The media always portrays the middle ages as the worst time in history, leftists always say that it was an anti intellectual oppressive time in history.
What really happened?
The media always portrays the middle ages as the worst time in history, leftists always say that it was an anti intellectual oppressive time in history.
What really happened?
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If you can, find some, read translated books of Jacques Le Goff. One of the best middle ages historian who specialized in fighting the impression that they were "dark ages". These times were in many cases more comfy than today.
In reality, they paid less taxes than today (which they paid through food), they had free social security (thanks to the church) and education (church again). Yes the church played a huge role for them, but the church was the people so it's not so much of a problem.
There is much more to say but I'm lazy.
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They weren't the hellhole that they're portrayed as, but they weren't great either. Literacy was low, the church dominated everything, and living conditions were poor. However, philosophy, music, literature, and education continued to develop, chattel slavery was abolished in some countries, and the church and feudalism gave people a measure of stability in their lives. Also, until the 14th century, food was plentiful and harvests were full.
Check this out. This podcast - there are about 10 hrs of redpill on the Middle ages. Pretty accurate. Look past the title.
They are right, nobles, clergy, and kings kept the country in poverty to rob all wealth.
Yahwah "Europe" is a thousand year dark age that must be forgotten.
they also build the country that spawned you ungrateful emmigrants, fuck off mutt
US had no feudal system, it was built by anti feudalistic people post Magna carta and rights of Englishmen.
what the fuck, are you retarded?
>This podcast
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so what you're saying is that it was exactly like today
The beginning of the End of Europe. Since that sandnigger religion (((christianity))) set it's claws in Europe, everything has gotten to SHIT.
Return to your Pagan roots white man. Come home.
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England exterminated thebplague of Yahwah feudalism in 1686, long before English colonies.
>What really happened?
Well, obviously not big snakes, I can tell you that much
All depends on who you're talking to. You can tell based on whether they say middle or dark ages.
In reality, assuming you worked for a decent Lord (50/50 chance) you weren't that badly off. He'd protect you, and you had your own little hut.
The church also did things for the poor in their own way. For example, stained glass windows served as visual novels for the poor that could not read. Meanwhile, the monks were carrying on important work like transcribing ancient texts.
Definitely wasn't a perfect life. Life expectancy wasn't amazing.
"The accumulation of wealth was, then as now, the best means of upward mobility. Contrary to popular opinion, archeological evidence suggests that many peasants, even serfs, could through hard work, judicious management, clever marriage alliances (and luck, of course) acquire substantial land-holdings. They built large, comfortable houses comparable to manor houses, and could, when circumstances favored them, buy their freedom. The first step of the ladder."
So you could work your way up carefully. Also, the Templars literally reserved spaces for non-noble fighters.
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Technically feudalism didn't exist here. Elements of it were visible in the South, and some argue that there's still industrial feudalism though.
The big lie is demonizing the church when in reality it represented the main cultural center of the period. It alone preserved latin and greek culture.
Everything else is varying degree of truth, manipulated by different historians to push their own interpretation.
In France and many other countries, they had the concept of corporations. What this did was that the whole corporations managed the training of the youth in a selected job, provided a system for support when in times of trouble, provided some kind of retirement system, etc.
They were at least as much slaves as we are today, but they had actual land and a family of their own. Technology was not up to today's standards but that is something else entirely.
Fuck off Vikang. Your pagan shit is gay as fuck. Fat Amerimutts might buy that shit, we don't.
>This thread will now dubble as a medieval architecture appreciation thread.
>Since that sandnigger religion (((christianity))) set it's claws in Europe, everything has gotten to SHIT.
lel the past 1000 years is the only time you've ever been relevant.
Bumping for reading recommendations on the middle ages. Preferably from non affirmative action historians who want to talk about how Europe has always been majority African.
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>they had the concept of corporations.
I'm not sure I'd use the word corporations. The earliest corporation might have actually been the Templars, but that's a different argument.
The term I think you're looking for is 'guild' which is trade related and exists in a neutered form today.
Oh sure, they didn't have much freedom, but then again, we don't either today. Our freedom is mostly an illusion, and I'm not convinced our technology has really improved our lives other than medical tech extending it.
Oppression, ignorance, starvation, plagues, no medicine. People living average of 30 years or so in houses built of mud with straw roofs barely surviving winter to winter. Church running EVERYTHING and burning anyone who doesn't blindly obey as a witch. Crusades trying to spread that nightmare further.
It was really one of the darkest periods for humanity. Luckily it wasn't global so we somehow lasted through it.
In english it's maybe guild indeed. In french we say corporations AFAIK.
>Oppression, ignorance, starvation, plagues, no medicine. People living average of 30 years
spoken like a true degenerate ignorant shitlib
>Luckily it wasn't global
>Thinks living in china during Mongol invasions is better than living in medieval Europe
Hollywood ruined the image of the middle ages. So the Jews.
>tfw you will never feast with your bros in a bathing circle
>look how ignorant and savage they were
While they built the greatest monuments that still inspire awe to this day.
funny thing was, was that back in thos days madness was consider an illness that could spread.
kings would send a scout? to see if a village could have a road built through the village. BUT if the villagers were found "mad" they could outright ignore the village.
even funner was that any road the king owned has taxes put on it when people use it.
so villager would fake being mad and would not have to surfer an additional tax. nor any unwanted roads.
if only it was this easy to day...
The burning of the library of Alexandria and the fall of the Roman empire caused most knowledge in the Euro-sphere to disappear. It wasn't anti-intellectual, it was just a dark age of recovering lost knowledge.
when every village in your kingdom has gone mad, the king probably started asking questions
Tim o' Neil has a lot of good stuff actually.
>lived an average of 30 years
That doesn't mean they died at 30. Most people lived long, but child mortality was high for obvious reasons.
>houses made of mud with straw roofs
No.
>crusades trying to spread that nightmare further
No.
You're like a walking meme of revisionist history.
>even funner was that any road the king owned has taxes put on it when people use it.
It's still like that today, but now the king is a liberal in Toronto.
>recovering lost knowledge.
And most of that recovering was done by the church.
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>Ignorant savages reeee
a truly dark and primitive tim
>More comfy than today
>Dies at 26
Listen I'm sure it's not as bad as leftists portray it to be, but lets not kid ourselves here.
The middle ages were called the "dark ages" because of an almost complete lack of historical records, at least when the term was coined. It has nothing to do with the era being shot, because it wasnt that shit.
Looks like we found the village idiot, stay still now.
Ueah cause the viKANGZ burned them all those savages
>Made during Europe's "darkest" time
>Better than anything any other race has produced
Madness WAS contagious back then because that shit was spread through foods like shitty rye. Mad village = tainted food supply
One, the average was above 30.
Second, the age of death on tombstones is always wrongly reported (often less than the real one) because of lacks of records
Third, this average depends if you consider infantile mortality or not. If yes, then yes it's very low, but past this point people could still live long.
Regardless, all of this is entirely due to technology and not the structure of the time. We're not talking about technology differences: it was centuries ago duh, but about society, its structure and human role and place in this society.
Europe = Greco Roman, dark ages weren European, it was Semitic, Europeans didn't exist until the Renaiscance.
>oppression
Yes, to a degree
>ignorance
Illiteracy was high, but universities and learning still existed.
>starvation
Maybe in the 14th century.
>plagues, no medicine
Medical care was primitive, but some issues (obesity and dental caries) were less common. Infectious disease was a real issue, but the plague didn't hit hard until 1350.
>people living to 30
Nice meme. Infant and child mortality was high, but if you reached puberty you could expect to live at least another 30-50 years.
>mud and straw houses
Partially true but that's an oversimplification.
>barely surviving winter
Depends when and where.
>church controls everything and burns everyone as a witch if they disagree
Largely true, though witch burning didn't become an epidemic until later.
Ghose "people" were barely humans, they were as Greek and Romans would call Barbarians.
Oh yeah what king was it?
>tah maddle agas waz bad
Looks like someone doesn't actually understand what the magna carta was. Spoiler: it wasn't about the smallfolk.
>Europe = Greco Roman
Holy Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire, if you're talking about Europe being Christian you do realize Europe was 94.5% Christian in 1914 right?
>be stuck in a land forced by your great grandad
>have to till fields to give the local lord some food.
>cities are cesspools of infections,but only place to go if your family was not bestowed a fief
A typical person in the middle ages would live a lot longer average lifespan, because deaths in infancy drive the average livespan down significantly. This is true for any place and period in history without modern medicine
As I said in an earlier post, that's the AVERAGE life expectancy, skewed by the child death situation.
If you lived through your childhood, you had a good chance of making it into your 40s or 50s, which isn't bad.
Also, the Black Plague skews things too.
Oh yeah that's why many Europeans trace their lineage to the time and why many modern European languages evolved then...
>user discovers history repeats itself
>user realizes we are heading into a nother dark age
welcome newfag
Medieval stonemasons were god-tier craftsmen
>stuck on a land forced by your great grandad
More like you are given land as a birthright to work and improve on.
>have to till fields to give local lord some food
More like you live a simple but satisfying life and you pay some food tax for protection (which you still do today just more)
>cities are cesspools of infections
Only during the plague for the most part.
I kinda miss the model to be honest. If people tithed 10%, churches could be the west's social safety net, with less lost to bureaucracy and diseconomies of scale.
Go to bed lapper, no one takes your bs seriously not even you. You're literally just larping.
Lol, it's even true today. Imagine if we factored aborted babies into the life expectancy?
Yes they were. Those guilds held a lot of power. If you got into a true guild like carpentry or stonework, you were set for life.
The same europeans (French) that BTFO the semites in 732 (Tours). Same thing later in Italy since 999 (French/Normans), finally the first Crusade (1096-1099).
>btfo semites
>get invaded
>couldnt invade them and take it all
Yahwahitic Yeshuahism is more Semitic and Judaic than Islam.
Truly a backwards and ignorant time.
>imply land granted is not made smaller and small as it gets split among brother till you have a small as plot to barely make due
>city were not cess pools
They worse than roman times you shit
>no sewers, mud and poop roads
>everyone close together
The period after the roman empire? The SPQR is true Europe. When that fell Europe fell and it hasn't recovered to this day.
Western Europe has been the best region to live in, since about 1400 years ago. Everywhere in the world was oppression and injustice, but contrary to modern belief the feudal system brought the highest welfare with the available technology and midecine.
The feudal system brought slavery.
This. While the middle ages were 'barbaric and oppressive' if you are stupid enough to compare them to later periods or the modern day, but the fact is there was nowhere else that was better. There were Mongol hordes and constant Islamic invasions to contend with and the only way to keep the continent safe was feudalism and religious unity. Even compared to the Roman empire, the average serf in the middle ages was better off than the chattel slaves and eunuchs of rome.
Mass literacy and separation of church and state were two of the biggest mistakes to befall the West.
>implying you'd ever want to leave
>as opposed to paying taxes so that local kangz can eat
>implying modern cities aren't even worse cesspools of degeneracy and filth
No you dumb fuck slavery has been a thing since the dawn of man. Feudalism was an increase in rights. Serfs > slaves.
This bullshit is the reason your fucking niggers believe slavery was invented and perpetrated solely by whites. Get your fucking head out of your ads and read a book.
>1686, long before English colonies.
Jamestown was founded in 1607 and all of the 13 colonies had permanent English settlements by 1670.
Ancien Regime France wasn't nearly as bad as the faggot historians made it out to be.
Honestly it's a shame it was completely smashed by the revolution and the provinces were destroyed.
antibiotics and modern medicine didn't exist in the middle ages
without those two you'd have the same life expectancy today
It's hardly better today kek.
>Be me
>Middle class fag
>Pay over 45% tax to the guvmint
>Instead of the money going to the church to build cathedrals or the feudal lord to make a dank castle, it goes to drug addicts in the inner city
>Modern cities are cesspools of despair and violence with druggies dying on sidewalks and gang bang niggers shooting up kids.
I'd like to know more about giant snails attacking people.
>People only lived to 26
>Overpopulation was a real problem though
lel
>be uneducated savages
>no education and critical though is prosecuted by church
>die at age 15
Somehow still build incredible buildings that draw in awe struck tourists to this day.
Nothing. All history you hear is bullshit made up by the boomers. We will never know the true history of the world.
Monks were the medieval equivalent of shit posters.
The snail invasion on europe.
Thats what happened.
Id post some snails but it appears i have lost my snail folder.
As a nationalist, having no identity greater than that of my village, or at most, local Dukedom would irritate me. Sure people, especially intellectuals, had concepts of German, Italian, and French, but social cohesion was tied to the church and king instead of to concepts of nationhood.
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They got laid with 11 tho.
The truth about the Middle Ages they try to hide.
I wouldn't be so sure about that this is a realistic comparison of then to now and just to make it more realistic here's some period correct theme music for the party.
You're asking whether or not a time frame of about 600 years, from the coronation of Charlemagne in 800 to the Renaissance and Early Modern Period around 1400, was "as bad as they say." During some times, yes. During other times, no. In some places, yes. In other places, no.
It really depends on what qualifiers you are using. Were they really the "Dark Ages" filled with backwards thinking? No, and I have never met a medieval historian who will even tolerate the use of the term "Dark Ages" in his classroom. But there certainly were areas ravaged by war, disease, and famine. I'm sure a serf tending an orchard in the rolling hills of Tuscany and a serf in Central Europe, forever stuck between opposing armies eternally capturing, recapturing, and razing his village had very different opinions on whether or not they were "comfy."
Taking a picnic and spending the day relaxing and playing games in the grounds of Caerphilly castle is one of my favourite things to do.