If you're not a traditionalist Catholic you are going to hell

Aaron Morris
Aaron Morris

It's that simple folks!

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Carter Myers
Carter Myers

If you're not a traditionalist Catholic you are going to hell
So you deny the fact that the Catholic Church has said Christians outside of Catholicism can be Saved?

Dominic Young
Dominic Young

being spooked

Jaxson Collins
Jaxson Collins

Catholics are just money sucking euro jews larping that they have some kind of divine authority.
Your indulgence isn't gonna save you from hell.

Jose Gutierrez
Jose Gutierrez

Yes. That statements contradicts previous teaching and was not made ex cathedra since it was declared during Vatican II, which the Pope at the time explicitly said did not contain statements of infallible doctrine. Next question.

Leo Robinson
Leo Robinson

She has a nice rump desu. Congrats.

John Thompson
John Thompson

Why is the pope such a cuck?

Adrian Nguyen
Adrian Nguyen

Yes. That statements contradicts previous teaching and was not made ex cathedra since it was declared during Vatican II, which the Pope at the time explicitly said did not contain statements of infallible doctrine. Next question.
So you're saying the Catholic Church was wrong and is currently issuing edits in error?

Easton Wilson
Easton Wilson

Videogames are sinful wastes of time for pathetic losers.

OP's pic is a family of cucks.

Landon Wood
Landon Wood

Because humans have free will. Christ guaranteed only that the Holy Spirit would prevent the teaching of errant dogma and doctrine in specific circumstances. Catholics still must morally discern and advocate for their faith otherwise.

There have been terrible popes throughout history. Francis may be the worst though.

Owen Turner
Owen Turner

There have been terrible popes throughout history. Francis may be the worst though.
So the church made a mistake in electing him pope?

Angel Turner
Angel Turner

There is no strain of Catholic theology that would imply this is not possible. Catholic teaching is only infallible when it is taught ex cathedra through the universal ordinary or extraordinary magisterium. These have only been used a handful of times since the 1950s. For instance, when John Paull II said women can't be priests. Just because you are not clear on the nature of Catholic obedience and the limits of papal infallibilty doesn't mean you can play eye rolling skeptic.

“In view of the pastoral nature of the Council, it avoided any extraordinary statements of dogmas endowed with the note of infallibility, but it still provided its teaching with the authority of the Ordinary Magisterium which must be accepted with docility according to the mind of the Council concerning the nature and aims of each document” (Paul VI, General Audience of 12 January 1966).

Ergo, VII was not infallible but the pope wanted everyone to go along with it anyway with "docility". Fortunately, he doesn't have the authority to say that. The greatest thinkers in Church history, like St. Augustine, did the same.

Hunter Gomez
Hunter Gomez

There is no guarantee that a pope will not be terrible. You are severely misunderstanding Church teaching and the idea of infallibility. Terrible popes have always existed.

Henry Bell
Henry Bell

I wonder what the preist of the church you go to would think of your actions here.

Would he approve of this site? Would he approve of your attempts to lump hatred and shame upon other Christians?

Would he approve of you dismissal of certain catholic doctrine?

You are doing the work of the devil...and you're disgusting.

Carson Perez
Carson Perez

Kys faggot. Burn in hell.
Vatican II was a pastoral council meaning you don't have to agree with it.

Nolan Brooks
Nolan Brooks

HAHAHAHAHA ok guy
the man without an argument
Please explain how your little post here connects to any of the substantive points I've put forth thus far. Couldn't do it, could you? That's because you are thinking with emotions like a literal, LITERAL woman. Yikes. I'm embarrassed for you, but it's ok if you just duck out of the thread, sweetie.

John Roberts
John Roberts

A friendly reminder that cucktholicism isn't American and it will never be American. Those images of comfy nuclear white families going to churches in the US are protestant churches, not pagan temples.

Grayson Carter
Grayson Carter

Wrong. I drew that picture and it is literally my family. Cuck.

Mason Ross
Mason Ross

American culture
good by any standards
Top kek

Easton Anderson
Easton Anderson

I was confirmed, but don’t currently practice. One of the biggest reasons is his embarrassing self.

Samuel Green
Samuel Green

SSPX

Adrian Price
Adrian Price

Wild.

Blake Brooks
Blake Brooks

ABSOLUTELY KEKED !

SAVED !

Michael Sanders
Michael Sanders

I'm going to my first SSPX Mass tomorrow. Looking forward to it.

Cameron Cooper
Cameron Cooper

FFSP*

Asher Young
Asher Young

Kek

Brandon Morales
Brandon Morales

Too many pedophile priests and downright mean nuns.
Church of Christ is a most excellent Reformation church.
No foreign pope.

Benjamin Barnes
Benjamin Barnes

Vatican II was a pastoral council meaning you don't have to agree with it.

So, you kinda do, but there isn't inherently anything wrong with V2 anyways. The only negative thing we can say about the Church is that the Vatican was extremely optimistic about the results of V2. They didn't realize that "Vatican II vs. The Spirit of Vatican II" would ever be a thing, and they sure as hell didn't predict that myriad of liturgical abuses which would result. Not their fault, but the Church needs to never be optimistic.

Doesn't matter. Novus Ordo (at least in my Diocese) is becoming more and more reverant every day, and the Latin Mass sees it's pews packed with young people every week.

Joshua Miller
Joshua Miller

I respectfully disagree; however, I believe that if you discerned that in good faith there is nothing detrimental to your salvation by your decision. FSSP does some great stuff. I personally find the issues that separate SSPX from FSSP to be too important to me.

The only thing that really grates on me is conciliar Catholics, including some FSSP, who INSIST that SSPX is schismatic, etc. when it is literally the past two popes who have proven otherwise. Benedict lifted the excommunications and Frank gave a permanent dispensation to SSPX to perform the only two sacraments that would otherwise have required jurisdiction.

Joseph Bell
Joseph Bell

Most of the shit we read from Vatican II is people overreacting. Of course there was some prot influence on it (literally why) but the teachings of the church didn't change because no one can do it.

Jose Campbell
Jose Campbell

I think the NO, while valid, is detrimental to souls. It is imbued with Protestant theology (Prod theologians were involved in VII, specifically Calvinists) to remove "offense". The Mass is not a meal. That is a Prod invention. The Mass is the sacrifice at Calvary, full stop. There are no other components. I resent that the NO is focused on the Last Supper, when this was never the intention. It is muddled, dangerous theology. Ask Catholics what they think the Eucharist is. Most will say it's the Last Supper, because of how deranged catechesis has become in the wake of VII.

Jack Adams
Jack Adams

tfw you will never throw every Catholic back into the ocean where they belong

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

Nah, the choice is between the Perennial Tradition and the Outsider (Jahveh/Allah). Catholicism from what I can tell is the former masquerading itself as the latter.
All shall be revealed right before the Endtimes.

Luke Richardson
Luke Richardson

but there isn't inherently anything wrong with V2 anyways

Dude....

They literally turned themselves into faggy protestants

Andrew Sanchez
Andrew Sanchez

I was referring to the images you catholicucks use in your other threads of comfy Americana culture with protestant churches. Catholicism isn't American.

Aaron Stewart
Aaron Stewart

I belong in hell so it works out

Easton Young
Easton Young

derp when catholicucks act like cucks, let's name call them protestants xD
Catholics are more liberal in the Americas than Europe.

Jason Nguyen
Jason Nguyen

youtu.be/k6C9BuXe2RM

I love this man, bishop Williamson is quite the man, he's very humble and intelligent

Thomas King
Thomas King

Come to Mexico and you might dissagree, US is the birthplace of the new era tendency

Camden James
Camden James

Benedict lifted the excommunications

I'm just curious as to why you would cite an action by Benedict — probably the man who helped start the liturgical counter-revolution towards traditionalism — and yet still feel as if you need to go to an SSPX parish instead of a Latin Mass which is still in communion with Rome. Popes like Benedict in the future (we can only hope for Cardinal Sarah — the anti-migration archconservative who just happens to be African) will be the norm, and the "positives" (I use this term lightly) of the theological minimalism allegedly introduced by V2 will allow rites of all nations, unique to their culture, to be developed?

The only thing that really grates on me is conciliar Catholics, including some FSSP, who INSIST that SSPX is schismatic, etc.

It's schismatic in the sense that we need you fucking people in the pews of the "Novus Ordo" now more than ever! You are the firebrands of the Church. It's the pressure of people like you on the bishops which will see the reintroduction of incense, the elimination of ad populum and the reintroduction of ad orientem, and the return of even the Novus Ordo to reverence.

Ethan Murphy
Ethan Murphy

not traditionalist, thats why reddit loves this pope so argument nulled

Alexander Sanders
Alexander Sanders

your already there

Charles Williams
Charles Williams

Do they have SSPX in Mexico, Mexi-friend?

Nicholas Wood
Nicholas Wood

VII wasn't as negative as you think. My assumption is that you are still overly concerned and connected with dogmatic and traditional obedience.
In fact, VII has helped influence some incredibly valuable philosophical and theoretical theses.
Without PJP's insistence on a greater concentration on anthropology and other humanities, thinkers like Rene Girard wouldn't have shed light on their incredible revelations.
Girard, in my opinion, may possibly end up being considered one of the most important Catholic thinkers of the last few centuries.

I think you make the mistake of confusing Christianity with Christendom and must realise that the lived experienced of Christian Love, Conversion and Penitence will always be more important than stale dogma and tradition.
Haven't Voegelin, Scheler, Dostoevsky taught you anything?

Lucas Nelson
Lucas Nelson

I wonder who could be behind this post

Chase Baker
Chase Baker

I love and respect Benedict, but I still disagree with the neoconservative Catholic position spearheaded by him and JPII. They posit the "hermeneutic of continuity" that basically requires internalizing cognitive dissonance.

SSPX is in communion with Rome. The term Benedict used is that SSPX is "not fully reconciled," meaning SSPX disagrees on certain issues, but not on any doctrine that would constitute heresy or schism.

I tried to do what I could in my parish. There was too much cuckery and politics. There is something to be said for making a statement by contributing to the success of SSPX instead. The Vatican sees all traditionalists as a monolithic unit anyway. If you feel you can do more from inside parish structures, I applaud you. It's just... not for me anymore. With that said, if SSPX was formally declared schismatic I would leave it, but the trend is for it to receive increasing legitimacy from the Vatican.

Eli Foster
Eli Foster

Genuine question, as I am baptized and confirmed catholic but no longer consider myself catholic. How can anyone overlook the massive pedo problem in the catholic church around the world? Also, Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, not a church, not a man, not a doctrine. Jesus Christ. Everything that has come after Christ is extra. Saying you need the catholic church for salvation is heresy.

Landon Carter
Landon Carter

Most of the shit we read from Vatican II is people overreacting. Of course there was some prot influence on it (literally why) but the teachings of the church didn't change because no one can do it.

Yep. I'll mention it again: Vatican II vs. Spirit of Vatican II. Pope Benedict drew some pretty clear lines in the sand which will prevent the continuation of decades of liturgical abuses following the "Spirit of Vatican II". The Church wasn't aware that Prots and, even worse, Marxists had entered the ranks of the Priesthood, but those days will soon be over. Every single young priest I meet — including the Hispanic ones, at least in the North East — have the fire of Old in them. We just need to wait for the generation of liberal priests to die out. Give it thirty years, and, let me tell you, the reverence will be a sight to behold.

Ask Catholics what they think the Eucharist is. Most will say it's the Last Supper, because of how deranged catechesis has become in the wake of VII.

Woah. That's insane. Which diocese is this? That's a toxic community, man. Even the cucked out catholics I've spoken to will readily accept that Mass is the Sacrifice. That's dangerous shit, brother. Guess what? It's YOUR responsibility to be active in correcting this. It sucks, I know, but the liturgical counter-revolution will be complete much faster if the parish is active in correcting Modernist influences.

Vatican II vs. Spirit of Vatican II. Trust me, man. That pic sends fire running through my veins. Last night, at the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, the altar boy was female. Every single altar "boy" was female, from the laity, dressed like shit . . . issuing the Eucharist.

Yet, I go to NO masses where these abuses will never happen. Ever.

Read the documents of Vatican II. Over-optimistic? Yes. Theologically damaging in the long-run? No. Benedict, as I said, in a few of his circulars, acted to correct a ton of the abuses of past decades, cont

Matthew Lee
Matthew Lee

the pope says
you're already straying from God

Aiden Powell
Aiden Powell

Yes, I know the bishops personally and my family has contributed a lot to the fraternidad and I still contribute

Brayden Moore
Brayden Moore

Thanks for the advertisement, goyim.

Caleb Bailey
Caleb Bailey

The Pedo shit is largely Jesuits. The real problem of the Catholic Church is that a Pope exists. When did Jesus or God ever say there's supposed to be a man in charge of the Church who speaks for them to all of mankind?

I smell a large nose.

Charles Collins
Charles Collins

:o

Hunter Johnson
Hunter Johnson

I don't entirely disagree with everything you're saying, and I don't think the entirety of Vatican II is invalid; all of it is, except the parts that are explicitly in error. But I also completely disagree with you that Christian love is anything but entirely congruent with dogma and tradition. Those things are one and the same, and any attempt to disentangle them is pure marxism/jewishness. Love means nothing if it is not connected to Christ's law and salvation.

Evan Jenkins
Evan Jenkins

Agreed 100000%

Henry Wood
Henry Wood

The moral part of me says that the Christian part of Sup Forums constantly devouring itself SJW-style is something to be angry about, given that it's the primary tool the Jew has used to cripple the White race for the last 1900 years. But the other part of me just thinks that it's fucking hilarious.

Henry Turner
Henry Turner

They posit the "hermeneutic of continuity" that basically requires internalizing cognitive dissonance.

I disagree that the HOC requires internalizing, as you say, cognitive dissonance, and I would even much more so caution in attributing any sort of ideology to a pope, or the Church (although, these days, it's quite easy with Francis and the older generation of liberal Priests, I'll give you that.) Anyways, the HOC begins to make sense when you can classify three kinds of Bishops in the dioceses: 1. Trad Bishops/priests, 2. "Moderate" bishops/priests who fall between 1 and 3, and 3, the liberal, hippy-dippy "anything goes, infinite love" priests.

Now, go back to 1963. Children are destroying their parents' heritages. There's a "sexual" revolution in the West, evidence of a slow-burning Marxism, while the Orthodoxy in the East is seeing a large number of their parishioners being literally martyred under a "hard" Marxism, Communism. Given the documentation of Vatican II (which was supposed to be finished in Vatican I, but Italian unification disrupted the council), what was a moderate Bishop (the majority of Bishops, I posit, in the USCCB, even at the time) to do? Remember - salvation of the soul comes before anything. They were scared, quite fucking scared, of the amount of people leaving Church and not being saved. It seemed, at the time, the only solution was to let the Spirit of V2 go, because, while theologically minimalist, Novus Ordo will still save you. It's lazy. It's liturgically abusive under the wrong priest. But your sorry ass will be saved. The Trad bishops, knowing their mission better than anybody else, went along with this . . . and the liberal Bishops had their decade made.

This is why the hermeneutic is so important to remember: every force in the world was coming down on the Church. Even the fucking Church. And certain communities made the choice that salvation was more important than anything, knowing full well (cont)

Adrian Foster
Adrian Foster

there's no point in being Christian if you can't convince yourself of god's reality deep down. Just LARPing and pretending to believe won't do shit for you. It's better for most people to be an athiest in their youth until they can understand what people mean when they say God. It's an extremely complicated idea and takes years to conceptualize.

Colton Clark
Colton Clark

That's not how it works.

Angel Cook
Angel Cook

Honestly, most of that was in the 80s when almost all of the new priests were gay weed smoking Jesuits. It has calmed down a lot now. THe homos dont need to hide and they feel like the church isnt "tolerant" of them, so they dont become priests anymore. (also, its almost as bad in public schools)

Chase King
Chase King

The existance of a bishop of Rome is a problem?
Check yourself, or at least argue it coherently. He is the highest bishop.

Luis Garcia
Luis Garcia

I could not agree more. I find, however, that obedience to dogma and tradition required the presupposition of experiencing Christs Love and mercy.

To put dogma and tradition at the forefront without having experienced what one is honouring is, i believe, what has created this epidemic of cradle Catholics who no longer want anything to do with the Church.
VII was revolutionary in its focus on the experiential over the dogmatic.

I was a cradle Catholic who had lost my way and though i paid lip service to the Church by showing up on Sunday's, i never truly understood the real meaning of Mass even though i understood its significance. It wasn't until I had a true experience of Christs love vis a vis Repentance that i understood the beauty of Mass. I now go 3-4 times a week and oversee group Rosary recitations.

This over emphasis on Orthodoxy is, in my opinion, the problem with other Religions such as Eastern cults, Islam and non-Catholic denominations. In remembering the steps to the dance, one forgets why one dances in the first place.

Just a note - Your branding things "marxist" or "jewishness" reeks of scapegoating.
Please read Girard (Things hidden since the foundation of the world). Scapegoating is the "skandalon" Christs revelation tried to overcome.

Thomas Miller
Thomas Miller

that liberalism in the Church was going to die as the Pax Europa/Pax Americana came to a close sooner or later (we're seeing it), and after that generation of liberal priests — really a fucking wildcard that nobody would've predicted — gave up the ghost.

This is what I think of when I at least justify the concept of the HOC: a rocky point in 20th Century Church history which allowed it to exist in full today via a symbolic, strategic retreat (feigned retreat? I can't tell) over a period of a few decades, a expanse of time which, in God's eyes and the eyes of the Church, is really fucking nothing. We're getting back on track to business as usual as the world goes to shit, and I have nothing but faith that the Church, utterly besides herself in the era of wanton material paradise, will be, within 100 years, the vanguard of traditionalism. It's a continuity because the time period of V2 and the early 21st century is nothing more than a slight hiccup that we make a big deal out of because it encompasses our lives, and if the Church goes back to how it was for the majority of 1900 years, did it ever truly change?

Hunter Cox
Hunter Cox

You're not a true catholic if you don't fuck children

Jordan Walker
Jordan Walker

Please read Girard

MY NIGGA. Girard and Chesterton go hand in hand

Elijah Phillips
Elijah Phillips

then why are protestant nations so much more succesful than cathcuck nations these last few centuries?

David Thompson
David Thompson

Italians
Irish
West Slavs
Spanish/Portuguese

white
Wow.....so this... is the power.....of the Catholic race....

Gavin Rodriguez
Gavin Rodriguez

via a symbolic, strategic retreat (feigned retreat? I can't tell) over a period of a few decades

I'd also like to add that, other than the chronic optimism during V2 which caused the abuses of the Spirit of V2, this strategic "retreat" is only possible when the Church begins to act like an organization instead of the Church. That's where mother Church went wrong in the 20th century: acting like a civic organization instead of the Rock of Christ.

JPII was entirely correct in labeling the 20th century "our difficult century", and the Church doesn't get to escape the blame. They partook in the difficulty too, but, as Christians, we need to pray, pray, pray, that the Church will get back on track.

And it will. Have a little faith. He's listening. Always has been. Always will.

Jeremiah Robinson
Jeremiah Robinson

AND Chesteron?!
My bro, i read Girard and followed it DIRECTLY with Orthodoxy and The Everlasting Man.

You're my Dude and absolutely right about them going hand in hand. In a way Chesterton was, in a literary way(Elfland), prefiguring Girards highly scientific theses.

Daniel Young
Daniel Young

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Christian Walker
Christian Walker

Your mind will be blown if you take some of the stuff Girard says, the intellect of The Everlasting Man, and . . . wait for it . . . Zeitgeist.

All religions and spiritual systems which seem to "predate" Christ simply foreshadow and predict his coming. God is Timeless, and Jung, I think, is onto something big with his archetypical theories. But if God is timeless, the Truth always was, and Christ on Earth represents a massive shift in the paradigm of man, there's nothing to say that Jungian archetypes — exhibited in the intersection between spirituality and literature, which is myth — don't work backwards in time as well.

Something to think about.

Justin Taylor
Justin Taylor

t. paki

Liam Jenkins
Liam Jenkins

Amen to that. Well said.

Jordan Morales
Jordan Morales

Catholics violate the Bible repeatedly, silly.

idols
claiming they can make up new truth
pope (no, Peter was not the first pope)
praying to saints (no, praying to them "for intercession" does not make it okay, they don't have more weight with God than any other human)
etc etc

Jaxson Sullivan
Jaxson Sullivan

Spend eternity with a bunch of boring nonames who missed out of a lot of fun and expierences in their lifes

In what universe is that a good deal?

Jackson Jenkins
Jackson Jenkins

Good luck trying to find a traditionalist Catholic wife now.

Caleb Myers
Caleb Myers

Catholic thread
gay prot shitting the thread once again
Go read the Bible instead of sucking pastor Jim cock while he says James 2 is wrong.

Cooper Gomez
Cooper Gomez

Are you a Protestant?

Maccabees is calling. He wants his Sola Scriptura back.

Jace King
Jace King

insist what your pope says is more important than what the Bible, the literal word of God, says
insult actual Christians who call you out on your BS

kek, never change

Elijah White
Elijah White

Yet you browse Sup Forums Sup Forums good job OP

Bentley Green
Bentley Green

why don't christians just go back to the very first church and teachings unifying theirselves again?

Jason Rodriguez
Jason Rodriguez

Maccabees, sola scriptura, etc

Noah Lewis
Noah Lewis

Hail Satan!

Jaxon Wright
Jaxon Wright

implying average burger has knowledge of ancient languages and cultures to be fully able to understand the bible
B-but KJV is infallible
removes 7 books
claims he's a Christian although he denies apostolic sucession
derives his authority from pastor Jim (or worse from himself) instead of Peter which is the rock where Jesus built the Church
Just protestant things.

Gabriel Wilson
Gabriel Wilson

That's bullshit. Read the bible you twat. It says that as long as you have faith and believe that you are saved, you are saved. I'm a protestant myself and I've had some amazing things happen to me as a kid through prayer and faith. If you have enough faith, God will make it happen. He admires people who have the grit to believe to the very end. When I used to be in to reading my bible and praying as a young kid, he literally spoke to me once. It was the most insane experience of my entire life. This is not a larp. I was hiking with my mom. I had previously read about how Samuel had talked with God as a kid around my age. I prayed and prayed that God would talk to me. Eventually a warm sensation spread through my body. I started feeling a vibration in my chest on the opposite side of my heart. A "voice" broke through the tension. It said "You will be a man of peace,____ , peace", and then it started to fade away. Since then I've taken part in healing people and praying over them a couple times. This stuff does exist!

Jace Perez
Jace Perez

Hola mi hombre. If you're a traditionalist Catholic you serve the great Whore, not the Lord. Enjoy your siesta though!

Gabriel Harris
Gabriel Harris

from an outsider perspective both catholics and protestants are retarded for constantly fighting desu
the more you fight the more you kill your shared religion

Eli Morgan
Eli Morgan

Catholicism is for faggits. Be Protestant. Fuck church. Win.

Adrian Adams
Adrian Adams

Hell it is then.

Isaac Allen
Isaac Allen

it says as long you have faith you will be saved
Lol what mate?
James 2:14-18 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

<14> What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him? <15> And if a brother or sister be naked, and want daily food: <16> And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? <17> So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. <18> But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.

Josiah Davis
Josiah Davis

Prots aren't Christian lad. We don't have a shared religion.

Jason Reed
Jason Reed

Catholicism isn't viable in the long term simply because theres too many shitskin adherents and no rules saying that only whites can be members of the priesthood. While we might get some based men out of nations like Poland, the fact of the matter is that the mestizo filth in the Americas will continually produce Catholic leaders who are pro-racemixing, pro-liberalism and will attempt to use the Church to advance a spic agenda.

Owen Nelson
Owen Nelson

If you're not a traditionalist Catholic you are going to hell
Have an upvote. Please excommunicate any Catholic who doesn't believe this. I'm a (non-zionist) protestant, but I really do respect this attitude.

Religion is not fashion. You don't "pick a religion" because it "suits you", but because you've determined it's true.

Alexander Young
Alexander Young

hey you reading this, look up the Waldensian massacres propagated by catholics. that should tell you a lot

Cooper Thomas
Cooper Thomas

Cont.
James 2:19-26 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

<19> Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. <20> But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? <21> Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar? <22> Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect? <23> And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God. <24> Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? <25> And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way? <26> For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.

Landon Cooper
Landon Cooper

doesnt want to sodomize little boys
doesnt want to let gays into the church
doesnt want to take down crosses of jesus because it offends the new popes vision of the catholic church
claim atheists are going to heaven
Hell sounds better

Juan Edwards
Juan Edwards

You're misinterpreting this verse. It says that just as in earier books that "You shall know them by their fruits". It is very obvious that one does not have faith if their works do not show it to be so. That is what the verse says in summary my friend.

Lucas Robinson
Lucas Robinson

I don't get into him much but this all sounds very Jordan Peterson-ey. Am i right?

Could you give me a gestalt?

Charles Peterson
Charles Peterson

waah why is my religion dying all over the world
fuck other people of my religion, they aren't a part of my religion just because they do it a bit differently!

Luke Young
Luke Young

you must read manuscripts to understand the meaning of God's word
Yeah, no. Funny, nowhere in the Bible does it say this... although it repeatedly stresses that Christ is the only mediator, not any priest or pope (which is also never mentioned).
KJV
A terrible translation; they didn't even have a manuscript of Revelation to translate and used a commentary. ESV.
removes 7 books
Considering they weren't divine, seems like a good idea.
denies apostolic succession
Yep, never mentioned in the Bible. Why would I trust wicked men over the word of the living God?
derives authority from pastor
Nope, the only authority is Christ.
instead of Peter which is the rock where Jesus built the church
The church is all the saints. The church is not ever described or implied to be a hierarchy of men who make up things that they insist are divine, violate and condone things Christ explicitly said were evil, etc etc.

Faith inspires works. Works do not make for salvation, as the Bible explicitly and repeatedly says. Nowhere in those verses does it say what you're implying; it says it's not real faith if it doesn't lead TO works. You're no better than liberals who take OT verses out of context and insist that's what all Christians believe.

Xavier Watson
Xavier Watson

orthodoxes=protestants>catholics because no
Vatican and less kid-diddling

It's almost like the pope is a meaningless figurehead with his own opinions, not god's.

Austin Thompson
Austin Thompson

So sola fides btfo.
Faith without works is dead then.
Then you can't have faith without works.
Therefore sola fides its impossible.
just a bit different
What if you Googled what was the reformation.
Denominations a bit different from catholicism are orthodoxes and East assyrians. Theres minor differences between us but we agree on the essential and we all derive our authority from Jesus. I call them my Christian brothers.
Prots are "churches" made by man 16 centuries after Christ. Nice authority they have and they violate every single dogma of the primitive church. Nice Christians they are. Some even remarry, have lgbt priests things that very explicitly Jesus forbid. (not all prots love gays though) .

Mason Jones
Mason Jones

Is Francis going to heaven

Logan Diaz
Logan Diaz

Chris, you exoteric folks always read it too literally.

Faith is belief, the output of the emotional/mental interlocking that produces the lower layer of the Triangle of Manifestation. The first is thought/mental - you have to think of a need, idea, concept, etc. From there you fill it with emotion. The concept of 'charging' comes from this interaction. But that alone IS NOT ENOUGH. It requires the third point, the top point, of the triangle - action. ACTION makes your manifestation occur.

Faith, without works, is dead. Your faith can't manifest itself without action to complete the triangle. Now go and be foolish no longer.

Henry Davis
Henry Davis

Shouldn't you be kissing muslim feet with your pope right now?

Carson Lee
Carson Lee

I'm not, but my wife is. Will she be able to get me out of it?

Tyler Wright
Tyler Wright

this

Liam Johnson
Liam Johnson

(You)
you must read manuscripts to understand the meaning of God's word
Yeah, no. Funny, nowhere in the Bible does it say this... although it repeatedly stresses that Christ is the only mediator, not any priest or pope (which is also never mentioned).
OK so what about this?
2 Peter 1:20-21 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

<20> Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. <21> For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
KJV
A terrible translation; they didn't even have a manuscript of Revelation to translate and used a commentary. ESV.
Kek reading the Bible in English. Sure it's close to the original
removes 7 books
Considering they weren't divine, seems like a good idea.
Every book I don't like is not divine. Tell me why
denies apostolic succession
Yep, never mentioned in the Bible. Why would I trust wicked men over the word of the living God?
Why did they elect matthias to replace judas? Read acts. All of it. You'll find the answer
derives authority from pastor
Nope, the only authority is Christ.
instead of Peter which is the rock where Jesus built the church
The church is all the saints. The church is not ever described or implied to be a hierarchy of men who make up things that they insist are divine, violate and condone things Christ explicitly said were evil, etc etc.
Yeah sure Jesus didn't mean that. So why did he said Peter that explicitly.
And Btw Saint Paul was the one to establish a hierarchy on the church
(You)
Faith inspires works. Works do not make for salvation, as the Bible explicitly and repeatedly says. Nowhere in those verses does it say what you're implying; it says it's not real faith if it doesn't lead TO works. You're no better than liberals who take OT verses out of context and insist that's what all Christians believe.
Cont on next post.

Chase Evans
Chase Evans

No, but she might be able to save her refugee bull that she fucks with while you're out wagecucking.

Bentley King
Bentley King

The bible says if you kill someone, you go to hell. So the spartans, the vikings, the hussars, the arditi, and the selous scouts must all be there. They probably drink for eternity and tell stories of heroism and bravery. Sounds like a pretty badass place to me.

Liam White
Liam White

PRAISE YOUR DAMN POPE CX

Brandon Myers
Brandon Myers

Faith inspires works. Works do not make for salvation, as the Bible explicitly and repeatedly says. Nowhere in those verses does it say what you're implying; it says it's not real faith if it doesn't lead TO works. You're no better than liberals who take OT verses out of context and insist that's what all Christians believe.
You can believe in God but you a be a evil son of a bitch. Faith doesn't imply works?
Have you ever read James. Look at my post above. He says the demons also belive in God as well, but their actions are wicked. So that means faith didn't inspire those demons to be good.

Samuel Stewart
Samuel Stewart

Sex outside of marriage is hella sinful

Easton Morris
Easton Morris

Look at his eyes and his smile, there is no way he isn't the devil incarnate. He looks evil.

Isaiah Long
Isaiah Long

If the rules are that strict then I've definitely violated some that would keep me out already anyway

Wyatt Allen
Wyatt Allen

Not our decision.

Andrew Brooks
Andrew Brooks

I'm assuming you're homosexual so probably. You hated God so much he gave you over to a reprobate mind. Shouldn't have done that senpai

Tyler Sullivan
Tyler Sullivan

If you aren't Eastern Orthodox you are going to hell for being a heretic. Roman Catholics especially for the great schism.

Nicholas Ward
Nicholas Ward

Haha, you'd have to be a stupid "refugee" to hang around here when the doors are wide open to leg-spreading blonde sluts in Germany and Sweden! The wife is a traditionalist, though, and thinks the Pope is a disgrace, re your picture.

Brody Reed
Brody Reed

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Evan Jones
Evan Jones

this is a catechism btw.

Leo Hall
Leo Hall

just join a cash4heaven scheme goy!

Joshua Bennett
Joshua Bennett

No. The thing is, faith and intent inspires works. About how protestants are 'degenerate': you can't generalise all protestants. I could say the same thing about Catholics. Your "leader" the pope is an advocate for gay Christians who sin even with knowledge of this sin, among many other degeneracies. Many protestants are much more conservative by far than Catholics in a moral sense. The least conservative of these are Presbyterians and the New Age weirdos who think that gifts of the spirt are learned by taking classes. Look at Sweden. They just got their 1st lesbian female bishop. On this tolken you cannot generalise.

Angel Howard
Angel Howard

If you aren't Roman Catholic you are going to hell for being a heretic. Eastern Orthodoxes especially for the great schism.
Just cut the bullshit.
Council of Florence 2.0 when?
Ps: your religious music and art are God tier.

Christopher Ortiz
Christopher Ortiz

Thats a VII heresy that directly contradicts previous infallible teaching. Glad I could help you out there

Cooper Baker
Cooper Baker

None of that is biblical. Stop using strawmen.

Aaron Gray
Aaron Gray

By that logic the Pope is a heretic.

Jordan Cook
Jordan Cook

Catechisms arent authoritative declarations of faith. They are teaching documents and resources for bishops, with no insinuation that everything in them are infallible.

Ryan Parker
Ryan Parker

The pope's the antichrist

Jordan Gomez
Jordan Gomez

The pope just said he doesn't want to burn fags like before.
He understands that even if he wanted to accept them he is forbidden by the Canon of the Church. And besides Francis opposed gay marriage in Argentina.
1992 catechism
That chapter is full of inconsistencies.
Cathecisms by themselves have no authority. Some of the earlier editions had some heresies that were corrected in later versions.

Tyler Gomez
Tyler Gomez

Yeah and half the clergy. Theres no guarantee they won't be. Just that they wont spread heresy by the extraordinary magisterium

Tyler Cruz
Tyler Cruz

Why do proddies fear tradition so much?

Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith

christcucks argue over 3th century philosphy intepration
while islam is taking over the world, and only really has two major divisions, with the Shia and Sunni divide being irrelevant outside of the arab world (arabs only 15 per cent of the world muslim population, and of them only about one fifth is shia)

Leo Garcia
Leo Garcia

Catholic
White
Never ever

Michael Thomas
Michael Thomas

He is a puppet of the liberal media. He knows nothing of the doctrine. If your religion is so much better than mine, how come so many of your popes have been of the world and not of God? Protestants have no high-priest besides Jesus himself. Jesus detested the Jewish laws and regulations that was pushed on people at the time. The Catholic church of today is just like the Jewish church if yesterday with your false doctrines and excessive rules used to keep people down. You're just like the Pharisees Jesus preached against!

Jose Foster
Jose Foster

Agreed. Our civilization and our values are much more important than this ridiculous thread. We should unite against Islam

Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen

And against the pope who wishes to welcome it into our nations

Isaac Torres
Isaac Torres

Hurr everything in the world must be about killing muzzles.
Portugal already did that job 700 years ago.
You guys are the ones with sandnigger problems.
Why the fuck should I care about your problems?

Even if the pope was a literal faggot he couldn't do shit. In fact the cardinals could fire him if he was an heretic.
And Jesus himself and the apostles and Paul defended hierarchy in the church.
Let me guess. You never read acts or Pauline epistles.

Ayden Cook
Ayden Cook

if you don't believe in my particular kind of nonsense, something very bad will happen to you!
Gotta love christard "logic".

Leo Myers
Leo Myers

we can only do one thing at a time

Jacob Hernandez
Jacob Hernandez

All evamgelic subhuman kike suckers should kill themselves.

Peace and out

Gabriel Clark
Gabriel Clark

implying I'm a k*fir

Lucas Long
Lucas Long

out
What all Mudslimes should do.

Aaron Baker
Aaron Baker

Catholics unironically think there is only one way to believe in Christ
They forget that their sect is an offshoot of The Antioch faith after The Schism began
They claim that Saint Peter founded them when he wasn't even there for The Schism's happening
They forget that Saint Peter founded The Church of Antioch instead
They disregard other sects that were directly founded by Apostles that didn't divide themselves
They spit in the face of Saint Mark by disregarding his Coptic Church.
They spit in the face of Saint Thomas by disregarding his Syrian Church
They spit in the face of Saint Thaddeus by disregarding his Armenian Apostolic Church
They do all this while pretending to be the height of moral authority
A shit load of people break away from them because of how bad they are at being good Christians
They're still mad about it and can only use "Lol ur going to hell" as their argument
They've lost all ability to debate theology and just spout traditions that people should do without saying why
They still talk shit about other sects in the same way Muslims do about each other constantly
They ignore the fact that Muslims are trying to put themselves through a resurgence of Muhammud's Empire as we fucking speak
Fuck your petty shit. You might as well be one of those faggots that unironically censors M*uslim and Bl*cks.
You're the cancer that's making Sup Forums into nu/b/ and you know it.

inb4 pretending to be retarded

Asher Cooper
Asher Cooper

not politics

Aiden Ortiz
Aiden Ortiz

All of those churches including the catholic were one in the beginning.
So we have the same founder: Saint Peter.
But over time small theological and great political and geographical reasons set us apart unfortunately.
I just hope one day we can reunite with our Eastern brothers peace be upon them.

Landon Turner
Landon Turner

/thread

Jace Peterson
Jace Peterson

He is far from the worst. Francis is nothing, the Church will be fine.

Gabriel Collins
Gabriel Collins

Meant for

Dominic Torres
Dominic Torres

nigger you wasted it

Brayden Long
Brayden Long

dat get

ouch

Blake Davis
Blake Davis

Waste of fucking digits you meme flag

William Campbell
William Campbell

The Bible never mentions the word katholikos. It was first used by St. Ignatius of Antioch in the year 107. Apologists like to mention that kath oles does appear, but that's not the same thing.

CATHOLICS BTFO.

Carter Cook
Carter Cook

faggot why

Brody Rogers
Brody Rogers

WASTEDWASTEDWASTEDWASTEDTWASTED

Camden Russell
Camden Russell

Numbers thread?

Brandon Carter
Brandon Carter

Lol, continue to be a mentally ill cucktard.

Christian Young
Christian Young

Ancap lolbertarian faggot kys

Nathaniel Myers
Nathaniel Myers

TRAD CATHOLICS ABSOLUTELY BTFO

Xavier Torres
Xavier Torres

sad get

Daniel Smith
Daniel Smith

SIX SIXES IN A CHRISTIANITY THREAD

Jose Walker
Jose Walker

Get gotten.

Catholicism BFTO

Brayden Fisher
Brayden Fisher

Super Satan has arrived.

Those were absolutely not all one church, especially not Coptics and Syrian considering that The Syrian Church was founded in India.
If East Orthodoxy and Catholicism united again one day it'd be a pretty unstoppable moral authority of Old Antioch though.

Nicholas Morris
Nicholas Morris

Agreed. Maybe after Armageddon we will be.

Liam Harris
Liam Harris

believing in fairy-tale punishments

John Sanchez
John Sanchez

mean nuns

Henry Myers
Henry Myers

Hahahah

Enjoy your pagan tree and baptism of babies

Jonathan Ortiz
Jonathan Ortiz

that image isn't about catholics!
wrong, i made it
i-i was referring to other images desu

cuck

Bentley Bell
Bentley Bell

Yes my mistake. Saint Thomas wasn't around.
But I agree that if catholics and orthodoxes came back together, Satan would shit his pants.

Isaiah Rivera
Isaiah Rivera

being a godless commie
Hell is for ever!

Carson Moore
Carson Moore

SSX*
Gotta get dat snowboardin action in, son.

Brayden Gonzalez
Brayden Gonzalez

Orthodox people have no problem with Roman Catholicism, it is vice-versa because Roman Catholicism arrogantly believes the Pope to be the spokesperson of god which is far cry from reality.

Elijah Miller
Elijah Miller

THIS

Juan Campbell
Juan Campbell

Catholicism is literally islamic religion for white people

Gabriel Moore
Gabriel Moore

Orthodox preaches holy war when necessary. Roman Catholicism preaches refugee and child fondling.

Camden Ramirez
Camden Ramirez

r-respect my christian sect!

cuck

Dominic Allen
Dominic Allen

We don't belive the Pope can do whatever he wants. He has to abide by the rules and if he misbehaves an imperfect council might be called in which the cardinals fire the pope.

I know your stand on the pope's powers is. I too have no problems with orthodoxes. I hope one day we can set out differences apart and follow the road of God together.
What's the crusades?

Hudson Thompson
Hudson Thompson

So, it is islam in disguise. First they cucked your religion, then theyy cucked you. Fucking jews, the invented Catholicism and islam to destroy the white people.

William Myers
William Myers

Ps. Who's the based dude on the pic?

Jaxon Bailey
Jaxon Bailey

BBRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

Brandon Ross
Brandon Ross

Hmm this is a contentious issue within the Roman Catholic Church. The Pope's bishops are too afraid of standing up to him.

Nolan Flores
Nolan Flores

I can relate with this a lot, in highschool i doubted god, and like a mindless sheep would sometimes just go with what the crowd was saying, But apostle Paul, is really the thing ppl who can't believe but want to should start on. Or consult someone more knowledge, as im still learning, but his story and how he went from hating christ, to believing is really something.

Ethan Kelly
Ethan Kelly

Nice try, Satan

Zachary Foster
Zachary Foster

I belong in hell so it works out
why?

Ayden Kelly
Ayden Kelly

Real Christians understand the concept of respect and harmony.

Ayden Walker
Ayden Walker

image of classic Americana
implying any member of that wholesome Anglo family would engage in degenerate popery

Wyatt Parker
Wyatt Parker

d-don't be mean to me

Real Christians sack Constantinople when they begin to act like cucks

Caleb Murphy
Caleb Murphy

You mean when the Schismatics gave Constantinople to the Turks. Well done Roman Catholicism you hopeless altar boy pizda party.

Gabriel Diaz
Gabriel Diaz

backstabbing Latin dog, enjoy eternal torment

Dylan Diaz
Dylan Diaz

Every time Pope Francis brings heresy into the Church the dissenters just pretend everything is ok.

Ian Martinez
Ian Martinez

pic again in case you didn't get it fuccboi
also how come they are dissenters if they pretend everything is ok? get your semantics right at least

payback for 1182

Christopher Cooper
Christopher Cooper

be catholic
fuck a child

Jackson Perez
Jackson Perez

Fuck Catholicism!! I reject your pope and only confess my sins to Christ!

Dylan Green
Dylan Green

They dissent in their heart but cannot bring themselves to do anything about it as they are afraid of being defrocked for not preaching Heresy.

Wyatt Ward
Wyatt Ward

The fact that you need to declare that youre a 'traditionalist' is fucking pathetic. Neck yourself cuckolic, BEGOM ORDODOS

Henry Ramirez
Henry Ramirez

except he got excommunicated for it and died in excommunion

Ryder Brooks
Ryder Brooks

We are already in hell.

Isaiah Watson
Isaiah Watson

Who?

Austin White
Austin White

Checking the best post in thread, nice quads.
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity
to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;
that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law;
that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law;
that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law;
and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
Sorry Catlicks, renouncing all fidelity to foreign sovereigns would make you no longer Catlick.

Nolan Martin
Nolan Martin

Marcel Lefebvre, , you are in a traditional Catholicism thread where the SSPX has been mentioned multiple times

Austin Morris
Austin Morris

traditionalist Catholic you are going to hell
No I don't think so. In fact you fucks better stop worshiping and praying to saints and Mary and such. It says in the Bible " No man can come to the father except through me. ". Jesus said that. Meaning you pray to Him and Him alone.
It also says to hold no other gods before God.
Which you do, by praying to saints, martyrs and the like.
You're doing it wrong. And the Bible clearly states that.

Luis Hill
Luis Hill

you know, I personally think religion is and should be a cultural thing, I respect a muslim who is a muslim as long as he is so in his own lands, even a protestant who is a protestant in protestantland, et cetera. this would include understanding and respecting you for this statement, if it weren't because burgerland is Israel's whore

Liam Ramirez
Liam Ramirez

Traditional Catholicism is just a movement that tries to solve the problems while not solving the problems stopping them from solving each problem.

Carson Green
Carson Green

o-okay

Kevin Powell
Kevin Powell

Don't get me wrong, that Burgerland is Israel's whore is also unacceptable, and our evangelicals deserve to be roasted for playing along, but let's not play "whatabout": the Pope is a foreign sovereign.

Josiah Gomez
Josiah Gomez

Where in the bible does it say that?

Owen Evans
Owen Evans

*farts in your mouth*
mmm yes my dear you like that don't you

Benjamin Martinez
Benjamin Martinez

okay then, your attitude protects your own interests and in doing so you become more trust worthy (with the exception of the italians, irish and mexicans among you, who are or should be my brothers)

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