This thread is for discussion of property rights, self-determination, natural order, right-libertarianism and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace. Reminder that this is the Libertarian RIGHT General. Left-Libertarians, Cosmopolitan freaks, Open borders cucks and other assorted libertine degenerates need to fuck off.
>LIBERTARIANISM DOES NOT MEAN OPEN BORDERS, MORAL DEGRADATION, HYPER-INDIVIDUALISM OR LAWLESS CHAOS. /lrg/ IS THE A STAND AGAINST THE LEFT-LIBERTARIAN AND ANTI-MORAL LIBERTARIAN MENACE, DON'T COME HERE PREACHING THAT GARBAGE AND DONT ASSUME WE SUPPORT THOSE LOSERS.
Questions are welcome, however many are repeated often. We advise you research the basics before asking.
Still don't see how minarchists can have a left/right orientation when there's no government to institute policies.
Ian Rogers
Anarcho capitalosts are GAY
Thomas Moore
Because the state isn't necessary for bringing about a right wing community or nation?
Anarchism could also be seen as a free market of idea (so long as these ideas respect property rights). Yes, people could be degenerate, but it's a safe prediction to say that right wing conservative values will be stronger and more prolific.
Private property is also the very means by which right wing (white) communities can form and reject degenerates/leftists/minorities.
Camden Powell
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Ryan Scott
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Noah Fisher
Good to see this coming back onto Sup Forums.
Zachary Bailey
We need a government, a MINIMUM government you fucking statist
John Garcia
The typical liberal response to libertarianism is shit. What the state achieves through taxations means fucking nothing. Really the state doesn't achieve anything, it is not an individual, it is the individual people who achieve despite the state. Any high-achieving state would do better without the state.
In fact, all of these "liberal responses" are bull, not sure what the point of including them is. Liberals will always have a retarded response to any idea you present, they are pigeons who crap on the chess board.
>Libertarianism's refusal to take a stand against degeneracy What? This is not a part of libertarianism at all. >Outside of people like Hoppe Oh I see, so you remove all right-wing libertarians from libertarianism and then shit on whatever dredges you've got left.
Jesus, this whole image is 'non argument'
Nathan Scott
>want the abolishment of the state >get called a statist
Once you start forcing your will upon "degenerates" you become the state.
You are literally a fascist parading as a libertarian, much like how North Korea calls itself a "democratic republic".
Pls kill self.
Robert Sanchez
Libertarian Traitor Cuckold
Aaron Scott
And how do you suppose we're supposed to maintain a libertarian social order if we just let degenerates, communists, and democrats operate freely and openly amongst us?
If you were a priest, and a stripper came into your church, would you not throw her out?
Tyler Baker
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Ryan White
Ancap is a literal meme ideology only followed unironically by autistic teens, even antifa anarchists are more likely to abolish the state than you fedora cunts
Evan Torres
Cuck, mussolini was a communist degenerate obama voter theres no need to make him look like an antifa member, he openly supported antifa!
Dylan Morris
Was that an attempt at an argument? Sorry friend, you must have made a small mistake there. In order for anyone to take you seriously, you should probably consider making a rational point rather than simply lashing out emotionally like those antifa retards. You can do better user, I believe in you.
Cameron Turner
The state violates individual's rights, we do not. I will not ever violate even the most degenerate person's rights if they have not done so to me or someone else, I will never support the violation of their rights.
However, I am well within MY RIGHTS to deny them service, ignore or ostracize them, deny them access to my property, and encourage other individuals to do the same. I am within my rights to live among like-minded individuals, and it is within our rights if some landlord wishes to impose certain anti-degeneracy rules for renting.
Easton White
Minarchy still has a government, retard.
Jaxson Rivera
Do you know how to read?
Libertarianism IS NOT against >race realism >discrimination (for example, discrimination against individuals who choose to 'express themselves' through rainbow dildo suits) >responding violently to violations of property (people coming into somewhere they do not own and forcing the owner or those the owner has allowed there out is a violation, force is justified)
It is private property that gives us the very means to defend against communists, hippies, marxists, and welfare leeches. Those that violate property must be expelled or removed from existence. They must be excluded from society, at minimum.
Samuel Bennett
Bump advocating for the removal of degeneracy and statist cucks.
Nathan Roberts
Plz stop appropriating socialist terminology thx.
Levi Murphy
>1 post by this ID You haven't made a single ""argument"" in this thread. If you want to keep repeating an unoriginal phrase you learnt off molymeme to give yourself a false feeling of superiority be my guest. Ironically molyneux isn't even ancap anymore.
If you remove the social safety net low-iq shitskins won't want to come to your country.
William Collins
I have no reason to ignite an argument when you enter the thread flinging shit. Silly that you assume that I took that off of Molyjew by the way. Do you think it's a new concept to not engage with people that just enter a thread autistically screeching?
Austin White
Thank marx that dictators like pinochet are no longer in power and the world is finally accepting the eternal true materialistic dialectic.
Cooper Morris
Love how ancaps always assume they'd be the ones with all the money and power in their imaginary ancap world, instead of being a literal cucked slave to whichever corporation had the strongest private military.
Noah Walker
Look, a faggot Look, an even bigger faggot! How could you possibly think that calling us autistic teenagers (despite the fact that our ideology was founded by a bunch of middle aged or elderly men) following a meme is an argument? All you're doing is insulting us, and then making a baseless claim (antifa being more likely to abolish the state). You again insult and an make an assumption with no basis, calling us fedora cunts.
Do you need to people to explain every fucking word to you just to understand the basic concept of an argument, and that your post wasn't one?
Andrew Cruz
No one has a monopoly upon linguistics. Anarcho Capitalism is a pretty shit name all things considered, because it's way too easy to consider it anti-heirarchy. I prefer Free Market Enthusiast, Private Property Society Advocate, or Esoteric Libert/aryan/ist personally.
Ethan Morgan
I love how you assume companies will just infinitely grow into state-like entities without the institution of the state to aid them and remove them from competition/ethics.
Asher Ward
Interesting how whenever someone points out that ancap is a meme ideology it' "not an argument" but saying "get in the helicopter statist xD" somehow is. Your ilk are constantly throwing shit at everyone else for being "collectivists" but can't handle being attacked. Truly pathetic.
Eli Campbell
Ancaps steal names just like capitalists steal the workers’ surplus value.
Cameron Lopez
When did we ever imply that we were arguing with you? What the hell is there to argue against?
Josiah Diaz
How did the state arise from nothing then idiot? Your whole ideology is based around the state being antithetical to the "free market" even though nation states literally arose from the anarchy of pre-civilization. Whenever there is a vacuum it is filled by an entity. This has happened thousands of times throught history. Stop being retarded.
Adam Howard
>esoteric
Ian Reed
The worker and employer sign a voluntary contract. Even if I entertained the notion that the money made is 'the worker's surplus value', he is still in an arrangement where he has agreed that this shall go to his employer. He can end the contract at any time, and of course this means he loses his ability to make use of the employer's resources.
Brayden Lopez
Capitalists ignore the inherent power disparities between workers and bourguasi. Read some marx so that you’ll understand basic economics.
Jordan Foster
You seem really pissed my guy. Our ideology is not about the free market at all, you have a fundamental misunderstanding. Our ideology stems about natural law, undeniable truths. Humans act, humans own themselves, there are scarce resources. Because of this, the only way for humanity to avoid violent conflict and have peaceful resolution is through property ethics, assigning exclusive ownership of scarce goods. Otherwise people in their actions, desiring to change the world around them, will conflict over the use of these scarce goods.
Luke Allen
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Colton Gray
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Christian Jenkins
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Christopher White
Saying that some ideology is or is not valuable without any reason is just an opinion and not an argument. If you want to explain why you think an ideology is not valuable, then you have to be prepared with some kind of defense of your claim. Just as it is upon me to defend my claim that ancap is a great ideology if I bring it up. I wouldn't expect anyone to accept my opinion if I just went around saying "AnCap is the best ideology, you should join it!" without any supporting arguments. Come on user, you're right at the precipice of reason. Just a little further and you might be able to squeeze out an original thought, or at least an unoriginal thought that you came to on your own.
Logan Martin
The materialistic dialectic is the only law in sociology. Your fake capitalist values are a social construct.
Noah Kelly
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Samuel Rogers
See here you are again making a "point" without making any argument. user are you challenged? Is everything okay?
Jayden Reyes
Says you, tiny penis
Brayden Sanders
Marxist superior intelligence is too much for confused proletariat that defends its opressors. Sad!
Lucas Carter
Marxist tiny penis! Sad!
Thomas Thompson
Not all people are capable or willing to go through the long process of transforming a natural good into a consumer good. Not everyone wants to take the risk of putting a consumer good on the market. Some people prefer instead to sell their labor in return for an immediate return on their investment, while others are willing to suspend their gratification to generate a greater deal of value. Workers are those with higher time preference, Capitalists are those with a lower time preference. Capitalists' profits are the reward they obtain for proper forecasting of a market, assuming the risk of taking a good to market, waiting for a good to sell on the market, and organizing the process by which a natural good (or intermediate capital good) is transformed into a saleable consumer good(or intermediate capital good). Why would you try to force all people into one class or the other? Why would you force all workers to be capitalists, or all capitalists to be workers? This is unfair to those who value things differently than others, and extremely unfair to those incapable of being a capitalist due to their mental limitations.
Joseph Long
Is penis the only thing you can think of? Clearly an effect of excessive capitalism!
Levi Anderson
Don't even waste your time on him, he is one of "those" people
Nathan Brooks
The workers should control the means of production and plan democratically.
Kayden Sullivan
Yeah it's almost always better to just laugh at communists of all natures. There's nothing more funny than >Read some marx so that you’ll understand basic economics >Marx >economics What a fucking retard lmfao
Joshua Lewis
Typical capitalist has no arguments against the all mighty marx!
Josiah Moore
Is the workers the only thing you can think about? Clearly an effect of excessive faggotry!
Lucas Lee
Remember why we do this - we want to be free from the immoral state so that we can be moral people. We want to be free from leftist subversion and state interference so that we may in peace live as part of a healthy community, and have a healthy family.
The world we live in right now is hostile, it is poison, and as it stands we cannot have what as human beings we need and desire. This toxic environment must be cleansed if we are even to exist.
Christopher Rogers
If you read marx you’d turn into a communist. You are just scared of having to admit the superiority of socialism.
Josiah Ortiz
Not all workers wish to accept the risk of being the owners of the means of production. Not all workers are capable of properly managing the means of production. The people that should own the means of production are those that are willing to accept the risk of owning them and are capable of managing them. Those that are bad at this should fail, not be propped up by society. Those that are good at this should be rewarded, to further promote more adequate resource allocation into the hands of those good at production.
Charles Thomas
Both men and women are workers. Typical reactionary view.
Luis Phillips
Capitalism is immoral.
Brody Miller
ah-bloo-bloo
Christian Garcia
In capitalism the proletariat has all the risk and no reward. In communism the proletariat has both the reward and risk.
Hunter Turner
So you admit to being a nigger faggot who sucks dick because MUH EGGS BLOY TAY SHUN
Lucas Lee
You should learn how to spell.
Evan Cook
Join our discord you faggots
Ryder Powell
Don't feed the troll
Jack Lewis
You cucks kicked me
Brayden White
In what way? I feel as if my post here adequately expresses how the capitalist is the one that has to suspend his return on his investment in order to generate the profit he is after. The "proletariat"/worker is the one who has no risk, as he is selling his labor for an immediate return on his investment. There is no risk, because if the company fails, the worker already has his money, while the Capitalist is on the line for all of the value he has suspended in the process of consumer/capital goods generation. Don't make assertions without some kind of argument backing them up m8.
Wyatt Thompson
What was your handle and why were you kicked?
Noah Russell
If factory goes down the proletariat loses its jobs and starves while the capitalist just changes business or asks the government for handouts.
Hudson Brown
Nah(AUS-QLD)#8335, i told them i called someone statist cuck here or smthn they didnt tell me
Christian Ross
do you have the pdf of these books
Nicholas James
You read libraries of books written by autistic jewish economists
why not read a book by the man who founded philosophy itself?
Anthony Howard
This isn't true at all. Labor is one of the most mobile goods available to the vast majority of people. If a factory shuts down, the worker can go to another factory or another industry and their labor would be just as valuable there as it was in the original factory. Labor is always in demand by capitalists for their goods production, so people with valuable labor will always be able to find someone to purchase it. The capitalist, on the other hand, has lost out on everything they had invested into that factory. All of the value that was held up in the process is lost or must be liquidated at very low prices in order to recoup on the losses. Also, not all capitalists have a massive supply of wealth, like you seem to imagine they do. Only rather successful capitalists will have the ability to transfer to another industry or start another factory after a market failure without missing a beat.
So, no, the risk is in no way on the worker. They get their money and they get out when things get hot. Capitalists are the ones with their wealth "stuck" in the process of market goods actualization.
John King
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Landon Taylor
You were a shitposter who's shitting up the thread too, remove yourself.
Aiden Lewis
Most of them are available for free at the mises.org . I'll link one
Capitalists allways maintain a pool of unemployed. Read some marx so that you can understand basic economics.
Isaac Clark
>Read Marx >Basic economics
Kek.
Oliver Rogers
Don't retreat behind your books to avoid supporting your arguments. I haven't thrown away my arguments in favor of telling you to read "Man, Economy, and State" with "Power and Market", even though I could. Support your claim or go shit up another thread.
Caleb Perez
That’s right. Marx is too advanced for the average capitalist.
