No amount of work will overcome natural talent

>No amount of work will overcome natural talent
>Gets his ass kicked by someone who had no natural talent
Why does everyone keep saying he was right?

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>reincarnation of a demigod
>no talent

He dies anyway

>>Gets his ass kicked by someone who had no natural talent
Naruto was literally the son of the previous Ninja President and had some sort of super being in his belly. That's kind of talent.

Not the way Neji was portraying it, if you didn't pop out your mom being better than everybody you were trash in his eyes.

And his mother was from a special blood line that was rare because the clan was destroyed because others feared their power. Said bloodline specifically naturally had lots of chakra and was especially suited to containing and controlling a tailed beast.

Determination is Naruto's talent, so he was better than Neji all this time.

He just overestimated his own natural talent.

>son of the fourth hokage
>masters kage bunshin no jutsu in like a minute despite being considered a extremely difficult jutsu
>student of a ninja genius who in turn was the student of the fourth hokage
>godson and student of a hokage level legendary ninja
>reincarnation of the first hokage
>LITERAL REINCARNATION OF A DEMIGOD WHO IN TURN WAS THE SON OF THE LITERAL ORIGINAL NINJA GOD
>overpowered chakra demon from day 0
>literally given powers from the ninja god's ghost himself

We keep saying Neji was right because he was right. He simply didn't know it.

>literally the 'child of destiny' that was destined to save the world

>gets beaten by the literal reincarnation of a Ninja Jesus

Neiji was right.

Even the author admits it. Boruto was named after him.

All that can be true but he was still wrong, Naruto had to train and struggle to make the bit of progress it took to beat Neji. And short of the Sage giving out endgame powers he worked harder to improve all the way to the end.

>show tries to push the whole "hard work trumps talent" theme
>Naruto was essentially born with the most power in the whole series
>all of the most powerful characters are ones who belong to a certain bloodline/were born with some sort of special ability
>Meanwhile, Rock Lee, a true "power through hard work" character is a joke, and remained as such for the whole series
Kishimoto really had no idea what he was doing with the themes in this manga, did he?

Well, we at least have Guy

That training and struggle only meant something because Naruto already had the Nine-tails in him, along with perfect genes from his super-special mother and Fourth Hokage father. If he didn't have those, he could work 5 times harder and still lose to Neji.

>gets his kicked by Naruto using the demon fox he had implanted at birth
Isn't that pretty much the same as inborn talent, if not worse?

Also, I don't know why the theme was "talent vs effort" when the so called geniuses like Neji and Sasuke are shown to train as hard as everyone else.

>All that can be true but he was still wrong, Naruto had to train and struggle to make the bit of progress it took to beat Neji
A meaningless point as Neji also had to train for his own abilities. Both had inborn hax and Naruto won because his was haxer, not because he put in more effort.

>someone who had no natural talent
I don't remember the bread and butter ninjas having the potential to save the world.

wasn't neji the reincarnation of the brother of the sage of 6 paths?

Neji lost because he underestimated Naruto and had a glass jaw.

No.

>massive chakra pool inherited from his mother
>secondary near infinite chakra pool that he can tap into some birth

>needed to train for 5min to un lock shadow clones


Yeah he worked real hard

>Ways Neji was right
Their are some gaps you can't overcome just by trying hard
>Ways Neji was wrong
You shouldn't just give up and cry about the hand you're dealt. Sakura and Kakashi are both proof that you dont have to be a special chosen one to be important

but he could've been. Seriously. Why are naruto and sasuuke the only reincarnations of their ancestors?
There is so much potential and kishimoto just sucks naruto and sasuke dick

Sakura was chosen by Tsunade. Kakashi obtained a hax eye.

>Warming:The amount of friends is not sufficient. bonuses not active

sakura got carried to victory and kakashi got carried by victory by the coolest guys sharingan.
The coolest guy could've taken back that eye anytime too.

Weren't all three of the Sannin also proof of that? I don't remember any of them belonging to any powerful bloodline, but then again, it's been a while since I read Naruto

Not to mention samurai did nothing of importance after the tournament arc.

Except kakashi was also the offspring of a legendary ninja

Because they're the main characters?

When the sage showed up was he going to say "oh yeah, and the other brother is that dude with the hole in his chest rotting other there. Guess we can't save the world lol."

Sakura was still useless up until the last page.

Well she was a great battlefield medic, I don't like her but I gotta give her that.

She was the authors constant reminder that hard work cannot surpass talent.

Just like Naruto was the reminder that talent will always surpass hard work.

Because you can see it in real life. The ones who are at the top are born naturals while the ones who are subhuman but continue to work hard are reduce to mediocre positions in life.

As it should be, because you don't want the trash of society to be running things otherwise you get things like communism and socialism which have all failed in the end and in the wake you get the rise of the inferior races such as the poo in the loos and the alla snakbars who commit acts of violence and terrorist when they don't get their way like liberals always do.

True, but there are plenty of skilled medics. She was nowhere near as important as Kakashi, much less Naruto.

How come both the sage and his brothers powers were needed to seal the old lady, but naruto+sasuke is only the sages powers and not his brothers?
How could they seal her with half the power?

> Talks about natural born talent all day

> Get's the shit punched out of him by the essential reincarnation of a ninja God's son with a tailed beast demon stored inside of him

> Said person continues to fuck his sister while he remains dead after jobbing in a war

What did Neji do to deserve this?

he was my favourite character in that PSP game a decade ago

Neji died, rock lee was irrelevant and Guy became a cripple.
Naruto became hokage.
Hard work means shit in that universe.

Naruto has inhuman levels of stamina and durability, is talented with one really powerful gimmick (like all genin in the series) and also has super strength and unlimited chakra from foxy the edgelord.

Also the way the series ends, unless if you have special god like powers from birth, you are completely worthless in the naruto universe.

Neji was 100% right all along.

You clearly aren't old enough to browse Sup Forums, fuck off you edgy kidshit.

Neji was wrong because his whole thing was that you should just roll over and deal with the hand you were dealt with when you were born.

He was saying that Naruto shouldn't have tried to improve and get better. That Lee shouldn't have tried to be a ninja because of his lack of chakra.

yeah there's some gaps that can't be overcome by hard work alone, but you shouldn't just sit there and cry about it without trying to make things better for yourself.


>Weren't all three of the Sannin also proof of that?

Tsunade was the 2nd Hokage's granddaughter, but that was it. Jiraiya and Orochimaru weren't members of any powerful bloodlines.Neither was Minato.

I though the sage passed his power to his sons (the brothers), thus passed the same power to Naruto/Sasuke?

By themselves the brothers were just normal. As normal as super ninjas can be.

yeah but the sage didn't seal the old lady by himself. Hamura did it with him. Naruto and sasuke didn't get that power. Neji and Hinata have that power. It would have made more sense for naruto and hinata to seal the rabbit girl

>He was saying that Naruto shouldn't have tried to improve and get better. That Lee shouldn't have tried to be a ninja because of his lack of chakra.

He was right though. Naruto didn't need to train as he was handed so many free power ups.

Rock Lee shouldn't have bothered ad he never did anything ever

>Also the way the series ends, unless if you have special god like powers from birth, you are completely worthless in the naruto universe.

Except Naruto still has advisers, bodyguards and other people around him. Just cause you can shoot energy blasts doesn't mean you are perfect in all ways.

I'll give you the Six Path powerup but he did put in work every other time he improved.

>Neji and Hinata have that power.
What?
>It would have made more sense for naruto and hinata to seal the rabbit girl
What?

I don't remember nearly enough about who is related or reincarnated from who to keep up with this.

Aside from the Rasengan what else did he work hard on? And I mean REALLY work hard on. Getting Kurama to make you glow in the span of 1 week isn't the same as a lifetime of hardwork.

Naruto was handed nearly everything in life.

Neji and Hinatas clan are the descendents of the brother of the sage of 6 paths

>tapping into kyubi chakra when angered for free
>itachi implanted ultra powerful sharingan
>kyubi becoming friendly and giving full Chakra

Why are there eye powers weaker than the sages offspring?

I completely don't remember that. I just remembered that the Hyuga's were the pre-timeskip Uchiha's in terms of "super special clans".

because the brother of the sage was weaker than him.

watch The Last movie.

Umm... liberals are the edgy ones after all they committed acts of riot after Trump one and yesterday they rioted UC Berkly to the point the liberal rioters beat a man unconscious.

So it is obvious you don't know much about what is happening in the outside world.

Dude what the fuck are you even talking about, are you telling me you're actually as retarded as you seem?

What did Naruto work for in Part 2 lmao, I remember he did Sage mode training, and then training to awaken his tailed Beast aura but that's literally it besides him inventing new Rasengan techniques every fucking arc

>watch The Last movie
What's the name?

Learning the Rasenshuriken, Sage Mode, even the glowing form had to be obtained by beating Kurama into submission.

Don't do this here.

>itachi implanted ultra powerful sharingan
Man I can't get over what a shitty person Itachi was.

>gonna save my village my murdering my whole clan
>let's give my brother motivation to live on
>opps I made him an edgelord
>I'll let him beat me after becoming an edgelord so he'll be able to live a normal life from now on
>opps he met Madara who I worked for and knew would try and recruit him
>Madara told him my life story and he's edgier than ever
>I know! I'll implant Naruto with an eye to mind control Sasuke into protecting the village he hates against his will!

>I always loved you Sasuke.

For being a super genius he sure was fucking retarded.

Neji never said that you wouldn't have to put in work.
If you believe he was saying that as long as you're gifted then everything will be handed to you then you're misunderstanding him.
He was saying that natural talent is the deciding factor, but not that your life would be a stroll in the park just because of that, which is pretty much how it applies to Naruto.

>What's the name?
Dohoho.

Yeah I only read the manga and watched the Boruto movie. Anything extra is all unknown to me.

The Last: Naruto the Movie

Why are you so defensive about me speaking the truth? I was commenting on why natural talent is looked upon while hard worked is shit upon.

The 3 Sanin were still the students of the 3rd hokage. Also they were born during wartime so they were naturally stronger.

I'm not even gonna touch on any politics, I'm just commenting on his apparently deficient brain. Like how the fuck did he even manage to take my reply as an invitation to go on a sperg about his semi-political obsessions?

>naruto
>no natural talent
kekus orbitus

don't reply to Sup Forums. Just report them and ignore them. I almost took his bait but thought the better of it. Be the bigger person. Like naruto

Neji was my favorite character
I'm still mad as fuck about what happened.
He is literally the only "relevant" character that managed to not be ressurected because kishi hated him

Ironically its actually the second last movie...

naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sage_Mode
>Users of Sage Mode must possess "extreme chakra levels" to invoke senjutsu.[2]
Not his natural talent. Thank Kurama again.

>Naruto: "I feel like I can do anything"
>Doesn't revive the 20,000 dead ninjas from the war

I will, but not because of Naruto. I don't even like Naruto past the first seven volumes or so.

Rock Lee was badass initially. Im certain that he couldve taken on neji with the beatdown he put on gaara. Guy was literally the same as lee and Im sure neji would job to him.

>Not his natural talent. Thank Kurama again.

Actually he was born with a massive chakra pool because his mom had one

Guy almost opened a death gate to shave off obito's first life bar. He gave his life to taijutsu and did crazy one punch man training but still all he could do was shave off first life bar on a guy who was not even the final boss

>themes in this manga
guy had no endgame. therms, tone and formatting kept changing at editors whim

Forgot about that.

The asshole in me also wants to say "man, good thing he was born from two super geniuses so he could inherit good things"

>kishi hated him
Why, because he banged tenten?

Like it was said by others
Naruto was:
-The son of the 4th hokage which was a genius
-Had dna from a close cousin clan of the strongest clan in Narutoverse
-Had the strongest Bijuu (minus 10 tails) in his belly
-Was trained by one of the 3 sennins
-Child of the prophecy
Last but not least:
-Reincarnation of the son of the Sage of 6 paths

Not mention given godlike powers by the Sage.

Also Neji just repeated his father path, he died to save the main family and her future husband, he just got brainwashed just like 99% of the Narutoverse by Naruto's Talk no Jutsu into thinking his mentality was wrong when it wasn't.

The whole "everyone has reason for being shit so forgive them and love them" thing got soooo bulshit

he's either baiting or retarded

I was commenting on natural talent and hard work, and how it affects real life. But of course you got defensive because of Sup Forums boogyman.

he reached the level of the first hokage according to madara, whom he nearly killed

naruto is also a retard. In the end he never improved in academia and basically hexed his way bay living 1000 lives with his clones and thus studying at 1000X normal speed

>>Gets his ass kicked by someone who had plot armor
ftfy

madara survived only by plot armor

He pretty much never developed any useful skill besides shit to fight with.

yet powerlevels had moved on. Its like guy became a master swordsman in the age of guns.

yeah he would not even have that if "hard work" was onlything he really had. Its not like he was patient, every other word out of his young self was "now now now" he wanted skills that took years in months.That is not true dedication or persistence

Honestly he's only right in a few cases. Hard work can bridge the gap except for the 5-6 people in the world who are literal reincarnations of the strongest people ever.

>Hard work can bridge the gap
except it can't. it can bridge people who are more or less equal but there are gaps in between the rankings. samurai is never going to outdo an A class ninja or even a B

But Nardo was:
>the son of Konoha's Hokage
>descendant of a clan that had lots of chakra
>through that clan, descendant of the Senju, Ashura and the Sage
>had a furry chakra nuke sealed inside him
>was the literal current reincarnation of a Ninja Demigod

Neji was 500% right.

Why did ino's dad not get rezed?

>coolest guy

Don't forget he was a literal child of prophecy that was destined to save the world. Not to mention Neji died to save him. He was so right in everyone has to stay in their station belief that he could not be more right even if it was outright stated in the manga.

Why didn't Kishi kill off Tenten who did legit nothing in the story instead of Neji? I literally forgot she existed throughout multiple points in the story.

Aryans are inferior to Slavs

Why are the Hyuga such jobbers?