'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals
The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran
common reply:
"violence can only be found in Old Testament"
"Jewish's law"
then why still include it in the Bible?
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>Old Testament.
>The laws for the Jews is more violent than the Quran.
Uh ....... doesn't this just reinforce Nazi hatred of juden?
Violence in the bible is historical context, while violence in the Quran is Mohammed telling his followers to be violent
OT: King Davids men killed many people in the war
Q: Mohammed said; "go and kill the unbelievers wherever you find them"
Both are fucked to completely live by. They were written over a millennium ago. Most western people hate Muslims because of what western media shows. Most Arabs hate westerns because of what Arab media shows.
People need to educate themselves on culture and religion. Religion can be helpful if you need moral guidelines, but progressive thinking is the most effective if we want a peaceful world.
old testament is for Christians, Chaim. Jewish law is the Talmud
The bible is largely a book of history especially in the old testament.
There is a big difference between:
>X happened
and
>Do X
>then why still include it in the Bible?
it's the base mythology of the religion.
Just as the Greek, Roman and Egyptian base mythologies were violent and crazy.
Jesus showed mankind the way, the way of the Jews was condemned and they failed to heed his words.
You have to destroy credibility of the Scofield reference Bible and derivatives.
Bible violence is limited to specific instances and noting historic events. Islam violence is instructive. Islam requires violence.
>Both are fucked to completely live by.
you are literally retarded my man, the bible answers every question you will ever have
When was the last crusade? 700 years ago.
When was the last Jihad? Well, there is one right now.
>uses Old Testament
>uses Roman atrocities against Christians
Oy vey, the christians are just as bad as Muslims!
This
>why it included?
Because it shows The prophecies that Jesus fulfilled.
Or if your a hat tipper, it’s like the Silmarillion. It provides context and history for the New Testament
Also: The Bible has its own "reform" in the new testament where it's tamed down significantly.
The quran went from relatively tame to batshit crazy in the newer parts, which are the parts that count in a seeming contradiction according to the hadiths and pretty much every islamic scolar (except for gullible cucks and taqiyya-faggots).
The main issue is that the directives and happenings in the Bible are left open to interpretation. Since Martin Luther, there has been widespread debate on what exactly the Bible means to say in specific areas, and in only relatively few cases can you find an instance of a particular directive being universally understood to mean the same thing across all denominations.
The Quran is slightly different in that it hasn't really gone through the same kind of massive reformation. The reason for this is that the Quran states that it is not only the word of God, but the FINAL AND UNALTERABLE word of God. Any attempt to reform Islam is therefore somewhat of a heresy by definition. Thus, the religion remains as backwards as it was 1400 years ago.
Pretty sure this doesn't take into account the fact that the quran is much shorter than the bible. Also the hadiths were likely not included in this analysis even though they are also considered binding holy texts for muslims.
If the bible really is "twice as violent" as the blahbran then can you imagine how fucking violent muzzies would be if they followed the former instead? I mean...God damn..
It's because most of the violence is in the hadiths. Compare the new testament to the hadiths and your argument falls apart. Christians don't follow the old testament anyway.
they're two fundamentally different kinds of books. the bible is a literary anthology while the quran is more like "selected essays"
Instead of looking at ancient books, focus on what the people think.
The majority of Muslims in the world, even in the West, believe apostates should be murdered, homosexuals should be thrown off buildings, adulterers should be stoned and so on and so forth.
Islam is incompatible with civilization. Not Western civilization. Any civilization.
The buddhists in Burma and Western China are doing what must be done.
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The bible has the old testament as part of "learning from history of what not to do" new testament has no violence.
The reality is Christianity has been neutered and Islam has not there for Islam is more radical in the danger to Western values as well as the world so fuck off with your bullshit
This.
That is literally false. Commonality is based on concentration of the word not total instances.
>violence in the Torah
>"THE BIBLE IS BAD!"
Interesting that Jews don't get the blame for a Jewish book.
then why are they terrorists?
Deus Vult
Does this (((text analysis))) say anything about the passages of violence? Descriptions of violence are not necessarily the same as calls to violence against others, though it might be hard to understand the difference if you're mother is your father's aunt and sister.
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4 jew is kill
how will they ever recover
Also fakse because this ignores the Shira and Hadiths which are loaded with violence and inspire all of the modern Islamic terrorism
>then why still include it in the Bible?
The Koran does not repudiate the old testament and Muslims consider it to be valid for "people of the book" purposes. Therefore Muslims do not get to distance themselves from it and consider their Koran in a vacuum, while saddling Christianity with the inherited violence of the old testament's chronicling of Jewish battles.
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>They were written over a millennium ago.
>If it's old it's invalid
Fuck off.
Who’s more violent in real life?
(((Old))) testament vs. (((New))) testament
But why can you divorce one from historical context and not the other? Why is an ancient desert tribe killing en made different from a medieval desert tribe killing en masse? In the Old Testament he Jews basically massacre the Canaanites and Phillistines under direction from God. How is that different than Mohammed destroying his rivals and telling his followers to do the same?
OH GEEE i wonder who could be behind this article
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> Owned by a Saudi
That’s wrong. The Quran depicts battles fought by Muhammad. Context is very important in order to understand the Quran.
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Muslims have standing commands to violently attack and subjugate non-Muslims.
Christians have standing commands to complete pacifism.
>Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
>Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
>Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
>Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
>Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
I have a better question, why concern yourself with sandnigger religion?
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I can have a great conversation with you about this, but tell me you're going to respond in good faith. Your meme flag doesn't help your case. Google (spelling, drunk after exams) abrogation or Naskh.
Found the French Muslim. Yes, context if very critical, but very few Islamists I've met will actually put the Qurran into context and explain why it's important.
>"And them that take the sword shall perish by the sword"
>Beep boop I analyzed three violent words: sword, perish, sword
>"Smite the infidels and you'll be in heaven"
>Beep boop I only found one violent word: smite
yeah no
and even assuming that's true, it doesn't really matter, when there's smoke there's fire, and I don't see any smoke that says christian fanatics blowing themselves up for their religion
Koran contains also contains OT stories recaps so how does this not count as Violence there?
>OT: King Davids men killed many people in the war
Which Waged war on Because the were Gentile and Killed because they are Gentile.
The Oddest Jesus is somehow a "Jew" nowadays and Jews praised for Jesus
Even they choice Barabbas and imagine Jesus cooked in Shit.
Jesus tried bring God to the Gentile instead genocide them
Also it doenst matter anways what they books saying
if the illiterate incest dessert monkeys come here and kill us. SEND THEM BACK!
the bible tell stories. the quran gives orders
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The problem with this, and I'm not even Christian, is that the Old Testament is succeeded by the New Testament, where all that Love Thy Neighbor shit is. The New Testament is also the primary focus of mainstream Christianity, with the Old Testament being seen as outdated, allegorical, or otherwise irrelevant.
The Koran is actually the opposite -it gets increasingly violent as it goes on.
This very simple concept is what the "Christianity is just as bad/even worse!" crowd fail to understand.
"You should go kill unbelievers wherever you find them"
"Samson killed some Philistines with a donkey jawbone a long time ago"
>How is that different
That's a pretty disingenuous question even for someone with the commie scum flag.
OT is more for the jews too.
Don't forget that Islam has Naskh and their verses are out of order. First you have to kill people to argue over the "proper" order and decide what is the last point made and that wins.
He can get his dick slapped with facts, but they never argue in good faith and never have basic logic.
>'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals
But Christians and Jews are not mindless fuck bugs who follow a book when deciding how to conduct themselves when it comes to how to treat other people.
>text analysis reveals
When did we stop calling it reading?
>OT: King Davids men killed many people in the war
>Which Waged war on Because the were Gentile and Killed because they are Gentile.
No, God gave clear reasons why he wanted the Israelites to fight against the Canaanites who dwelled in the Promised Land, and it had nothing to do with them merely being Gentiles. The Bible never commands the Jews to fight against all the Gentiles across the world, to conquer the Egyptians, the Babylonians, etc. The Bible requires the Jews not to mistreat the Gentiles that pass through their country and even settle there.
Have they done this analysis with Muhammad's biography as well?
>He can get his dick slapped with facts, but they never argue in good faith and never have basic logic.
Exactly. It's pointless to even discuss this shit with these people. The only useful purpose this thread serves is to review the arguments against this propaganda so we're aware of them when normies bring this shit up IRL.
Ignoring how non specific the claim is, does it take into consideration the fact that the Bible is almost twice as long as the Quran?
The bible is a set of stories which followers are supposed to read in order to derive context and value for their personal lives.
The Quran is a rigid book of directives that tell its followers precisely what to do and how things are.
I'm interested you fucking nigger.
A history book would also be have a lot of violence in it. The Bible/Old Testament is a history book.
The real question, what are the final marching orders of the bible and the quran?
It could be 100 times more violent it only helps prove the point on how terrible islam really is how many Old Testament terrorist attacks have their been in recent history? check m8 atheist.
>The Old Testament
But no one follows that anymore?