Can someone please tell me why net neutrality is a good thing? The more I read into it...

Can someone please tell me why net neutrality is a good thing? The more I read into it, the weaker the arguments for it become.

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its pure reddit pseudointellectual fear mongering

>let me tell you what nn is
>repeats generic fearmongering bullshit which explains nothing

Because it lets you access Sup Forums without having to pay $5,000 extra per month.

i bet pai knew that popcorn meme would be made

Pai is the gift that keeps on giving

This. It's always about how they'll mysteriously raise prices or you won't be able to access websites that rely on advertising alone. Hell, Netflix had to pay up, anyway. It's stupid fear mongering bullshit.

this shit never happened before nn, it wont happen now, in a year when everything is the same but cheaper, we will all laugh at you idiots

NN isn't a good thing, that's why the arguments for it are retarded.

Yeah, I remember before 2015 when I had to pay 10 shekels per post here on 4chinz
now, 10 shekels are deposited into my account per post here

It's there to protect consumers from the worst fuckeries of ISPs.
Anti-NN retards are under the illusion the ISP business isn't an industry of natural monopolies so they actually believe reapling NN with make the invisible hand of the free market sort everything out.

Without it ISPs can do whatever the fuck they want. But nothing is going to happen because it'll just turn into a huge politician bidding war once someone's profits go down and everyone will lose out.

Google, Facebook and Netflix should be able to freeload their content delivery costs because they can activate an army of NPC golems on reddit to defend their mega-corperarions profit line.

1. The biggest people hurt are teenagers who won't be able to masturbate to 4k porn because their parents won't buy the more expensive internet package that includes porn streaming.

2. Poorer people can afford cheaper internet.

3. New ISPs can pop up offering drastically cheaper internet that will force the big ISPs to lower their prices.

4. Netflix cucks are hurt the most.

Because we have to own the libs, bros

>ISPs jerk around Youtube, Netflix, Hulu, etc
>get a VPN
>can watch whatever I want without throttling because VPNs are primarily used by big corporations and the ISPs don't want to lose corporate support

Yeah the ISPs will possibly charge those companies more but who exactly do you think will carry those costs in the end? You, the consumer, as those services will relay the cost.

there are no good arguments. NN people only make apocalyptic hypotheticals because they aren't smart enough to know how the world actually works

>ISPs are somehow worse than domain registrars or Google, Facebook, and Twitter.

Toppest of keks

>ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_statements/1054963/ohlhausen_cotechjournal.pdf

The FTC actually acknowledges that ISPs are in a natural monopoly which made it hard for them to decide what needed to regulated for them and besides the FCC took care of it before it was legally declared that they couldn't in 2014. With ISPs branded as a Title 2 the FTC could do nothing to regulate them so they got to see them take real control of their monopolies. They still price gouge and throttle people and push unfair price increases even with NN in place.

>implying any business is a business of natural monopolies.
>NATURAL
>implying the monopoly wasn't caused by fucking decades, close to a century of government nepotism, regulation, more regulation disguised as deregulation.
>thinking that adding more regulation and giving the "FCC" more power to enforce a literally unenforcable law will somehow solve the monopoly.

Look around the world. How come here in Britain, we have multiple ISPs available pretty much all over the country. Why isn't there a natural monopoly?
Surely if it's natural, we should just have one, or at most two isps per region?
Why does nature not apply anywhere else by America.

Stfu kraut. Stay on reddit

Sup Forums Made that poo in loo do it!

Sup Forumstards would set themselves on fire if they knew i'd upset reddit/libruls

>new isps can pop up
Are you a literal retard? You know they kept all the regulations dealing with laying down new fiber. That's why Google can't give everyone cheap internet.

>the throttling cases involved the backbones
>title II doesn't apply to the backbones
>M-MUH NET NEUTRALITY NOW THEY'RE GONNA THROTTLE EVERYONE AHHHHHHH

>3. New ISPs can pop up offering drastically cheaper internet that will force the big ISPs to lower their prices.

The barrier of entry posed by NN regulations is a brick of lego compared to the wall of China that is the capital cost to actually get a ISP business off the ground.
Like I said, the industry is always going to be a natural monopoly because a new ISP cannot afford to build the physical infrastructure to provide remotely competitive service.

And net neutrality solves this how?
The problem is lack of competition.
Net neutrality doesn't make it any easier, and will only make it harder.
You give the FCC more power.
You provide a bigger incentive to carry out nepotism
And this nepotism ultimately leads to competitors being forced out of the market

I wasn't aware you have a time machine to retroactively allow competition.
Fact of the matter is american ISPs have natural monopolies, how they got to this point is irrelevant.

Are you retarded? Ajit Pai is in the process of slashing regulations for new ISPs.

But new ISPs could definitely not be created while Net Neutrality was in place.

You're overstating the barrier of entry.

A small ISP can start by offering small packages in small areas.

>How come here in Britain,
>here in Britain
>Britain
93,628 mi2 vs 3.797M mi2
>DURR

>natural
You keep using that word. And it's simply not true. But just because it's already uncompetitive, means we should kust give up and make it even more uncompetitve. Why don't we just say fuck it and socialise the whole thing.
Seize the means of production amirite guise?

Ajit won't be able to do anything anymore thanks to this.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Communications_Inc._v._FCC_(2014)
Now it will be the FTC in charge of regulations but they have said they want to work with the FTC.

Portuguese already know what americans are going to have in the next few years.

At competitive rates with the economies of scale in favour of the established players?
Fat chance mate. But hey, if you think it's actually feasible, go for it. Seeing how everyone hates the big ISPs should be easy money, right?

>government is owned by corporations
>lets give the government monopoly powers to regulate the corporations that own them.

Net Neutrality fags are utterly retarded from that logical perspective.

Netflix throttles their own service to accuse isps of throttling.

it lets big biz regulate the speed of individual websites, name one good thing about this.

>kraut
That's a gästarbetar, Nigel.

And that makes a difference how?
An ISP doesn't have to provide service all across the country....
An ISP can just provide a service to an area equivalent to Britain in the US.

Dude the FTC even says its a natural monopoly, stop being retarded.

Wow. More people might decide social media isn't worth the squeeze.

This is a bad thing how?

I still havent heard anybody explain how exactly NN works, and how would it being repealed magically prevent me from communicating with another IP address and exchanging files?

When 2nd post proves the 1st post's point.

Triggered. Reddit "explanations" always follow the classic format.
>Allow me to explain
>This is a strawman of the opposition's position
>These are the possible and hypothetical negative effects
>This is how it effects your consumption of pornography and pop culture
>The people that promote it are conservative
>Randomly inserted cursing and capitalization for intensification
>Therefore it's bad

Natural monopoly is a fixed term, I'm not using the word as an adjective.
And regulating a monopoly is preferable when there's no feasable way to allow genuine competition (again).

thats cellphone shit, i bet you can still get a regular adsl or fiber connection with no caps

>hurr durr FCC says it so it must be true.
What happened to the FCC being the bad guys and literally hitler? Why do you suddenly listen to them when they something you agree with.

Tiers for mobile internet ?
There are many many countries with no net neutrality... internet works fine. In my country the mobile companies even give you free internet for certain apps that dont use that much broadband.

FTC. FTC. Of course you can't even read you fuckin mongoloid.

seeRETARDS; ANSWER THIS

Whether you like these services or not, if all repleaing NN does is raise costs for the consumer, how is it a good thing for the consumer again?

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Just watch Razorfist's video on it. It's different than the usual reddit-tier fear mongering that everyone else is screeching.

Because Amazon, Google, Facebook, Twitter, and your favorite website in the world Reddit all said it's a good thing! Isn't that good enough for you, racist?

> repealing net neutrality will give too much power to the big companies
> literally google, verizon, and twitter are openly opposing repealing it

Leftists can't explain

This is every Sup Forums user who opposes NN.
>Net Neutrality Repeal!? The fuck is that!?
>Hey look! the libtards are crying!
>So it's good in my book!

It's there to stop them throttling the speeds of other people/businesses over flimsy reasons despite them paying money for a particular speed. It's there to make sure you get what you pay for.

>99% of the population wants NN
>1% gets it removed
oh I am laffin, usa has no such thing as democracy

techcrunch.com/2009/07/26/att-blocks-Sup Forums-this-is-going-to-get-ugly/

relly makes you tink

>natural monopoly is a fixed term.
yeah, and it's the incorrect term in this case faggot.
>no feasible way to allow genuine competition
How about removing the regulations that actually harm the ability of a company to start-up? How about allowing the companies to make competitive deals to the customers by striking deals with content providers?
How about literally getting the government away from all this shit and letting the ISPs work. It's worked for every country (civilised) in the world, why wouldn't it work for America

>throttling cases involved the backbones
backbones?

what are backbones?

do a traceroute and see

I want new ISPs and cheaper options.

The first way to start that is by repealing Net Neutrality.

So suck it.

Finally I can be part of the 1%.

Your modem could blacklist the site and just refuse to request it.

You can still potentially get around this using proxy servers, but it becomes more difficult.

because we have actual rural areas leave your island and you might find out what that's like one day

thank god
democracy is cancer

Good, Democracy is a sham. Whites will go extinct in democracies because half of whites are dumbass brainwashed race traitors who will vote with the minorities to wipe us out.

>99% of population wants NN
citation needed

the people voted for DJT (democratically) and the president has the authority to put his own choice of chairman of the FCC.
What's undemocratic?

also
>99%
yeah ok faggot 99% of your dildo aficionado club maybe

He looks pretty owned. I’m cool with that

>The barrier of entry posed by NN regulations is a brick of lego compared to the wall of China that is the capital cost to actually get a ISP business off the ground.

You could say the same about starting a video hosting site, yet liberals have no problem with Youtube censoring to it's heart's content.

>traceroute

"The Internet backbone might be defined by the principal data routes between large, strategically interconnected computer networks and core routers on the Internet. These data routes are hosted by commercial, government, academic and other high-capacity network centers"


So like Netfix shit server -> Main ISP Router stuff?

>Britain doesn't have rural areas
Burger education at its finest.

Again as I said before, why does that even matter?
What's stopping a small ISP to just connect up a few close rural towns and make a small profit. In fact, didn't a community do that themselves?
They don't have to go all across the country.

This is what a shill looks like

>Work for Verizon
>Stop working for Verizon and work for the FCC
>Destroy part of NN
>Go back to Verizon a few years later and get a big fat check for being a "consultant".

Board truly is filled with goodest of goys who'd burn their own if it meant some irrelevant retard on reddit would cry

Their rationale is that they're going to see that Plebbit, Goyflix, and Jewtube are using a lot of data and place a paywall checkpoint on that connection, or force the data to come through at a slower rate.

So basically Americans don't want to post on Sup Forums anymore, and you guys want ISP's and the government to decide what websites you can buy access to?

"How come on our tiny fucking island we get corporations that can build out sustainable networks to every corner that matters

IDK Nigel, maybe land-mass plays into the natural Monopolies of massive US ISPs?

>usa has no such thing as democracy

Fucking finally.

Same here. I'd shoot myself through the foot so long as I made sure I was standing on a leftist's neck first.

Reddit is not 99% of the population.

Because the consumer goes elsewhere and competition is born.

>Send a message saying comcast, jews or any variation of the two are bad
>(((isp))) knows
>get blocked from normalfag hubs including Sup Forums
>oh goy at least reddit is mad

who gives a shit.
Authority fallacy faggot.

Att tries to block facetime a few years back
Comcast throttled Netflix when they didn’t pay extra
No go fuck yourself

my isp gives me access to my equipment, even if not, ill just call and shit on them for messing around with my service, my contract is 10 mpbs up, 3mpbs down, thats it, they have to stick to it

and you cant blacklist everything, what exactly you are blacklisting, the domain?, the IP?, its just too easy to overcome

ITT: Jews shilling for the abolition of nn so they can charge you more shekels

that's the most retarded use of those quadrants i have ever seen

Are you related to the president?

You just have to trust that the invisible hand of the Free Market will set things right. ISPs will do the right thing in the end.

Yes we do, however at least portuguese ISPs are still some of the shittiest in the whole EU.
At least I can't complain about downtimes, I had at best 3 hours of total downtime this year, and traffic limits were removed a long time ago.

>shill
>not even american
(you) I just hope amerifats keep their shit in their country. Having kids knocking at my door for candy on halloween on fucking europe is more than enough.

You could remove all regulations in the world and in the end the established players own the cable in the fucking ground. That's why it is a natural monopoly, because the cost of building a competitive infrastructure are astronomical.

The concept is ok, albeit it would need major exceptions because not all traffic needs the same responsivity. The law is a dumpsterfire that is toothless in instituting what it claims to do, and in reality does nothing but giving the feds the ability to shut down ISPs.(but we swear to never expand this power goyim)

this services actually give ISP local servers so the speeds are faster,

my isp has a local google and netflix server provided by the companies

It's not, it's socialism.

>close rural towns
I don't think you understand come visit some time, check out the bible belt where we still have villages, and 70+ miles between towns with populations so small that you'd never make a profit or must up enough start up capital to lay 100's of miles of line for 1000 people in the best of cases

Go where? How do you expect a competitive Netflix alternative to pop up when Netflix can now buy themselves a faster access speed?

You'd let Trump shit in your mouth if it meant a liberal had to smell it.

The public submitted their critique of the plan and when all of the demonstrably falsified responses were culled the people were massively against the repeal that happened today. Pai knows this and made some mealy mouthed excuse about the "quality of respondents" being higher for ISPs versus regular people.