I Am Pro Life, Change My Mind

I would like to honestly hear from those who believe the opposite and hear why my mind should be changed.

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Only shitty people, who would be even shittier parents, have abortions.

does that mean you are for or against abortion?

For

Why?......Why are you for abortion?

Be pro choice and always choose life. Let shitskins and trash kill their spawn

Crowder is such a hack in these debates. He goes in on completely retarded definitions of the words he uses and ignores arguments of his opponents by loudly repeating the same thing again and again.
Then he accuses his opponents of not being able to argue.

>Be pro choice and always choose life.

What do you mean by that?

eugenics

Exactly, even here despite bolsa esmola, hospitals are full with teenagers aborting with citotec. It is for the best they don't reproduce.

He means that if his wife gets raped by a nigger, he will choose life because muh abstract egalitarian morality instead of objective morality.

pro choice kills babies, pro life doesn't
on the downside, pro choice gives women a choice

If you watch carefully... that's how modern debate goes everywhere.
Neither side addresses the arguments of the other side because that puts them on the defensive, and gish gallop wins over the audience in that situation.
Going on the offensive and having a position that is impossible to defeat and is persuasive, appeals to emotion, appeals to authority, etc. wins.
That's because people don't have infinite RAM, they cannot process all the steps of logical reasoning to arrive at the correct conclusion, so they just go with the most passionately speaking person and assume they must be right.

They're wording is pro choice. which means you can choose to either abort or not abort.

So if I had the choice, I'd choose to abort the nigger rape baby..

You fucking idiot. You don't get to choose, because you're not the woman. Pro choice is a feminist issue and it's all about taking power away from men.

If it was agains't the law I wouldn't get to choose anyway.

Also any woman who tells me I wouldn't have a say gets no respect and would have an accidental tumble down the stairs anyway.

Why not? Like what is the actual negative consequence of having control over your own reproduction?

Ignore meme flags.

It means more blacks.
Convinced?

I think the argument some are making is if you want the baby and the woman doesn't, you're screwed. Even if abortion is illegal, a woman who doesn't want your baby even though you do has no respect for you or the baby and will probably do anything to self abort.

Why would anyone want to have a baby with scum like that

I don't want to pay for someone else's kid
if they want to stop the passing of their genes they should be able to

the same way people should be able to end their lives if they are in terrible pain

life is shit and then you die, if you can't provide for a kid, there is no reason to put us all through the ordeal of trying to make this work

it's just practical.

the person getting the abortion loses their progeny. if you are a man and your woman does this without you knowing you just DODGED a BULLET, divorce now, thank me later

not all fucks end up as a child, nor should they

I can understand that....but why would you try to knock up a woman that doesn't want a kid? Thats asinine

I'm pro-infanticide, change my mind.

you don't always try to knock up someone, it just happens sometimes due to complications

so if not both of you are committed to raising the child it is easier for the entire planet to just stop it as soon as possible

if the kid is viable you are just being an asshole, just put it up for adoption if you have wasted 6 months not making up your mind, another 3 won't hurt

there are tons of people who can't have kids and want one

Yeah I can never make it past 5-6 minutes of these videos of his. If he's not ignoring arguments he's debating actual autistic or at least extremely shy people who just buckle because he's more aggressive and came super prepared.

If the baby isn't white or asian, it's fucked.

Black orphans almost always end up in juvinile hall.

Always keeping the baby is just not reasonable. In today's society people are starting to make money later because they stay in school longer and because teens are stupid they get pregnant sometimes. And having a baby at 17 or 18 for most people is just not something they can deal with. Before having a baby a couple should be sure they will stay together because single parenting is retarded. Also at least some financial stability should be provided so the mother doesn't work and can care for the children

Also degenerate families where a child would just due to bad parenting and environment never be a useful member of society should be forced to abort

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>I Am Pro Life, Change My Mind

Do you support:
>capital punishment, that has killed innocent prisoners
>foreign bombing campaigns, that has killed pregnant civilians and their unborn babies
>cutting social programs, that deny babies, infants, toddlers, etc access to food, shelter, and health care

If you support any of these things, you are not really pro-life.

Pro life is a code word for pro non-white.

>I Am Pro Life, Change My Mind
Is your life really worth living, after all? I mean, you come to Sup Forums of all places to find people to talk to, so your life must be completely unlivable and worthless.

Did that change your mind a little?

We are not talking about Crowder. You are talking to me (who is not Stephen Crowder).

I would like you to convince me why I should change my mind.THIS

maybe true, but I only mention this because Crowder ends up debating 'when is it a baby and not a fetus'

if it's viable it means you were late, if you could go through half the pregnancy go through with it and give it up.

killing babies isn't something I want to be involved in.

I don't care for moral arguments, just the fact that it really is fucked up to kill a baby for what is basically an inconvenience

ok then to eliminate semantics.....lets call it pro-abortion or anti abortion.

I am anti-abortion, change my mind.

Don't tell them about the disproportionate amount of Planned Parenthood clinics at poor places! *cough black ghettos*

>I am anti-abortion, change my mind.

>you are against abortion. why?
>because you believe it is a human life. why?
>because you believe life begins at the moment of conception. why?
>because you believe there is a thing called a soul. why?
>because you live your life not by logic, but by magical thinking

sorry, I can't convince someone who willfully dismisses logic in favor of a world of guardian angels and prayer circles

The only rational position to hold is

>Depends on what race it is

Women who are raped and felt they had evil in growing in their bodies?

I don't think it is possible to change your mind because it is an emotional thing that you have embedded into you, kind of like how a vegetarian cant stand the idea of eating meat, where I on the other hand am not even slightly disturbed by abortion or eating delicious meat

My opinion
>Abortion legal up to ca. 5 weeks (Abortion legal in embryo stage)
>I don't think abortion is nice, I would not personally allow it, but I think the option should be there for those who need it
>Both parents need to agree
>There has to be a reason, finical, health related (both mental/physical) /// Approved by a doctor
>The more times you request it, the harder it gets to do it

>BUT ITS MURDER
So? No one is arguing it's a nice thing. No one high fives someone who had an abortion

There should be no legal prerequisites for abortion (like doctor approval, justification, etc), but there should be a social stigma.

>BUT ITS MURDER
Repeat after me: embryo is not a human.

Your list sounds reasonable. I would add in sterilization.

I consider myself pro choice, but would never abort my own child. As cold as it sounds I couldn't care less about other people.

I have 3 children and been with my wife for 18yrs. Our first child was not planned and tough financially, but is the best thing to ever happen to me.

The murder thing is just what people like crowder say.
I don't think its murder. Might call it "manually ending a potential life", but so is using a condom. Condoms are like, day 0 abortions.

Yeah, if I got a girl pregnant, and she wants an abortion. I would do everything to stop that.

pro-choice:
>causes infidelity, adultery, and internal strife for families
>encourages a lack of responsibility in parenting
>encourages low birth rates (which is good for some but not others)
>people actually make money off of abortions and then take the mutilated baby parts and sell them to be used in other industries

pro-life
>none of the above

The only reason I am pro choice is because niggers abort their babies at a rate far greater than any other race. Without abortion we would have been overrun decades ago.

Just think what the numbers would be if they didn't get free gibs for the kids they do have.

>I want to force people into doing something my way because I THINK that if I'm not forcing them, these consequences will happen.

Interesting.

Where did I imply that

Imply what?
The force?

>Women who are raped and felt they had evil in growing in their bodies?

Rape makes up 1% or less of all abortion cases.

So If I conceded that there should be a rape/incest exception, would you agree that abortions outside of rape/incest is wrong?

>why my mind should be changed

who gives a fuck about changing your mind

abortion has nothing to do with you unless you actually do it

so pro life people need to fuck off and mind their own businesses

This is the problem with pro choice. Take religion out of it. Abortion, like birth control, like socialist government, takes away the consequences of sex. It enables women to be whores without having to worry about how they will financially provide for the baby. There is a reason why women are pro-choice, pro communism, pro birth control, ect. It is all there to enable women to have sex without forming families and raising children. It destroys the patriarchical nuclear family which is the foundation for all of civilization and societal advancement, meaning and morality. Saying it is against God's will and the natural order basically is saying the same thing, it is just a way to package it for lesser IQ individuals that can't understand sociobiology and history.

>It is all there to enable women to have sex without forming families and raising children

OH MY GOD IMAGINE THE HORROR

Abortion should be allowed, but people that are aborting should be assigned to a lower caste, because they are inferior. Who, after all, in their right mind gets themselves in such situation?

First it be best if you give us your reason for being pro-life.

I'm pro-choice and I honestly believe that it's a valid belief for some people to hold if they want to be pro-life. My only problem is inconsistency: pro-life people who don't support universal health care and are pro-war/ death penalty.

Also if you're going to be pro-life, I think its best that you be very supportive of contraception and sex ed. These have been shown to decrease the amount of abortions much more drastically than banning abortion. Today the per-capita abortion rate is lower than pre-Roe v. Wade numbers.

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>would you agree that abortions outside of rape/incest is wrong?

What race?

You fail to understand evolutionary biology and history. All of civilization is based around restricting women's sexual activity and giving every man one exclusive pussy. You can tear down this structure, in fact you have for the most part, but it will lead back to the huts of Africa or the tyranny and starvation of Venezuela.

Also I should mention, that though I'm pro-choice, I also want fewer women to get abortions. I think contraception and comprehensive sex ed is the way to do this.

For abortion when it comes for anything that isnt white. Against abortion when there are white babies. Convince me that I am wrong, thats right, you cant faggots

You're looking at this wrong though. Teenage pregnancy went up after contraceptives became widely available. Not all of them aborted the children but these children are at a disadvantage to people who grew up in a financially stable household. Their parents should be shamed.

I think you're the one ignoring much of history, many great civilizations included both polyamory and homosexuality (Greeks, Ottomans) Many great civilizations also practiced abortion (Romans, Ancient Egyptians). The Spartans practiced what one might call 4th trimester abortion.

E D G Y

>Krauts allow their women to whore themselves out to Serbs with huge cocks

Imagine my shock

>it will lead back to the huts of Africa or the tyranny and starvation of Venezuela

right, because civilization is obviously not progressing, peoples lives are getting shorter and worse every year, technology is not developing, information is not instantly available and there is world wide war and famine

....what the fuck are you even talking about? You right wing nut jobs always keep saying that civilization is going to fall apart if we don't go back to "the way things were supposed to be", but not only is civilization not falling apart, it's doing pretty fucking well.

>mfw your next life is lived as an abused, impoverished niglet because lifefags didn't allow your shit parents to abort

Where are you getting your "facts" I get mine from the CDC: cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db89.htm

Also, without any reasonable mechanism for a decrease of teenage pregnancy with contraceptives. I believe the burden of proof lies with your statement.

>reincarnation
lol

>believing in souls
cuck

Homosexuality was largely prominent during the decline of the empire as was female promiscuity. It was a symptom and cause for the decadence and eventual end of the empire. Many Roman historians wrote about this.

And regardless of other civilizations, the modern western world is based on patriarchy and the nuclear family. If you hope to build something in its stead more accepting of your perversions, you will have to destroy the west first. This is your goal as well as you can understand it, and you should admit that. The bullshit and lies of the arguments on both sides are being cast away. It's time to tell the truth about what our goals are.

And btw, since you brought it up, abortion in the civilizations you describe was solely a decision of the father unless he wasn't around. The woman had no legal say whatsoever.

OK, if you honestly mean this.

Basically, I think abortion is awful, and I'd never want to be put in the position where it was my best choice. I'd never recommend anyone do it. HOWEVER, I don't think it's the government's job to put doctors and women in jail for having abortions.

It's like this - I vehemently dislike Islam. I think the Quran is a terrible book and I would like it if the religion ceased to exist. I'd like to pursuade Muslims to abandon their shitty religion.

HOWEVER, I would never want the government to actually arrest and imprison Muslims for being Muslims. I don't support a niqab ban and I wouldn't support a mosque ban.

It comes down to what you think the role of the state is. I don't think the state has any business getting involved in this shit. I don't like the idea of the state forcing a woman to have a child.

Oh, and before you go spouting that life is sacred, fucking spare me. You're not special, nor am I, and our lives aren't fucking sacred.

I used the Greeks and Ottomans as examples of civilizations that supported homosexuality, don't know why your talking about the Romans here.

I also see how we have to destroy the west in order to stop treating women poorly. Most civilizations that have longevity are highly dynamic and open to cultural change. That's why america has been so successful thus far. You take a bunch of people who are willing to leave their homes and take a risk and have them form a country, they do a great job.

>le reddit spacing
A FUCKING LEAF

I don't see how this is important.

Also in the case of Ancient Egyptians they were also known to use birth control in the form of a cervical cap made from halved citrus rinds. This seems to support some female involvement in her own family planning.

We are riding the fumes of former structures. 99% of advancements and inventions are still produced by bread winning married white males. In spite of the fact that females are almost 60% of college graduates, they have yet to produce a single invention worthy of anything. Look around the room you are sitting in. Every single thing you see was invented by a white male, often a nerdy one, who was promised an exclusive piece of pussy in exchange for his labor. And the economy was declining in real dollars for decades prior to Trump. A few decades ago a plumber could support a stay at home wife in a house with 2 cars, send all his kids to college, and have money left for retirement and vacation. Today 2 working parents can't accomplish the same degree of wealth. Real wealth tanked with the indroduction of women's lib and the welfare state required to support it. Things are still above board because your type is still able to steal enough money from working family men.

Another fun fact- married white men are the only demographic in the country who contribute more wealth to the system than they take.

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This. People who are having abortions are generally not the sort of people who should be reproducing.

It's not Reddit spacing, you autistic shit vacuum. I have never posted anything on Reddit in my entire life. I'm not going to post a wall of text just because children like you get triggered by spaces between the lines.

Go fuck yourself, pleb

If protecting innocent life is not the role of the government, then what is the role of the government?

"Another fun fact- married white men are the only demographic in the country who contribute more wealth to the system than they take."

I genuinely find this statement interesting and would love your source.

This is a fantasy. The multiculturalism/ moral relativism makes us stronger bs. There is no evidence whatsoever to support that claim. We went from candles and a horse and buggy to spaceships and supercomputers in a hundred years under strict judeo-Christian based patriarchy. To think you can change the fundamental motivation for the producing men in society (pussy and family for beta males,) without consequence you are very naive.

>life

First of all, how is a clump of cells life? Abortions are already banned after something like 4-5 months into the pregnancy, and I'm in agreement with that. But if a woman gets an abortion, say, 8 weeks into her pregnancy, what is happening is a vacuum tube sucks up a clump of cells the size of a cockroach, or smaller.

If the state were to force the woman to carry the pregnancy to term, then the government is forcing a human being to do things with their body that they don't want to do.

Don't even try to compare it to murder. If you think it's murder to abort a 4 week old fetus, you better not have ever swatted a mosquito in your life.

christcuck detected

>First of all, how is a clump of cells life?
If that clump of cells has all the basic characteristics of a human, has a heart beat, and has blood flowing through its veins, I would consider that life. That's at about the 5 week mark.

Yep. You should watch Thank You For Smoking to see how you can hone this into a career

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>change my mind
Less abortions = more niggers.

If yojr baby is going to have life long diseases that will cripple it and also cripple you form then i dont see why not. Its not fair for you or the baby. It is a hard world, if they are going to survive without the help of the state they need to be fully functioning and healthy, to do otherwise is cruel. Just because you have some sort of religious beliefs doesnt mean you should inflict life long misery on someone that didnt have to be.

No.

here's your daily reminder that abortion is a satanic ritual that undeniably involves the murder of a child for materialist purposes

Yes. That's what I was going to say.
There's far too many nigger and mud babies being produced. In their case, fourth term abortion shouldn't be off the table.

That doesn't explain why conservatives are against contraception.

I hate abortion too, I just know that the best way to prevent them is contraception and comprehensive sex-ed.

I think we could have some real compromise in this country if we could just agree on contraception.

Uhh, you know we torture chickens by holding them in cages for their entire lives and then eating their babies, right?

Anyway, I don't care. Life isn't sacred, there is no such thing as a soul, and there is no magic sky daddy.

I already told you, abortion itself is unfortunate. You can cry about it. You can ask a woman not to do it, but at the end of the day if you ask me to pay taxes so that cops can go and throw a woman and a doctor in jail for doing it, I'll tell you to go fuck yourself.

This is the problem with conservatives. You think everyone needs to do exactly what you want them to do. What you fail to realize is that is the same thinking of the people you who most oppose. What do you think the Soviet Union was about?

No, it's not the governments job to protect little clumps of cells by throwing adults in prison. I bet you think the government should throw people in prison for being fags or snorting cocaine, too.

No brother, fantasy is falling for the Judeo-Christian / space wizard meme.

You should be pro life, but you should also be pro sterilization and anti whore.

What an epic strawman

>Taking the chicken metaphor literally
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>Anyway, I don't care. Life isn't sacred, there is no such thing as a soul, and there is no magic sky daddy.
Behind the mask of every liberal is a nihilistic, misanthropic edgelord.

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but it's 100% accurate. There is literally not a single anti-abortionist, atheist person on the planet. The anti-abortion argument comes 100% from religion.

>all 2% of cases

Because atheists 99 percent of the time are leftists. And we know who they side with. Plus, why not focus on the argument itself, than what the person making the argument is, you fucking faggoty leaf