Affordable healthcare
>We don't want it!
Safety net for the poor
>We don't want it!
Net neutrality
>We don't want it!
Why do americans have such a hard time getting their government to work for them instead of against them?
You are still consumers, you're still allowed to fight for your own rights.... even liberals understand this.
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>Why do americans have such a hard time getting their government to work for them instead of against them?
Like your government?
retarded pic
under NN google doesnt have to pay for any bandwidth usage
Wow, you are just what we are looking for. Let's talk about your future
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>retarded pic
very retarded: Different internet speeds are totally normal today
and that's what the picture shows
>the internet was significantly different 2years ago before NN
You knkw how you can identify shills? They don't ever explain their logic, they just make liberal-style emotional pleas
They're allowed to do exactly what your meme describes anyway under "Net Neutrality." They were allowed to give a curated (censored) experience as long as they didn't designate themselves a Broadband Internet Service Provider.
>because we don't want government intervention in our daily lives
When has the US federal government ever actually made things better?
Even the stone age tier natives saw this shit
corporations are the new monarchy. revolution part 2 fucking when?
BIG GUBMINT IS EVULLLLLLL
PRAISE BASED ISRAEL OUR GREATEST ALLY
GO TRUMP GO USA
The government never works for you. Which is why it should the absolute minimum it has to (monopolize force) and fuck off on everything else.
>Corporations are people, money is speech.
Bribery is legal. Politicians are bought and paid for.
>Political parties are sports teams and winning now means everything.
It doesn't matter if everyone loses, as long as one side is upset then the other side will claim victory.
>Going bankrupt because of medical bills is totally fine
I honestly have no idea how people rationalize this
We don't fund education because our population views teaching reality as indoctrination
Yes they do they pay to access like you do. What will change is now they will pay for your access you already paid for so something doesnt happen to their packets.
Data is data it shouldnt be normal. You pay for data to be move and they thing you are now something they can sell.
You realize the US social services are nearly bankrupt? Effectively robbing the young to pay the old the stupid.
>unelected corporations which are complete dictatorships only interested in their own promulgation work for you
This is the mind of the mutt
The UK helped found Israel you retard. Your censorship is worse than ours and you reguarly arrest people for online speech.
income tax 20%-40% (up to £45,000 and up to £150,000 respectively)
when buying products Value added tax rate of (20%) applies
plus car tax, property tax,...
they do not pay for any of their bandwidth usage under NN
>Why do americans have such a hard time getting their government to work for them instead of against them?
Thank K-Street in Washington D.C.
>affordable health care
Rates go up for middle class a shit ton, worse than ever, some companies lay off people due to hike in prices. Now better to just not go to the hospital.
>safety net for the poor
Welfare in the current state promotes staying poor vs actually working due to broken tax system
>net neutrality
Oh no streaming, social, and media sites have to actually optimize their delivery service instead of shilling the government to give them the right of way
We just love challenge
PRAISE ISRAEL
PRAISE TRUMP
PRAISE CORPORATIONS
DESTROY WHITES
MAKE THE WORLD 56%
GO USA!!!
WE NUMBER!!!!
WOOOOOOOOH
>Why do americans have such a hard time getting their government to work for them instead of against them?
>He thinks government works for the people
Oh, sweetie.
> what is the road to serfdom
oh britcuck...
DON'T TREAD ON ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>US gallons, that equates to about 76 pence per litre. Currently, unleaded in the UK is about £1.40 per litre
DEW YOO 'AVE A LOICENSE FE' THA' SCHSHCHSSSPOOOON?
>corporations are not government entities
Thanks Muhammad
>paying extra taxes for niggers healthcare and welfare
no thanks
>Having a quality healthcare system that is affordable for everyone but dindus
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>guy who has to pay for a "tv license" talks shit about a system he knows nothing about
>unelected
>dictatorship
Oi! Turn in your butter knife, you might hurt someone, and report to Muslim sensitivity training!
fucking brit
Really? Your government let a bunch of ragheads rape white children for a decade. Your country is utter shit, and your opinion meaningless. sage
>Making the working class pay for the healthcare of niggers, spics, the obese, and others who continue to be a drain on society society
We don't want it.
>Giving the same degenerates gibs, courtesy of the working class
We don't want it.
>"oy vey goyim, it's perfectly acceptable for netflix to use 39% of an isp's bandwidth while paying the same pri-"
We don't want it.
to be fair limited bandwidth is a jewish invention made up to make more money and isps make enough money to pay a shit ton to senators and lobbyists so they're probably doing okay in the profit department
PRAISE JEEEBUS
PRAISE REPUBLICANS
PRAISE DRUMPF
PRAISE THE EXTINCTION OF WHITES IN FAVOUR OF INCREASED PROFITS
britons need to work harder to pay for all the trash on the dole (minority and not) as well as their healthcare. Brits owe it to them.
>Affordable Healthcare
Obamacare isn’t affordable. The government was picking up bigger and bigger tabs, while competition was stamped out. To be affordable someone else has to pick up the tab.
>Safety Nets
We have safety nets, yet they’re abused & exploited. It should be a trampoline but instead it’s a fly trap, once you’re on it, it’s almost impossible to leave. After all if government is paying for it.
>Net Neutrality
You think that the Net wasn’t neutral before 2015? We just don’t want the government to stick it’s nose into the situation. NN was just Obama wanting to regulate the internet & make sure that the big tech companies stay in power.
Why you think George Soros spent so much money on the issue?
Also the picture you posted is what’s already happening. Google, Facebook, YouTube, and Netflix already hog the road. With NN it’s a one way freeway with Netflix & YouTube as giant semis making it impossible to bypass them. Without NN, there will be toll roads to ease congestion.
America is a country of every man for himself.
Murimutts will be murimutts!
>Affordable healthcare
Socialism BTFO! Quality healthcare FTW!
>Safety net for the poor
Socialism BTFO! Social Darwinism FTW!
>Net neutrality
Bullshit Regulation BTFO! Free market FTW!
>Why do americans have such a hard time getting their government to work for them instead of against them?
Gee, why wouldn't we want an overbearing nanny state dictating every aspect of our lives?
lettting the isps have (((editorial control))) over .. whatever the fuck
its like letting the DOCTORS have the ability to decide what is ETHICAL in their hypocratic oath
its a false flag move to let them set up
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all their cd Parent Advisory label things or to have the false bringing up about it. Then theyll move it to (((save the day))) to pretned you all went along with this.
Probably bring up to save the keeids
this video can explain better
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>PRAISE ALLAH
Keep voting against your economic interests , Inbred Cletus
I don't want to pay for a bunch of niggers gibs like some cuck
...
Fuck off kike. Death to government dependent niggers.
Editorial control just means
Censoring (YOU)
Its cute watching the shills trying so fuckin hard to use this to divide us from Trump, the desperation is real
Corporations work for whoever pays them. Government forces everyone to pay for to be monitored, threatened, and punished by its institutions.
Democracy gives you very little say in government to begin with, and that say gets smaller with each citizen added. That's before you consider the fact that modern goverments put most of their power in the hands of institutions run by unelected bureaucrats, over which supposedly superior elected representatives have a difficult time exercising any real control.
Being a customer and/or shareholder of a large corporation will give you more say in that corporation's behavior than you are ever likely to have in a government's behavior. Also, you can walk away from relationships with specific corporations. You are under the power of government whether you choose to participate or not.
yea sure what4ver im not for him just casue i voted for him. godamnit your such a cocksucker go back where you came from to england away from us real free americans real american and shit and go suck the queens dick which is what you want to do like all the british
Voting Democratic today comes with an entire list of other things you didn’t mention. Like open borders, sanctuary cities, more government spending, higher taxes, no infrastructure investment, more jobs leaving the country, more Constitution changes, and corruption to such a degree I’ve never read about in the history of this country before. That’s just off the top of my head. I live in a sanctuary city near the border and its been hell. Higher crime everywhere in the city and people being caught at the border for things you wouldn’t dream about, crimes committed near the border that American news doesn’t tell you about. Mexican news will though. Did you know some ME men were caught at the border trying to sneak in recently? Want to see what the cartels have been up to there? How about the people that are killed on American soil because a cartel member decided to shoot across the border from the Mexican side. Do leftys not realize it’s not just Mexicans that can cross over, it’s literally anyone, including people that hate Americans.
End illegal immigration. End sanctuary cities. Build the wall.
Becuase I don't want my goverment working for the poor, I want them working for people who pay their taxes and contribute to society
It’s WAY older than 2 years though...neutrality only needed to be an actual law after verizon’s lawsuit someone else talked about above. ISP’s didn’t pull crap like favoring their own content or blocking competitor’s voip apps back in the day since they obviously didn’t exist yet, hence why neutrality didn’t need actual legal enforcement.
If NN goes away and your ISP is comcast (msnbc) or time warner, (cnn) can you seriously say with a straight face that you DON’T expect them to favor their own content and throttle fox news? Don’t forget about all the jobs that might be lost if things like playing games or consuming other entertainment online isn’t affordable for most people anymore...if this really is just about competition, congress should pass a bill that keeps protections for data neutrality and privacy.
The notion that corporations will play nice without a leash is some naive ass shit. They already do everything in their power to weasel their way to acquire more money through means of questionable legality, now they don't have to worry about the legal part anymore. I literally only have one ISP available in my neck of the woods, what's stopping them from doing whatever they want, because as we already know Verizon, AT&T, etc. make agreements on what areas of they will monopolize.
What's the problem with getting rid of net neutrality. It makes sense to reduce government oversight and leave it to THE PEOPLE to decide how the Internet works
>Big ISPs throttle Internet for torrents, streaming sites and Sup Forums
3 EASY options:
>not be poor and not care because you can afford it
>stop paying for the Internet and live a productive life until you can afford it - anything you don't need to live (food, shelter), you don't need the service
>create your own local ISP that suits your needs and become a millionaire when other people sign up
Not difficult at all. Why are all the reddit shills up in arms?
Mods, sorry for the copypasta. It's an important bit of information!
Let's take a look at the legal details of net neutrality
Here's the official document: web.archive.org
Let's look at page 15-16 (pic related):
>While the net neutrality rule applies to those ISPs that hold themselves out as neutral, indiscriminate conduits to internet content, the converse is also true: the rule does not apply to an ISP holding itself out as providing something other than a neutral, indiscriminate pathway — i.e., an ISP making sufficiently clear to potential customers that it provides a filtered service involving the ISP’s exercise of “editorial intervention.”
>Such an ISP, as long as it represents itself as engaging in editorial intervention of that kind, would fall outside the rule. The Order thus specifies that an ISP remains “free to offer ‘edited’ services” without becoming subject to the rule ’s requirements . Order ¶ 556
>That would be true of an ISP that offers subscribers a curated experience by blocking websites lying beyond a specified field of content (e.g., family friendly websites). It would also be true of an ISP that engages in other forms of editorial intervention, such as throttling of certain applications chosen by the ISP, or filtering of content into fast (and slow) lanes based on the ISP’s commercial interests.
In summation, net neutrality was never what it says on the tin, and is an opt-in system. It made no difference, and was just a foot in the door for further internet regulation. ISPs could still throttle, selectively block and offer packages, with or without net neutrality.
Governments hate free speech. It allows the populace to come to terms with reality without the rose-tinted goggles of propaganda/indoctrination. It's no surprise that they are actively trying to suppress it.
start saying this meme
its like doctors being allowed to say whats ethical in their treatment in their Hippocratic Oath
and this is 100% true.
it will be a tower of babel cause all their oding is lying over everything in cluding this whole situation and trying to pretend its the (((internet)))
>All this coming from you
>"this is the end of the internet!"
All that the FCC repeal does is reverse the obama administration title II classification from 2 years ago, which means that regulatory policy remains as it existed for the vast majority of the history of the internet.
>"the internet will become just like cable TV"
>"muh tiered internet"
>"muh fast lanes"
There is not a single instance of any ISP offering a tiered internet service prior to 2015 when net neutrality was not enforced. What changed in the past 2 years?
>"but without FCC net neutrality, no one can stop ISPs from throttling legal content!"
The Federal Trade Commission already possesses the power prosecute ISPs under section 5 off the FTC Act, and will still be able to prosecute ISPs even after net neutrality is repealed. Title II is irrelevant.
>"but muh monopoly"
The Sherman Antitrust Act already makes anticompetitive arrangements illegal. Nothing about this will change by repealing title II classification.
>"y-you're just a corporate shill!"
See pic related.
repealing NN is anti consumer and Trumpshits can’t gage anything. They think what hurts reddit won’t hurt them .
You answered yourself. They are too poor and want the internet to be a handout.
americans all hate each other thus we can't agree on anything, just like russia
soon, you'll be the same thanks to multiculturalism and globalism. destroying all nationalist movements means nobody has a common ground anymore
The answer is Jews.
>pay taxes in the UK
>get healthcare, cheap university
>pay taxes in the US
>oh you make too much for cheap healthcare or university.... uh thanks for paying your "fair share"
now you understand the difference
i dont get anything for paying taxes
See There's literally no difference between last year and next year in terms of net neutrality. They're allowed to do the same things they've always been allowed to do, neutrality or no.
why don tyou make sense?
>actively trying to suppress it
suppress what? the government, let them do whatever they wwanted to anyway(isps) waht the fuck are you talking about then? nothing, because thats what you said while pretending this doesnt matter again
Lol, against my economic interest. I'm in the tax bracket that gets absolutely railed by this bullshit spending. Not rich enough to keep all my money in offshore tax havens, but making enough to have the fucking gibs eat away a huge chunk of my earnings. Why is it so hard for Euros to believe that people simply want freedom from government theft at the end of a gun?
BTW - ad hominem = you lost.
You literally fell for reddit-tier corporate propaganda.
Read this and hang your head in embarrassment.
Americans are trying to get rid of government
But trump supporters are poor inbred dumbfucks too. This will hurt them as well
BECAUSE THEY ARE BOUGHT, WE HAVE NO FUNCTIONAL LAWS PREVENTING CORRUPTION.
FOXES RULE THE HENHOUSE
>ignoring the content and details of the post, going straight to the end and saying I'm unintelligible.
Disgusting.
I'm convinced that either side is willing to put up with shit as long as you spin it in such a way that it's the other sides fault.
"We didn't need this, it was Obama overreaching!"
That's the main thing I hear, the internet was fine for years without it, they put the big D on it, and move on, forgetting that the FCC was stopping shit like services being denied for years before this, until they got SUED by a ISP that lost it's court case saying the FCC did not have the authority.
So what did the FCC do? Exactly what the ISP said they had to do to CONTINUE to do the things they were already doing.
How did this get turned into something "We never had or needed?"
The promise that they won't do it has already been broken, even the shitty EULA promise for NN was removed by at least one large ISP.
You want me to trust companies that have a oligarchy after they've already wasted billions in tax payer money with no repercussions?
there is no such thing as editorial content control over the internet
until this shit
and i dont think its this shit i think its some court case but idont know how they chanbged what the fuck the internet is(information) to whtaver they think that it is now. with some way to LABEL sites. Information is just that, INFORMATION there isnt a laberl on that
everything that has a label is used to do divide and conquer shit with
why did big companies support it so heavily?
>there is no such thing as editorial content control over the internet
This is how I know you didn't read all of what I posted.
THE PEOPLE aren't deciding how it works though. It's literally the companies. And I'm not sure how the internet works over there, but ISPs have an oligopoly. There are apartment blocks and entire neighborhoods that have deals with 1 ISP for example.
Also
>start your own ISP
Good luck getting the local tax breaks that the ISPs get without lobbying for them.
>I literally only have one ISP available in my neck of the woods
If you look into the reasons for this, youll find that government-established barriers to entry (limitations on new wiring, etc.) are the cause. The companies that benefit encourage this, but it's only possible because government power was expanded enough to create such regulations in the first place. Limit government and regulatory capture ceases to be a viable option.
which big companies? i doubt netflix supported it
NN isn't about free speech, even if that's true. You can be for it or against it on regulatory and economic grounds, but it has nothing to do with free speech.
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>Doesn't understand the free market or a poorfag
Exactly.
>muh drumpf
Not an argument
I read all the way to the end then you have a problem? saying your content and shit is unintelligible you only post hmm well im disgusted
well im rubber your glue shithead faggot
yo8u couldnt clarify your position you couldnt answer my question. what is the government suppressing. nothing thats what you said i summarized it and you didnt retort that wel allow me to,
>is this yours?
Netflix, Google, Github, Twitter, Facebook, the list is very, very long because people don't read fine print.
because white people don't beg
they'll begrudgingly accept aid and keep silent about it, hell they'll even milk it for all its worth through legally questionable means
but they'll never ask for it
>Government intervenes in the healthcare, housing and education systems
>Housing, healthcare and higher education is currently the most expensive its ever been
Its not about getting rid of govt intervention its just that our government used to serve the people rather than corporations and both parties have been completely bought out
AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, etc oppose NN for obvious reasons. It complicates things for them.
Netflix, Google, Facebook, etc, support NN because it's a fail safe against being charged more because they're bandwidth hogs.
Both sides have some merit in their arguments. The reality is that much won't change for the foreseeable future.
so some companies supported NN, and some didnt
There's very little that's free market about ISPs here. They lobby local governments for preferential treatment and restrict startups. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Because tech giants are trying to distract consumers from the fact that they engage in the very same practices they accuse ISPs of doing on a much more massive scale. Google practically invented the concept of fast lanes, and they are also the biggest spender in lobbying money for net neutralty. Reddit will slurp up any propaganda you feed them as long as you convince them their precious website will be taken away without their support.
I find it amazing how Google, Faceberg, etc. tricked tens of millions of Americans into shilling for their company for free and with such dedication. I would be angry if I wasn't so impressed.
its all a false flag you dont ask what their posisionts are you get informed what their position would be....
doenst matter your a shilll anyway your just begging the quetion with your boyfriend
>NN isn't about free speech, even if that's true
You're right. That's not the point. This is the point:
>ISPs could still throttle, selectively block and offer packages, with or without net neutrality.
>what is the government suppressing
In the US at least, that'd be the Bill of Rights. But in my post, I specifically mention freedom of speech.
Yeah. The biggest tech companies supported it, as well as a large quantity of not-the-largest ones.
Then see option 2
>stop paying for the Internet and live a productive life until you can afford it - anything you don't need to live (food, shelter), you don't need the service
>Why do americans have such a hard time getting their government to work for them instead of against them?
They are (were) an exemplar of people who can work for themselves.
>net neutrality is getting government to work for us
lol how much kool aid are you on
the net neutrality is a contest between comcast and google, not us
it's just cosean bargaining shit, who puts up the fire break and pays for spark fire damage, the train company or the farmers? Makes no difference to the customers, either the food is more expensive because farmers raise prices or food is more expensive because shippers raise prices
you expect me to care that comcast instead of google is going to censor me, that's not a "debate" as I am not on the board of comcast nor am I on the board of google
I do know that in the decades I've had internet, no ISP has ever censored content I've seen. But Google has. Twitter has. Facebook has.
really makes u think huh? If you're even capable of thought anymore in cuckistan
Healthcare is expensive not because of government.
Education is a mixed bag. On the one hand government gives out cheap guaranteed loans to people which allows colleges to charge more. On the other hand private entities do the same thing and states have been decreasing funding for public universities.
Housing is expensive because of NIMBYs, not the government.
People need to use the internet these days for email and job interview you dipshit
What? Of course Netflix supported NN, they probably benefit the most out of anybody in the entire country. Also, your usual suspects like Google and Facebook strongly advocated for it. Pretty much the only "major companies" against it were ISPs, and even the biggest one, Verizon, is hilariously dwarfed by Google alone.