Lefty/pol/ Thread

Marxists, Unionists, Anarchists, Progressives, Commies, Socialists, etc. discussion thread

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They can all fuck right off. Thanks.

So only faggots
No thanks slide away

get ready for an echo chamber of stupidity

It's too bad none of those systems have been tried in the real world yet, right leftists?

NOT
AN
ARGUMENT

Come to troll, stay for nothing else.

socialism has been tried, it's called scandinavia

also known as the area of the world with the highest quality of life, education and life expectancy

Move there then. Bye.

So, literally no different than most of Sup Forums?

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OH I WISH I WAS IN THE LAND OF COTTON

>progressives
congratulations you subverted yourself

how can you make sense of people on a board literally called by name politically incorrect. Incorrect in name and nature, non argument offensive rhetoric's who are slowly becoming overwhelmed by reason and a world view more tangible for all. It's the same on you tube the non-personalities pile in with reactionary shit but slowly and eventually they are tamed by the voice of the people who see through their insane toxic shite, knowing little that when your average Jo is faced by such poison will take a more lenient and compassionate path. Let em larp, role players in their own heads and that's simply it.

Ok lads; Real shit

Why do mainstream neoclassical and keynesian economists fail to recognize that private debt to GDP is the main factor as to why banks aren't lending at the rates pre-WW2 and consequently why aggregate demand is slowing down?

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism, move to nexd gountry :DDDDDDD

>not liking superior right wing femboys

most people have this death wish to be sad, ignorant, dumb and sick it's the imposition that needs to be addressed

so many cuntservative snowflakes in this thread xD

>Guys the Left is anti-intellectual, they love echo chambers and are afraid of opposing viewpoints because their own are so weak and vulnerable to scrutiny!
>(leftists make a thread on a right-controlled board)
>FUCK OFF FAGGOTS SAGE!!! PLEASE REPORT AND HIDE. NO PLATFORM

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

underrated

and also importing darkies to enrich the culture. No thanks commie

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Thought An Cap was a meme until I read this.

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Nice try shabbos--goy.

Look at the history of those countries. They gained their wealth largely from similar factors - Colonial Monarchy leading into a free market and Natural resources.

In the early 1900s Sweden had the highest GDP growth of any country in the world. Why? Because they had one of the world's freest economies. Around the 30's the socialist took over and everything went down hill. They have recently had a bit of a turn around in the last 25 or so years due to freeing up the markets (they started running out of the money they acquired during earlier eras).

>shit thread
thanks for the heads up

How do I marry?

The same Scandinavia that's imploding in upon itself due to socialist policies? Or am I thinking of the other Scandinavia?

Real shit (for real this time)

Why do Austrians believe that adding new money into an economy dilutes the value of that said existing money when they support the gold standard, which was always inflationary? The capital invested (and destroyed, including human) in adding to the gold supply in order to support nominal gold parity was immeasurable.

SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT

Fuck you commie kys suck obongo dick. Sage

You slanderer, Asuka would not be /leftypol/
She's a government agent trying to protect the world from angels and shit

Its called oil money you dumb cuck, and its a failed welfare state at that, majority of norwegians are not happy with having nigger births incentivised for example or the fact the legal system is fucked up to.

You faggots need to stop parroting the scandi socialist meme its rich in resources and small population not marxist magic.

Also dont come here we hate reds.

Came for this. Never stop.

> waaaah why won't they accommodate me and my shit opinions
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can you redpill me on market socialism

My dad's a unionist. How can I tell him to fucking not?

By whose definition of "highest quality of life" does the rape capital of the west qualify? And, those spit-roasted, cum connoisseurs can bleat all they fucking want about how much they treasure diversity and helping minorities. Everyone knows the real reason they're importing those rapist cockroaches: their socialist ponzi scheme is threatening to collapse because the birthrate in those countries isn't high enough to produce enough revenue-generating workers to pay for all the free bullshit they think they're entitled to. Now, it's backfiring on them. Their women (and men, for that matter) can't walk the streets safely, anymore. The migrants aren't getting jobs, because why would they? Free shit kicks ass, if you don't care about the country you live in, and don't worry--they don't. Those countries are more over-burdened than they already were. The ponzi scheme is going to collapse, anyway. But, please, keep perpetuating the myth about Scandinavia being the best place on earth. I will live to see those countries destroyed. I guarantee it.

Georges Sorrel was the only good thing to come out of the left, the rest is utterly retarded. Most smart rightwingers deny individualism for it's own sake. Stop being faggots and realize race is real. Zizek even said the alt-right was more legit than current "leftism" which is just the Petite bourgeoisie virtue signaling while continuing to work their bugman jobs for 100k+ year salaries.

The left means nothing without a working class and right now there isn't one. There is no reason to be a leftist in 2017.

We can have a conversation from there.

Why is leftypol so brainwashed?

Why do they actually want to be poor and enslaved?

it all doesn't work
socialism does NOT work
youtube.com/watch?v=Dr435wcXqko&feature=youtu.be

Because everyone else will be. This is lefty equality.

The fundamental problem with planned economies has always been inefficiencies with setting prices and production goals--you get surpluses and shortages of various goods.

Market socialism allows the market to set prices, which solves this problem. However, it does recapitulate some of the structure of capitalism in a way that could bring about some of the same issues.

That said, with today's data and computing power, a planned economy could perhaps be much more feasible.

You're kinda missing the point about what I asked there, which is market socialism in which values are determined by markets instead of a complete command economy like that of the Soviet/Chinese satellite states. I know it's the cliche "not my special snowflake socialism" argument but it's a legitimate functional version of socialism which formed the basis of the nordic model a lot of lefties like to parade around. Read some Lange.

The argument that computers could do all the pricing work is tossed around a lot. It would be cool if someone created some kind of macroeconomic sim to see how functional it really would be to use a computer for management, maybe with a manned virtual consumerbase to fully simulate it.

>Socialism DOES NOT WORK
>Posts video of lecture by Austrian economist
lol. Austrian economics is bullshit pseudoscience. University chairs in Austrian economics are funded by billionaires. They don't use the Austrians to guide their own financial planning, though. They pay them to convince people that it's a good idea to keep billionaires around and let them keep sucking everyone else dry.

>market socialism
Watch this video.
You CAN NOT REFUTE THIS.

Mises criticism of socialism and market socialism has not and will never be defeated.

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Don't add you union people to failed commie horseshit. We don't want to be associated with it.

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>high IQ
>homogeneously white
>low population

these are the reasons for those places success

>lol. Austrian economics is bullshit pseudoscience
Austrian economics is based on reality.

It's marxists that believe in fairy tale flat earther tier garbage like dialectical materialism.

>They pay them to convince people that it's a good idea to keep billionaires around and let them keep sucking everyone else dry.
If billionaires support austrians why didn't they all support Ron Paul?

A free market is the very LAST thing the corporate establishment wants.
Do you think they want the federal reserve gone?

Back to your cripplechan gulag, comrade cocksmoker.

>socialism has been tried, it's called scandinavia
But these are the most capitalist nations on earth.

Also Switzerland is even more free market than them and is even more successful.

Why do you people CONSTANTLY fucking lie?

those are capitalistic economies with a large welfare state.

not socialism try again sweaty :^)

I'm not entirely sold on the idea. Human input would still be needed to set the values that the computers try to maximize. But that could perhaps be democratized.

You'd be looking at a massive amount of computing power that would be needed, though. A decent sim of a simplified model would probably require a $10,000 workstation. A full economy would require server farms.

So you're admitting socialism works under those conditions?

wish more people would see this

>homogenity, small populations and high IQ will produce a good society no matter what political or economic system.

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national socialism

Sup Forums sucks now.

Would be a very interesting project for North Korea or some African country to experiment with, considering it probably wouldn't be that expensive of an investment if it was purchased directly by the government.

This market socialism shit is literally debunked here

youtube.com/watch?v=Dr435wcXqko

i'm saying the economic system is basically fucking irrelevant to the success of a nation which is more due to demographics than anything else, but if you are going to have socialism then it should be national socialism

The final stage of Anglo Aryan annihilation. You are a defeatist user. You will suffer more than anyone else when you realise you played the biggest party in your own demise.

>Austrian economics is based on reality.

Economics has moved way past Austrian economics. Austrians never test their theories empirically or via mathematical modelling--their school is often actively opposed to empirical testing.

>If billionaires support austrians why didn't they all support Ron Paul?
Oh, they don't think that Austrian economics works or is good for them. It's just beneficial to them for lots of people to think it's a good idea--Austrian arguments tend to favor reduced taxes and regulation on their activities.

Why do Austrians and Libertarians still believe in the gold system when it is incomplete in describing the monetary system we have today as well as how absolutely ineffective it is.

Don't believe me? Read up on the Long Depression and Witwatersrand 1896. Bimetallism didn’t come out of a vacuum. It was only when gold mine ‘deficits’ were finally large enough that bimetallism became a non-issue with the electorate. In fact, read up on the entire century. I know Austrians like to invoke the old time religion of purging, but fact is, many of the financial crises and depressions of the 19th century were associated with periods where new gold was in short supply.

Sovereign deficits are today’s analogue to yesteryear’s gold mine output, *except* that we don’t need to wreck entire civilizations and misallocate (malinvest???) human and other resources to bring the stuff out of the ground in order to remedy debt-fueled deflations that arise from shortages of NFAs.

third position is only valid option.

capitalism is for greedy jews
communism is for weaklings

>Economics has moved way past Austrian economics.
Modern economists are fucking retards that CAUSED the financial crises. Also the field of economics is heavily divided even to this day.

>Austrians never test their theories empirically
Because it's legit impossible to do so.

>Austrian arguments tend to favor reduced taxes and regulation on their activities.
Yes but also destroy central banking which hurts them.

>Long Depression
The long depression was basically a myth.
During this entire period wages were increasing while prices were falling.

>Bimetallism didn’t come out of a vacuum.
It was government bullshit that caused problems with this.

I have no idea go and ask a liberterian.

>Austrians never test their theories empirically

unlike Communism with its centuries long string of success after success!

Leftism: The system of theft (slavery).

Literaly Stoneage tier system.

You mean a free market and a government that doesn't have to spend anything on defense so they redirect all their funds towards social programs in a highly homogeneous society?

OFFICIAL LEFTYPOL RECRUITMENT VIDEO

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>Video attacks command economies
That literally says nothing about market socialism.

Most market socialism proposals have a multiplicity of economic actors--cooperative enterprises working much like modern-day companies, with the difference that profits go to the workers directly or are reinvested in public trusts of various kinds, such as a Universal Basic Dividend.

could you explain why the USA needs to spend 50x as much on defense as russia or china?

Daily reminder that Milton Friedman is a fucking shit for manipulating weak-minded idiots who we now call "libertarians" by claiming that inflation was caused by "printing money" rather than actual measurable causes like the oil embargo in 1970, aroudn the same time Friedman was spouting off bullshit

Why are socialists so painfully unfunny and stupid?

>That literally says nothing about market socialism.
No, he later goes into market socialism, please watch the rest of the vid.

>Most market socialism proposals have a multiplicity of economic actors--cooperative enterprises working much like modern-day companies, with the difference that profits go to the workers directly or are reinvested in public trusts of various kinds, such as a Universal Basic Dividend.
Which is fucking stupid because the working class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods and the workers would have the same exact living standards in your dumb system.
Probably worse living standards due to inefficient planning.

Friedman wasn't even a libertarian.
We prefer mises or rothbard.

sage
fucking sage...

KYS you commie faggots

Nevertheless, my point still stands.

"Leftism" exists in an imaginary bubble with a self-defined dichotomy where they are perpetually in a state of oppression and struggle. The idea of "left" and "right" can be attributed to marx, and it has done nothing but cause complete and total societal cancer of the highest order.

We had the right idea in the 50's and 60's - nuclear holocaust to every commie.

FUCK OFF WITH THE SAINT PEPSI.

Saint pepsi hates commies.

>Modern economists are fucking retards that CAUSED the financial crises. Also the field of economics is heavily divided even to this day.

Sure, economics is divided. But the vast majority agree that Austrian economics is trash.

But it wasn't economists that caused the crash--it was greedy bankers. They created real estate derivatives that shielded private banks from the cost of risky loans, thus incentivizing banks to make those loans. The holders of the derivatives then created credit default swaps to shield themselves from the risk of the derivatives. The credit ratings agencies were paid off to not look too deeply into the credit-worthiness of the derivatives. This created a bubble, and when it burst, the credit default swaps set off an economic bomb.

Bankers did it, not economists.

>Impossible to test economic ideas empirically
lol no. You can model your assumptions, run them through a computer, and see how well they match up with the performance actual economies.

The creation of virtual economies via MMOs and other online shared spaces has made it dead easy to test various economic ideas.

>Austrian economics destroys central banking, hurting the billionaires
Yes. That is why Austrians are never granted much influence. They just publish policy papers which swing right-wing politicians to the left a bit.

Why the hell do you think they fund the chairs? Where do you think the Von Mises institute gets its money?

that's what i was trying to get at, that page is a nightmare.

When will we finally have real communism lads?
This is the one right, there won't be an inefficient government run by a powermad central government and dictator that will kill all dissenters and starve the people this time right?
People won't lose all incentive to work because they get no benefits from working hard right?
Right!?

How is that anyway related to that argument?
Scandinavian nations can and will redistribute its taxes to most of the other because its a highly homogeneous state..The same is done in Japan too.The same can't be done in US.Because people in the nation percieve each other as 'the other' group.I live in a non homogenous nation(Currently rank around 5th in diversity) and people here constantly complain about the poorest region in the nation draining from the rest to the point some have even asked for secession in that name.One of the prime motivation for secession in Catalonia is because its economically better off than rest of Spain.I am pretty sure Americans too complain about 'those rednecks and blacks from villages'.

is nazbol a legit political ideology?

I hate liberalism but I have a soft spot for the working class and the downtrodden.

>muh welfare state = socialism
fuck off classcuck

It's an ideology, but it's crap.

You don't have to choose between disliking liberalism and liking socialism. Socialism is intrinsically opposed to liberalism.

well my big issue with socialism is all the gay shit about dissolving families, denying racial truths and egalitarianism.

I'm a fascist more or less, but nazbol seems interesting.

>But the vast majority agree that Austrian economics is trash.
Because they're brainwashed keynesian retards.
Every economic ideology believes the other ones are trash.

>But it wasn't economists that caused the crash--it was greedy bankers.
No, it was the government that printed trillions of dollars and pumped it into the housing sector, that along with government intervention and fannie and freddie.

Without central banks, the housing collapse wouldn't have happened.

>Bankers did it, not economists.
Who gave these bankers trillions of dollars.
The federal reserve.
Who sucks the most cock of the federal reserve?
Economists.

>classcuck
Is this what commies call anyone that doesn't want to be enslaved by the state?
Is this what commies call anyone that doesn't want to be poor?

lol

Also you forgot to add 'homogeneous population'
But that might change in a few decades

I don't give a shit about the economics as long as the system is national. National communism, national socialism or national capitalism are fine as long as they cherish the nation and protect it from threats.