Does Yuri on Ice actually have anything to say about homosexuals by featuring a gay couple or is it just banking on...

Does Yuri on Ice actually have anything to say about homosexuals by featuring a gay couple or is it just banking on Bishounen fanservice for Yaoi lovers?

The show could still exist and function if the leads were straight.

Why does the show beat around the bush when it comes to taking the gay pairings seriously?

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>by featuring a gay couple
They're not even fucking gay, they kiss because "Hurr durr Russians so eccentric!" and the rings are just a gift and are played up as engagement rings for "Misunderstandings!" comedy. There's nothing canonically homosexual about them aside from being figure skaters, the show just uses it as yaoibait and fujoshits and tumblrwhales eat it up.

Do people need a motive or a function to be gay?

Nice b8 m8 I r8 8/8

Now seriously, how does it feel to have your anus this scretched by fujos not only a whole season but also after a month later the show ended? Sounds like you are quite an expert at being a literal faggot.

>gay couple
More like heavy ambiguous fujobait just like any other fujoshit anime.

There are stories about actual gay couples, like Kinou Nani Tabeta, or stories about actual gay people like Otouto no Otto. YoI is just fanservice.

Are you so insecure you assume people telling you the truth are somehow deeply affected by a cartoon show for undesirables?

>i never actually watched the show

And you were clearly watching with your homo goggles on too tightly. Please cite where they're canonically confirmed as homosexuals when Yuri starts out about to confess that he loved a girl before she got married and knocked up and almost every slightly homosexual thing in the show is played up for laughs. Also, learn what the function of greentext is for before posting.

>i never actually watched the show
We know, user. Anyone who watched the show knows that user is right. Victor literally says that he kissed Yuri to surprise him, and the rings were good-luck charms. Anyone who thinks the characters were dating behind the scenes but the show never showed it for reasons is braindead.

Was the ending on ep 9 played for laughs?
>Yuri starts out about to confess that he loved a girl
Debunked, his feelings for Yuuko are akogare, admiration. It's used for Minami toward Yuuri and China toward Phichit as well.
Besides, even if were the case, it's not he can't be bisexual.
You didn't watch it, kek. Victor wasn't the one who said the latter. His line after the kiss doesn't/didn't make it less romantic. He also didn't say that about the rings, he was the one who called them engagement rings. You're really blatant.

>He also didn't say that about the rings
And I never said he said that. Two different sentences, dudes.
> His line after the kiss doesn't/didn't make it less romantic.
That's your interpretation (fujo goggles).

Saying I'm using fujo goggles for fucking YoI is retarded. It's in your face.

Just fuck off because telling me you watched it isn't proof. You show me you didn't understand any of that in context, nor did you pay attention to any of their many other scenes which were played quite seriously. It's enough to not take you seriously.

Did you miss the previous episode? And Victor affirming that he did want to be with him for as long as possible?

>people who disagree with my interpretation didn't understand the show!
Jesus, please stop. This is why everyone hates fujoshit

>And Victor affirming that he did want to be with him for as long as possible?
Have you ever heard about life lasting friendships? Platonic relationships? Yeah probably not.

>Have you ever heard about life lasting friendships? Platonic relationships? Yeah probably not.
He kissed Yuuri's ringer finger and told him it was like a marriage proposal.

Nips aren't confused about their relationship because the way that Yuuri speaks toward Victor is quite romantically coded.

There's also nothing "platonic" about basing a routine on sexual love after another person and saying they should do it while seducing you.
This all after the banquet twist - so Victor came to Japan to coach Yuuri to get close to him after he literally poledanced and humped on him.

fag here.
YOI is good for gays because it presents two male characters who are likable and relatable who just eventually fall in love with each other, which happens irl between 2 gay dudes who love each other.
Too often when there's a gay pairing the characters are presented FIRST as being homos (appearance, mannerisms) so it can really turn off people. But the show does the opposite. So even if you're straight you can still enjoy the main pairing because the characters were written to be relatable and likeable.
Aside from the short onsen fanservice scenes in the first few eps the whole "naked gay dudes" thing isn't thrown in the viewer's face too so it allows for a larger audience instead of just fujos.
TL;DR Pretty much the show makes the gay main pairing be shown like "hey this love story between 2 guys is a like a love story between a guy and girl, except this time it's 2 dudes". Which is good for gay people because it shows straight people that gays are very much like them aside from the fact that they like the same sex.

>Was the ending on ep 9 played for laughs?
>Be my coach until I retire!
>It's almost like a marriage proposal. I wish you'd never retire..
Wow, it's fucking nothing. More yaoibait to milk those fujobucks. "I wish I could always be your coach!" is basically what that amounts to, if they were gay lovers who the fuck cares if he's his coach or not, that wouldn't stop them from being together. Nothing in that implies a homosexual relationship. I wouldn't even give a shit if they were gay, I've probably sucked more dicks than you've ever seen in person, but this is clearly just yaoib8 for fujoshits. If you want a real homosexual couple, go watch an anime that isn't just pandering garbage. Take out the yaoibait and you have a sub-par sports series that had a promising first episode that went to shit about the 5th time we had to watch a giraffe perform to the same song with the same exact animation.

Building on >Have you ever heard about life lasting friendships? Platonic relationships? Yeah probably not.

Yes, I have, and there's good examples of it in the anime itself - Phichit and Yuuri, Chris and Victor. Those are obviously strong, comfortable long-lasting friendships that look quite different to what Yuuri and Victor have.

I'm talking about the original Japanese. There's a reason Victor responds that way and CR subs a shit. If you couldn't understand how that airport scene was romantic you're quite retarded.
>yaoib8 for fujoshits
You don't understand shit or even what bait means.

You're right, you are a fag. Lurk more before posting, faggot, you reek of tumblr.

>MUH YAOIBAIT
The story shows that Yuuri is very confused with how he feels towards Victor. He believes that Victor likes him as a skating student more so than as a lover so Yuuri keeps doing things for Victor thinking more about the skating than love since he's confused with his feelings. Also he holds Victor's happiness as a skater higher than the idea that Victor loves him romantically.
Victor on the other hand is shown to flat out love Yuuri romantically. After the first few episodes he realizes that Yuuri doesn't see him that way, that he sees him as a coach more so than as a potential lover, and he also sees that Yuuri is confused with his feelings towards him. So naturally Victor plays along since he doesn't want to force the idea of love onto Yuuri.
Kubo and the nips already know that Yuuri and Victor love each other, but haven't come to terms with their relationship yet. So no, they aren't a couple since they aren't sharing the same mindset, but hopefully they'll talk about it and come into terms about each others' feelings.

Nice fancfiction, there's absolutely nothing concrete in this show that supports any of your interpretation.

Maybe you should watch the show first.

Unfortunately, I did watch all of that eyesore. Maybe you should have spent more time actually looking at what was in the show instead of masturbating to your headcanon.

I'm pretty sure Yuuri realizes his feelings at this point, after getting the rings and blushing all over about it, he was understandably confused in the beginning only because he didn't know what Victor did (the banquet) and why he was coming onto him so strongly. They're both inexperienced with love but Yuuri just needs more confidence.

Then you missed the whole gist of Yuuri and Victor's relationship. Go rewatch the show. It isn't that difficult to understand.

You couldn't respond to shit so rewatch it with your eyes not closed this time. Sorry you need everything spoonfed.

So what's the supposed reason why Victor responds that way?

I like how you act like somehow all their relationship development was all fanservice instead of being something solidly integrated into the narrative.

>make a world free of discrimation
>people still confined to typical anime writing because why not
t-they're good luck rings! we're not getting married, etc. it might not be yaoibait but it's sequelbait. wouldn't expect anything less than Watanabe's abortion

The gist is "We need to make them seem gay without actually making them gay to milk them fujobucks". There's nothing about this shit that isn't in every other sort of fujoshit pandering garbage in the last 10 years. You could literally say the exact same shit about every "Are they, aren't they!?" fujoshit scenario ever written, want to take a jab at how many are legitimately gay outside of doujinshi or porn? It's the same with yurishit, the Japanese don't have much respect for actual homos and think it's just a phase people go through and will grow out of, if they don't then they're shunned and looked down upon by society.

I think you're right. Yuuri knows that he loves Victor, but he thinks that Victor sees him as a skating student more so than as a lover. I don't think he even knows about Victor's feelings towards him. But also he values Victor's happiness for skating more. He knows that he risks taking Victor away from his huge skating career if they get together.
That's the reason why he says "be my coach until I retire" at the airport and bought the rings as lucky charms because it's like "I love you, but I don't want to keep you from continuing to skate."
Victor on the other hand thinks he can still skate while being with Yuuri.

...

>responding to obvious bait
When will you learn? Everyone who actually watched the show knows what happened.

If you don't see how it's different from a typical fujobait show you're retarded. They don't go so far as having two leads kiss or do much of anything they do. Their relationship is a huge driving force of the plot, and they grow as a result of each other's influence. Yuuri opens up to Victor, becomes more comfortable with intimacy when he used to push everyone else away. Yuuri gives Victor inspiration, helps him realize life and love. It's mutual and their interactions are very loving. It's not just "bishie boys get a few ship-teasy scenes" and that's fucking it.

Even the writer describes it as something that came organically since the characters evolved.

And that mindset about gays in Japan is changing gradually.

Can't respond to what's not there, you could spout off about how this is a metaphor for WWII for all I give a fuck. That doesn't change the fact that nothing they said was actually in the show and was purely their interpretation of events.

Yeah, it has a lot to do with Yuuri's anxiety problem

He actually says, "take care of me until I retire". "Take care of me" is used as an actual proposal line for nips. They do not really propose directly, like "marry me". That isn't the only example, but yeah that's why the nips haven't gotten as confused about their intentions as westerners do/have.

>"Take care of me" is used as an actual proposal line for nips.
In the context of talking about staying with someone, I mean.
Then Victor kisses his ring finger and says that, so the meaning becomes more obvious.

No he doesn't say that at all in the airport scene in episode 9. Just rewatched the scene.

>They don't go so far as having two leads kiss or do much of anything they do. Their relationship is a huge driving force of the plot, and they grow as a result of each other's influence.
Sounds like Naruto. You're really not helping your point. They kiss, it's played for shock laughs. They give each other rings for good luck, people jump to conclusions and congratulate them for comedic effect and Yuuri tells them it's a misunderstanding. Yaoibait is yaoibait, unless they actually say they romantically love each other or explicitly say they're homosexual or have a moment that's genuinely romantic that isn't immediately taken back for humor, then it wouldn't just be bait. As it is, it's just there to get fujoshit excited and move product.

Reading OnO right now because of your post

So much bara fanservice, I'm sure the author does porn. But I'm enjoying it so far. Anything similiar?

Uh, could you read the thread? CR subbed it that way but that's still the line Yuuri says in Japanese. Subs sometimes don't capture naunce and they added the "coach" part even though he didn't actually say it.

And?

He denies that they're married (they're not), he doesn't deny what Victor says. "It's all for laughs" is a meme and you're still completely ignoring context. The kiss was foreshadowed, built up to, portrayed romantically through sound/visual direction. Don't be retarded.

So much this.

I'm so glad the two main characters aren't the flamboyant and feminine type of gay guys. Why is this so rare in fujo/yaoi shows?

He says "yuuri ga zutto iitai shinakucha ii noni na"
Which means "it would be nice if Yuuri doesn't retire for a long time."

What are you talking about? I'm still talking about the marriage proposal thing. You're talking about another line.

Oh okay so you're talking about what Yuuri says?
Yuuri says "iitai made Boku wo onegaishimasu"

Aka fujobait as it can be interpreted in context to not be a proposal

Not really because Victor points out that is like one and Yuuri doesn't deny it and smiles.

Nips knew and they're more versed in the naunce of the language.

They also don't think they're actually gay, that's completely a result of tumblrwhales and western audiences. Should tell you something.

Your delusion is gross.

Every time.

And now you're just pulling shit out of your ass. I should have expected from someone who'd call a large part of the plot as just "fanservice". Whatever, I don't know why I'm replying to a bait thread.
Nice projection.

>people are STILL arguing about a show they blatantly never watched

Mods kill this thread

My sides. You people are SO delusional and pathetic. Even gay skaters see the story as it should be.

And really, who cares about homophobic right wing a/ scum trying to relieve their massive butthurt?
Skating gay medalists are also laughing at you.

I bet the people who defend Yaoibait shows are the same ones who bash on yuri and harem shows

Aw, they're exchanging best friend rings!

I'm gay and had to stop watching Yuri on ice because of how gay it was.

>not being able to enjoy any genre show if it's good
It's still not bait and if this is all about personal butthurt like it sounds like then just fuck off and ignore it.

>tumblr
Yuri on Ice threads are cancer.

>who cares about homophobic right wing a/ scum
Fuck off back to tumblr, you very clearly don't belong here.

What are you even saying?

I'm pointing out that people who defend this show are probably the ones who hate yuribait/harem shows, and thus, are fucking hypocrites

I bet the people who call YoI yaoibait are the same ones were baited by Hibike and Flip floppers this season.

The thing is, this show was good. It's far from the greatest show ever but was a fresh take on how sports anime were presented due to how skating works. A lot of it was well executed and the relationship and characters (even side characters for one or two episodes) had a lot of depth and well done development and personalities. You could make definitely make Yuuri a girl and it would still be just the same. Not even dialogue apart from changing things to women's skating and how he's addressed would have to change.

They made the gay scenes ambiguous but far from unclear. It was most likely due to how being BL might have made it need censorship or wasn't allowed at that time slot/channel. It didn't stop them from getting the message across and infact it did something more anime need to do: They didn't baby you and just dump the plot. They built it up and made it more about the visuals than just exposition dumps of people saying "I love you". Which is much more like how the Japanese do things in general and makes it a more enjoyable experience over all.

Yaoi isn't fujobait because it's not bating anything, its just gay and I'm glad this wasn't fucking bait. I hate shows that bait yaoi and yuri because it's just leading things in with no pay off of an actual relationship. I'm tired of that shit. I want to see people grow and fall in love in a romance not bait so I can draw porn of two characters who are vaguely shown to possibly have feelings for each other.

No, those are Yuribait too, except at least those actually had redeeming qualities to them on their production where this had nothing. Even Free was better than this shit.

But I don't care about those. And I certainly don't care about shitposting about them when I haven't watched them.

Never watched them. Don't like them, Call them out on it too, not hypocritical

Stop repeating these retarded censorship and timeslot memes and go back to wherever you came from

Yeah it showed you the milestones of their relationship and it was really nice. I wasn't baited at all and that word is fucking meaningless. The producer said a lot of scenes, especially ep 10, didn't leave much room for other interpretations and said what KuboSayo probably didn't sit well with some people but it was great what they did, and if they wanted to do more he'll let them. So I'm thinking s2 will only build on this.

I think that, right now, (you) are the one that don't belong here.
Welcome to neo-Sup Forums, home of fujoshi.

Have people been saying it? time slot means a lot and if it wasn't in the middle of the night it sure as hell couldn't be as ballsy. Even if it was just a choice without any outside reasons it was a good choice. Anything to stop the stupid meme of constantly having to tell the reader/viewer what is happening.

>Posters: 22
Yeah, no. Fuck off, tumblrwhale.

You do realize that the majority of anime runs on late night timeslots? YoI isn't special and things like explicit gay kisses don't need to be censored.

I already said it doesn't matter anyway and after looking it up it was on around 1 AM or so. So it probably wasn't censorship but who knows since Japan is weird about stuff on tv. I mean, you can't even show vomit.

If it's in an explicitly romantic context in a non-BL anime, particularly a mainstream anime original, it's a bit of a gamble. Not all kisses are uncensored in anime to begin with.
The staff seem to act like they were taking a risk with the show so they could have been testing waters, anyway.

They are definitely weird about stuff in TV to the point of censorship, they talked about having to tone down Chris in order to air the scenes with him.

I hate gay people so fucking much.

Why are you guys still arguing this? Even if Yuuri and Victor get married on screen and have an explicit sex scene during their honeymoon onscreen while saying they're in love with each other someone will say that it's a russian intimidation technique.

I'm pretty sure Russian men don't do that with each other

Sometimes you just gotta laugh at other people's retardation.

Nothing more cancerous than tumblrtards spamming /lgbt/ shit on Sup Forums.

I watched this entire show yesterday.

Its not gay. We've seen this same shit dozens of times is other shows. The homosexuality is there for comedic effect.

>muh kiss
>muh rings

Russian men kissing other dudes on the lips is a media meme
>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_fraternal_kiss
Men in Russian don't really do it. It was a political thing from Soviet times. Russian men only kiss each other if they're close family or long time friend.

Its just Japan reviving a joke that the entire world used to make about Russians reeeee.

Nobody said they did, retard. Yuri is portrayed as some eccentric crazy foreigner, that's the joke. Just go back to masturbating to how definitely homosexual they are until the second season where you'll get more baiting, just like the faggots who thought Hibike was going to have a yuri end.

>anime
>not Sup Forums

Nope, you still didn't watch it. It's never explained away by him being Russian you retard. He offered to kiss him already before, and that was not just in some friendly context.

Are wedding rings a symbol of socialist friendship too?

What does this even mean? Yuri(o) didn't kiss anyone. In fact he shies away from contact and ran away from Yuuri's hug.

Fujos need to stop being delusional, they look like average Sup Forums straight guys, nothing homo about it.

I touch my bro like that all the time, fujos absolutely ruin every single male friendship ever.

I want to murder all gays.

It's just bait.

And he also acts like a prissy delinquent as opposed to a seemingly unaware, personal space shattering, no shame eccentric, what's your point?

>T-they're totally gay, guys, it's not just fujoshi pandering this time, I swear!

Poor Yurio, he was probably afraid Yuuri would hump him.

I'm agreeing with it, it's just friendships and they joke about marriage and love. Fucking fujos.

And I was asking yours.

>user's first fujobait anime
Awwww, how adorable.

>i don't know what that dance means!
Yuuri's the playboy who seduced and made Victor fall in love with him. You can't make this shit up.

I've seen that too and it's still not what Victor and Yuuri have done. Ep 10 confirms Victor was really trying to seduce Yuuri from the start, but again, you'd only know this if you watched it.

It's so sad that retards who supposedly are so in love with this show did not truly get a grasp on Victor's character. If you think he was serious, you completely missed the point.