How exactly does two men being allowed to sign a piece of paper harm the sanctity of your heterosexual marriage?
Where did it all go so right?
Thomas Moore
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Parker Moore
Because it's a tradition going back thousands of years. In pretty much all cultures around the globe.
What exactly is marriage, without the tradition? You can still love someone without being married. You can still sign a document of shared ownership of things without being married. The only thing is the tradition. Faggots marrying goes against that tradition and hence undermines it as a whole.
Dylan Morgan
I genuinely don't care if two men get married, just don't do it in a Church
James Rivera
So you can't actually answer my question?
Dominic Butler
What if the church allows it?
Juan Hughes
They won't. Marriage is defined in the Bible as man and women and for procreation. If they change the meaning of their Bible then the entire religion means nothing.
Christian Ross
They can and do:
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You can get emotional about every case or you can accept this as a reality. Churches in most countries have always had the religious freedom to marry gay people. That is not regulated by the state. The ability to sign a secular legal document allowing joint asset however, is not a religious concept nor pertains to churches.
James Reed
pushed it juuuuust too far with this one. bad bait
Elijah Garcia
Its not a real marriage. Its a mock marriage made to insult your family and confuse your children.
Communists attack every culture and tradition of the target country. The family is just one traditional institution they are out to destroy.
Oliver Thompson
So these people are not raising kids?
Austin Adams
Because it reduces marriage to a fashion accessory just because "fags want it".
Luis Wood
No need to discuss anything, TBDesu.
AIDS will take care of the problem eventually.
Adam Thomas
Custody and property sharing arrangements are about fashion? International marriages recognized abroad are solely done for fashion?
Jacob Jones
AIDS is declining in every developed country.
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White gays experience a dramatic decline in new HIV infections:
HIV infection decreases globally by a third:
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HIV infection rate in the US falls by a third in a decade
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UK HIV decrease:
gov.uk
AU HIV decease:
HIV came from Haiti to New York
Nathaniel Baker
There are churches that encouraged women to become prositutes to raise money for them. They're called fucked up cults.
At best a homo pro homo church is a secular "community center" siphoning government money and masquerading as a church, at worst it is a fucked up cult.
Nathan Williams
grooming them yes
Jaxson Baker
So how does a secular court then undermine the sanctity of religious marriage by allowing two men to sign a property sharing arrangement?
Josiah Nguyen
Yeah those are civil unions. The principle of a marriage is for procreation - fags cannot do this, even in principle.
Joseph Scott
What about lesbians?
Thomas Lee
So these people aren't raising kids? Straight people don't use IVF?
Jordan Young
Because it makes some mentally ill faggot's whim to be seen as normal equivocal with a pillar of society that is thousands of years old.
Gay men for starters are not monogamous at all even if married (have you ever heard of a gay marriage dissolving over an affair? No. they just get "bored"). The whole thing is an empty fashion statement so they can look cool at weddings.
Tell me about your gay husband.
Gavin Stewart
they do it even more
I was friends with a kid with lesbo parents
he was pretty screwed up and tried to grab everybody's balls
Xavier Cook
The fact that you're shilling this hard says it all. It's not enough for gays to simply be tolerated. No, you need to force everyone else to embrace it.
Daniel Adams
Is being gay a mental illness?
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I don't care if you hate me for being gay, I care if you try to restrict my rights.
Charles Murphy
Raising kids? No. Not in principle at best they are sheltering them, at worst they are brainwashing and abusing them. They are incapable of providing proper gender role models, and pushing a healthy society and its values forward. A gay family is a fashion statement. You should take ten seconds and google what straight adults have to say about growing up in a gay household.
Dominic Torres
When your rights infringe mine, we a problem.
Aaron Allen
They are raising kids same as anyone else.
Science agrees:
Science on gays as parents:
Parental Sexual Orientation and Children's Psychological Well-Being: 2013–2015 National Health Interview Survey:
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Nontraditional Families and Childhood Progress Through School:
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www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-144_307_Amicus_%20(C_%20Gottlieb)_ASA_Same-Sex_Marriage.pdf
Farr, R. H. (2017). Does parental sexual orientation matter? A longitudinal follow-up of adoptive families with school-age children. Developmental Psychology, 53(2), 252-264.
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How Does the Gender of Parents Matter?
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Mormons don't have a right to polygamous marriage.
Hudson Stewart
>Mormons don't have a right to polygamous marriage.
And why is that?
Joshua Campbell
>Is being gay a mental illness?
Having narcissism to the degree that you wish to play roulette with the values and pillars of society just to put forward some veneer of normalcy while spending your evening engaged in as unhealthy a practice as gay sex must be somewhere.
A whopping 17% percent of the APA voted to take it out of the DSM-IV due to political pressure from greasebags like Harvey Milk.
Two things: 1. Gay Marriage is a sham. 2. Homosexuality is unhealthy. 3.Homosexuality is a comorbid symptom of many mental illnesses.
Tyler Sanders
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The Court considered whether Reynolds could use religious belief or duty as a defense. Reynolds had argued that as a Mormon, it was his religious duty as a male member of the church to practice polygamy if possible.
The Court recognized that under the First Amendment, the Congress cannot pass a law that prohibits the free exercise of religion. However it held that the law prohibiting bigamy did not meet that standard. The principle that a person could only be married singly, not plurally, existed since the times of King James I of England in English law, upon which United States law was based.
The Court investigated the history of religious freedom in the United States and quoted a letter from Thomas Jefferson in which he wrote that there was a distinction between religious belief and action that flowed from religious belief. The former "lies solely between man and his God," therefore "the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions." The court considered that if polygamy was allowed, someone might eventually argue that human sacrifice was a necessary part of their religion, and "to permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself." The Court believed the First Amendment forbade Congress from legislating against opinion, but allowed it to legislate against action.
Jaxon Thompson
Should we treat the disabled worse for being blind? Should we allow religious people to deny having to build handicap-friendly entrances to publicly open businesses?
Gabriel Anderson
Since the APA vote and the "freakouts" of the 70s and the infiltration of the academia by radical leftists, the social sciences as a whole have lost credibility.
David Ramirez
So do women deserve less rights for having a higher incidence of breast cancer?
How does this mean gays being allowed to marry (they exist anyways with cancer or without) affects the sanctity of your straight marriage, which was m original question?
Nolan Carter
>Should we treat the disabled worse for being blind?
Should we pretend that they can see, because it makes them feel good? Should we give them jobs they are basically unequipped for and then reduce the status and integrity of the profession to their level so they can fit in?
Juan Sanchez
Nobody is pretending blind people can see. I am asking how allowing gays to marry affects the sanctity of your straight marriage.
Nicholas Hall
>So do women deserve less rights for having a higher incidence of breast cancer?
No but we really should look at gay men's sexual practices which result in them contracting weird shit like shigella, trichonosis, and hiv at insane rates as unhealthy and not enshrine them in marriage.
Adrian Richardson
How would allowing gay men to marry make us more promiscuous? Curious logic. These diseases are also far more prevalent in blacks than whites and we place no restrictions on marrying by race. Shame not a single person here can DIRECTLY answer how allowing gays to marry affects the sanctity of your straight marriage, or affects you directly at all.
Evan Johnson
>checked
>truth
but from a leaf? amazing, bravo
Blake Smith
>Shame not a single person here can DIRECTLY answer how allowing gays to marry affects the sanctity of your straight marriage
So you acknowledge the sanctity of marriage?
Kayden Watson
>Nobody is pretending blind people can see.
You're pretending gay people can be married -
it's equivocal. Gays aren't equipped for that type of human connection.
>I am asking how allowing gays to marry affects the sanctity of your straight marriage.
I already told you. It reduces it to a fashion statement. Marriage is not just a declaration of property, not just the signing of papers but the moral underpinnings of society going back thousands of years. There are cultural and biological reasons for straight marriage. Gays have NONE.
Straight divorce has shot up since gay marriage has become law, as society has lost its cultural underpinning for upholding marriage in general, making more people, sharing values and connecting to the future etc.
Things a nihilist consumerist faggot is incapable of understanding, much less embracing.
The only reason why gays want to get married is because they believe it is just another thing they can consume.
Ryder Baker
Did your fag friends tell you 'it's ok, it's them, not you' when your parents rejected your faggotry? If not, that's the way it should be, homosexuals should be shamed and ostracized.
Jacob Jones
Exactly because it reduces marriage to a piece of paper
Juan Howard
>How would allowing gay men to marry make us more promiscuous? Curious logic.
How would taking someone who engages in eightsomes on the weekend to his subculture's applause and slapping a ring on his finger make him less promiscuous? There's no genetic investment, no connection to the future, and no vested sense of responsibility.
Kayden Ramirez
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Elijah Morgan
>These diseases are also far more prevalent in blacks than whites and we place no restrictions on marrying by race
Blacks have a DL problem and are naturally more prone to certain diseases.
>Shame not a single person here can DIRECTLY answer how allowing gays to marry affects the sanctity of your straight marriage, or affects you directly at all.
I have already explained it. But you are a nihilist with no real interest in connection to the future or the past and only care about the here and now. These are spiritual truths as old as mankind itself. You probably will never understand it. You probably don't have a fucking soul.
Mason Sanchez
That some religious people consider it holy? Absolutely. Civil marriage has a long history in the United States and makes no bones about sanctity. How does gay civil marriage harm you or even affect you at all? Something not coinciding with your self interest doesn't make it immoral.
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Gay people can be married. Your brain getting hard from dicks doesn't change that.
Marriage is the signing of paper about property sharing. Anything more is a fantasy you have enshrined to defend perceived self-interest that you conflate with an automatic morality.
What percent of straight couples are monogamous?
Lucas Parker
They gain new privileges (like tax cuts) without taking responsibility of childbearing.
James James
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Lincoln Cook
The realistic answer has always been to remove the legal-standing component from marriage and make it a purely religious instrument, with the civil union contract being something you do separately. Or alternately, stop recognizing interpersonal unions in any legal capacity, remove related tax codes, etc.
Brody Jones
So churches would then regulate child custody?
David Barnes
Pedophiles that will ruin those kids life for sure.
Bentley Diaz
So all gays and all lesbians are pedos? What about gays with female kids? Lesbians with male kids?
Lucas Butler
Legislators should have invented new term for gay unions and leave 'marriage' to men and women. Because of this confusion they are allowed to adopt kids which is just criminally antisocial.
Julian Young
All homos with kids are deviants, pedos.
Joseph Jackson
It's making a mockery of a sacred institution: an oath made between a man and a woman in the presence of God and the community. Even the fact that the gay community represents itself with a rainbow is a slap in the face to Christianity.
Nolan Phillips
Definitely no antisocial straight couples!
Ayden Howard
Ok so if they are a gay couple and only have female kids, how does that work?
So what about straight civil marriage?
William Cox
Straight civil marriage reduces the sanctity etc. I just mentioned to a legally binding contract. It dilutes the substance and gravity of marriage, but it's not an abomination like homosexuality. Both are bad, one worse than the other.
Dominic Rodriguez
>ko-ko-ko, holier than thou!
Ok so if they are a gay couple and only have female kids, how does that work?
Are you dim or what? All homos who have custody of child of any sex is pedophile deviant motherfucker, that should be roofed.
Andrew Baker
These fags are just signing their own death certificate. They will eventually die from aids.
Parker Powell
So churches only should handle child custody and secular people should be forbidden from marrying? Sort of sounds like Israel...
Tyler Diaz
You'd need to move to a country where Sharia or similar theocratic law is practiced if that's the way you wanted to determine such things.
Nathaniel Nelson
>Gay people can be married. Your brain getting hard from dicks doesn't change that.
>Marriage is the signing of paper about property sharing. Anything more is a fantasy you have enshrined to defend perceived self-interest that you conflate with an automatic morality.
So here we have the post modern fag that requires us to accept the idea of marriage as a purely materialist construct. And then expects us to be able to explain and have him understand the idea of sacredness.
They can't be married you retarded goof. They can sign papers and scissor and fuck each other in the ass it is not the same thing.
Gabriel Cox
Ok but everyone here wants to ban civil marriage but doesn't want sharia either....
Sort of like some sort of, white sharia, perhaps?
Zachary Gonzalez
Marriage ensures people are happy and healthy. Straight people have anal sex and it doesn't invalidate their marriages. How does them having gay sex harm you directly?
Alexander Martinez
>What percent of straight couples are monogamous?
Significantly less since gay marriage became the final nail in the coffin of meaningful productive marriage as the norm in the west.
Blake Ward
gay men=constant infidelity and lack of emotional stability doesn't really produce stable environment for childbearing(on average).no to mention much more often pederasty than in hetero population.
interesting how lesbians don't have any of these problems, they fuckup by buing too much into lefty ideological BS, like HC feminism, gender studies etc..can be dangerous to children as well, but still lower when compared to gay men.
Carson White
If secular people want to have their civil union or whatever, it doesn't bother me but to conflate that with making an oath before God by calling them the same thing (marriage) dilutes the sanctity, gravity and meaning of the word.
As far as the church deciding child custody, historically that's never been an issue because divorce has always been rare until relatively recently. If they do divorce (aside from the reason of adultery), they've already broken the oath they made and at that point any logistical issues such as child custody can be sorted out by the state like it already is.
Liam Wood
Do you have a source?
Hudson Williams
The study, titled “Choices: Perspectives of Younger Gay Men on Monogamy, Non-monogamy and Marriage,” was conduced by researchersBlake Spears and Lanz Lowen. They surveyed over 800 single, monogamously-coupled, and non-monogamously coupled gay menages 18-40 years about their relationships. A handful of “monogamish” men were also interviewed.
“The most striking finding of this study is younger gay men’s greater inclination toward monogamy,” the researchers report. “We see this in the overwhelming number of relationships that are monogamous (86percent). In addition, 90percentof the single younger gay men were seeking monogamy. This is a sea change compared to older generations of gay men.”
thecouplesstudy.com
Isaac Long
Rosenfeld 2014:
Tyler Ross
>Marriage ensures people are happy and healthy
Is this the only reason of marriage, fag friend, your own personal fulfillment? Like buying a Coach bag or some shit? Is it truly that frivolous? Are there, I dunno millions of other people who don't see it that way?
Samuel Turner
So why has nobody ever proposed laws banning civil marriage? How would that not infringe on separation of church and state? I get that you want a theocracy, but others don't and you picked the wrong country to have one.
Luis Rodriguez
It is an important factor, no? Don't you want your fellow citizens to be happy and healthy?
Jordan Adams
What I'm describing is far from a theocracy, in fact I'm advocating more separation from church and state. I'm saying let marriage belong solely to the church, and a civil union be a purely secular thing. Let a marriage be the ceremony and oath with no secular ramifications, and let a civil union be a secular contract with no religious connotations.
Christopher Hughes
>How exactly does two men being allowed to sign a piece of paper harm the sanctity of your heterosexual marriage?
Because the political movement dedicated to getting gay marriage passed won't disappear once they get their way. In order to justify their continued existence they will task themselves with normalizing every bizzarro gay fetish they can to the point of exposing children to trannies.
I didn't oppose gay marriage in my country before it passed. Now I wish I had because once that battle was lost the true push towards degeneracy began.
This is the future you choose Australia.
Bentley Kelly
So you would invalidate the majority of Americans who choose not to get religiously married?
Jayden Johnson
Personally, I don't give a rats ass if some faggots want to get married. The problem arises when they want to adopt children so they can raise an already traumatized child in the house of two mentally ill degenerates for parents.
Brody Murphy
>Don't you want your fellow citizens to be happy and healthy?
A civil union would perform the same function and step on a lot less toes.
Cameron Hughes
You cannot rationality define morality. It's something you have to feel. Imagine a hunter kills a deer to at it. But before he eats it he has sex with the corpse. I can't really put into words why that is wrong but I know it is and most people would agree that it is. I look at fags and i just know they are immoral abominations
Ryan Hill
Prove it. Civil unions never offered the full benefits of marriage or they would have just been called marriage. In Australia civil unions specifically existed to deny couples who had gay married abroad recognition domestically.
Gabriel Taylor
The bible isn't law and could give a fuck what it says about fags, Israel, or anything else.
With that being said...
Fags are not normal. And liberals are always trying to normalize shit. Democrat politicians don't really give a fuck about fags or niggers. They need a problem to go on and on so they gets votes in hope that the problems will get fixed this time around.
OP, you can link all the citations you want. I don't care enough about faggots to keep a list of links to paste at a moments notice.
However, I will say this. Your citations mean shit. These "scientific studies" are funded by government grants. Results don't fit the narrative? Don't get the grant. You know, like global warming studies? Same thing.
Fags need legal marriage to legitimize themselves as normal. That's all what this is about. Maybe to piss off christcucks at best.
Trannies can fuck off. I'll be polite, but how far do I have to participate in your tranny make-believe?
Finally, fags can get married, what are you bitching about?
David Baker
Also, this.
Nathan Allen
I look at evangelical Christians and have the same reaction.
Zachary Thompson
Most gay people just want to be left alone by Christians.
Eli Perez
How is it invalidating them? If they chose not to get religiously married, they likely aren't religious and don't believe in God etc. which of course is their right. So they have a civil union, they can have a ceremony and reception, tax break, societal benefits etc. but the point is that they don't diminish the sanctity of marriage by calling it that. It is a separate thing. Their civil union would not be invalidated, it's still legally totally valid and recognized.
Charles Martinez
Homosexuality is morally wrong and if you don't realize that, then you are clearly an aberration. Homosexuals have been universally abhorred through out history
Bentley Butler
I never even thought about homos until this shit started. After learning about your true colours and intentions I would honestly stand by and watch a societal uprising where each and every one of you get dragged from your homes and lynched without lifting a single finger to stop it.
Dylan Jackson
They want the dignity that being able to call their loved one husband/wife confers and you cannot deny them that.
Opinions are like assholes.
Wyatt Powell
Pedophiles would also like to be left alone so they can sin in peace
Anthony Clark
Nigger you're destroying an ancient social institution in pursuit of a shiny object "the gay marriage". Complete frivolity and utter selfishness. I've stopped caring about your rights a long time ago.
Julian Harris
Why even bother posting this?
You are never going to see it from our point of view and we are never going to see it from yours.
Liam Watson
The moral of the story is that the government should have 0 bearing on your marriage.
Levi Johnson
You can rationally define morality and the people feeding you the subjectivist rhetoric are sociopaths who feel no empathy and have no innate sense of right or wrong because their brains are fucking busted, kind of like how faggots have busted brains in the way they want to fuck people of the same sex.
Thomas Moore
>Opinions are like assholes.
Those of gay men are abnormal and diseased?
Landon Flores
We are capable of making meaningful distinctions between those who are attracted to the same sex and those who prefer only sex with pre-pubescent children as humans. You conflating the two shows you have no argument besides fallacious false equivalencies.
Landon Campbell
Look im not a homophobe but gays are objectively useless, AIDS ridden faggots who should get back in the closet
Carson Ward
Marriage existed prior to and alongside Christianity. It is not exclusive to one religion. Property-sharing arrangements are human.
Daniel Martinez
Hope you never get sick and a have a gay doctor.