Ayn Rand

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The Anathema.

She was built for genetically superior BBC

She's actually red-pilled as fuck if you listen to her. The only thing she isn't red-pilled on is the JQ. I think she receives far more hate then she deserves since she makes some very good points about why to support capitalism.

She's pretty solid. Most don't realize that most of her ideas are a modern interpretation of Aristotle.

If you want to get into her, try reading Anthem and then The Fountainhead. avoid Atlas Shrugged unless you really fucking love the first two. It's a bit too long and drones on too much.

Try to be more pretentious, I bet you can't.

married to a gay, cuck, or gay cuck.

Cucked her husband, got reverse cucked by lover. Shut down her organization because she got jealous.

> career woman
> cuck or gay husband
> died childless

Feel free to start arguing any time.

Libertarianism is the ultimate degeneracy.
>Make everyone poor
>Make everyone degenerate too
>Nothing matters as long as you have the power to do it
Almost as bad if not worse than Marxism.

Now explain why having a wrong orientation on her personal life has anything to do with her principals.

Book stories =/= philosophy

>everyone poor
>everyone degenerate
>nothing matters

Libertarianism promotes none of these concepts.

kys faggot

She refered to commies as 'the destroyers' multiple times. She was great and fled the red peril.

kike bitch

she knew what the fuck she was talking about

She also argued that niggers and shit-skins are savages that deserve to have their land taken away by white Europeans. Like I said, on everything but the JQ she was red-pilled as fuck.

Who gives a fuck about some cherrypicked quotes when the overwhelming majority of libertarians are druggies and other "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" hedonists?

Or is that "not real" Libertatianism?

Jewish welfare queen.

Crusty old Jew

She was Jewish herself you dumb stormfag.

Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead would have been 1/12 the length had a man wrote it.

one of the good jews

What's her real name? Rosenbaum?
Sexually depraved like most Jews.
Her "philosophy" used to justify the most callous, self-centered, anti-social, irresponsible behaviour and call it "virtue".
Childless herself and no room for children in her "heroic" society.
I can't believe I once fell for that crap.
Also sanctions the kind of rapacious globalism that has destroyed us. Her protege Greenspan managed to take the capital out of capitalism enabling shady jewboys to do a LBO on every asset anywhere so the goy get to pay usury to breathe.

This

Hoppean Libertarianism is the way to go. It's really a perfect mix of fascism and libertarian. This is the only way the fascist and libertarians can win against a more united left, so fuck off with your divide and conquer bullshit.

>Alissa Rosenbaum

She used medicare near the end of her life

JEW JEW JEW JEW JEW!!!!!

>jew

Yes I know... I actually like many Jews unlike some on here. I just mentioned the JQ for stormfags on here. Soros and the kikes pushing leftist bullshit like him get the oven though.

collectivism: the post

>I've never read anything beyond cliffnotes, the post

kinda does tho, not intentionally but it is a huge part of liberaterian society that these thing can exist if they want to.

Basically a no boundaries society, so long as it doesnt directly "tread on me".
Promotes the idea of everyone trying to finacially one up each other, which invetably creates class warfare and poverty.

and finally nothing matters, they have no sense of greater goal or higher being, its all about the individual and how much he/she can get or do in their life.

>greater goal
cool, so you want gulags? because that's how you got gulags. just have some greater good and you can justify anything in the name of it.

But Hoppean liberatarinism isnt the liberaterianism that is being preached. Most libs preach this labe as fuck hippie conserative bs.

How bout you go make more convincing arguments and actually sway people to hear you out rather than taking your 3 quotes and telling everyone else to kill themselves.

>the overwhelming majority of libertarians are druggies and other "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" hedonists?
Most libertarians just think those things should be legal. I don't know of any libertarian thinkers that are druggies or hedonists. Just because you think something should be legal, doesn't automatically mean you think people should do that thing. A simple distinction obviously lost on you...

www.alternet.org/story/145819/ayn_rand%2C_hugely_popular_author_and_inspiration_to_right-wing_leaders%2C_was_a_big_admirer_of_serial_killer

I read about how she cheated on her husband with some other guy, then with the guy cheated on her, first kicked him out of her cult then tried to utterly ruin him and his family with a crazy evil campaign. She also wrote letters to her friends I read through where she encouraged them to come to the US and leech off its welfare programs while trying to take them from everyone else. Basically she's a special snowflake so she shouldn't be held to the same moral standards as everyone else also her friends and her should be paid for and subsized by opthers despite being fucking liberal arts majors, artists, and "writers" with zero productive skills, however other with actual useful skills should work and starve for them,. It's sad that she is the basis of the current anti-intellectual degenerate GOP. Hypocritical people support a literal cuck-er and cuck who tried to destroy men who displeased her and had no markable skills and was a hypocrite herself if she says something they like.

>why do you care if useless people are poor
>why do you care if some low-lifes are degenerate
This is exactly why someone like Rand is important. To give everyone the philosophy behind libertarianism and prevent it from devolving into a leftist degenerate hell.

She was born ahead of her time. She'd be showering in beta bux in modern times and selling novels to her beta orbiters though her youtube channel.

They might teach classes about her influence on men in women's studies She has seduced generations of men.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivist_movement

>The movement began informally in the 1950s and consisted of students who were brought together by their mutual interest in Rand's novel, The Fountainhead. The group, ironically named "the Collective" due to their actual advocacy of individualism, in part consisted of Nathaniel Branden, Barbara Branden, Alan Greenspan, Leonard Peikoff, and Murray Rothbard. Nathaniel Branden, a young Canadian student who had been greatly inspired by Rand's work, became a close confidant and encouraged Rand to expand her philosophy into a formal movement. From this informal beginning in Rand's living room, the movement expanded into a collection of think tanks, academic organizations, magazines, and journals.

>The Collective originally started out as an informal gathering of friends (many of them related to one another) who met with Rand on weekends at her apartment on East 36th Street in New York City to discuss philosophy.[3] Barbara Branden said the group met "because of a common interest in ideas".[4] Greenspan recalled being drawn to Rand because of a shared belief in "the importance of mathematics and intellectual rigor".[5] The group met at Rand's apartment at least once a week, and would often discuss and debate into the early morning hours.


Her movement was started by beta orbiter fanboys obsessed with her novels.

Ayn hated Libertarians and said so often faggot.

Kike Daughter of Bolshevists who after murdering 10 of millions and enslaving even more white Christians fled Stalin's purges.
Herself continuing in her parents bloody Kike supremacist ways developed a LARP political system to subvert and demoralize the West.

>Her movement was started by beta orbiter fanboys obsessed with her novels.

This basically.

She was a degenerate hedonist scam artist who said what her beta orbiters wanted to hear and fucked them over if they didn't obey her every whim. If she was hotter she probably wouldn't have had to happily live off government welfare in her later days.

>Your beliefs should naturally be oriented towards creating the best possible version of yourself
>What helps you helps others
>If you permit people to do wrong you're hurting them
It's either relativism or cognitive dissonance.

>Capitalism is essentially a system of mass production for the satisfaction of the needs of the masses. It pours a horn of plenty upon the common man. It has raised the average standard of living to a height never dreamed of in earlier ages. It has made accessible to millions of people enjoyments which a few generations ago were only within the reach of a small elite.
Mises

Worst e-celeb

Her admiration of that psychopathic killer in the link above is sickening.

>one group of people once did bad things with good intentions so now anyone with good intentions is actually evil.

You fucks are the worst, your whole argument is "there is a chance things could get ugly so we should give up entirely".

What are you justifying? you basically want to throw away any and all social bounderies in replacment for "muh freedoms". Yet you fail to realise that freedom isnt inherintly good, if you want absolute freedom then you've already got it, you can go out and do what ever you want right now, what you really want is to do what ever you want without ever paying the social repercusion.

Jean-Paul Sartre BTFO Ayn Rand

are you asking me why would I care if my countrymen were poor and degenerate?

>developed a LARP political system to subvert and demoralize the West.
Why do that when Communism and Socialism already exist? Libertarianism and Objectivism are the polar opposite of those ideologies.

She loved "bad boys" and cheating and getting fucked by Chads instead of her husband. Fit her philosophy which was sometimes just "if I can screw over and con men I should." Good for her I guess.

atlas shrugged is pretty good but kinda long

>Drugs are degenerate, ban them.
>Prostitution is degenerate, ban it.
>Gambling is degenerate, ban it.
>Alcohol is degenerate, ban it.
>Video games are degenerate, ban them.
>Television is degenerate, ban it.
>Movies are degenerate, ban them.
>Fiction books are degenerate, ban them.
>Sugar is degenerate, ban it.
>Smoking is degenerate, ban it.
>Not exercising is degenerate, ban it.
>Sup Forums is degenerate, ban it.
>Music is degenerate, ban it.

>implying that it is not your duty as a good libertarian to help collapse the system

Here's the fucking "secret" they're all shit and the same thing, they benefit their fucking cult leaders on the backs of the retarded and most gullible faggots like most dogmatic "ideologies." They are about getting human waste you have no respect for to buy into the shit you're selling and leech off of them. Retards are the fuel for scam artists, cultists, demogogues, and tyrants no matter what stupid shit label they slap onto themselves. Halfway intelligent people just do what actually works in each situation instead of this bullshit.

I just finished Atlas Shrugged today, I liked it it was alright. Going to start fountainhead soon.

>Music is your right
>Movies are your right
>Beer is your right
>Birth control is your right
>Rape is your right (if she didn't want it she should've worked out enough to stop you)

If the government wants to give money to one of their enemies, that's their mistake. This also applies to all libertarians who question whether they should take government money.

Why are there so many goddamn Americans in here? Inb4 u2 fgt.

mmmm muh materialism.
Dont get me wrong i like a certain level of capatalism, but not to the extent that we have now, or to liberatarian standards.

Everyone just becomes a fucking greased up cashbag, a consumer. So much so that people would rather become another faceless mass of drugs and maccas than to struggle for something worth fighting for.

What good is a greater standard of living if we arent living for something greater?

Also murdering the rich and taking all their stuff for yourself is actually your right according to Objectivism. If you want it it's what is best for everyone including those your kill. Otherwise people who steal from and shoot you wouldn't do it if it wasn't what was best for everyone. Also why her campaign to ruin a man because he wouldn't fuck her was for the good of everyone and fuck him.

Nothing about libertarianism prevents you from seeking something greater. That some people don't is their problem.

She cam here and sucked off a bunch of rich guys by telling them they were special snowflakes and "morals" were for douchebags losers, no really. She started a cult that shaped the majority of people in the American government who used her ideas to excuse lying a cheating because their waifu said it was good and shit to fuck over your countrymen and believing in anything was for chumps. That's pretty much the American mindset, lie cheat and steal is good. I actually used to be an Ayn Rand fanboy too because it's what I wanted to hear, then I read about her actual life and actions and writings and was fucking disgusted.

You dont have to ban everything, some shit yes definatly, like drugs which do very serious damage even in the short term.

Other substances like sugar and alchahol can simply be limited, just stop puttig fucking sugar in evething and scale it down. Same with alchahol, you can limit how much someone drinks in one night or how much to buy in one go, how much you can have in the house at one time etc.

Or We could actually educate people on the values and beliefs of national socialism, help them find the path for themselves.

You act like its impossible to get people off this shit without banning it, but here i am and there are literally tens of thousands if not hundreds globally all who have given this shit up cause we know its bad for us.

"that some people dont is their problem"
Thats where your fucking wrong kiddo, its everyones problem.

Our goal is to create a more unified and natural society, you cant do that if half the fucking members of society are drugging themselves up and dwelling in nihilsm.

People dont get to choose whether you are apart of society, you already are. Just because you say "fuck society" doesnt actually mean you are opting out, it just means you are throwing away all social expectations and boundaries because you're too fucking weak or lazy to live up to it.

>Music is your right
Private property rights are the foundation of civilization. Government exists to protect them.
>Movies are you right.
Private property rights are the foundation of civilization. Government exists to protect them.
>Beer is your right.
Private property rights are the foundation of civilization. Government exists to protect them.
>Birth control is your right
Private property rights are the foundation of civilization. Government exists to protect them.
>Rape is your right (if she didn't want it she should've worked out enough to stop you)
Rape is a crime for obvious reasons. Find me a libertarian that says rape should be legal.
>That pic.
Whomever owns the property can decide if they want to allow public masturbation. Most will not because it makes customers uncomfortable. Not even porno theaters let their customers masturbate (for the most part). For sidewalks and roads, the government is the owner and therefore should decide what is allowed in public.

>Thats where your fucking wrong kiddo, its everyones problem.
Nope. Superior values will always rise to the top. I am literally not affected at all by some trannies that are buttfucking a hundred miles away. People will organize voluntarily into like-minded groups as they always have. The difference is that the groups won't be trying to use the government to force their own version of morality on each other, which is the sole driver of societal discord.

Atlas Shrugged = "Hate fucking on trains"

I remember my an-cap days. Oh my. Why'd you have to remind me?

You suck at reading comprehension

>That feel when reality starts to kick in
>That feel when you stop being an atheist
>That feel when you find out who you are
>That feel when you realize the world is more complex than how an-caps and lolbertarians paint it
>That feel when you realize Ayn Rand is a degenerate whore
Actually a pretty good feel. Growing up is great.

My best friend is literally her reincarnation.

>I am literally not affected at all by some trannies that are buttfucking a hundred miles away
that's not how the CDC looks at disease control. you literally are effected by them. Risky behaviour by one subpopulation actually does have an effect on other populations.

crazy bitch