There is no such thing as Purgatory. Only Heaven and Hell exists

Purgatory is not in the Bible. It's a made up word invented by Catholic scums to get money.
You Catholics sure are dumb

Purgatory is the only way for the christian afterlife to make any sense. Otherwise, only newborn children would ever get into heaven, since there is no one else who never committed any sin.

>What if people did good things, but don't believe in Jesus Christ?
They will burn in hell.
>What about babies? They don't know Jesus Christ.
They will go to heaven.

Forgiveness cleans us of sin.

Babies don't have sin. They will go to heaven

Luke 18:15-16

The Little Children and Jesus
15 People were also bringing babies to Jesus for him to place his hands on them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. 16 But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

1 Corinthians 7:14
14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

>Kirishitan in 2667
wow
Hello

Anyhow, the latter is not Christian orthodoxy, most of the churches claim that unbaptised children go to hell

Then what's the point of hell to begin with?
Yes, I know, the problem is that no one else does. Babies would go to heaven because they have never committed any sin. The only other people to go to heaven would be those that were born pagan and were baptized right before their death, like Emperor Constantine. Every other person would go to hell because they have committed sins since they were baptized and, lacking purgatory, have no way to make up for them and still go to heaven.

Those young innocent children who did not commit sin will go to heaven.

Those people who believed in Jesus Christ were baptized, confessed their sins to God through Jesus Christ, are saved and will go to heaven.

read St. Augustine mate in Epistle to Boniface
or here I have a quote
"Be assured, and doubt not, that not only men who have attained the use of their reason, but also little children who have begun to live in their mothers' womb and have there died, or who, having been just born, have passed away from the world without the sacrament of holy baptism, administered in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, must be punished by the eternal torture of undying fire; for although they have committed no sin by their own will, they have nevertheless drawn with them the condemnation of original sin, by their carnal conception and nativity." (sec. 70.)"

Chalcedonians NOT EVEN ONCE

Who the fuck is St. Augustine, Is he in the Bible? No he is not. Shut the fuck up with this Saint stuff that are noncanon to the Bible

Yes, but what of the sins they have committed since then?

St. Augustine is pro-Sola Scriptura and proto-Protestant though, saint or no saint he's still very important to western church philosophy
again I say Chalcedonian trinitarianism is cancer and blight upon the world

Hellsing ended awfully. Alucard should have stayed dead.

Also, Major was the true hero of the show.

Are you some kind of Faggot OP?
Go read the huge ass section in the front. It's the Jew part. Jews don't believe in hell they believe in Purgatory. The New Testament and the moron Christians reinterpreted that shit as Hell and full of fire, and when people pointed out "Oh shit this cruel" they pulled out the Jew Excuse and called it Purgatory

Then why do we baptize babies.
>English schoolteacher literally cannot answer this
Hebrew baby Jesus, Messiah of the Israelites and King of the Jews btfo

Hell is a pagan concept that was slipped into Christianity during nicea.

Gehenna literally means "the grave" and the only everlasting punishment was seperation from god, eternal darkness wich is the total anihilation. The bible also literally states that those in the grave are aware of nothing as if they were asleep.

Everyone will have eternal life, but those who have not come to christ will have eternal life with everlasting reproaches (shame).

Hell is a pagan/catholic doctrine. It makes God an evil demiurg and plays right into the hands of satan - alienating people from scripture.

>Purgatory is not in the Bible
Purgatory isn't in YOUR Bible because the Protestant reformers took out the books that refer to it because they contained reference to it. Google the Apocrypha.

Which version of the bible does it say purgatory exosts?

Only if baptised, otherwise they still have original sin.
This. How else could imperfection come into direct contact with perfection (God)? Note that purgatory is not a punishment, it is purification. A metaphor would be putting on nice clothes and getting a haircut before a wedding or in the example Christ used, a king's banquet.
>Matthew 25:46 And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
I don't know what part of that is confusing. The human soul is eternal.

>it exists because an ancient jew wrote a book about it

The OT originally teaches that death leads to Sheol, which Greeks translate as Hades. This is interpreted as simple death, and as final. Much later down the line, the prophets taught a bit about resurrection, however some of this was referring to the "resurrection" of the Jewish people through a continued lineage, after the destruction of the Temple. By Jesus's time, when there had been significant influence of Greek philosophy on the Jews, the idea of "resurrection" had become much more popular. The strict orthodox Sadducees refused to accept it. The Pharisees, who are the origin of modern Rabbinic movement, had mixed feelings on it but ultimately supported the idea of some sort of resurrection. Jesus of course supported the resurrection.

That they had "Purgatory" as a concept doesn't make much sense though. Purgatory refers to a temporary place of fiery torment that is used to purge someone of the remaining effects of their sin. It applies only to venial (forgivable) sin and not to mortal sin, which damns a person to eternal torture. It is a uniquely Catholic doctrine, and has basis in various places in the Bible, including the NT and deuterocanon/apocrypha.

The idea of endless fire as a punishment actually first shows up in the Bible in the final verse of Isaiah. Jesus was very fond of Isaiah and his prophecy.

>Purgatory is not in the Bible
>Therefore it's not real
christcuck logic, everyone

Oh look another Papist who believes every shit the pope says. Are you going buy a ticket to heaven?

Hell as a place of eternal torment does not exist in the bible. Otherwise Jesus would have gone to it, even though he did not commit any sin (the same word translated with "Hell" is used to describe where he was after his death).
Also this blasphemes God who punished Israel for sacrificing their sons in fire to Moloch, something he hated.

This, although Gehenna means a bit more than the common grave, from which there is a resurrection. It means the "second death". Permanent eternal death without any hope.

>>Matthew 25:46 And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
>I don't know what part of that is confusing. The human soul is eternal.
In the original text the meaning is closer to "cutting off" than to punishment.
The soul is not at all eternal. The bible mentions souls dying all the time.
Take the account of the flood. It is said that only 8 souls survived.

The immortal soul as an intelligent part of humans that persists after death is completely pagan. Both in the Hebrews and the greek scriptures of the bible death is a state of inaction, like sleep.

And yet Jesus proved them wrong. God had resurrected people in the past and this was not some sort of abstract "ressurect through lineage" kinda stuff. It was those physical people living again.

you can see the memories of the people that are in the purgatory in the form of ghosts.

>Otherwise Jesus would have gone to it

Sorry I don't understand. Why would Jesus have gone to hell?

>you can see the memories of the people that are in the purgatory in the form of ghosts.

Where did you learn this?

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.
On the third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

Confession and some Hail Mary's m8.. It's like you don't even Catholic.

Didn't Dante make this shit up?

Confessing your dirty secrets to a human with no Godlike powers and Praying to a dead human? Ha laughable

Every Bible that contains the Apocrypha.

Can you give a name if book, chapter and verse?

Because the word that is translated with "Hell" and which is understood to mean a place or torment, is also used to describe where he was "You will not leave me in Hell" IIRC. Of course its a translation error.
Hel, used to mean "cover" so yeah, he was in the grave (sheol being used in the original text), though not in hell. Therefore all mention of Hell in the bible dissapear suddenly.

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Jesus decsended into hell, came back to Earth, ascended into heaven, saving the dead souls that were waiting for him to be glorified.

Hell also isn't in the bible

Matthew 10:28
28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

2Peter 2:4
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;

Mark 9:43
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched

>Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
The original text reads Gehenna, or GeHinom, meaning the valley of Hinom, a real place at that time outside of Jerusalem where refuse and the corpses of executed criminals were burnt. Never, EVER were those criminals killed by the fire.
Gehenna therefore stands for total destruction, not torment.

>4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell
Again, mistranslation: The word used here is Tartarus (literally: tartarized). Tartarus was one of the underworlds of the greek mythology, however NOT for humans.
There were NO humans in Tartarus, only all kinds of mythological creatures.
Here too there is not hell at all. This darkness refers to the state of inaction and being removed from the presence of God.

>han having two hands to go into hell,
again: Gehenna, not hell.

Gehenna:
The Greek name for the Valley of Hinnom, southwest of ancient Jerusalem. (Jer 7:31) It was prophetically spoken of as a place where dead bodies would be strewn. (Jer 7:32; 19:6) There is no evidence that animals or humans were thrown into Gehenna to be burned alive or tormented. So the place could not symbolize an invisible region where human souls are tormented eternally in literal fire. Rather, Gehenna was used by Jesus and his disciples to symbolize the eternal punishment of “second death,” that is, everlasting destruction, annihilation.—Re 20:14; Mt 5:22; 10:28.

as for Tartarus:


In the Christian Greek Scriptures, a prisonlike abased condition into which the disobedient angels of Noah’s day were cast. At 2 Peter 2:4, the use of the verb tar·ta·roʹo (to “cast into Tartarus”) does not signify that “the angels who sinned” were cast into the pagan mythological Tartarus (that is, an underground prison and place of darkness for the lesser gods). Rather, it indicates that they were abased by God from their heavenly place and privileges and were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God’s bright purposes. Darkness also marks their own eventuality, which the Scriptures show is everlasting destruction along with their ruler, Satan the Devil. Therefore, Tartarus denotes the lowest condition of abasement for those rebellious angels. It is not the same as “the abyss” spoken of at Revelation 20:1-3.

It's the lake of fire. When the world ends.

I don't think this is right, but I'll look more into it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.