WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME IS A TERRIBLE IDEA

WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME IS A TERRIBLE IDEA

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Because it's a great idea that will prepare societies for automatisation and sets free labour to work on innovation. Just scratch the "un" from "unconditional" and be done with it.

Because people are retards

Because they honestly in their hearts believe that blacks couldn't make it alone, and they're right. They don't care about the situation any more than simply not wanting to walk over dozens of rotting corpses for a year.

>sets free labour to work on innovation

What do you do for work now?

How much (((basic))) income do you feel you are owed and from whom?

But Canada already has welfare

> automation meme

There will always be jobs that cannot be automated and have low pay.

The people that will suffer most from UBI is the lower middle class and poor which ironically UBI is trying to help lmao

If we have never given UBI a chance, then how do we know it won’t/doesn’t work.

>$20k a year UBI
>wages immediately drop by $20k
>rent immediately goes up by $20k
sounds perfectly reasonable to me

It's the latest in their "communism has never been tried" rebranding efforts

Sheet ion kno whachu you talkin bout. Gimme sum free sheet cracka. Imma cook it up n double it

A FUCKING LEAF

have fun being stuffed in liquid pods for your mind and body to be used as a slave for machines. Dumb fuck.

That's what is happening in France, rent welfare made rent super expensive for everyone, and basic welfare made prices explode

>uses leaf meme
>shills for UBI

Is being a leaf a good thing now?

>if we just give everybody free money prices will remain the same
>right guys?

socialists

>There will always be jobs that cannot be automated and have low pay.
Not in the long run.

>The people that will suffer most from UBI is the lower middle class and poor which ironically UBI is trying to help lmao

actually makes no sense, by definition a rare job is a high paying job

youre actually talking out your ass, by definition, more demand equals more supply. explain to me how more supply equals more demand?

It happened with food prices in the US under Obama. They blamed it on the rising cost of energy, particularly oil. Then the price of oil cratered and food prices kept climbing. This was also a time when a record number of Americans were on food stamps, over 1 in 5. People who don't have to foot the bill don't care what it costs, so markets responded naturally by raising prices.

The only way UBI could work is if you could fix prices. Wow look at that, you just invented communism.

Let's use Denmark as an example on how to do things

>Number 1 in happiness
>Basic Income

>Denmark. High levels of innovation (it's No. 2 in Legatum's Prosperity Index), with the seventh-best R&D levels. ICT comprises 5 percent of total goods exports, and business startup costs are the lowest in the world. Best yet, Denmark has the second lowest level of inequality in economic development.

>In Denmark, social policy in areas like health care, child care, education and protecting the unemployed are part of a “solidarity system” that makes sure that almost no one falls into economic despair. Danes pay very high taxes, but in return enjoy a quality of life that many Americans would find hard to believe. As the ambassador mentioned, while it is difficult to become very rich in Denmark no one is allowed to be poor. The minimum wage in Denmark is about twice that of the United States and people who are totally out of the labor market or unable to care for themselves have a basic income guarantee of about $100 per day.

When a leaf says something, always do the opposite

Denmark is a smaller, ethnically homogeneous society.

We are (((not)))

So, we are also the richest country on the planet.

>Denmark is a small, homogenous nation of about 5.5 million people. The United States is a melting pot of more than 315 million people. No question about it, Denmark and the United States are very different countries. Nonetheless, are there lessons that we can learn from Denmark?

Because people are lazy and selfish, and don't care about fucking over future generations if they can get gibs.

I voted Trump but I would equally vote Zuckerberg is he offers us Zuckerbucks/UBI.

Why is it hard for Leafs to understand exponential Technological growth ? there is no other solution but UBI or a version of it... millennials havnt got or want to learn any skills and will be BTFO for jobs as the babyboomers will choose a competent robots and tech over a clueless and snowflake millennial or an immigrant moron every time...

>Let's use Denmark as an example on how to do things
>What could go wrong

youtube.com/watch?v=OmRc_5t8_pc

we already have ubi. what do you think quantitative easing is? the only difference is that ubi would be distributed to everyone and not just given to the bankers. it's all imaginary gobblediegook

Democracy was a mistake.

>there is no other solution but UBI or a version of it
This is just communist talk.

People love free shit, even if it's not free.

shh stop being smart and american. everyone knows the tallest flower is cut to match the rest of the bunch.

No man, I always wanted to become a n33t.

>richest country on the planet

US spends 61% of its budget on the welfere
US public debt exceeded 20 trillion.
It can not last forever.

>No significant black/Mexican population draining resources unproductively to account for

Opinion immediately discarded. Also, inflation would occur like it did when the government subsidized college.

>ubi would be distributed to everyone and not just given to the bankers

That trickle down economics

They have no understanding of inflation and believe that everything can be automated with current infrastructure. It's more likely that big (((corporations and government lobbies))) pass off the UBI meme to put everyone into more debt for the future.

Also It's funny that the degree of payment of state taxes is completely correlated with the racial composition of the United States.

>automation increases supply
I thought germans were intelligent

>free money
>bad

Because it's not clear that it's a terrible idea. There isn't majority consensus on the subject amongst economists. It's a controversial topic and the subject of active discussion.

Here's a tough fucking pill to swallow: you don't know any better than they do, either. None of you people do, with your simplistic doomsday scenarios ("lol wages will plummet $20k"). Economics is not a simple science. No science involving human behavior is. Largely untried scenarios are not easy to model and anybody who offers certainty is just proving that they're a fucking ideologue and a quack.

Is it a good idea? I'm not saying that. Maybe it is a terrible idea. But you're not qualified to make a definitive pronouncement about that; nobody is. You're not even qualified if you have a PhD in economics, which obviously you fucking don't.

Now watch this post get swamped by dozens of drones posting
>BECAUSE LIBTARDS AND BLACKS WANT MORE GIBS
and other shitty bullshit, shitting up this shitty shit fucking shit board.

>They have no understanding of inflation

Could you please tell me why the price of a slave has been equivalent to $400 for the last 1000 years?

The only people for it right now do not understand the jq

Then why are our countries being filled with low IQ muds? This is just another way of taking resources from whites and giving it to non whites to suppress white birth rates

>Former Soviet Union here, in all seriousness, your country is going to crash and burn anytime now, and let's be honest, we can't ever get them get their hands again on Manifest Destiny.

>dude lmao let's give people money just to live
The whole thing is fucking retarded. It's like Keynesianism on steroids. Give people money just so they can give that money to various mega-corps to produce goods for them? What's the fucking point?

A similar system was already in the USSR.
Only it was called "full employment".
We did not have unemployment, moreover, you were forced to find work.

What kind of work was it? It was like shifting pieces of paper from one box to another for two hours.
It was terribly inefficient, no one was responsible for anything.
What did this lead to? To the economic collapse of the second economy of the world and the collapse of the USSR.

its not hard to understand, they want free shit

No it is sad
The dream is dead and the kikes killed it

I don't get it though what are they going to do when the entire Muslim and white world has a vendetta on their entire race.

>Stop thinking about it, goy! It's too difficult to understand, let the (((economists))) take care of it for you!

Yes, I know that public debt is below 150% of GDP is not dangerous, but who knows what incompetent liberals will do next, given their maniacal desire to build socialism.

le tactical nihilism face

>tfw universal basic income is coming here soon

this. our older generations experinced it

Get a job fag. Get off your fucking lazy nigger ass and get a fucking job.

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

its neo-feudalism

Their intent was always destroying the country, shipping everything to China and build a UN one world government system with censorship of the same manner as the Chinese.
They would own the United States of America through debt, until they got total hold of it.
If they can do it there, they will force it anywhere.

I'm a pretty hard worker and let me tell you... If I got "free money" I would just use it to retire early and tell the world to go fuck itself for all the shit it's put me through up to this point.

Has Denmark contributed anything to humanity, ever?

>Mexico
>economists

The average intellect of a Mexican is 88.

It is not surprising that the dysgenic Mexicans want dysgenic socialism for further degradation.

Russia, too, went through this, our country was divided into Russian and homo sovietkus.

Russian wants to be free from goverment, homo sovetikus wants MORE goverment

Nice try. Believe me, I'm familiar with the economic history of the USSR. The two systems are not analogous. That's obvious to anybody with more than passing familiarity with the topic and an IQ over 90.

I don't want to get into where the similarities end and the places that the analogy fails, because I don't care, and I also don't need to; the fact that UBI isn't the same as full employment in the USSR is fucking obvious. I'm not even trying to argue with you. By all means, bring up the collapse of the USSR when you talk about this. Partial and imperfect evidence can still be useful and compelling. Just understand that it's not overwhelming evidence, it doesn't end the argument, the only people who'll think that it does are people who already fucking agree with you.

You have failed to understand the post, try again.

>2 posts by this ID

I'm already positive you can't give a good enough explanation as to why it's a bad idea.

Computers will replace humans for almost everything. What then?

jesus they are ugly people in Denmark. Do you let them breed?

Nigga, you see too many Alex Jones.
The problem is that too much debt, inefficient economy and ethnic-racial clashes will lead to the collapse of the state before someone or something can take steps to stabilize.

The USSR was to create a Communist New World Order, but his economy could not stand it, the country collapsed.

cause it’s a great idea you fucking mope and thats coming from the guy that’s gonna be paying for it

I retired at 25. Started a new company at 27

You get bored dude, trust me. You’ll do something else and it’ll probably be your passion aka what you’re actually good at and society will be better for you doing it

>Wages of the majority of the labor force is Majority of the labor force now sit on his ass to get the 20k
>Production is in free fall
>Price skyrocket
Who could have seen that comming?

FREE MONEY!!11!! WHAT'S NOT 2 LIEK?!?!

It's not about AJ, nominally and realistically, the only place in the world that still have freedom and free speech is as a matter of fact the United States of America, if they destroy that, expect the same level of bullshit the UK is experiencing right now with their police state.
This was already on the UN papers since the 50s and before.

also don't forget absolutely unending, expensive, murderous ""foreign policy""; could put the complicit death toll for it at 10mil if you're trying to, and assign complicity for South American and Southeast Asian CIA-supported pogroms, as well as casualties for Korea/Vietnam

USSR's demise was expedited by the costly war in Afghanistan, and now the US has been there going on 17 fukken years, and everywhere else besides

Do Americans have no reading comprehension or is everyone in this thread screeching "leafs" just because they're refugees from Reddit that want to be one of the cool kids?
OP is saying UBI is a bad idea, fucking read.

Also, your intelligence already figured out that Communism doesn't work, even though they are not chanting it on the streets, because you can't expect a Russian to admit have ever done a mistake.

Okay, if we remove the planning system, we get the same Keysianism which was in Japan 90s.

Did this help Japan deal with economic problems? NO

Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ALWAYS

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Oh and Google Maps

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Because lots of people want to exist without difficulty, without work, without discomfort, without worry, without fear. Universal basic income and other forms of gibs represent those things in their minds. They aren't seeing the larger picture down the line, they're just thinking of themselves and living today.

Everything worth doing is difficult. Work is what gives us purpose. Discomfort, worry, and fear are some of the strongest motivators behind innovation. Necessity is the mother of invention, and if our ancestors didn't face a laundry list of things which would destroy them if they fucked up on a regular basis, there wouldn't have been anything forcing us to come up with better technology, to discover new inventions, new forms of energy, better ways of accomplishing tasks. the entire field of STEM exists because human beings struggle. Take away the struggle and what do we do? We stagnate. The Star Trek society with no need for money where everyone has what they need is based on the idea that people have strong morals/principals, and extremely strong work ethics without traditional motivating factors, but because they're intelligent enough to know that they should be working hard in order to have a useful purpose in life.

We are not at a stage in development where the vast majority of people can handle that. People can barely handle personal responsibility. Look at the amount of obese people to know how many people have actual self control when nobody is forcing them to do anything other than be comfortable and feel good. Giving the populace free money for nothing would be the largest disaster in modern recollection for humanity. Not only would it attempt to satiate the insatiable masses of idiots who cannot handle the responsibility of a life led to better yourself, but it would debase and destabilize those of us who are actually productive right now.

I think it's a wonderful idea. Will be an excellent way to starve the welfare trash. Offer livable UBI for 10 years then yank it with no warning

5/10
8/10 would use
>insulin
kill yourself, diabetes should be a death sentence.
wind existed before denmark
as for the rest.... mid tier country would drink ol

>CIA backed South America
This is some major bullshit, the Cлýжбa внéшнeй paзвéдки have more power around here than the CIA ever had.

Yeah, the trash will get right on "innovating" ways to cause problems with 24 hours a day 7 days a week of free time.

This. If you have more means to buy stuff companies will raise their prices so they get some more money out of you.
If you want UBI you need take care of greed.

Yes, Canadians pay trash $500 a month to shit out kids. It's doing really great things for Canada

Denmark is also number one in anti depressant usage in all of euro

>wind existed before denmark

Yes it did but they were the first ones to tap that shit for energy

>Government injects gibsmedat UBI into the economy
>Corporations and boomers raise the cost of living prior to the injection
>Long time savers are undermined because of gibs
>(((Employers))) are reluctant to raise wages because they don't want to take loans, don't have enough money set aside, all the money they have set aside was meant to retain labor in the future at previously low set wages, and the inflation itself does nothing in the way of increasing production output

>The average worker makes only enough to eat and pay for housing
>Wage increases on an individual basis are limited because employers want to retain labor forever (the horses chasing a lone carrot every week)
>Taxes take another portion of the unspent wages
>Worker almost assuredly buys every item needed/desired from the largest monopolies, especially in metropolitan areas

The money flows in a closed loop from business>to labor>for room and board>to business and back again. The Jewish treadmill loses its appeal (materialism and luxury) after a while if you manage to get everything you want you realize that its all there to keep you distracted from your boredom.

The hilarious thing is that UBI would probably help destroy a significant amount of medical debt since medical bills don't have an (((interest))) component like a loan. Here I exaggerate because I hope for some Weimar tier change that would cause great damage to the Jewish system.

Next time you have a headache, bang your head with a hammer and let us know if that worked how. I mean, how can we know if you don't try?

What is stay at home mommyhood?

That's 50% of the population right there

Due free stuff lmao

Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.

I'll say one simple thing: Let it happens.
UN monstrously inefficient and corrupt system that will break itself from within.
Imagine an administrative district of 500 million people, populated by people with intelligence lower than the gorilla Koko.
And now imagine what mechanisms you can manage this system and how much it will cost.

The UN has already spent more than $ 2 trillion on the development of the Third World. Result? NULL.ZERO.HOЛЬ

P.S
People are fleeing even from North Korea. To create a network of settlements in the middle of the Siberian taiga is easy.

That's not a job that earns income, you clown.

Yes, deport non-whites

>development of the Third World.
>Result? NULL.ZERO.HOЛЬ

Not true. Ethnic cleansing wars have only ramped up with the better weapons now.

>Let it happens
No fucking way, look at how much blood wasted and good people killed in your country at one point, fuck that, and with current technology they could make this shit last.

The criteria was low-pay

And it is perfectly capable of absorbing approximately 50% of the millions and millions of people everyone is saying needs to be employed

You don't need to go to economics for the answer. Go to park management. Feeding wild animals causes dependency. Giving people free money will do the same. We already have multi generation welfare cases

Cause lazy faggots want free shit. You're not actually suggesting letting the free market handle it rather than using the government enforce their ideals!?

You mean he keeps the fishing supply store open for a lifetime* he still has to sell those fish to pay rent, and the cost of materials, cost of the boat. not to mention lost family time. it's really not worth it.