Do Japan really believe that mecha are better than tanks?

Do Japan really believe that mecha are better than tanks?

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No.
But they love the looks of them.

>its another tank autists vs mecha manchildren episode

Fuck off, we've probably had a million of these threads by now.

Ever heard of the rule of cool?

Aren't mechs basically tanks but with more maneuverability?

Yes. Because in Japan they would be. Japan is mostly tree covered mountains. Tanks neither climb mountains well or squeeze well inbetween trees.
A humanoid mech would, provided it was not outlandishly oversized. And the one you posted is not outlandishly oversized.
Humanoid mecha are not tanks, they are large infantrymen. And if they stay between the size of a Landmate and a Patlabor and you live in a country made of mountains they would do well.

Tanks are shit.

Mecha > Fighter Jets > Navies > Tanks.

No they are infantry with more armor and which don't bleed.

/thread
Nigga gets it.

Mechas are impractical and highly unrealistic. Aerial bombardments trump the maneuverability of dumb glorified tank soldiers.

>No they are infantry
Who cares what you call them they get the same guns as tanks and they move and turn faster.

>they get the same guns as tanks
And the same armor.
And for some reason they can be supported by slim legs on muddy ground.

That must be why Japan are making mechs right?

If your tank doesn't transform into a mecha, it's obviously shit.

Most outside of Gundam don't have the same guns or armor as tanks.
Things like Landmates and Labors have somewhere between a helicopter gunship and a IFV level of armor protection. They usually use cannon and missiles that fall in the range carried by gunships and IFVs as well. Which would normally be crew served infantry weapons, but can be operated by one man inside a mech.
A mechs usual defense against anti armor weapons is to lie down. Just like a rifleman.

Sora no Woto had a more realistic approach, but yes one day they will have tanksized robots which are autonomous.

Well i never said that in reality it is possible to have the same armament and get more speed somehow but assuming anime logic if somehow you can make a tank get legs without loosing anything then mechs>tanks

Because nobody can make a mech right now.
There is no good powertrain available for one and the amount of processing needed to make one balance has turned out to be much greater than thought a decade or so ago.

Wouldn't non-humanoid mechs/spider-tanks be way better for all of that too?
Bipedal mechs would lose their balance too easily and it's probably better to keep the machine closer to the ground to make it harder to spot and target.

anime about people driving tanks would get boring fast

Mechas would be better than tanks.
1 pilot per mecha vs 4 or 5 per tank, 3 per tank with the new generation of russian tanks; this would allow to use less people with an equivelent firepower.
More mobility in the mecha, possibly more firepower, etc.
but, why don't they do it? because it is very fucking hard, the major problem would be to find a power source for a mecha.

>one day they will have tanksized robots which are autonomous.

What's the point of an AI? Why not just remote controlled tanks?

Sora no Woto used flight hax. Sicking spider legs on a tank hull conveys the worst drawbacks of both tracked and legged vehicles in one unit. Now they are both too wide and too tall, whereas tanks are only too wide and a humanoid mech is only too tall.

>1 pilot per mecha

Overworked as hell.

Sense-decision-response time is too long in drones unless they are being controlled by another tank or aircraft within line of sight.

Now imagine how much training that one pilot needs and how many things he needs to react to.

Also ground pressure.

Tanks are much cooler.

Except if he the pilot is controlling with motion tracking.

There's more people than there are tanks.

no, they are magic boxes that can ignore square cube laws, inertia, and monopolize all the advanced technology.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Spider tanks can have a silhouette as low as a normal tank. And more importantly they can change the silhouette to get in and out of cover at will.

They no longer have ground pressure problems that make humanoid mechas utterly pointless too.

And entire machine won't be worthless after one joint on a leg breaks down.

Do Japan really believe that power rangers are better than police officers?

Except mechas are not cool. They exist so you can have teenagers fighting armies with swords but without magic.

>Mechas would be better if they had access to magic physics-breaking shit
>But not Tanks. They have to have the same stuff they do right now.
A compelling argument.

OP asked whether Japs actually believed mechas to be better, to which the answer is: they don't care because they find mechs cooler.
Whether you do too, doesn't matter.

Do Japan really believe that a flying witch is better than a delivery truck?

If your tank transforms at all, it's obviously shit.

>and monopolize all the advanced technology.
Basically this.
Generally if tanks show up in a Mecha show, it will be several tech generations dated, without any of the cool guns or lasers

Why the fuck are those tanks not rotating their turrets?

OP question is retarded because OP is degenerate.

Reminds me of the combat test scene vs the tanks in Metal Skin Panic Madox-01.

youtube.com/watch?v=Qp9BmKn5NKg

It's cool shit.
Whereas normal tanks are just boring shit.

>they don't care because they find mechs cooler

Except no. Nip army is not working on mechas in any way.

And mecha anime is selling like shit outside of Gundam. It's one of the worst doing genres in recent years.

Mechas are pointless, but battlesuits would make sense in harsh environments. Resistant to small arms, agile and light enough to climb buildings to toss HEAT charges on tanks down below. Or agile enough to quickly occupy/fortify a rocky/forested area unavailable to vehicles.

Imagine a battlesuit roaming the mountains of Afghanistan with ease, carrying both a LMG and several HEAT warheads. Only needing to restock on ammunition and fuel, and maintenance every now and then.

Somebody post information about that South Korean mech prototype.

Tanks are boring and only white people use them. This is what makes Asians so amazing. Can a tank hold a giant sword? Can a tank hold giant machine guns? Can tanks have wings, jetpacks, and fly? Tanks are garbage just like white people.
youtube.com/watch?v=5m0ZadoooI0

They're manned by WoT players.

But then you realize it's American made and jams when the enemy throws sand at you

Where is all shows like this? I hate super mecha and modern overdesigned gundam bots

>Except no. Nip army is not working on mechas in any way.
The rule of cool is something that applies to writing fiction, not the military.

Humanoid robots are better than function driven robots

>Mech
>Less armor,less rounds,less mobile,maintenance hog, smaller gun,bigger target,more expensive to build and cant carry troops

There is zero reason to build mechs in the real world.

>inb4 anime magic
You might as well apply that shit to planes and tanks.
>inb4 urban fighting capability
You might as well use normal infantry to do the job. Mechs are more susceptible to man portable AT weapons than tanks anyways, maybe get IFV instead if you really need one in a urban setting.

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Please don't smoke, Darjeeling.

>>inb4 urban fighting capabilityYou might as well use normal infantry to do the job. Mechs are more susceptible to man portable AT weapons than tanks anyways, maybe get IFV instead if you really need one in a urban setting.
Or go for power/mech/battle suits. now their shitty cheap AT weapons are the only thing that work on your infantry, that can still enter buildings.

>wanting less people in a tank
>wanting a one dude in a mech
Read a book retard

No.

>They no longer have ground pressure problems that make humanoid mechas utterly pointless too. How the fuck are you figuring that? 6 small feet are not going to have anywhere near as much of a footprint as two large tracks.

>no manga about hot modern jet action/races in post war alternate world where jet technology dominate over AA and anti-G system was developed
suffering

Powered suits could work well after we crack the battery issues. They arent mechs though.

>cheap AP weapons only thing bringing down infantry
I wouldnt say that. Rifle round can pack a still pack a punch, we would just move into different calibers and maybe sacrifice ammo capacity. Thats of course assuming that we would get more penetration that way which might not be the case. Carrying 50 cals as a service rifle wouldnt be far off if your infantry has power suits.

Depends on what you mean by mech. Powered armor has some great advantages if we can get it working. A full-sized gundam thing is kind of dumb though. Lots of wasted space and more points of failure than a tank to get it working. Only has marginal advantages in the worst types of terrain but hybrid designs can compensate for some of that.

Pretty sure that only having 1 person vs 4-5 would be a huge disadvantage.

You'd need lot more training needed for the pilot to manage weapons, movement, communications all at the same time and if the pilot is incapacitated it's over. A tank can still operate as long as there's at least 1 alive person inside. It's not like manpower is at a premium.

FMP mechs

What you want is a tank like main structure that sends out a swarm of flying drones upon contact with the enemy.
The drones would be difficult to hit, (relatively) cheap to replace when destroyed and carry a good arsenal of weaponry.

This. Manpower is less valuable than the resources to build and maintain it. If you can out industry your opponent so much that you can build 4-5 vehicles per their 1 you likely win almost regardless of what you build.

i'm scared

Then again processing power has increased in speed while reducing size/powerintake. As for powertrains, if you reduce the requirements so the damn thing doesn't have to leap over buildings or anything silly like that, it's doable with current tech. Extremely overpriced compared to other weapon platform types, but it's doable.

>implying jet technology doesnt already dominate AA
Even S-300 is useless against modern jamming

>Tankfag having to post the same .gifs and webm every thread

There's a genre called Mecha.
There isn't a genre called Tanks.

Appleseed-style multileg gun platforms?

Well you're right, they're not mechs and there's more that could hurt them.

But the point was that mechs are dumb due to their scale, primarily.
You don't want an infantry replacement that can't do infantry things like holding/entering buildings.
Anyway has it right, you want drones in the end. both small flying ones, and maybe a small handful of land based ones. Pick not entirely related as it may not really be the best form.

Who wins, a marine in standard issue gear or a miniature tank as tall as his knee?

Mecha
>can fly
>can go to space
>looks cool as fuck and scares the shit of your enemy
>homing rockets
>can carry a sword
>cockpit probably feels like a king's throne
>hatch won't open unless they've got the proper equipment or the pilot opens it
>can move at high speed with boosters

tanks
>armored van with a nose
>multiple wheels because of retarded reasons
>slow as fuck
>enemies can easily open the hatch
>can't fly
>can't go to space
>the inside probably smells like sweat

Why would you prefer tanks again?

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Tank, if armed with nerve gas bullets.

The tank?

Basically to make mechs useful we need to develop system that can interrupt TOW, AT shells with 100% until this system has power support/ammo. Mech would be great "special" unit

Marine just shoots the robot out of its dead angle. Either the bullets penetrate or mission kill the thing.

Duh

>scares enemy

More like makes them laugh their asses off while their artillery pounds the damn thing to scrap.

Why wouldnt you put that on a tank though?

You will.

umm because tanks are real

O rly?

>tank hides itself in tall grass
>marine approaches
>tank sees marine with IR
>fires napalm/nervegas at marine
>dead marine

Pfff. Says you.

>slow as fuck
>enemies can easily open the hatch
You comparing ww2 era tanks to mech again, user?

Imagine you suddenly loses communication with your squad, only to realize their tanks have been gunned down, you're there in the middle of the battlefield, riding your tank, when suddenly pic related appears infront of you while crushing one of the tanks your comrades rode in.

You could easily say that about the marine though. In the end marine has better situational awareness and is more mobile in general.

>>can carry a sword
That's the silliest bit actually.
Swords are useless against tanks/mecha.

A flying witch is better than the entire Germanian army, which is made of tanks and bombers and warships and fighter aircraft.
Magic >>>> Machines.
Mecha is magic, therefore mecha >>>> machines.

Man, I am good at this argumentation game.

Would you still be if the robot was covered with anime waifu looking realdoll?

>Swords are useless against tanks/mecha.
Not when the sword vibrates at high frequency.

Vibration is actually bad for a swords cutting ability.

Mecha try to pretend they're not magic though.
Which makes them hypocritical, and therefor worse than both pure machines or pure magic.

Open the hatch and slice it up obviously.

You could take all the great mech tech and put it on a tank.

>anti-anti-tank protection system
>sophisticated guided missiles and targeting systems
>enough automation to keep all the systems running with only 1-2 people on board
Paste that shit right on a tank, no explanation necessary.
>energy source capable of keeping a mech running for hours
Tank now runs for as long as the crew has food, without the mess a tank engine makes
>actuators that move a giant mech's limbs
>propulsion system capable of making a mech fly in a controlled manner for minutes or more
You could make a tank fucking hop in the air like a flea and fly strafing runs through the streets of a city

Compared to a mech, a souped-up tank would be smaller target (harder to spot and harder to hit with the weapons that do get through) and would probably be cheaper to run and maintain without giving up survivability and firepower.

I can only see mechs being really useful as engineering vehicles. Otherwise, tanks (or short-legged spider tanks at most) are the way to go.

They're techno-magic.

Not really.

>imagine user sitting there in his giant robo on the battlefield
>angsty autist with daddy issues
>he hears a noise in the distance
>BRRRTT
>WOOOSH
Tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.

5-7 meters mechs will be useful because of high agility. They can support tanks from being BTFO by enemy mechs in close distance.

The problem with tanks is that they're short and stubby. There's nothing much you can add to it. Also assuming mech level tech threads is cripple tier mobility, and if you're gonna make it fly may as well develop an armoured VTOL which can actually aim their guns at the ground.

Yes, really.
Cutting is about drawing the edge of the blade along the thing you want to cut.
Vibration would get in the way of that.
Traditionally, people wanted their swords to be as stiff as possible, except they also had to make them thin (so they would pass through the target more easily) and also light (so the blade could be moved faster).
Look at the katana though. It's an excellent cutting sword, and it's way too stiff to vibrate notably.