Why the hell should college be free?
Why should I as a taxpayer pay for some random commie fuck doing his 34th semester in gender studies?
Why do people look down on the american system? Isn´t it better that everyone pays for his own education, even if that means taking a loan?
You´re gonna pay the money back anyway once you get a job, so why are people so triggered about it?
Student loans
Because it generally benefits society to have an educated population. It's the same reason we have public schools.
taking a loan to study something you might not even like souds like a brilliant idea...
the more accesible education is to the wide populus the better the overall conditions and productivity is
1st world countries are 1st world countries thanks to the widespread edication
>Isn't it better that everyone pays for his own education, even if that means taking a loan?
Do parents not exist? Loans are for shmucks. If you werent born into wealth then you wont be educated well it's pure and simple.
im not saying that elementary or middle schools should be private.
however, i can see your point. but what im talking about is people abusing the system (because if college is free, many people will stay in college instead of getting a job because they´re lazy af)
4-year unis will never be free on most states.
But CCs on the other hand it might happen on many states.
How is that abusing the system? Most people don't want to stay in school their entire lives. I was the exception, and I would have if you could make a decent living as an academic (I studied military history specifically). Even if they do, I don't think education is like food where you can have too much, and their presence creates jobs for teachers, support staff, and the entire economic systems that revolve around universities.
Also I work way less and make way more money in my job than I ever did while in school,
>You´re gonna pay the money back anyway once you get a job, so why are people so triggered about it?
Yes, goy, you will sure pay the interest out with your job, take another (((loan)))
If you´re old enough to study you should be old enough to find a subject you actually will major in.
How is having millions of women "educated" in gender studies benefiting anyone? I think only disciplines which are economically in demand should be subsidised as an alternative to immigration. If you want to study useless bullshit that isn't economically valuable, you can pay for it yourself.
It's better in the long run. I can confirm it coming from a country with education so poor (we're taught to remember, never logically thinking, tests are on multiple choices, the questions were already mentioned in the syllabus etc.), most students can't even read by the time they finished high school, sometimes even in the University
They don't think, they don't break the social trend, anything different will be scoffed at, always following ancient "tradition", doing everything the same way while complaining about why things never changed for them (yet scorned when someone introduce the change they needed), and don't get me started on the complete inability to perform even simpliest task in their job, or them thinking "it's not mandatory to learn English! We've always been independent!" while being outclassed by even Philippines.
I really missed the time when our education was based on English cirriculum, the time when people think, learn, invest, diversify, improve. Now, they just keep on kneeling by the roadside, praying to anthills for lottery number, because "others do it, I might get rich doing it"
Because you learn other skills in these disciplines that are beneficial beyond just the subject matter.
For instance, I studied history. I work in IT. For that, I did a lot of research and writing. Compare this to my colleagues who did not. Smart and skilled they may be (and with more formal qualifications in the field) but it tends to be my projects and proposals getting the green light rather than theirs because I'm good at that sort of thing.
I think knowledge is valuable, even if that knowledge does not translate directly to employment.
>Most people don't want to stay in school their entire lives
must be nice where you´re living.
where im from, many people just like to study and don´t even care how long it´ll ake em.
We call them "career student" here.
The problem are the astronomical tuition fees and ridiculous terms for the loans, not the fact they are expected to pay for their education.
>many people will stay in college instead of getting a job because they´re lazy af
You can easily prevent this by setting a max limit of semesters.
This I also fully agree with.
I was in school a long time. I never met anyone just putzing around for no Reston. There were people who took a while but I think having a legitimate change of heart about what you want to study is fine.
>being too lazy to earn a full scholarship in academics or athletics
Student loan + maths, physics,CS = awsome
Student loan + humanities, gender studies, african studies, language, literature, psychology = guaranteed unemployment
You chose a fucking arts degree its your own fucking fault
it most certainly should not, it most certainly should no longer be subsidized by the government. Colleges are social justice factories they should have to compete in the free market
t. retard
College is essentially free if you join the military, I don't know why millennials don't just take advantage of that.
Sore much? What amazing humanities degree did you get? Hahahhaha
History. I work in IT now because I'm not a retard.
More importantly, who even thought it was a good idea to introduce subjects such as Gender Studies or Religious Studies? Let alone approving it as valid cirriculum
Stuff like history are alright in a way you learn to preserve and learn from the mistake that made us today (would you be happy if the declaration of independent were thrown away like an old rug? Guess not)
Gender studies? The fuck is this even for? What do you even "learn" there? What contribution are you offering to the humanity? That's the point of college-level education
LOL History!!! Working in IT!! Are you sure its IT? Why would anyone hire you if they can get people with CS degree?
The idea of studying how cultural ideas of gender work and have worked is a legitimate area of study and can be quite interesting I think, even if SJWs have taken shit to retarded extremes. Our identities as men or women are pretty important to how we as humans see ourselves after all.
Because I'm not a retard, as I said. Additionally, I'm literate, which is more than can be said for a lot of the CS people I've encountered in my career.
genderstudies, fitness nutrion, african studies, tourism, history, literature etc are all degrees to become a filthy CIVIL SERVANT.
Gender studies are the next gen little nazi police for the new liberal freak government! Its all in preparation to police and control your behavior.
Religious studies is the oldest doctorate you can get from colleges. Maybe you should look up the history of colleges in america before you spout dumb shit.
>studied history
>works in IT
"Thank you for calling Cisco this is Sandre how may I be of Hajeeb to you?"
Sore loser! If you had a great brain why didnt you study CS? Cant do it? Cant even code!!!!
Hostory and literature are very important to an educated society. You should be ashamed for being so dumb.
lol CS people are illiterate? You couldn't even do max pooling on a one dimensional conv net you fucking pleb.
Get back to the help desk.
Because I think history is a much more valuable subject, since I am not stupid enough to only see (((value))) in monetary terms.
Cisco actually generally has American support staff (at least when I've talked to them.) It's Microsoft that employs a shit ton of Indian people in my experience.
Literacy has nothing to do with your ability to code.
the history and literature modern universities teach is total crap, and your github is probably shit.
I had a unemployed or at least "part time" cs guy in my Security+ class that couldn't figure out how to enable FTP in a lab we had to do.
He failed his Sec+ exam too.
Miserably.
Too busy browsing craigslist looking at MacBooks and watching John Oliver clips on youtube.
Kek
Kek
I thought those stuff were already covered in biology (how men and women' brain work differently, how they differ in brain chemical and body hormones which resulted in how different they think and act etc) and in sociology
Biology and Sociology are valid due to scientific methods involved. What does gender studies do? What do they study? What is the method of researching the claim? A lot of presentation were mostly MUH DISCRIMINATION and extremely biased sampling (using the plights of women in India to demand justice in the USA? Oh, come the fuck on)
MUH HISTORY DEGREE HAZ VALUE
That would require them to do something... and we all know millenials hate doing, well.. anything.
Simple if you cant code in 2017 you are one of the million permanently unemployed. Based fact!
Your personal experience does not translate to the wider population. The fact is we have a student debt crisis because too many students studied non-viable degrees and are now unable to earn the kind of income needed to repay the debt. In the UK we're dismantling our subsidised higher education system because it caused the same issue. It had the added drawback of adding new arbitrary qualifiers (undergrad degrees) to positions which did not previously require degrees, like secretarial work. Now if you want to be a secretary or do any other kind of office busywork you are effectively forced to get into debt because we have so many (useless) graduates now competing for these jobs.
> I think knowledge is valuable
Not all knowledge is equally valuable, and I am taking about economic value here. The rest of us don't need to be paying for you to pursue your personal academic interests. It doesn't benefit society to teach thousands of students history and other arts every year. If it did they wouldn't be in a debt crisis.
OP's mom is passed around as much as a public key
>so why are people so triggered about it?
Because people don't like to live in debts.
But if you want more materialistic explaination it is because if majority of young people can't get education, well payed work and house without taking a loans that means many of them will not make a family and children and your entire nation will slowly die like it happens now. Your state must choose between interests of bankers and interests of people.
Coming at it from a historical perspective (Since that's where my background is), it's about looking at how cultural ideas related to gender (What are the roles of men and women. What is acceptable for one gender to do? What is unacceptable?)
For instance. I knew someone who wrote a dissertation about how crimes like sodomy and buggery were dealt with in the 18th century Royal Navy. She was interested in it because of how differently these crimes were treated by naval authorities even though on paper they had similar punishments to other crimes, and her conclusion was that it was a gender-role based judgement on the part of courts.
I've got another friend who is writing his dissertation on how ideas of masculinity affected the makeup and function of the Anglo-Saxon comitatuses (Which were the armed retinues of the nobility of the period and the core of Anglo-Saxon armies).
“Ehrmmmm guise like just because most history majors work at Starbucks, doesn’t like mean I haven’t discovered unique insights into the past through my studies that I relate to all sorts of dynamic fields”
Shut the fuck up. Your degree is worthless. You are employed because you learned something about IT.
If humanities and art were cut from University I'd consider it being free.
Only maths colleges should be free and subsidised by taxpayers.
That is one thing i find hilarious. Unless you are important WHY the fuck would you attach your public key go your signature? 99% of people dont even know how to use it, the rest of 1% arent using any encryption. Only frauds and wannabes are attaching their pub key to the signature.
You're right, it is just my personal experience, but even if all of these people studied something more "marketable", then they would still be unemployed simply because we have far too many people for the available positions we have. That is not a problem that can be solved simply by telling people to study something else.
>Not all knowledge is equally valuable, and I am taking about economic value here.
Well alright then, but I don't particularly care about the economic value of knowledge.
>The rest of us don't need to be paying for you to pursue your personal academic interests
The thing is that people studying things that might not generate a profit for ((corporations)) can lead to greater understandings that do benefit society. That's why so much of our technological research comes from the military, NASA, and so on, because they do not have to generate a profit to continue existing.
you can have many free places in top universities that are sponsored by government or top corporations for most talented students
but they need to pass real hardcore old european exams on math and shit, not american baby test that show nothing except ability to memorize primitive question, simple formula and count 2-3 numbers.
no wonder USA needs to import brains from abroad to survive
student loans can be good in general, they allow clever people to enslave stupid people, but they increase cost of education for middle people sadly
"I've got another friend who is writing his dissertation on how ideas of masculinity affected the makeup and function of the Anglo-Saxon comitatuses"
Pre-Heat The Ovens
You mean that a bunch of guys getting together to hang out, raid, rape, and go fight each other might have something to do with how society views the proper role of noble-born men? Color me shocked.
If you pay taxes or parents pay taxes you should get schooling for free. Society would be much better off with more educated and skilled people. And it would be an incentive to actually pay taxes considering most people feel the taxes they pay are wasted on nothing.. even the roads are shit mostly everywhere in usa.
This retard just compared history majors to technological accomplishments made at the NSA.
Those are all mathematicians with real degrees buddy. Would bet my left but he’s some low ranking call center loser.
Truth is infront of your eyes! The bible is a historical document describing cataclysmic events that reset humanity.
Human Life is spawned by a virus reacting with plants, sponges and simple life, mutating with it to infinite combinations of the same life form (spoiler all animals with red blood and a spine are related to us).
We don't have a student debt crisis, we have mismanaged surpluses and deficits in labor across the 50 states. If these millennial snowflakes were willing to move to a new state to get a career in their field, our economy would be better.
Australia has the best system for student debt.
You're an outlier in that case. Why? Because many do in fact do just that that you deny. "Professional students" isn't a meme, there's a real deal market of these stupid fucks who can't even the real world.
What do you mean.
In Serbia you take an exam and combine it with your highschool points and if you have enough points you get free college, if you don't you pay. Simpe as that. We don't have gender studies tho. What do you even study in gender studies?
I think you're just missing the point. The study of history in particular can show you a lot of valuable things about diplomacy, economics, politics, and so on.
>Get a worthless history degree
>Work a shitty IT job
>Be a good goy
Because if college is free then lower income areas that are mostly republican based wont be incentivized to abandon PHDs in favor od trade schools, and will ultimately even out the liberal agenda of most colleges as they now have no use for social justice gimmicks to act as buffer classes and money sponges.
This will ultimately lead to a better standing base of voters in America that don't view politics as a tradition that one partakes in accordance to what their family did, and instead thinks rationally with their votes because they were never indoctrinated by a class that costs 800 dollars just to tell them that they should feel guilty for factors they cannot control and shouldn't want to rectify in the first place.
valuable shit like the stuff we shitpost about in here ?
top kek it's useless crap
>Society would be much better off with more educated and skilled people
I forget about my shekels stupid goy. Your country is serving for interests of capitalists and bankers and if you want country for people then you must go to North Korea. Hahaha.
No I’m not. The amount of technological innovation produced by those in STEM fields vastly outweighs the amount of influential thinkers produced by History majors.
Also plenty of the best thinkers were autodidacts. Your profession is worthless and has few divergent schools of thought within it. You’re trying to rationalize it because you have a personal attachment.
I studied medieval history. My degree is worthless so I learned to be a Quant. I’m a quant because I have the skills to be one, not because I have a trash degree.
Us working folk shouldn't subsidise it. You get a situation like Australia, where the government subsidises tens of thousands of dollars (over 50k) but the universities decide to charge about 25k extra because they know it's a somewhat affordable amount for a decent amount of people
75% of the population hasn't been educated at a university, why do they have to subsidise the 25% who are disproportionately upper class
If you have the luxury of attending university, you are already entitled beyond belief, demanding everyone else pays for it is ridiculous
Are you saying that knowing, for instance, the history of a country with which you are dealing is not valuable?
How you can't lock down a decent man when you've got hair on your armpits and actually think "mansplaining" is a real term you can use
>No I’m not. The amount of technological innovation produced by those in STEM fields vastly outweighs the amount of influential thinkers produced by History majors.
Source?
>Your profession is worthless and has few divergent schools of thought within it.
It's not my profession, so... and yes, it really does have a lot of different schools of thought. Historians make even the most argumentative Sup Forumstards look civil sometimes.
Making something free means lower-class people are more likely to go.
College can be free when they start enforcing college readiness. To start with, any university which offers remedial classes for things like math and writing should be 100% defunded. If you aren't prepared to learn math and writing at a college level, you aren't prepared for college and therefore should not be burdening taxpayers.
Second, what the actual fuck is wrong with universities making all these 'easier' versions of classes? Classes like 'Applied Calculus for business' need to go away. You take Calculus I. If you can't pass a rigorous Calculus I, you shouldn't be in a major that requires calculus. Same with science classes. Universities have all these dumbed down versions of physics and chemistry and biology for sociology and gender studies majors to take in order to meet their science requirement. Get rid of it. If you can't take and pass a traditional 'General Chemistry I' course, you shouldn't be in college.
Universities keep lowering their standards so they can get more students, so they can get more funding. If only the people who were truly prepared for college got accepted to college, the amount of public funding we spend right now would be enough for public college to be virtually free.
not even close.
History is all memes
There are huge other reasons to why working class dont/can't attend higher education. The government paying over 50k of a students degree still doesn't allow the luxury of me, working class to attend university
Moron asks for source for the claim that technological innovation by the STEM fields outpaces historical thinkers. HAHAHAHAHAHA
This person is an idiot. He likely works a low end IT job and hangs around with people who write dissertations on "dissertation about how crimes like sodomy and buggery were dealt with in the 18th century Royal Navy."
Like?
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“It’s not my profession”
Oh that’s right you troubleshoot with consumers almost as dumb as you on the phone for a living.
If you make a claim, you have to source it. That is "Making an Argument 101."
Uni and everyone in it should be blown up with shit. Nobody killed, just lying there blown up with shit all over them and an ambulance should come rushing with its lights flashing as fast as possible with medics in the back, and rush the shit to hospital.
It's not my profession because I don't do it for my day job.
Holy Shit. Does OP realize we are probably going to put him in the camps when we read his writings?
CS student here, many STEM professors/professionals really cannot write/spell to save their life. Seen it too many times myself and had a math teacher who would bitch about the 'lol I don't need to know how to spell, I can do math!' attitude STEM people had.
I would have to take loans out even for community college as I don't have $10k a year that they demand. Since the economy will probably go tits up by the end of the decade and jobs will be eliminated, what the point?
I'm too old anyways in my 30s to get my life on track as I don't even have my GED. ideally, I would need about a duffel bag of Adderalls and not be working 50 hours a week in order not to waste taxpayer funds.
t. ladyboy
Lol he literally linked a fallacy.
*tips fedora*
This is just the tip of the Asperg boys.
>spend four years and $100k studying buggery and sodomy
>can't find a job after graduation
I'm shocked.
Even Peter Pan had to grow up one day, Tinkerbell. GET A FUCKING JOB.
GET A JOB
GET A JOB
GET A FUCKING JOB
I'll have to pay about 30k personally, lack of job opportunities afterwards, not being able to for go 4 years of income and career progression. It being a completely unwelcoming environment for the working class.
I did a metal working component in my high school exams to get valuable skills. It was marked on a .8 aggregate, while chemistry is 1.2. My teacher was literally dyslexic so I went poorly in the exam
Didn't get the marks to be let in to university because of that and having to work most nights until midnight, unless of course I do an $5k course first and wait a year
lol OP still has not denied that he is a help desk noob
Because he is. Get back to scrubbing the cum out of keyboards Ahmed.
Because people who have CS degrees are generally fucking stupid. I need someone with a functioning brain who can learn how to program properly, not someone who got a cucked version of a math degree and writes all of their programs as imperative C++ code full of shit like 'std::string str2 = new std::string("Japan"); //make a string with your favorite country' and thinks they 'know computers' now because they paid $50,000 for a bunch of career academics who have never had a real job in their life to tell them utter shit like "remember to declare your variables outside of the loop because its faster"
Anybody who thinks CS degrees are 'career-relevant' either doesn't have a CS degree or doesn't have a career.
“Studied Sodomy & Buggery”
“History benefits society Goy!”
>tfw when user can't read.
Sounds like you should stop recruiting from shit schools.
>Universities keep lowering their standards so they can get more students, so they can get more funding.
I believe this will lead to a future that returns to actual skill based hiring.
Market is being saturated with all of these increasingly dumbed down worthless degrees. It's going to lead to companies saying:
>You know what? Fuck degrees and diplomas, show us some raw skill and/or personal achievements.
Which is already the case with creative industries.
The current system isn't sustainable and is going to keep on producing more and more worthless workforce.
My post is accurate. That you wrangled a job any teenager with an A+ Cert can get says nothing about the $100k+ you wasted.
Pile clinic nurse.
Preparation H salesman
Rubber ring specialist
The career choices are wide and varied
>CS degree from CMU
>Several million in RSU's in my 20's
>Plaid Parliament
Muh CS degree's aren't career relevant. No, you just work with retards and build garbage tech.
My current manager, early thirties, university educated has remarked to me his opinion, on the lack of skills university graduates possess, as well as having poor attitudes that make them unteachable. Very interesting seeing the uni vs non uni crowd at my work. I'm my experience, they tend to parrot things that people lost in the realms of academia say and cant feasibly apply the principles to a private business. They are uninterested in learning any skills and don't respect skilled but uneducated workers trying to reach them, hence leading to them never developing
My A+ certificate makes me, like really qualified to talk about them puters guise.