Anime through the years

I'm an ignorant newfag to anime. If this question has been brought up thousands of times I'll accept any ass blasting I receive for it.

I've been binge watching all the popular anime suggested to me and I've just been wondering two things:
1) Is there a particular anime for each generation that helped shape or define it. From 80's to now (Like all the buff fighting shoenens from Fist Of The North Star - or all the mecha anime around the time Gundam came out- The moe anime after K-ON)

2) This is similar to one but deals with art style. Was their a particular artist around those times that everyone drew inspiration from? ( Like Rumiko Takahashi's art seemed to show through in the other 80's anime I watched)

tl;dr Which anime started the mecha phase, the moe phase, the harem phase, ect.? Who's drawing style did everyone seem to copy from 80's- now?

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To be honest OP your post demonstrates that you know more about anime than most of Sup Forums already

And to be honest myself, I looked a lot of this up before posting so I didn't seem too stupid...

I think anime only follows to what style would trend in the jap comic industry

Where's the '10?

See? All it takes to know more about anime than Sup Forums is a quick google.

I don't know that there's any anime that truly defines a time period because different anime are watched by different people who like different things. Uchuu Senkan Yamato and Gundam defined SF anime in the 80s but they didn't influence other popular things like Magical Princess Minky Momo or Touch. Azumanga Daioh influenced the moe yonkoma adaptations often thought to define the 10s but not more popular shows like Gundam Unicorn or even Bakemonogatari. It's more helpful to think about anime history in terms of genre than time period

I think looking for specific originators for a lot of these trends is a fool's errand. Sure, you have some really influential anime that everybody points to as turning points in the industry - say, Evangelion - but even those are really the product of decades of iteration and reimagination. After Tezuka, nobody's really consciously copying one particular artist's style so much as they're consuming a particular tranche of anime and manga in their formative years as animators and mangaka.

It's just a random pic I found. It didn't have '10 on it. Sorry.

To add some more nuance to this, yes: you do get a few cases of clear, direct inspiration. (Ikuhara Kunihiko's obvious influence on Shinbo Akiyuki being one of the most direct.) But those sorts of lineal relationships are the exception, not the rule.

That's actually very helpful. I never even thought about condensing it to genre. It makes more sense now.

I've noticed that too for the newer stuff.

80s looks just like Izumi Noa and 00s looks like a sad Nishizumi Miho

That's fine. I wonder if someone made one for the 00-10 decade

>Ikuhara Kunihiko's obvious influence on Shinbo Akiyuki being one of the most direct
You what? Shinbou's been doing that kind of stuff since basically the same time Ikuhara started doing it. They're both Dezaki-inspired more than anything.

I don't know if that's on purpose but I think it's just a bunch of pictures overlayed on top of each other to find the 'Average'. Sort of what they did for actual people :pmsol3.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/world-of-facial-averages-east-southeast-asia-pacific-islander/

I found this but it's not as good as the other one posted.

Yeah. Look for little microgenre trends, though, too: producers and underwriters are pretty risk conscious, so they tend to greenlight things reactively. The result is odd little booms like gothloli detective shows (Dantalian, Gosick, and Kamisama no Memochou) or fantasy shows involving red-haired female leads who are undiscovered royalty / fraternize with royalty. (Akatsuki no Yona, SoreSekai, Akagami no Shirayukihime, and now Mahoutsukai no Yome.) Not to mention all the bajillion Eva clones since 1996.

>Shinbou's been doing that kind of stuff since basically the same time Ikuhara started doing it. They're both Dezaki-inspired more than anything.

Fair point on the Dezaki influence, but Ikuhara did get out of the gate first, and the real shift in Shinbo's style happened shortly after Utena came out. Contrast Metal Fighter Miku with, say, Tenamonya Voyagers or Yamamoto Yohko.

Man, the hole just keeps getting deeper. Now I got to think of niche's genre's and possibly even tropes.

That's just an outdated catalog of KyoAni's body of work, you dink.

2005-2007 was a mistake

I haven't even thought of manga or the impact/influence it holds on Anime... And deeper in the hole I go.

You're right, sorry.

>niche's genre's

Fucking what, did you have a stroke while typing that?

>tumblr

That explains a lot.

You didn't consider how the fucking source material might influence anime? Are you serious?

It's just a gif I found that's linked to tumblr. See? 31.media.tumblr.com/4d61a1afb33e8f4867faab937e2c8e95/tumblr_inline_nb7xtmbC9x1rjf1pv.gif

A few more decades of mobage, VN, and LN adaptations and we're gonna be swamped with these pubbies.

yes. I'm that stupid of a noob. Because I've only gotten into anime. I haven't even started the stuff suggested for manga.

But of course it would influence it. Like books with movies and tv shows. But clearly I'm too retard to consider that in the first place.

His Yu Yu Hakusho storyboards look a lot more Shinbou than Metal Fighter Miku tho and those predate Utena

>a newfag who actually takes time to learn so he can contribute well
I'm pleasantly surprised
Anyways, I can't really help you apart from pointing you towards the more well known series, after that you're on your own.
Your best bet for who started each "phase" is probably just what series was a hit then and memorable now.

For example, if I was looking at mecha I would say Gundam, sure, but SDF Macross was certainly up there as well.

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guess I did.

That would be the main vein Dezaki influence. I think there's still a distinct and identifiable Ikuhara influence as well, though, particularly in his use of fanciful architecture and shadow animation, as well as in the way he engaged with Dezaki's work subsequently. (A shift from homage to out and out parody.)

And then you get the transition to 'modern' Shinbo with Tsukuyomi.

friendly reminder to lurk for 2 years before posting, if you made this thread on /wsr/ i'd post the chart.

Apparently I didn't learn as much as I should have * thank you. I'll guess I'll have to look around and find anime that's recommended of the stuff I've already watched and compare them.

I'll keep that in mind. I'll go back to lurking after this.

The fuck happened in 2005?
Don't talk shit about Haruhi

"Phases" have less to do with a certain anime inventing it and more to do with the market at the time. Like, a lot of anime throughout the 70s and 80s were sci-fi oriented riding off the success of Star Wars.
Art style shifts throughout the years, but if you do a bit of digging and reading up on your history it's easy to find animators who defined and influenced the next generation of artists.

>pubbies

fair enough

Why can't all newfags be like this?

I'd do this too but I'm still on my first 2 years lurki.. wait
shit

That makes sense, thanks.

>..
lurk 2 more years before posting

You don't actually have to lurk for two years. A few months is fine

Here's an image that does an okay job illustrating the development of some popular art styles.

here you go OP

This is impressive and informative. I'll have too look into all this stuff. Thank you for this!

This is more of a history thread than a rec thread

Op here. I'll take it anyway. I haven't even seen half of these yet. Thanks

Would be nice to see an updated flow chart which includes web-gen animators.

I've never seen this before, but it's really neat. Is there a full lecture or something somewhere?

Old anime is shit

Embrace the future.

All I know about the source of the image is what it describes in the header. Got it from a guy on here.

I know the first translated version came from anipages, but that's about it.

I prefer to keep a safe distance from the present when talking stuff like influence, there's just too much uncertainty

I like you. Lets fuck.

I think some of the first web-gen animators like Shingo Yamashita and Kenichi Kutsuna have clearly defined influences by now. The likes of Norio Matsumoto and Satoru Utsunomiya are big influences on that batch of web gen animators, and Kutsuna referred to himself as Utsunomiya's student during a recent talk.

The section with Ohira and Yuasa can probably be extended with Hironori Tanaka too since he professed to having them as his inspiration.

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Link to original

over 50% on that list
>little kid anime
>daddy type anime
>girl shit
>sports
>moe shit
>edgy 12 yo hero power fantasy
>comedy slice of life
>utterly shit art - the anime
>dry and boring

maybe 20-30 good anime

The earliest harems are Urusei Yastura and Ranma. I hear some people say that Yu Yu Hakusho has been influential towards shounen. I suspect that the success of shows like Clannad leads to more VN harem adaptations being made. The same thing applies with LN adaptations, the success of a few of them led to waves of additional adaptations. Off the top of my head successful attempts would be Shakugan no Shana, maybe Toradora, and most recently Bakemonogatari. They can be distinctly divided into genres though.

I'm not exactly an anime art afficianado but studios like Key seem to stick with their distinct style of animation, but yeah over the years it changes quite a bit.

Anime and mango are made for a market, after all, and people want characters that look, or even act like them, or at least what they want to be.

Notice the girls barely changing across those averages.

You're doing just fine OP. The only thing is that Sup Forums does not like elipses (...) for some reason, so you should stop that. Something to do with tumblr.

I'll try to remember that.

>that image
Damn 80s a best. I suck at drawing but when I am sketching for fun I still draw the face outline the same way as the female in the 80s pic with the indention at the temple, its how I learned.

80s was best. Now is the fucking worst. Everything looks like a pointy-chin metrobieber. It's hideous.

Never said it was the list of best damn anime of all time.
It's a broad stroke across all genres.

IMO you have to see both the good and the bad to form your own taste.

Love Hina is also absolutely indispensable to the Harem genre.　I am not a fan of the genre but I watched Love Hina on repeat as a kid and found it incredibly charming

Opening is a classic
youtu.be/oTa5CS-ZM9I

Now is also the most uncanny valley. In the 80s the characters actually looked like people.

I hope I'm not interpreting this wrong but I didn't actually draw it. It's just an image I found. It's from here:cdn.archonia.com/blog/wp/2014/11/Anime-faces-through-the-years.jpg

Modern anime is getting too detailed to the point where animators are struggling to keep up.3-tone shading may no longer be a thing unlike some old 80s anime but hair, eye, and costume design in modern anime is way too complex to be animation-friendly.

>No IG & their GiTS first digital anime processing era
What a shit.

>I watched Love Hina on repeat as a kid and found it incredibly charming
Me too. Love Hina and those Love Hina-themed games on Newgrounds irreversibly warped my sexuality at such a tender age. Thanks, anime.

The chart is more about the styles of 2D animation rather than any advancements in animation technology. Also, Blood: The Last Vampire is the real landmark in modern digital processing for Production IG, not GiTS.

I really found of the glamorous 70s style myself. 80s are good too, but its the point where the industry changes forever.

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The manga and anime industries are practically joined at the hip, and manga is the medium that contributes the most source material to anime by a pretty wide margin. Video games and light novels also make for pretty popular sources, though light novels only really took off in the mid 00s. Staying on top of popular manga is basically like looking into the future to see what the next big anime will be in a year or so.

not mine btw

Ellipses should be used to represent speech patterns, but nobody should be writing on Sup Forums like they would talk in real life. Ellipses have their places in novels for dialogue, but not here, where it just makes you look timid and indecisive.

Thanks to Trigger Tripfag. I just know about this yesterday.
>Buy BDs ---> Support the Series & its comitte
>Buy Merchs ---> Support the Studio

Fuck, I'd totally forgotten about Blood. I started going to cons around the time it came out and I remember how much hype there was for the whole digital animation thing.

youtu.be/cUGdIMSLZ_4?t=35s

I now get the ref from Milk Chan Op

Keyshit

>4 frames per second
Lol this era...

they made every frame count, though.

The animation's actually not that great.

That's pretty misleading and kinda backward. Merch generates more revenue for studios, but the cut they get from each sale is actually smaller than the cut they get from BDs. In the bigger picture, merch makes them more money because all those royalties add up to a larger stream than BD sales, which are generally fewer in number. So as an individual, if you want to know the best way to support a studio the answer is buy their BDs. They get a bigger cut of every BD sale, the main thing that makes them less profitable than merch is there aren't as many people buying BDs.

Threads like this further prove to me how big Digibro is on Sup Forums, even if they won't admit it.
I've been here for over ten years and I rarely see certain terms or names, but once Digibro makes a video on it they basically become common place.

>Anime and mango are made for a market, after all
This is something I feel like so many people, including most of Sup Forums, don't understand. I see them complaining about those "damn otaku" like they're holding the anime industry hostage. When all they did was buy shit that nobody else was buying. Can you blame the industry from chasing after the otaku yen? What were they supposed to do, go bankrupt and starve?

Who the fuck is digibro? I see this dumb faggot mentioned by crossborders and literally nobody else.

I guess I better get started on reading manga and looking at some of the newer ones then.

I'm having trouble finding as much with light novels though. It seems like the popular ones get picked up by Yen Press and taken off of the fan translation sites. Gotta spend money to read them then.

Also, is it because of the translation or do light novels not put who's speaking and you have to guess?

A brony who now tries to become a youtube-anime reviewer.

Nice buzzword.

>youtube anime reviewer
So yeah, only crossboarding faggots would watch that.

Since the average Sup Forumsnon watch

You're trying way too hard.

>I've been here for over ten years and I rarely see certain terms or names, but once Digibro makes a video on it they basically become common place.
And you have specific examples of this?

Please don't let the thread get derailed into e-celeb discussion.

The late-night anime industry's workforce is made up of otaku who become animators drawing for otaku who buy the anime.
Easy money for the producers, and they can keep exploiting them without feeling badly, because nobody really likes otaku anyway.

A lot of the light novels that get adapted are flavor of the month stuff that it pretty much a waste of time to keep up with. There's a few big series out there with multiple seasons, but most of them are just 1 season advertisements and are totally forgettable.

As to their formatting, Japanese can be pretty vague with respects to attributing dialogue. It should be the job of the translator to clean it up but most LN fan translators go for speed rather than quality.

Shinbo/Sakuga/The arguments used when discussing Habanari and all the "meta anime are becoming stale" threads once he released the video on it.
Not to mention the massive wave he caused in 3x3 threads when he released a video on that.

>Also, is it because of the translation or do light novels not put who's speaking and you have to guess?
That's just how they are written. Translators could try to make it clearer who's speaking but it would not be as faithful to the original. It shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who's speaking.

Wait are you really such a massive tool you think some e-celeb dipshit invented the discourse on things like sakuga and shinbo? Holy shit, please fuck off from Sup Forums forever.