Automation

Government tax cut job creation fairy doesn't exist. Automation WILL unemploy tens of millions of people in the next decade, and prices will not go down due to artificial scarcity. What do?

I remember hearing that a decade ago. I'm amazed that it still hasn't happened yet. I expect to hear it again in ten years, and then ten years after that.

Fuck bitches, get money.

>Fuck bitches, get money.

>he thinks his job will still exist 10 years from now

Technology will not be the same as the last decade. A decoupling between productivity and employment has already started to greatly widen.

>each year software gets worse and more bloated from all the pajeets and women taking over tech
>automation is gonna take all yer jerbs!

Not worried about it all all tbqh

Umm yeah i dont pick vegetables or work on an assembly line

Make almost every job automated. Make a new payment system that benefits the people.

How

great thread

Why don't you become Amish you sack of shit

Same answer as allways
REMOVE MIGRANTS

May god help you if you give him a patty without pickles.

>see mobile phone 10 years ago
>see mobile phone 20 years ago
k.
btw, they already plan on removing engies too since, despite what you might believe, their shit could be automated too (albeit it's much more complicated to do, ofc)

Automation is a pleb tier meme. Man finds something to do. Struggle will always be. Scarcity will always be. Get ready fer the fight of yer life laddie.

((ssshhhh don't tell anyone but that's called socialism))

If that's a "I get free shit", it's not gonna work (like you).

we are already creating wealth at astounding rates and it's all being redistributed away from the workers. it's all just a test balloon to see how little they can give us when automation takes over entirely.

we've been automating since we started using mules to plow

>science is bad
>fire is scary
>thomas edison was a witch
Get outta here, you luddite. Technological advances always improve quality of life, even for the unemployed; there's no point in having a person do work a machine can do. if you're not smarter than a machine, what makes you think you deserve a job?

ill be one of the people making money off the automation explosion, unlike retarded unemployed faggots like you. kys and everyone else you know whos a brainfucked commie

People will find something to do, but paid labor won't make sense. Scarcity for basic necessities is minuscule now and won't exist with advanced automation, prices are intentionally kept up with artificial scarcity (intellectual property, protectionism). Both of these problems have to be resolved.

I think technology is good but the current economic system cannot properly deal with the changes it will bring to how wealth is generated.

And it's almost like every time we reduce the workforce needed to produce necessities, quality of life goes up and we have more brains freed up to think of further advances.

Implying that all "progress" is good is just as shitty as the shit spewed by idiots that want to LARP cave-dwellers.
The mindset of "we'll figure it out once we get there" is also how we got the former 2 generations offload their burden on our asses.

lol @ me unemployed. i work in advertising and have a job automation can never take over, faggot. how exactly are you going to "make money off the automation explosion"? you own a lot of robots, do you?

Automation won't take over shit. AI and robotics isn't even close to replacing people in some of the most menial tasks. You think the workforce is going to be replaced when the lowest bidder pajeet company is in charge of coding it? Bullshit. By the time this starts to actually impact people 200 years from now, some savant kid will program an advanced ai, release it into the wild, causing the singularity and then we'll all be fucked. There won't be any of this half in half out millions starving nonsense. We'll be fine until we're all fucked together.

tons of time and no money, property or resources to use to create capital for yourself once the labor you can sell is unnecessary

>Works in advertising
>Probably had an English degree

I can see why you're an ancom. You should be grateful to the capitalists for letting you suckle off the wealth they created. I'll be happy to see you and the rest of your kind die off when robots replace you.

we have 10-15 years until one of the biggest job providers in the united states, trucking, is almost entirely automated.

i sure as shit do have an english degree. and i do pretty well for myself. not sure how that's an own on me.

>implying quality of life isn't better now that it was 2 generations ago
no, all the problems we're facing now are the results of premature fixes without regard to consequences; see also: social security, medicare, every other socialist ponzi scheme. Automation isn't the problem, people thinking they have the right to the fruits of others' labors is.

I work in tech, we are not as almighty as you think we are. This shit will never really succeed. It will always be easier to get some poor human to do something simple than build a good damn robot.

If this is the case that means in 10-15 years we can play Deus Ex IRL I see no downside to this

Well atleast im good at CAD and using fdm printers. I will find some job.

For now il be living of welfare untill it gets crowded.

lol @ capitalists creating wealth. because they "take the chance to invest"? come the fuck on. labor creates wealth, because that's how things are created.

You have no idea how fucking bad it is. Those big companies are putting out fires left and fucking right. Most competent white software runs without a hitch.

Again, what makes you think you deserve any of those things if you're willing to coast along on the bare minimum of effort to survive now? Get an education. Learn a trade. Go into business for yourself. Invest. Do just a little bit more to get that money, property, etc. that you're so panicked about not having in the future but thus far are unwilling to work for NOW. The future belongs to the bold, and it's impossible to legislate that away.

>english degree
well that explains everything.

>i work in advertising
Jerry?

that's patently false. look at the state of production in something like an auto factory. they've blasted a hole in production teams because of the introduction of automation. even soft industries like banks are moving to entirely digital platforms and shuttering branches.

Not if the poor keep voting their jobs away through minimum wage hikes, higher taxes, etc. I'm a software developer too, a lot of the automation we do is just reducing the manpower needed for clerical work.

Meanwhile most of the parts being used in constructing the car are made by Spics in Mexico and some poor chinese fucker giving himself cancer in ganzhou.

How much DO they pay sign-spinners these days? I don't see much in the cold season.

>lol @ capitalists creating wealth.
Technically, they do so by innovation, which allows things to be produced significantly cheaper. Thus, allowing people to retain more money.

Wealth created.

the reason i'm up at 2am is because i'm still working on stuff for my job. i put in a lot more than the "bare minimum."

got an education too, paid out of my own pocket. now paying for my wife's education out of pocket. i'm not panicked about my future at all—i'm pretty well set. i'm worried about the futures of the rest of the people that live in my building and the hole it's going to blow in our economy.

In the US yes, but not everywhere else. No one ever mentions that automation eventually breaks and you need someone the fix it,

Robo-communism?

>high taxes and minimum wage kills jobs
What's your level of economics education?

Libertarians are going to be hilariously outdated in 20 years.

>labor creates wealth
and how this labor is able to do so?
(as in: where does the ressources fronted to make such a thing possible come from, and why shouldn't such a risk be compensated)
Ancaps are wrong on some things, but you cunts are far, FAR worse.
Also, how do you even go about redistributing shit without a state?
fucking anarcho/socialo/communo/my ass.
You tards are to politics what trigendered neutrois dragonkins are to genders.

i understand where you're coming from with killing the clerical work. i am not against innovation in the slightest. i think getting rid of pointless jobs is a great way to get people into useful jobs that need doing. there is a shit ton of labor to be done around here, but no one is willing to invest in it because it isn't profitable.

Because wages are set artificially high.

If it needed to be done, people would pay for it to be done.

IQ barrier, motherfucker. Any job that can be done by a machine will disappear. Any job too complex will only be available to the top 20% IQ population. Everyone else will revolt until we have socialism.

Meanwhile, the average American worker can achieve what the smartest people in 1750 could only dream of. Thats why we make tools.

our wages aren't set artificially high—they're just higher than the underdeveloped world, which we exploit for cheap labor. you can't have high cost of living and low wages, unless you use a UBI to offset the cost.

If no one is willing to pay someone to do the labor for a certain price then the price is too high. This is why you see machines do the final assembly work in the US and this post

yeah, someone needs to front resources. but the inequality of resources is exactly why the free market system is broken. the cost of investment is too high for many if not most people going into any established industry. it's not like Uncle Greg can just open his own oil company if he thinks that Sunoco's practices are fucked up or Exxon is too expensive.

My job is literally to automate most of my job.
But someone still needs to implement that automization, and maintain the systems.

Granted, the number of positions for this will decrease hugely, but the number of companies sprouting up needing said automization increase as well, causing a current overdemand for qualified people, but in the near future it will be more of a rotation.(going from company to company)
Until even my job becomes redundant and we all die in communist (((heaven)))

sure, in theory. but in practice, how do you reconcile that inflated labor price with the cost of living in the united states? you think costs of things are just going to drop? credit is just going to create a bubble and burst like a cheap condom and fuck us all over.

also, this is the closest flag i can get. there is a dearth of flags. we should update the flags.

He can if he has the right backing. If uncle Greg is a petrol engineer and figured a new refining method, he could get funding.

i've been doing that a lot as well in my job. however, my automation (building production-ready templates for digital ads) has actually increased production and resulted in new people being hired under me so they can take over some of the work i was wasting my time on and do other more useful things. innovation rules. automation can make things better. but it's insane to think this isn't going to explode because a lot of the country is already in an under-employed depression right now, and it's only going to keep hurting those same people whose skills aren't as flexible as some.

>He thinks it will only be tens of millions

Market got flooded with women. It will stabilize at some point, and then wages will be climbing back up again.

A lot of manufacturing went off-shore, but the standard of living & expected wages are raising fast in China, again this will improve the situation in USA.

The cost of living has been falling since we open our markets to the world. If it became unprofitable to manufacture elsewhere then jobs would come flooding back. I'm just simply stating that the labor that isn't been done is not being done because the labor prices for it are too high. For example to do some simple power wiring in NYC will cost 13k for an electrician. To the same job in rural America its $500 or so.

i guess my uncle greg just isn't as well connected as your uncle greg. i sure as shit don't know a single person in my world that would be able to "back" a new oil company.

buy bitcoin and retire is the only answer

I do, probably know several that probably will in the future.

my question always with this line of thinking is "why wait until it is fucking horrible?" i think that libertarianism as a whole is so fatalistic and sad. you could use policy to improve lives instead of racing to the bottom to try and somehow balance the market. that just seems totally insane to me when we create a gargantuan amount of wealth here.

good on you, i guess. but you have to realize that that just isn't the case for the vast majority of people in america.

That is what I believe trump is doing. Rather than blatantly getting BTFO hes working to get capital to flow back to the US.

>ENGINEERS WILL B AUTUMATES!!!
t. castrated good for nothing liberal arts bbc prepping with an underwater basket weaving PhD

Engineering is a liberal art. Are you mad because your dumb system priced you out of college to begin with?