Catholics don´t worship Ma

Catholics don´t worship Ma....

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>Ma...
Man?
Mary?
Matlock?

What about that makes you think they worship Mary? Because they have an image of her?

If you saw ancient Israel, you Protestants would be like, "The Israelites LITERALLY WORSHIP THE ARK OF THE COVENANT."

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Stop praying to dead people and angels.

that's some fine altar you have in there, user

>Stop praying to dead people
What did you mean by that? Do you believe in soul sleep?

Being inspired by God to create elaborate and intricate art doesn't mean you literally worship the piece.

>images of saints = worship

Praying to the patron saint of lost and found to help you find your lost car keys is not veneration, it's idolatry.

Praying to saints and Mary is an obvious sin, condemned by all of the Bible. It distracts you from the true Lord, who has supreme power and doesn't need any consultant. What do catholics think that the Lord will change His mind if someone goes to Him (somehow) and ask in our name to do something?

That is nice, art is great but you literally pray to Mary and other dead people. It´s not very Christian. You should just pray to God.

Better than worship nothing.

Or alcohol like you guys do up there Pekka.

What's wrong with being a christian but not believing in God?

That's a pretty good example of the red herring fallacy.
You said don't pray to "dead people," and I asked if you believed in soul sleep.
Do you think people who have died and gone to be with God are conscious?

They sure seem to be in Revelation 6:
When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. 10 They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.

But you think they're sleeping in a state of unawareness?

Does Hebrews 12 say we are surrounded by a cloud of corpses or a cloud of witnesses?

Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us

>Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant
>Cathedral of Saint Maria
>altar has Mary imagery on it
>this somehow means that Mary is worshipped

We Lutherans worship God as it was told in bible. No idoltary or heresy like with Catholics.

You can't be a Christian without believing in God

t. abdul

Am I a pleb for thinking that this is a gigantic eyesore?

Praying to Mary isn't necessarily the same kind of praying as praying to God. And why would God be upset at someone praying to the Mother of God? You protestants act like Mary should be shunned and ignored.

More based Catholic art.

"Prayer" to saints isn't worshipful adoration. Its in the meaning of the old English which means asking for a favor "I pray thee tell me". It's the same reason we ask other people to pray for us because the prayers of a just person is more powerful-James 5:16

It's like Jesus tore the veil for no reason. Disgraceful

you are idiot ,stop talking about things you have no idea

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Why is it always about car keys? I swear every time its car keys.

This is somehow too difficult for protestants to understand.

You're thinking of this as if it's only supposed to provide a backdrop for what's going on.
Really, the work itself is meant to be the center of attention.

Yes, the veil was torn, and now God's presence is with all of his people, dwelling in their hearts through his Holy Spirit.
I don't know what you think that has to do with my post, though.

Yeah, we worship Mary and the saints are basically a christian version of a pantheon. Deal with it protcuck. U mad because you can only talk to god while we get to have the saints be our special messangers?

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I can accept that there is something in or outside of our universe I don't understand which could be the cause of creation but I don't think he spoke to people to write the Bible
I still love Jesus even if he doesn't exist

worshiping imaginary characters and buying paintings and sculptures to show others how much they love their imaginary characters....sounds like Sup Forums

You can't love something that doesn't exist. Look into why you don't believe in God.

Nice try. If you are unrighteous and asking for the wrong thing, God won't answer even if all the Heavenly Beings pray for you. If you are asking for the right thing, ask for forgiveness with sincere heart, God will answer you in His way, you may not understand at first. There is no place for interference of other beings.

>I still love Jesus even if he doesn't exist

You fundamentally aren't Christian then.

so you burned all of your photos of the people in your family that died?

>I bet he collects anime figurines

>There is no place for interference of other beings.

2 Corinthians 1:11 You also must help us by prayer, so that many will give thanks on our behalf for the blessing granted us through the prayers of many.

Hebrews 13:18 Pray for us, for we are sure that we have a clear conscience, desiring to act honorably in all things.

Thessalonians 5:25 Brothers, pray for us.

that insane assumption that led to that moronic conclusion, people like you is what gave birth to dumbass religions, "virgin birth? must be god"

Why not? Whether or not his flesh exists the message of the stories is true and it was written by someone who wants the best for me
Because I read the Bible and I liked what Jesus did

If you believe the stories are true, you believe Jesus is the Son of God. Otherwise you don't believe the stories are true. What is keeping you from believing in God?

>the message of the stories
>is true

Are you familiar with the Jefferson Bible? It sounds like what you're saying more or less. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

can I get a rundown on lilith?
or at least give me some proper links to read about her?

>Hating best waifu
>Whether or not his flesh exists
Jesus was almost certainly a Historical Figure. The Christ Myth Theory is basically considered hogwash by Historians, even atheist ones.

>telling someone to conform the truth to his desire, rather than conforming his desire to the truth

Fucking Protestants

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Catholicism as well as all Christianity isn't actually monotheistic at all.
It has plenty of """deities""" so called """patrones""" like saints, mortyrs as well as mystic creatures like angels, archangels, seraphs.
Even """The God""" himself is actually three beings like spirit, Jesus and his father.

Its a another overgrown pagan cult wannabe THE ONE

You said, you keep pictures and people of the past, like they're idiots.

So if I follow your stupid rules, you should follow them too?

I didn't assume anything, you made a statement, atheist.

k, muhammad.

Literally from the catechism, which all the faithful is encouraged to read:

"Human life finds its unity in the adoration of the one God. " 2114

" There is only one God, and he is recognized as Father by those who, through faith in his only Son, are reborn of him by water and the Spirit" 2790

I never understood the closed mind of an atheist, they want answers, but are the most close minded people, if it doesn't fit their rules.

Yet someone can be born a woman in a mans body and vice verca and they don't blink twice, while they wear clown makeup.

lol it means, we should pray for others well-being, while WE ARE ALIVE. it is because we should show God that we appreciate the work of saints and we are thankful for it.

>lol it means, we should pray for others well-being, while WE ARE ALIVE.

So those who have died and gone to be with God are no longer conscious and capable of prayer?

pretty fucking sure you're talking about someone else. never said i kept any picture from anyone in the past. check ID moron

If you've got a link I'll read it
My high school religion teacher would always say theres more proof Jesus exists than Caesar but is that also proof that he is the Son of God?
I just find it hard to accept that I was born into the correct religion and everyone else throughout all of human history is wrong

don't worry, no one will keep a picture of you either

still with the crazy assumptions and conclusions, you're borderline crazy if you think what you're saying makes any sense.

I'm not condoning it, I'm just saying it exists.

so buttmad, why do you hate heaven so much? You hate being happy?

>still missing the point
also what makes you think that saint have some kind of link to us and hear our prayers? why should they? they could pray for us but it has not more value then the prayers of mere mortals here on earth when it comes to God's judgement

also prayers are answered only if they are parallel to God's Will. prayers are meant to help us build a relationship with God. to know Him. to praise Him. not to throw in some request and get what we desire.

There is proof in the historical record that Jesus existed. In addition, saints and martyrs are very real people who died for the faith or did great deeds. So he is just extended your logic to its conclusion i.e. everyone dead has never existed.
You're the crazy one here user.

You don't stop being part of the church just because you're dead. There's only one catholic church, on earth and in heaven. Asking an alive person to pray for you is no different to asking someone in heaven to pray for you.

God I fucking hate prots, they are on par with the fucking pagans.

>not worshiping our Moon Goddess.
What are you? A faggot or something?

>what makes you think that saint have some kind of link to us and hear our prayers?

I already quoted Hebrews 12. We are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses, not a cloud of corpses.

>they could pray for us but it has not more value then the prayers of mere mortals

As for why their prayers would be more efficacious, let us turn to James 5:16.
"The prayer of a righteous person has great power."

Yes, sorry Communists, the prayers of John the Baptist are more effective than the prayers of an alcoholic with a porn addiction.

Who fuckin cares about Mary. God could have fucked a goat and made jesus and it wouldn't matter. She's just a hole that Jesus came out of and nothing more.

>following a Semitic religion
Top cuck

You know, it's come up before in these threads where Catholics will say that Protestants demean Mary. They don't just ignore her, they have a very apparent and active dislike of her.
Your post is a great example of that.
Of course you'll back peddle now, but it's clear to everyone who reads your post that you have no respect for and nothing but contempt for Mary.

>religious people think that god is a big bearded sky daddy

>you'll backpeddle
>it's clear that you have no respect for Mary

Yes, and? She isn't important. Should we suck off the mothers of rock stars too? How about the president's mom? Mary does not matter, and worshipping her like she does anything of note besides getting knocked up is fucking ridiculous.

If Jesus was standing next to you would you call his mom a faggot?

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That would be rude and definitely not "loving one's neighbor." Just because I believe that she's nothing special doesn't mean I get a free pass to act like some autist to her.

>prots
>pagans
>says the guy worshiping a human woman as a deity
lmao

Honestly the 'idolotry' thing is fucktarded nonsense.

They dont worship the statues or icons at all basically its just a reminder.

now whether praying to Mary as an intecessor or whatever is proper..

I dunno, I figure Christ is cool with it even if its technically not kosher.

Who’s the ice cream guy

I'm praying to Agios Ephraim and asking him to heal my elbow and you can't do anything about it
BEGOM ORTHODOX

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> christcucks need reminders to remember who they pray to

Mary is 100% human, 0% divine. It is wrong to worship humans. We don't worship Adam or Moses or John the Baptist or Joseph. Mary worship is cult shit.

They do worship Mary. They worship all of their saints to some extent. But all of those people are only revered for their own reverence and devotion to Christ, who is first and foremost in the religion.

>Christcuck
Kys

>They dont worship the statues or icons at all basically its just a reminder.
This is typical taqiyya spouted by cathodox.

>yeah bro it's totally just reverance not worship!
>*says 300 hail mary's in a day*

Center of picture dum dum

Just a reminder that classical art is inherently European, specifically Greco-Roman, pagan.

>don't treat mary any different than other women goy!
>chastity is not a value you need to idealize!

Look at all these niggers who dont know the difference between Dulia, Hyperdulia, and Latria. Plebeians the lot of (((you))).

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.

Amen.

>The Lord is with thee.
>pray for us sinners now,
>pray for us

Pure intercession

>dead
I ask those alive in Christ to pray for me.

yay! me too :3

God damn I love my religion.

>bothering God with nonsense like this

Honestly all Christians worship multiple gods, so just add her to pantheon of this "monotheistic" religion

Nope. That's the difference between Christianity and a pagan religion like Islam.
When Christians worship Jesus, they're worshiping God.
When Muslims worship Muhammad, they're worshiping a man.
>Oh, but Muslims don't worship Muhammad
Yea, they do.
Islam is a Muhammad centered religion. It is Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad. He is the greatest human being, the most perfect example, everything about him is worthy of praise and honor. The very creed of Islam is there is no God but Allah AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS PROPHET. It's a disgusting elevation of one dirty, lustfilled man to the place of God.
Islam is a polytheistic religion compared to the beauty of monotheistic trinitarianism.

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>He thinks an image representing the Mother of God is "graven"
>He thinks an image representing men and women of God, in whom God's Holy Spirit dwells and sanctified, is graven