The more I debated with Destiny the more familiar I became with his argumentative

The more I debated with Destiny the more familiar I became with his argumentative
tactics. At the outset he counted upon the stupidity of his opponents, but when he
got so entangled that he could not find a way out he played the trick of acting as
innocent simpleton. Should he fail, in spite of his tricks of logic, he acted as if
he could not understand the counter arguments and bolted away to another field of
discussion. He would lay down truisms and platitudes; and, if you accepted these,
then they were applied to other problems and matters of an essentially different nature
from the original theme. If you faced him with this point he would escape again, and
you could not bring him to make any precise statement. Whenever one tried to get a
firm grip on Destiny one's hand grasped only jelly and slime which
slipped through the fingers and combined again into a solid mass a moment afterwards.
If Destiny felt forced to give in to your argument, on account of the observers
present, and if you then thought that at last you had gained ground, a surprise was in
store for you on the following day. He would be utterly oblivious to what had
happened the day before, and he would start once again by repeating his former
absurdities, as if nothing had happened. Should you become indignant and remind him
of yesterday's defeat, he pretended astonishment and could not remember anything,
except that on the previous day he had proved that his statements were correct.
Sometimes I was dumbfounded. I do not know what amazed me the more--the
abundance of his verbiage or the artful way in which he dressed up his
falsehoods. I gradually came to hate him.

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All you have to do is point out he supports CP because he likes jerking off to bodies that resemble his and then it's over from there.

I hate when he talks fast because my rural brain cant keep up. Its literally cheating and it makes me so angry. No one talks half as fast as that in the flyover states.

half this board jacks off to loli what are you even talking about

He supports CP and thinks that bombing Mexico will make it so much better that illegal immigrants will move back.

but he a manlet tho

classic example of someone who engages not in order to seek truth but to prove themselves as 'clever' to the audience through quickly changing subjects, answering questions with questions, constantly being on the attack. evasiveness, talking as fast as he can to try to stun his opponent etc..
All his opinions are basic Hillary Clinton shit he got from HuffPo too.

Then why do you post this probable-pasta about him. Unless you are some shill of some sort.

Jebus e-celebs are complete cancer. I wish there was a mod-crackdown on them.

He's a pedophile, what do you expect?

The people who debate Destiny often yell , are not focused and floop things out too often.

Destiny is not smart in politics , but he's good at using their stupid remarks against them.

Destiny is easy to defeat for everyone who knows the basics of debating.

explain this

it's a tooma

>probable-pasta
You have no right to even post here if you're this unfamiliar with one of the most famous Hitler quotes of all time.

Speak for yourself pedophile

He's just some random faggot. Don't get why people care.

He lives in fucking Nebraska lel

Lolis aren't illegal you sick fuck

DUDE
CP
LMAO

CP IS GOOD FOR YOU YOU BIGOTS

Someone summarize his views to me. Is he just a relativist who smugly shits on anyone with principles and then proclaim victory?

Destiny is just very skilled at using the gish-gallop fallacy in his favor rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

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wtf is wrong with this nigga, does he have nitro on the noggin? Stay away from that bodega budd dawg

nigger flag for a nigger fag

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It's not even that, his entire fucking argument is for a post scarcity society. Forgetting the fact that we have not reached that point, so driving wages down to nothing would benefit only the wealthy. Dude's a fucking moron, he has no grasp on even the most basic economics. He like many socialists act as though human nature and greed are fucking alien concepts.

it's sargon if he was a cuban instead of a quarter nigger

As in half this board, you mean yourself. You dirty fag

Thats only you mate, pedos will hang

Solid pasta, larpflag. I don't watch e-celeb videos. Is this guy actually jewish?

>Should he fail, in spite of his tricks of logic, he acted as if he could not understand the counter arguments and bolted away to another field of discussion.
It's generally not a good idea to enter into a "debate" with someone who will simultaneously act as moderator of that debate. He can pull all kinds of tricks to prevent the other person from being able to make their case.

Ummm excuse me sweetie but those girls are actually thousands of years old.

He doesn't even sound clever. Honestly Brittany Venti destroyed him even though he had support of his peers.

That's why I hate debating, debating has nothing to do with who is right or who is wrong or who has the better idea and what not, its all about who is the most slippery and has the most silver tongue.

Discussion is the better way to go, where you compare idea and the best one comes to the surface.

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>tfw not intelligent enough to do that high of an iq to do that caliber of neck

I agree that a reasonable discussion would be the best, but a lot of people will never agree to dialectic in good faith. They will always aim below the belt, and use every shitty tactic they can, especially if you discuss controversial topics such as race and IQ.

I do debates too (at least open letter type of debates on internet forums), and it's possible to get decent debates out of those. Though I admit that I don't have much experience with the gish-gallop thing, I guess those kind of people simply need to be nailed down on something you know a lot about

He's like Jim but not funny. That's the fucking kicker, he wants to be the smug asshole who owns other people he thinks are stupid but he's just not funny. He has to have his stream orbiters and his repugnant false sense of troll persona to function.

CP SHOULD BE LEGAL AND GIVEN FOR FREE BY THE STATE, JUST LIKE HEALTHCARE

IF YOU DISAGREE YOUR A NAZI DRUMPFKIN REEEEEEE

that's all you need to know about him

He said he didn't mind his father dying of cancer because his father voted for Trump. Says all you need to know.

>I gradually came to hate him
I know where the quote comes from...

But seriously, that's why Jim had the best tactics and success against him: ridicule.

When someone is not trying to come to a debate in good faith, and not honestly trying to come to some sort of mutual understanding, you must shift tactics.

You must be like Socrates:
"rhetoric is in practice merely flattery"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgias_(dialogue)

that's a good point.hadn't thought of it before but I don't think destiny has said a single amusing thing on purpose in all the debates i've seen him do.

I've noticed he also likes to parse ideas down the most simplest of form, then argue via analogy.

It's fucking retarded logic.

It then becomes no longer about the idea, but "the analogy", then a 30min debate on why/why-not that analogy works...all the way to the point where he's saying we should dresden mexico so we can help them.

Holy shit, I just finished reading Gorgias the other day and it's exactly who Destiny is. A rhetorician at best.

Something important stated in Gorgias is that a rhetorician perceived to be correct by the public (aka Destiny's following in this case) will have more value and "truth" in his words than a doctor (the doctor in this case being the people that debate Destiny and win with facts). So Destiny never has to be correct with factual evidence, he just has to be a good rhetorician and his dicksucking fans will propel him into "winning" his debates with "truth". Gorgias is a wonderful text that I suggest everyone reads.

I did some textual analysis of a full stream output to test my tensorflow python script.

According to my algorithms, about 41% of of his audience is bots or alts controlled by the same person.

I also think Destiny as an individual is incredibly bitter. Bitter in a sense that he can be genuinely abusive in personal interaction. I have problems, I can't properly control my anger sometimes and I tend to make comments off the cuff during work directed at my co-workers, but I've been able to make sure that I never go too far, I never say something I don't really mean or damage the work and personal relations I have or might make. It's really hard to grapple with it because I know it's wrong and I that I don't want to act like that. I don't think Destiny goes through that sort of ordeal. I think he genuinely thinks degrading someone in a personal manner is not only okay but funny. You don't see Jim making the entire point of videos on the premise of "I fucking hate you. Not that you're crazy, but that I just don't like you..." and through that the abuse of others becomes okay.

It's gay as fuck to say as I can but he's just mean. A literally mean individual that's unreasonably hostile and personal.

it's not a good idea to enter a verbal debate period unless your purpose is dishonesty and manipulation, both of which are well suited by spoken encounters

Thank you! Another reader of the classics!
I have Plato's Gorgias in my audible library and I listen to it at least once a month.

It describes Destiny and his audience as:

"the rhetorician makes the audience feel worthy because they can identify with the rhetorician’s argument"

Is this Goebbels? I remember reading this before.

Exactly my friend. Do you have any suggestions for books on similar topics, or just philosophy in general? I'm very passionate about topics like these and would love to read more.

Kys pedoscum

Just how tall is this guy? His frame is absolutely atrocious, he literally looks like a child.

whichever Jew was being talked about in that quote started WW2 entirely by being a total kike in Hitler's presence

youtube.com/watch?v=pEKP2c2-ZA0

If you want to read someone familiar with the Greek tradition of rhetoric and putting it to good use, Cicero should be your man.

I'd say naked ape did the best against him, he made him rage quit within 30 mins and the bitch about it to his stream for over an hour

user is right tho

There's a reason that most people who debate him once feel no need to debate him again. He's not interested in the truth of anything. He's not interested in educating himself or his audience. He's there for one simple reason: to win. Due to this, his show goes one of two ways: he catches his opponent off guard a la JonTron, or he gets made an absolute fool of a la Metokur or Sargoy. He either comes off as a bully or as an idiot (because the people who realize it's not a interview or discussion, but a debate, mop the floor with him).

That sounds like its short enough to be worth watching.

Hard to imagine how leftists could turn out any other way I mean if you can learn to dehumanize the unborn who CAN'T you discover how to treat like shit?

Thanks man

We all watched him the other day argue:
>(((Experts))) have research that suggests that giving child porn to pedos makes them less likely to abuse children.
>Therefore if you want to decrease child abuse, you should give child porn to pedos.
Then when validity of the (((experts))) were attacked, he argued:
>OK, hypothetically, suppose they were right
>Then giving child porn to pedos would be the logically correct thing to do.
Basically he was correct here. It is a useless statement, but he was correct.
>Hypothetically, suppose eating our poop was good for us and made us live longer.
>Then we should all eat our poop.
>Hurr durr, prove me wrong.
Problem is, he got them completely tangled up, because none of them wanted to say:
>uhh okay, in that ridiculous hypothetical situation, giving porn to pedos would be the right move.
Because then they'd have to say:
>giving porn to pedos would be the right move.
Which is something nobody but Destiny really wants to say.

Based on that, I guess one of his tactics is tangling people up in ridiculous hypotheticals. Worked really well, had them all basically telling him that what he was saying was not logically correct (even though it was - despite being useless), and basically dissolving into:
>muh morals
>muh feelings
>what you're saying goes against muh morals and feelings.

Was really awkward to watch, desuphams.

lolis are degenerate and you will fucking hang

>Giving CP to pedos would logically be correct

lol no it fucking wouldn't because that means you have to make CP in the first place, in fantasy Destiny land where hypotheticals are credible.

>"CP is ok if it's done in a logical/measured fashion and given to the pedos who seek/make CP, so that they won't seek/make CP as much."

Did you fucking idiots figure out that no one gives a single fuck what this literal hobbit, child-hobbit fucker has to say?

>hes right user
>no user he’s wrong

He’s shorter than 5’8’’ these are the people you lift your knee up and kick out of your way when they start arguing with you or standing in your way, they are essentially human pylons and need to be treated as such

If this douche bag even attempted to talk to me he would be getting some air

well he is 4 feet tall,cant fight with fists so words are all he has

Not to be THAT fuckng guy who says this all the time,but i figure if he back chatted a guy at one of his conventions like he does on his debates..the guy would either start a boot shop in his ass or just put him on a high shelf until he starves to death.

I just cannot understand how someone could be so repugnant. It's the same case with HRC, and I know that one-sided coverage and info tends to be propaganda, but when I'm hearing what he says and how he talks and how he conveys himself in a social manner I just can't wrap my head around it. How could you justify to yourself being such a cunt?

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>lol no it fucking wouldn't because that means you have to make CP in the first place

And that's why the argument was about cp already made and about getting victims' consent.

destiny turned out to become a literal retard magnet himself, huh

Yeah. It's best to ridicule his views. Anyone that debates in good faith is bound to get frustrated. From what I can tell, all Destiny ever does is try his damnedest to make his opponent fit into one of several molds he's ready to fight and defeat. If someone like Metokur or Sargoy refuse to let him do it, the entire show just turns into him moving from one mold to the next, and then getting exasperated, giving up, and then declaring victory and shitting on his opponent after he ends the debate.

I have only watched a handful of his videos, and I have never seen it, but has he EVER admitted that his opponent was right, over the hundreds of hours he's debated? He never seems to give a single inch, and say, "Oh, yeah. You're right. My bad," even over the most inconsequential shit.

Sup Forums would all be kill

>because that means you have to make CP in the first place, in fantasy Destiny land where hypotheticals are credible.
Yup that was the first attempted counter-argument.
>Destiny: It's already been made. Lifetimes worth and then some has already been created and is in existence. Nothing can be done to undo that.
Seems like you would have been destroyed as well.

Destiny to me comes across as an insanely talented debater, who can argue the impossible. Problem is the creepy fucker actually seems to believe the shit he spouts. I saw Sargon poke some pretty solid holes in him during one discussion, but other than that he makes amateurs (like you seem to be) look foolish, while arguing something that is completely incorrect.

If he was an adult I'd kick his ass, so yeah. I'm serious when I say I'd probably kick his ass if I ever ended up talking with him for any decent amount of time. I've got 2+ feet on him and probably 80lbs. I guess I just hate the "talk shit do fucking nothing" crowd a lot more than I first thought.

I actually do. I think that anyone with an IQ that's lower than 90 should be expelled, regardless of race.

tl;dr

are people who go "hurr-durr he's short" false flags? Or do these weak faggots who publically embarass themselves debating that dork really do have actual fans on here?

>remove low IQ whites
>brief period of only high IQ whites
>nobody to do shit jobs everyone hates
>low IQ whites are born to normalise the distribution of IQ

But yeah, let's not remove a group whose upper limits sit closer to our average, forget how many functionally retarded people that means keeping around

>Yeah. It's best to ridicule his views. Anyone that debates in good faith is bound to get frustrated.
I dunno. I reckon they should have just said:
>yeah, in that ridiculous hypothetical situation, that may be the logical thing to do - even though I dislike it. But there's no point in discussing that, since it's not the reality we live in. Can we return to our reality please?
That would have wrecked him. None of them were smart enough to say that though. They sorta btfo of themselves.

I HIGHLY doubt he can fight much less taken a punch....a REAL punch.I figure the hit would be the end of it.That quick.He would prob be shocked,scared but have adrenaline enough to say "you fucker" or "fuck you" but definitely not swing back.

>Destiny: It's already been made. Lifetimes worth and then some has already been created and is in existence. Nothing can be done to undo that.
I don't particularly care. There is no argument that can be made that will make the case that it is ok for adults to pleasure themselves to child exploitation. You want to talk about the loli-hentai? Sure. No kids were exploitated. Drawn by adults, for adults. But actual exploitation? Nope. You can go straight to prison.

Enjoy
youtu.be/OZR3O9OCgik
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You don't give in an inch to that person. What you do is you ridicule him. When he said that, I would have responded, "Oh yeah? Well, if sex with infants was scientifically proven to eliminate AIDS, would you advocate raping babies? Either way, it doesn't matter. We are talking about the REAL world, not this fantastical theoretical scenario."

>Make sure to leave a dislike
So he gets more ad rev? Are you secretly a destiny's fanboy?

>There is no argument that can be made that will make the case that it is ok for adults to pleasure themselves to child exploitation.
Except the fact that it (hypothetically) will result in less further abuse and potentially save the lives of thousands of children?
You are doing exactly what the other dumb clowns did:
>muh morals
>muh feelings
>this goes against muh morals and muh feelings.
That's why they got fucked up there. If they had just dismissed it as a nonargument and moved on, rather than attempting to dismantle it (it works in its own little world), they would have destroyed him.

So distribution of cp is fine so long as it wasn't made by the people distributing it? Cool, so the kids abused have to have the images of their abuse prescribed to sickos who can't control their urges without any say in the matter. I really love when someone's a victim or something heinous and then we go on to continue victimising them.

Does he not understand that race realism is descriptive, rather than prescriptive? Just because one accepts that races differ in IQ does not mean they advocate getting rid of people with low IQs.

>le hypothetically

>Except the fact that it (hypothetically) will result in less further abuse and potentially save the lives of thousands of children?
No. Not even that argument. You want to simulate exploitation, either using cartoons, 3D models, or consenting adult actresses that appear younger than they are? Fine. But no, there is no argument that can be rationally made to justify the normalization of adults pleasuring themselves to exploited children.

>Nothing can be done to undo that

Well for starters, by not making more. That's a real big fucking start. You're going to end up with a net gain in CP by doing this, not a reduction or maintaining a current-rate level.

Also, implying that even with lifetimes worth, pedos won't seek more/new CP or worse and worse. That's the nature of escalation with fetishes, for some of whom it's a fetish.

>Does he not understand
Probably does, probably is just being disingenuous.

Jesus. Why are you brainlets even commenting.
>This is a hypothetical situation where it's been proven that by letting potential pedos watch this shit will stop them from abusing further kids.
>Hurr durr nah thank you I'd rather millions more future kids (potentially my own) get abused.
It's a non-argument, hypothetical, that really had no point in being discussed. But trying to say it is not logically sound is ridiculous.
Giving cp to pedos does NOT make them less likely to further abuse, in fact it probably makes them more likely.

All you have to do is point out his height, 5'2".

>But no, there is no argument that can be rationally made to justify the normalization of adults pleasuring themselves to exploited children.
Literally:
>nope, goes against muh feels, so I don't need to argue back against it.
Doesn't fly in a debate.

>Well for starters, by not making more.
Are you actually retarded?

Why bother talking about a hypothetical you dumb faggot

And I'm saying, EVEN IN THAT HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, I do not budge on the normalization of adults pleasuring themselves to exploited children. Simulation, in that hypothetical situation, is ok, as all parties consented to the act, the filming, and the distribution in advance and as adults. But normalizing the process of adults sexually pleasuring themselves to actual child exploitation is not a road that would be smart to walk down, even in said hypothetical situation.

OK, after talking to a few of you, I can see how Destiny wins his debates.
>Bring up controversial subject and retarded hypothetical that has no place in reality
>watch everyone turn into retarded moral-fags and all logic go out the window - trying to disprove a logically-sound (but irrelevant) hypothetical because of feelings, rather than point out the fact that has no relevance
>play on that until the end.

What is retarded about that? CP is made and only hypothetically can it stop being made.

At the very least, you should not contribute to it being made. By doing this situation of supplying CP to pedos, the ongoing rate of CP would have been the same but now even more is being made because you're also contributing to it.

who gives a god damn about some streamer neckbeard faggot?

If you like SC, get good. If you don't, go outside and make something of yourself. Jesus Christ you people.

Point out where I said anything that is even remotely related to "muh feels." You have to prove, even in that theoretical situation, that the normalization of adults pleasuring themselves to child exploitation will have ZERO ill effects, which was never claimed, and is most certainly not a given.

>What is retarded about that?
The fact that you still can't seem to grasp that even Destiny, in his retarded hypothetical situation, is not advocating to make more CP. There's just no way to make it any clearer.