FUCKING IMMIGRATION.

I fucking hate this situation and it makes me and my friends angry as hell but if you think going independent right now would do anything but bring the blade down faster you're fucking deluded.
for a start we would need to get rid of this concept of Cardiff as capitol. Cardiff is a fucking shithole and anything south of Carmarthen is basically english, burn it all away, nothing will be lost.

anything that fucks up UK is good

>so that a radicalized Plaid Cymru can be convinced to turn far-right
What is it with the mass delusion that Independent Scotland/Wales would magically spawn a right wing political class? It's constantly spouted by retarded Scots and Welsh on here.

4. A tech-hub to be set up in Cardiff (or perhaps Swansea) with an effort to lure and develop startups and potentially IT specialists from poorer White nations (e.g. Baltic states).

5. A reduction of foreign aid spending from 0.7% to 0.1%, OR a radical overhaul to make sure aid is only given with a view to making a profit (i.e as the CDC group are doing) rather than funding population booms in irredeemably backwards nations.

6. A clear manifesto stating two central focuses for Plaid - Culture and Economy

7. Define and assert a dominant Welsh culture

8. Make the case that a distinct national language is more valuable (but not enforced as primary language) than how many shekels a nation can rake in

9. Transform the Eisteddfod into a mainstream state-sponsored cultural event, similar to the Latvian Song and Dance Festival

10. Introduce new annual cultural events, e.g. an annual "lighting of the beacons" in which local populations gather at high points and light respective beacons in turn from the far north and clockwise around the borders (autistic perhaps but aesthetic no doubt)

11. Force non-Welsh alcohol and gambling companies to invest a certain amount of profit from each region directly back into mental health charities etc in said region

12. Ban outright or heavily tax any "degenerate" ventures which profit from high unemployment (e.g. Coyote Ugly, Hooters etc in Cardiff)

13. Establish a fixed Minimum of the White Welsh population in Wales, with a plan to react to the population falling below that percentage (restricted immigration, swifter deportation of foreign criminals etc)

14. Force the hand of the Cardiff Airport owners to either fix their mess or nationalize / sell-up.

15. Force construction companies to build homes on land they own within a specific period or raise the tax on that land incrementally until they do

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You certainly have the superiour flag so I say Go for it and Good Luck , Owen.

>Transform the Eisteddfod

No, get fucked. You're undermining welsh culture by doing that, the Eisteddfod isn't something you can change for votes.

I agree with you on a lot of other points however.

Sup Forums would likely allow it, although not encourage it.

open bobs

No. I only want poles, pajeets and pakis to be deported from the UK.

>What would it be like?

Pobol Y Cwm

Why does the dragon have a jew proboscis? Also civil war is always welcome.

>Independent wales
Why though?

SovereignWales.com

What I mean by "transform" is expand the intended audience beyond North Walians and S4C viewers. For example: force the tax-funded BBC to show it live on television, and introduce more traditional, large-scale, aesthetic displays (e.g. mass choirs, night-time shows) rather than a bunch of teenagers dancing to Shakira in front of 20 pensioners from Anglesey.


16. Offer grants to small businesses to install awnings above their stores to both make small towns more attractive and to encourage shoppers in bad weather

17. Send criminals guilty of with repeat drug offences to rural areas to get clean far away from their homes, perhaps under the tutelage of military officers in the Brecon beacons, and / or to serve as free labour for under-pressure farms

18. Push through the Wales-China deals for Welsh Lamb and Welsh Beef which have stalled for several years.

19. Introduce tariffs on any company which closes its factory in Wales and moves its elsewhere (plenty of examples)

20. Discover how many weeks of the year Prince Charles's cottage in Lllwynywormwood [sic] is occupied, and occupy it by force if it's under 1 month and sell it to a young local couple in a publicized propaganda move.

21. Introduce a policy of diverting any public funds intended to help construct mosques or synagogues into the resoration of historic Welsh churches and castles.

22. Restore Gwrych Castle (a really tragic case) and use it to attract further tourists as they've just done with the "Welsh Castle Tour" being marketed in Asia at the moment.

23. Invest in Welsh startups which manufacture "traditional" Welsh clothing suited to contemporary consumers and encourage a "buy local" campaign in that respect.

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But for Wales?

would love to see it desu, wales is too assimilated for independence sadly.
theyd be starting from scratch, could be anything they want

England, as well as France, Germany, Sweden etc, are in steep decline demographically. Wales is safe for the moment but it takes a powerful effort to protect yourself, and you won't be able to do it without official influence. Rather than like UKIP, Plaid could be the party for stricter British immigration as UKIP was the torchbearer for Brexit.

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24. Demand Welsh taxes be distributed from the Welsh Assembly to Parliament (as they do in Scotland via Holyrood) in the short-term rather than the other way around.

25. Ban adoption of children from outside Europe, with the simple justification being that plenty of Welsh kids need loving parents.

26. Introduce grammar schools, or smaller, stricter state schools rather than the huge day-care centres currently in operation.

27. Introduce a nationwide campaign to review public signage (including double-yellow lines) with the aim of radically decreasing these, for both aesthetic, traditional and "tourism"-centric reasons.

28. Heavily regulate pornography sites which essentially steal material from large companies and distribute it (((for free))) to demoralized, lonely consumers to make ad revenue, providing zero reward to the Welsh culture or economy as a result.

29. "Traditionalize" small towns suffering from a lack of footfall; transforming copy+paste pedestrianized streets full of boarded up shops with cobbled streets and independent stores with low business rates to re-establish competitive local economies in the age of the warehouse and mega out-of-town retail outlet.

30. Introduce (on a trial basis) subject-specific academies from 16-18 for children orientated towards certain subjects, e.g. science, engineering, music - allowing them to get the usual A Level qualifications but in an environment which fosters their talents.

Cont...

Moved to Aberystwyth for uni, I can tell you now Wales could not support their own independence, there's just a section of the population who want it purely to spite the English

All your suggestions are geared towards an established consumerist state though, what do you do about our mines, our steel, our shipping?

Fuck cobble streets and subsidized shop awnings! What about the fucking coal and gold and gas? The mines AREN'T dry, they fucking aren't.

Btw the welsh are english statistic is skewed quite a bit because a lot of the areas of wales are covered by english hospitals, so children and born in england.

31. Increase the "Minimum" size for a new-build home *unless* it is custom built or high value; allowing Wales / Britain to no longer keep building the smallest homes (on average) in Europe (Denmark builds the largest - on average).

32. Force property builders to renovate existing brownfield and / or historic disused properties according to fairly simple aesthetic guidelines (no radical change of exterior) rather than simply building another "unit" on a piece of green land.

33. Force WJEC to change its curriculum (e.g. radically reducing the amount of anti-German material, introducing Welsh mythology and historical struggles) to inspire nationalist sentiment and loyalty.

34. Offer tax incentives for high-earners depending on how many children they have (controversial perhaps, but very productive long-term)

35. Ban any non-White Welsh ethnic group from occupying more than 50% of any district, suburb or region, thus precluding areas of inner Cardiff becoming majority non-White Welsh (a real bad advertisement for the nation as a whole).

36. Offer grants to renovate any homes and buildings visible from the train going from Bristol to Cardiff (including Newport), as many are damp-ridden and run down. Again cite tourism reasons.

37. Invest gradually in the re-opening of a direct Aberystwyth Cardiff rail route.

38. Force the Welsh Office in London to employ only Welsh citizens, with a preference for Welsh speakers (rather than aspiring English political wannabees who see it as a stepping stone).

39. Introduce a language test or all foreign citizens who stay here for more than 5 years. A failure to speak English fluently results in review of immigration status and closer tax inspection.

40. Introduce mandatory partnerships between secondary schools and elderly care homes, encouraging visits and the consequent passing on of wisdom, or at least the forming of a bond between generations, while tackling loneliness among the elderly (important).

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I'm an Englishman and I think that any true cultural/ethnic nationalism necessarily means a division of the UK. I think the union could remain, but this idea of a British 'nation' should die. The Welsh are our closest brothers on the planet but they are a separate people. I'm happy for us to stay together in one state, but let's not pretend Britain is anything more than a landmass and a convenient political union. It does not and never will make a unified nation.

I also think that Wales has a tremendous amount of untapped potential and could be doing a lot better than it is right now, to an even greater extend than England, which is also hobbled. I'm not sure if they would achieve this quicker on their own though.

Thatttkkkkkwouldddberthemosssttttwonderrfuthinkkkicouldimagineeekks.

Makes sense for the eastern border, but doesn't explain Cardiff's English population, Pembrokeshire, etc. The "Meibion Glyndwr" group definitely had (and have) a reason to complain imo.

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I wouldn't be as interested in Welsh nationalism if England wasn't rapidly becoming less White British. I'm not exaggerating at all either. Look at any major English city and the demographic changes between the 2001 and 2011 census and it's horrifying. The best way to combat this is to encourage *exclusive* nationalist sentiments and ideals. Realistically, Plaid Cymru should become UKIP 2.0 except in regards to immigration.

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41. Invest in additional train carriages from the top end of the valleys to Cardiff, and make a decision on the introduction of the South Wales Metro system to avoid costly fees to lawyers, consultants etc who are doing nothing but remaining "on call."

42. Fund a nationalist-orientated PhD(s) in architecture to establish what constitutes a distinct "Welsh" architectural tradition, and force construction companies (usually international) to introduce this into their plans, rather than simply building another 200 small, characterless "housing units" on a plot of land.

43. Look into a London-Cardiff-specific rail renovation scheme that would introduce faster trains, as they have in continental Europe, Japan etc.

44. Pressure S4C into providing a set amount of English-language programming (I know they have some already) focused specifically on documentaries about Welsh history, biographies of great Welsh individuals, and so on. It's already practically a state-run outlet, so should in theory take full advantage of its propaganda potential.

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An independent Wales would be beneficial for both Wales and England. I cannot see why either would not like it.
>moved to Aberystwyth
Tell me more about how you know more about my country than I do because you lived in Aberystwyth (basically a student town) for a few years.
This is true.

We could essentially be better off

>plaid cymru
>Right wing

pick one senpai

I can understand why you would want to divorce England for that. It must feel like cutting of a gangrenous limb. Have a little faith though we might just sort it out one day.

And remember that we never wanted this any more than you did. But you're right to want to protect your county first.

>Proud welshman
>Non Independant Wales

You know how I know your parents are from England?

I think Wales needs a right-wing populist independence party. UKIP did well in Wales, and we voted for Brexit. I reckon a separatist party could exploit the anti-immigration sentiment in Wales and become popular given enough time. As a matter of fact, a new right-wing indy party is in the making, but it all seems very naff (although the founder is based af). Maybe Taff/pol/ could colonise the party.
Here's the founder's shitty blog: jacothenorth.net/blog/new-party-5-up-and-running/

Literally this. It's insane how many "proud taffs" there are who are born to foreign parents (mainly English) and have absolutely no loyalty to this country beyond miming along the national anthem (not even being able to complete the first line) at rugby matches.

It's pretty sad lad, All I want is for Wales to finally be free of English tyranny.

I do think Welsh folk on Sup Forums should at least give it a look. It's very bare-bones now, but it could be the foundations of something greater if cards are played correctly.

45. "Name and shame" any businesses which close down Wales-based factories and re-open them abroad, forcing them to display prominently on their packaging and advertising not only that something was "Made in China / Taiwan / Bangladesh" but that it was also "Produced in Wales 19XX - 2XXX) to muster public boycotts.

46. Register low-income single mothers and drug-dependent mothers into local groups run by trained healthcare officials to encourage a mutual assistance network (like Weight Watchers for childcare), and so that children have an emergence "relief home" if their mother relapses or becomes financially incapable of supporting her child temporarily.

47. Present two options to the Welsh people:
(a) Either they look out only for themselves or at most their families; taking no notice of the effect of immigration, or rising drug dependence in other Welsh regions, or falling grades in Welsh schools, or the rise in child poverty - essentially dismissing the poor, working class Welsh as irredeemably stupid and hopeless.
OR
(b) They join in with Plaid Cymru's vision of a nation which, due both to traditional reasons (heritage, history, distinct cultural legacy) and practical reasons (realistically effective distribution of empathy and concern) they treat the uneducated child of drug addicts in Merthyr as a brother or sister, as someone who belongs to their wider national family, and to trust that Plaid's immigration controls and Wales First dogma will allow them to volunteer whatever they can to helping such people without that energy being wasted by bureaucracy, or PC culture, or by patronizing Labour efforts simply to make the poor listless and dependent on welfare assistance. This option would tie in with the existing "Buy Local" economic policy (a fairly weak one, but one of Plaid's central economic policies at present unfortunately), widening it to a "Help Local", rather than overlooking the wasted potential of Welsh youth in favour of Syria, Ethiopia etc)

Incorrect UKIP Wales/ Plaid Cymru do not and will never represent Wales. Something is coming, Something big. It may save the UK.


Wales will be reborn from the Ashes and you will see what it can do

I'm not suggesting UKIP. There's a link to a brand new independence party that isn't Marxist like Plaid Cymru. jacothenorth.net/blog/new-party-5-up-and-running/
Looks feeble atm, but all starting parties were.

I think they should go for it, so should we in Scotland. Why the hell not.

Indeed, Change is coming. If you live even in the Valleys, you can feel it on the wind. The tension, It's changed even though it be only 1 wog. It's VERY STRONG.


I visited Bristol not a week ago and there are wogs everywhere and nothing, immediatly back in Wales it felt like something was about to kick off any second.

I didn't say they were right wing, I said I hope a major economic downturn (which is perhaps inevitable anyway) may allow more right wing individuals to turn Plaid right. Remember, the founding fathers of Plaid were very right wing, many of them being accused of being Nazi sympathizers etc. "The Fascist Party in Wales?" by Richard Wyn Jones is a good read.

The working class areas of Northern England have more in common, in my opinion, than they do with Greater London (which is essentially the entire South East, most of the South West, and everything between London and Reading). So in that respect "nationalist" ideals are pretty redundant, as a more British Working Class identity is more relatable. But still, the decline of the White English population since 1991 is absolutely horrific. It is a massacre in slow-motion, nothing less. And due to the essential nature of the Islamic cultural tradition, breeding rates will continue to remain high in that community regardless of geographical location, poverty rates etc. And the second generation are proving to be more loyal to Islam than their parents.

>Byddin Rhyddid Cymru?

I actually don't know their names in English, sorry.

We just need a National Socialist Wales for it to acutally sustain itself

No way, there is ZERO need for new party. Plaid Cymru were originally a right wing (often far-right) party. It's only as a result of co-opting Labour principles that it has become bigger and more left wing. But UKIP and Brexit have shown that the Welsh people care about more than historic Labour loyalties, and Plaid should do more to take advantage of that movement instead of being "The Welsh Greens Party".

Example, what appears among the top 5 most viewed Plaid Cymru videos on Youtube at the moment? This:

youtube.com/watch?v=OXEfCpqkoMA

Based poo

The Welsh have seen more combat than any other UK State combined

Both naive.

UKIP is a dead end party as it was essentially a vehicle for Brexit. It can easily be replaced in Wales by a right-wing Plaid who will hoover up their votes for immigration reasons but obviously not appeal to the "Loyal Brits" who will, however, in time, see the demographic changes in England and may see the use of a Plaid Cymru which says: "Either get immigration under control or we will not form a coalition with either Labour or Tory governments".

>when they call you naive without providing a reactive counter-point except admitting they are from England

What did he mean by this?

A National Socialist party will never work in Wales. Old-style politics with elaborate policies in their name (as with NASDAP) are no longer relevant. A clickbait consumer-driven culture of instant gratification should be appealed to by modern means. Look at Trump; he offered very few specific economic policies for most of his campaign, preferring slogans, controversial statements, nicknames, or policies defined by a catchphrase rather than by detailed plans and elaborations.

The case for nationalism is thus: either a distinctive Welsh identity exists or it does not. If it exists, then we (i.e. Plaid) should not shy away from establishing it as the dominant culture in Wales at the expense of other cultures wishing to turn Wales into a "multi-cultural" society (aka Free Market Culture). In order to establish and "sell" a distinctive culture, Plaid must establish an "Other" than it must protect itself from, and thankfully for Plaid there is the threat of the Great Replacement taking place in England, Belgium, Sweden, Germany etc at a frankly alarming rate. Tie in the undercutting of wages and other things and you have a nice little product there (i.e. nationalism) to sell to an eager audience.

I'm not from England. Fluent Welsh speaker lad. And I'm not saying you are naive, I'm saying your paranoid-sounding buzzword-filled and entirely vague post about something in the wind and Wales rising from the ashes is naive. It's all heart with no discernible brain, which is one of the reasons is in the shitter at present.

> If it exists, then (((WE)))

Firstly Directly admitted you're a shill working for a party...

Secondly, A part for WALES should not sell out the WELSH or WALES for it's own personal gain as you literally just suggested;

>"In order to establish and "sell" a distinctive culture"

We are not selling shit you fuck, "POOLS CLOSED"

Finally,

>"Undercutting of wages"

We are WELSH not English, I know for a fact that atleast 70% of people here could not give a flying fuck what they make, aslong as they have a job to do....

I'm sick of you English fucks Cosplaying and imaging you have a fucking clue what we think, it's so boring

It's not "In the shitter" so much as, If a Dragon is starved of food and you whip it, don't expect it to react immediatly.

It's tired

No changing Plaid now, seems to be stuck on the leftie love bus for good. More concerned with leftie brownie points and discrediting the "anti-immigration rhetoric" of UKIP than putting Wales at the heart of its concerns.

Did you miss the rest of what I wrote you fucking cunt? My family are welsh as far back as you care to look, a few went to sheffield to mine and split into a different branch but I am Welsh and you can go fuck yourself.
I long for an independent Wales but i'm not doing it out of fucking spite and i'm not so fucking stupid that I think we can achieve it any time soon.
Right now it's like hoping taking away a paraplegic's fucking wheelchair will make them able to walk.

Also describing it as "English Tyranny" will get you nowhere. It's like Cymdeithas Y Iaith Gymraeg talking about English colonisation. For every Blue Books there was an English-owned factory or mine, and for every Welsh Not there has been an opportunity for a young Welsh person to earn money in London. The Welsh-English alliance is ancient (with its obvious "misunderstandings", shall we say) and must remain of primary concern. The kind of backwards-thinking anti-English sentiments in Wales are evidence of its backwards mentality. Just look at the Six Nations games in recent years in Cardiff where they turned off the lights when the English anthem was sung. Pure bitterness and inferiority complex. What we should be saying is "look, we have our own distinctive identity, and we want as much power over the inner workings of our distinct nation as possible, and if we fail we fall on our own swords", rather than being a Poland-tier nation which asks a lot and bites the hand which feeds it.

>"I'M WELSH I SWEAR"

ok lad

I agree that we shouldn't be pretending to be the victims of anything but a shitty Westminster government. I don't appreciate this appropriation of Irish victimhood by other Celts.

>better not piss off the 1 owner
>60 workers

Hold on, that one owner is more important, this is what the English find so hard to understand.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I realize that many of my suggestions are small-time, but still it's important to organize every aspect of a country according to lucid guiding principles. I really don't know enough about the mines to have an opinion, though I imagine if we are still consuming coal it should be Welsh coal. I don't think Wales has any real gas deposits which aren't exploited already, though alternative energy (more recently tidal) would be a great long-term investment.

I Would support it.

Nothing short of doxxing myself is going to satisfy your retarded paranoia so i'll refer back to what I wrote previously and tell my honorable friend that you can go fuck yourself.
You're probably some snotty nosed student-town cunt who thinks he knows everything anyway so I don't know why i'm wasting any effort on you.

I will solely admit, I replied to this hastily.

But I applore you to look up any Genuine operation of WW1 or WW2.

I gurantee that the Welsh were almost the sole reason it was acomplished, I'm not saying we're better than the English. We just have a right to exist without you.

OP are you the lad who runs the facebook page Welsh Independence Memes for Angry Welsh Teens?

The guy got in trouble for using Pepe in something the other day, kek.

>1000 generation Welsh
>snotty nosed student-town cunt

The absolute STATE of you lad, but I do agree South Wales is a monumental shit hole

The Irish have more genuine reasons to feel victimized IMO, and a closer relationship with Ireland would be great for Wales (and an indy Scotland). And as for the Westminster issue; never before have Plaid Cymru had a better chance to make it clear that the North - South divide in England (economically speaking) is as damaging, if not more so, than the London-Welsh divide. They *must* drive it home that it is London we are up against, not "England". As I said, someone living in County Durham probably has more in common with someone living in Rhondda than they do someone living in Surrey. And the fact that London is around 40% White British (2011 Census) and falling fast is a perfect opportunity to highlight exactly what Wales needs to get away from asap.

>Exclusively Welsh thread
>Brings up the Irish

But WHY????

Plaid will never ever turn right they full of fat 40-60 year old Muslim loving roasties just like labour.

>without you

I am a fluent Welsh speaker from several generations ("all the way back to the Spanish" would be a good joke here if anybody understood it) of Welsh stock. Also, your claim about WW1 / 2 is both irrelevant and, I imagine, absurd. Claiming Group A is "better" than Group B is a childlike mentality. I encourage you to make the effort to articulate yourself.

Please stop responding to my posts. You have to be at least 18 to post on Sup Forums, remember.

You provided literally no arguments, I'm not surprised.

>"I encourage you to make the effort to articulate yourself."

Oh boy how will I every recover from a blatant strawman.... did you ever bother to just google what I said? no you didn't. You're pretty boring m8


>HURR DURR I SPEAK WOLSH

of course you do....

you'd have the coolest flag, but that havarti foot-fighting has to stop

>Wants Wales and Ireland to play along
>Must be 18 to respond

Do you not have some potatoes to respond to?

The Welsh hate the Irish just like the Scots hate the Welsh. The only people the Welsh get along with are literally anyone who isn't (((CELTIC)))

They started out Right and were so for a reasonably long time. The Labour tailcoating has worked to make the party more mainstream, but Labour's anti-white naivety (and Plaid's blind echoing of said naivety) will make it irrelevant. Look at the debates on TV at election time. Leanne Wood came across as a fifth column for the Greens. Her "star moment" was attacking Farage for not wanting HIV-positive Africans to settle in the UK. While that will earn her superficial "public praise" it does nothing for those who have genuine concerns about immigration, jobs, etc. It's just white noise and doesn't undermine the fact that "being nice gets you nowhere in life".

>have some potatoes

Wales should be independent.

Fe godwn ni eto.

Oh god what have I started

Nope I am not the owner

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Dennis Coslett and Cayo Evans etc had pretty much zero mainstream appeal in Wales, unlike the IRA in Ireland. Their movement was irrelevant outside of North Wales, and even there it played second fiddle to Meibion Glyndwr who actually burned down English holiday homes. North Wales has a Quebec-esque culture which is hostile to external influences. Encouraging that culture nationally isn't a bad idea.

When you lose hundreds of thoundsands of men fighting for a doomed country.


It hurts

what's the etymology behind the saying "to welsh on a bet" - why do Welshmen have that rep of not paying their debts?

I'm English and have no issues with Wales becoming independent, but I see this as a pretty unlikely outcome

If wales goes it's own way, like any other country that makes up the UK, then I would like to put an end to the whole thing so that England can go it's own way as well, I would say the same if any country in the UK were to leave

Ah ok. I kinda got the feeling that he may lurk around here.

You make a fair point. How can the cultural divide between north and south Wales be bridged? Even within Plaid Cymru I find there's a gap between north and south in the party.

>When you lose hundreds of thoundsands of men fighting for a doomed country.

tell me about it

Not sure. Seems like it was a stereotype back in the day that we were a bunch of thieves. Look at this nursery rhyme: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taffy_was_a_Welshman

>unlikely
Not necessarily, the demand is rising. I think Plaid's left-wing nature has alienated lots of potential pro-independence Welshmen.

The best reason as to why I can think of is the fact that there were lots of Welsh pirates like Black Bart.

My daughter's name is Taffy

I saw a black MP on Question time once (I think it was David Lammy) use the phrase "Welsh on a bet"
No one batted a fucking eyelid and the fact that a black MP couldn't even contemplated that he'd made a racial slur... that was the day I knew Wales had to leave the union.

I'm pretty sure any anti-independence party could dissuade the Welsh people pretty easily, Wales isn't like Scotland, it's loyalty to the UK has gone without question for a very long time

>black MP couldn't even contemplated that he'd made a racial slur.

niggers can't contemplate much considering that 80% of college-grad nihggers can't summarize a newspaper article.

>Expecting the English to bat an Eyelid at a nigger

wot lad?

Scotland was very unionist up until the mid 20th Century. While Scotland was an equal to England, we had little power.

It was more that here was a black Labour MP openly using a racial slur and just the fucking gall of it. Considering there are now more blacks and more muslims in the UK than Welsh people there really is no hope for Wales as long as it remains in the union.

>"Considering there are now more blacks and more muslims in the UK than Welsh people"


Mate, The Welsh are stronk. Look at any of my other posts, we rebel at 2% nigger, imagine 3% It's just dangerous at that point and the middle class fuckers know that, that's why they continue to shill this thread

yes, but anti unionist sentiment has barely ever been heard from Wales, I imagine membership in the UK goes without question for most Welsh people, although I've only visited the country, I have never lived there

I wouldn't count on it. People right now just don't feel in the position to leave, or there is a poor show in the current indy movement (Plaid Cymru).

Hey guys OP here. If you want some facts/benefits of welsh independence then here you are. youtu.be/Fw5tyCUHYmg

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