Germans Financing Lenin/Communism?

To what extent was Lenin and the Bolsheviks and the 1917 revolution funded by German gold to support German territorial interests. I know Sup Forums goes on and on about how Jews tried to subvert Germany, but wasn't Germany previously guilty of doing the same thing to Russia to try to get more land?

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they were, but Russia was broken from the inside already. Marxism in Europe was most popular in Germany and Russia. Basically Russia is filled with self-haters or indifferent people, so bolsheviks were anyway doing their work in a cultural void

To what extent did serfs play in the 1917 revolution and what were their relations like with the Bolsheviks?

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>To what extent did serfs play in the 1917 revolution and what were their relations like with the Bolsheviks?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_on_Land

>The Decree on Land, written by Vladimir Lenin, was passed by the Second Congress of Soviets of Workers', Soldiers', and Peasants' Deputies on 26 October 1917, following the success of the October Revolution. It decreed an abolition of private property, and the redistribution of the landed estates amongst the peasantry. According to the Decree on Land, the peasants had seized the lands of the nobility, monasteries and Church

Peasants were both pacified by the bolsheviks with decree, but they also put some resistance to bolshevism, there were peasant rebellions

Given the success of bolshevism seems like Russians in general were pretty divided, passive and didn't know what they wanted. They weren't very active in defending their tradition, because they hate themselves. Whites didn't know what they want for sure. Some wanted the tsar back, some wanted republican Russia, one big indecisiveness. Look at Russia even now, they still don't know whether they like traditional Russia more or the Stalins, Lenins and such

>Some wanted the tsar back, some wanted republican Russia

Sounds similar to what Germany was going through, no? Hitler was a sort of ersatz temporary return to monarchy perhaps?

>Hitler was a sort of ersatz temporary return to monarchy perhaps?
Hitler despised the monarchy and aristocracy, they called themselves in NSDAP "Kameraden" which is similar to "comrade", they wore ascetic attire, so as not to show that they're above anybody. So I suppose generally you're correct, both countries experienced a collapse of traditional orders where aristocracy was the role model and what folllwed was a complete amorphous shitshow with some romantic ideologues

So which German elite would have been in a position to want to finance a Russian revolution to gain land?

>To what extent was Lenin and the Bolsheviks and the 1917 revolution funded by German gold to support German territorial interests.

I don't know about funding but the German authorities put Lenin and his squad on a locked train car and sent him from Zurich to the Baltic, where he was taken by ferry to Finland and then by train to Russia.

The Bolsheviks received $20 million in funding from the Wallstreet banking firm Kuhn, Loeb & Co. as an explicit Jewish attack on the Russian people.

Im not doubting that they were funded by American Jews, but weren't they also funded by the Germans. Sort of knocks the wind out of the argument that Jews were trying to subvert Germans if Germans were also paying Jews to subvert Russians.

>Jews were trying to subvert Germans if Germans were also paying Jews to subvert Russians.

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

I mean but it was spy vs spy and hard to critique just one side, don't you think? I don't think anyone here emerges as particularly brave, just shameless and willing to bribe.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Kühlmann

Could this man have been responsible for bribing Lenin to return to Russia and sow a revolution?

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Lenin was sent by Germany to Russia to kill the tsar and get them out of the war.

How much would revolution have been inevitable anyways?

>To what extent
First year policsci faggot detected, shut the fuck up, deregister, go back to high school and get the prereqs for a proper degree. Thank me later.

I'm not in school.

Lenin and his close allies weregerman agents but mostly the February and october revolutions and the red army during the civil war were supported by the britbongs.

Because National Socialism was a product of the Industrial Revolution and WWI. It was an adaptation of monarchy in an industrial world

So was Lenin formally trained by the Germans or just given money?

Well put. But at heart isn't neo-nazism intertwined with a reactionary desire to return to some sort of "new" system of monarchy or at the very least autocracy?

Locked train car was a meme.

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was it really? I've always seen the idea of weaponized socialism delivered by train as the peak of german military engineering

Lenin openly said he was funded by German money.

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How did he first get in contact with the Germans?

>How did he first get in contact with the Germans?
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