Eden: It's an endless world!

This manga is highly underrated.
Anime when?

I finished it just a few weeks ago. Really liked it. There was quite a range of characters, some very hard to like like pic related, but still good ones.
I was a bit disappointed by the end though. Eliah is just a spectator, and we get a parachuted villain from nowhere

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Is this manga Sup Forums approved ?

Too edgy, while not being compelling enough.

>Kenji didn't get to fuck her

It depicts racism in a negative light, so no.
How was it edgy?

the scientists story line was a borefest everything else was good

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Yeah
>story starts with Ennoia
>then cuts to his son's life
>then concludes with Ennoia again
What was the purpose of this?

I wouldn't have minded too much if Ennoia had stayed a real protagonist, instead of being mostly absent, and a potential antagonist. I was waiting for the moment Eliah would oppose his father

Eliah's storyline was the most interesting in my opinion, especially the earlier part. It would've indeed been better to create a conflict between him and his father instead of just changing the point of view entirely by the end of the story.

I also wanted more based Cherubim

Are there even any chances for an anime adaptation, or does nobody give a shit about Eden in Japan?

I might've speedread that part, but why was he cut out of the story by the time Eliah became a young adult? Didn't he salvage Cherubim's head?

>highly underrated.
There's tons of retards (like yourself) that believe this schlock is good. It's one of the very few manga that I would deem pretentious given the amount of heavy handed philosophies on top of philosophies being displayed amidst over the top edginess and proves tha Endo should never dabble in these types of works ever again.

>heavy handed philosophies
Like what? It's just a story about humanity.
>over the top edginess
Nice buzzword, but it's the opposite of what you'd call edgy. It's neither needlessly grimdark/violent nor does it have any unrealistic chuuni characters, maybe aside from Kenji and even then it's justified.

>It's just a story about humanity.
Yep another retard.
>but it's the opposite of what you'd call edgy
Lets see; you have the MC's sister dying by having her head decapitated, you have his first love interest having her eyes gouged out and then years later being shot through the skull, you have a backstory about how one of the characters killed several of his children after giving birth to them with two of them making it out alive and then raping her and well...I've proven my point with the last bit.
> It's neither needlessly grimdark/violent nor does it have any unrealistic chuuni characters
That sword wielding black girl
Those two cyborg badguys who's the actually the children of one of the characters
The main villain himself
>maybe aside from Kenji and even then it's justified.
Kenji was a hilariously unfitting Gary Stu who's feats were a result of poor writing and plot armor top it off with the fact that his feats are explained as "because he's asian" in the most obvious power fantasy level that you have to be a complete retard to think it was justified.

His body gets destroyed, and he reuse it once when he tries to free his mom and sister, only to fail.

Wow user was right people who like this shit are stupid. I read this mess 7 years ago and even I can remember the amount of hamfisted philosophy garbage that was spewed from most of the casts mouths and then there's the fact that all the characters are named after religious deities.

Eden was very much edgy needless grimdark and had a alot of unrealistic chuuni characters, Elijah became a lot less interesting when he became once he became James Bond, the villains in this were so over the top bad guys (in fact the main bad guy shows up in the last two volumes out of nowhere because Endo was making shit up as he went along) yet despite all that Kenji is still the worst character in the manga with his superhuman feats being the epitome of cringe. You're probably young and think and don't know what taste is hence why this manga left an impression on you but once you grow up you'll eventually see its trash.

Fucking hell, how can a manga make you so mad?
>Yep another retard
Nice explanation

None of the things you described are "edgy" given the character's circumstances. Are gruseome deaths that uncommon when you're acquainted with a south american drug lord?
It's true that Sophia and her eight kids was pretty strange, though.

>sword wielding black girl
>two cyborg badguys
Sure. That makes three minor side characters.
How was the main villain unrealistic?

>his feats are explained as "because he's asian"
citation needed

Is it homos?

No

>Fucking hell, how can a manga make you so mad?
On the contrary, I love shitting on this manga and people like you who like it because you always have no leg to stand on.
>Nice explanation
Dont worry its enough. You've done well to prove so.
>None of the things you described are "edgy" given the character's circumstance
Nice explanation but you're fucking wrong, circumstances has literally no barring in whatever something can be dubbed edgy or not, people call Black Lagoon edgy all the damn time despite its settings, people call Berserk edgy despite its setting, Eden was edgy except unlike the previous examples was also garbage in that the events that transpired was largely due to shock value and had no underlying point to it all like Endo was just doing this shit to make his manga seem "mature" to mouthbreathers such as yourself.
>Sure. That makes three minor side characters.
So you admit you're full of shit? Okay. Oh I can definitely name more. This manga has a ton of garbage characters.

>How was the main villain unrealistic?
>citation needed
I thought you just finished this manga or did you just speedread it?

>hamfisted philosophy
You're not giving examples
>characters are named after religious deities
Is that supposed to be pretentious? You do know Elijah's a real name right? Are you one of these people who gets mad every time a manga/anime references real-life things?
>once he became James Bond
Shooting guns and riding motorcycles isn't that impressive but sure. It also makes sense that a guy who started training as a teenager would become a competent soldier eventually.
You're right about Kenji at least
>You're probably young
>don't know what taste is
Great arguments there m8

>None of the things you described are "edgy" given the character's circumstances
This will always be the most stupidest defense for things not being edgy. I hate to break it to you young man but any piece of work can be considered edgy regardless of what setting it takes place in, its just common sense.

Congrats. You absolutely did nothing to refute my claims.

>You're not giving examples
I thought you just read the manga? Unless you're actually a teenager and weren't exactly paying attention to the word bubbles.
>Is that supposed to be pretentious?
Yes dear child it s considered pretentious especially when there's no context behind it and is there to sound cool.
>You do know Elijah's a real name right?
>Elijah (Hebrew: אֱלִיָּהוּ, Eliyahu, meaning "My God is Yahu/Jah"[1][2]) or Elias (/ᵻˈlaɪ.əs/; Greek: Ηλίας Elías; Syriac: ܐܸܠܝܼܵܐ‎ Elyāe; Arabic: إلياس or إليا, Ilyās or Ilyā) was a prophet and a miracle worker who lived in the northern kingdom of Israel[3] during the reign of Ahab (9th century BC), according to the Books of Kings in the Hebrew Bible. According to the Books of Kings Elijah defended the worship of Yahweh over that of the Canaanite deity Baal.
Just one question user are you done embarrassing yourself?
>Shooting guns and riding motorcycles isn't that impressive
If that was the extent of his abilities you may...actually no you're still wrong
>. It also makes sense that a guy who started training as a teenager would become a competent soldier eventually.
He literally had no fucking experience until he asked a mob boss to train him
>Great arguments there m8
Guess I struck a nerve

You're making an effort to consistently shit on a manga you don't like whenever a thread pops up then? But you're not mad at all user

>Nice explanation
I explained why circumstances justified those events in the next sentence. Do you know what the drug trade is?
>shock value
You could say that about anything. People dying isn't always just for shock value. Again you're just being vague
>I can definitely name more
Go on, name one or two side characters that appear on two or three pages before getting killed off, that'll show me. Especially considering the amount of characters Eden introduced.
>I thought you just finished this manga or did you just speedread it?
You didn't answer the question.
>young man
Trying to seem more mature to assert an argument just makes you look like a tryhard.
>any piece of work can be considered edgy
The problem with you people is that you always cling to your buzzword but never try to elaborate. Anything that has people dying or suffering is edgy to you.
You're wrong though, circumstances have a lot to do with how an event can be perceived.
You didn't either, bub

>teenager
>dear child
"People who like what I don't like are underage", right?
>it s considered pretentious especially when there's no context behind it
So, referencing other works is pretentious. Got it. Although you posting that Anno pic pretty much confirms that you're a contrarian tryhard. Are you one of those people who shits up NGE threads too?

Why did you post a wikipedia quote? Is that supposed to mean something?
>are you done embarrassing yourself?
Dodging again, cool
>If that was the extent of his abilities
It was. And then he became a junkie. Nice gary stu you got there
>no fucking experience
Surviving alone in a desolate environment seems like it would count, but sure.
>Guess I struck a nerve
simply ebin

>You're making an effort to consistently shit on a manga you don't like whenever a thread pops up then?
Well if you'd lurk more you'd realize that the manga isn't highly praised here either so I'm the only one who feels this way that's for sure.
>I explained why circumstances justified those events in the next sentence.
Actually you fucking didn't. Circumstances have never stopped a piece of work from being edgy infact it strengthens the argument.
>You could say that about anything.
Not at all. That's why context and execution are such a beautiful thing. You can have a poignant death if its executed correctly but if you have a character randomly comes into an apartment and shoot a character in the head for no reason just for edgy sake then its considered shock value.
> name one or two side characters that appear on two or three pages before getting killed off,
Let's see; Elijah's sister school mates who we are introduce to and then get promptly killed off shortly after, that hooker's child who gets killed in the same volume she's introduced in, the various religious followers in that terrible Kenji volume, that female investor during Kenji's flashback who dies shorttly after introduction, that assasin who escorts Elijah after he kills the mob boss and then gets killed himself...three pages later in an explosion he set up.
>You didn't answer the question.
Why would you need a citation for a manga you just read?

>Trying to seem more mature to assert an argument just makes you look like a tryhard.
Why are you getting so man because I'm insinuating that you are a child?
>MUH BUZZWORDS
Cute, now actually try to defend this piece of shit manga by not pointing the finger. Nobody here is stating that death=edgy so I don't know where you're getting that from.
>circumstances have a lot to do with how an event can be perceived.
Nope and it never has, Scarface is considered edgy too despite the circumstances. I really don't think you have a leg to stand on.
>"People who like what I don't like are underage", right?
Still triggered I see
>So, referencing other works is pretentious
>Why did you post a wikipedia quote?
Its like talking to a fucking child
>Dodging again, cool
There's nothing to doge kid since the ball is still on your side you just haven't thrwon it yet
>It was
Nope.
>And then he became a junkie
And then he lost his MC status making 15 volumes worth of story absolutely pointless. What a great story.
>Surviving alone in a desolate environment seems like it would count,
Well he had a robot and didn't have proper training at all just shot things.I guess he's a fully trained solider by your logic
>ebin
Nice buizzowords

>the manga isn't highly praised here either
And that is relevant because?
Sup Forums dislikes it (by the way Sup Forums isn't a person, lurk more) so it's shit?
>you fucking didn't
That's a matter of reading comprehension then.
Being the daughter of a south american drug lord means you're probably more likely to die a gruesome death than if you're Jane Doe in suburban America.
>it strengthens the argument
Alright, so circumstances (read: the setting) can also make a story "edgy". According to your standards, the only way a story can avoid being "edgy" is by making sure nothing ever happens, then. Does it make you feel superior to hate fun?

That's some nice sophistry you got going there, and although you're completely right about context and execution, your implication that Eden's deaths happened for no reason makes no sense if you bothered to follow the story.
What would you consider a good example of a poignant death in manga?
>Let's see; [...]
You named a bunch of deaths, yeah. So for a story to be good, nobody has to die? What point are you trying to make?
You also lack reading comprehension, I didn't ask you to list side characters who died.
>Why would you need a citation
>why would I need to prove something I just asserted even though I have the burden of proof?

>child
>kid
>triggered
>u mad
If you want to have the last word that badly, it's fine, user. There isn't anything to reply to in your post.

>And that is relevant because?
It means your plight means absolutely nothing since this manga isn't a sought after gem
>Being the daughter of a south american drug lord means you're probably more likely to die a gruesome death than if you're Jane Doe in suburban America.
Well that's completely wrong (and not even the right character either) especially when there's various character living in that situation that make it out alive by the end of the story. Hell Elijah's sisters die in completely different circumstances unrelated to their father's work.
>Alright, so circumstances (read: the setting) can also make a story "edgy".
Nope just saying they're irrelevant to the execution of such scenes. Your entire argument amounts to
>That guy brains just got blown off
>Its okay he's in New York crime always happen here
Which is not only laughably stereotypical and proves how ignorant you are but completely incorrect
>your implication that Eden's deaths happened for no reason makes no sense if you bothered to follow the story.
Because none of them did make any sense and some were just there for shock value. The former may of been the underlying theme of how fruitless life is but the latter definitely came about because the mangaka wanted to remind you that this was a MATURE STORY FOR MATURE READERS SUCH AS YOU
>So for a story to be good, nobody has to die?
A story can be good if people die or not but there's a lot of criticism for works that have senseless death and killing than there are works where nobody dies.
>You also lack reading comprehension
>Go on, name one or two side characters that appear on two or three pages before getting killed off, that'll show me.
Next time proofread your work
>why would I need to prove something I just asserted even though I have the burden of proof?
I thought you just finished reading the story

The first volume was promising, the rest was shit. Endo did not hide that he was inspired by NGE for Eden, sadly he only took from it a vague apocalyptical plot and the shocking factor, without everything that actually made Eva great.

I liked Eden, but I wouldn't really recommend it. It just never feels like it's actually going anywhere. The plots are disjointed and the theme is all over the place.

Basically this. It's fun to read because it's fun to read and because the art is top notch, but when I sit back and try to reflect on what I got from reading it I come up emptyhanded.

I really wouldn't call it pretentious though, I never felt it was preaching to me so much as just telling its story.

>this manga isn't a sought after gem
Who gives a shit?
>that's completely wrong
Being related to dangerous criminals and living in an environment where crime happens frequently doesn't make you more likely to be murdered than if you live in a quiet neighborhood in Norfolk. Got it.
Elijah's sisters' deaths were obviously tied to their father's line of work, even if indirectly. Mana wouldn't have died if she hadn't been kidnapped in the first place.
>Your entire argument amounts to
It doesn't, that's a strawman. I'm saying that personal circumstances affect the way you're going to live and die.
>some were just there for shock value
You're right about some of them.
>works that have senseless death and killing
As I said, Eden's setting was such that "senseless deaths" didn't seem out of place even if they were unjustified. You don't seem to understand that.
>proofread
So you do lack reading comprehension. My statement wasn't a request, I was calling you out on how stupid it was to nitpick that kind of shit.
>I thought you just finished reading the story
And? The burden of proof is yours regardless.

We're not going to agree anyway, so it doesn't matter

>tfw you will never operate with your friends in a post-apocalyptic world
>tfw no qt whore gf

the ass

I can't tell if those are 2 girls.
2 guys.
Or a tomboy and a guy.

It's a colombian prostitute and a fifteen year old guy

The shit the author said at the end of the volumes or whatever were boring as fuck. I could only bare read two then decided to not read them anymore (here's my super deep everyday experience that made me think about nacional social anarco capitalism!). Also, I'm disgusted at how Kenji ended up with the worst. At least he could've gotten another blowjob from that greek bitch.

Kenji was a little bitch.

>he didn't listen to People Get Ready while reading the manga's ending perfectly in sync