Why do liberals hate fracking?

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Because it is fraked up.

Ignorance. Water aquifers aren't even close to the depth at which fracking is done. I know this because I drill water wells for a living, deepest I've drilled in MI is 330 feet. Marcellus shale formation is thousands of feet down.

Why do oklahomans hate their house shaking every other day due to fracking mini earthquakes?

Oklahoman's who continue voting republican, of course.

This. Fracking is safe.

Rich liberals hate it because they've invested in solar energy firms, and cheap natural gas makes their investments less valuable. Other liberals hate it because 'muh enviroment!' without realizing that natural gas is actually cleaner on net than solar once you take into account the mining and energy used in the production of solar panels.

even the professionals will admit now that the waste water is causing earthquakes.
and they don't like admitting things

The only thing I could see wrong with it is that technically it destabilizes the ground and can cause earthquakes. It's actually one of the main problems in figuring out subterranean development, because the best way to derive geothermal energy is adapted from fracking but it's a nonbo because it increases the chance of geological instability making your subterranean enclosure dangerous to be inside of.

Sounds like fucking and we know how much they hate that.

it kills forests, you idiot

Fucking lefty shill.

not gay enough

Because they've made up example images like yours to scare themselves

>technically it destabilizes the ground and can cause earthquakes

I like how you say technically as if you are talking being a few miles per an hour over the speed limit and not something that sounds like the goals of a James Bond movie villain.

>indigenous population poisoned by heavy metals and cancerous chemicals
Its ok, us danish people hate our alcoholic greenlanders too.

Oklahoman here.

Fracking is great, and all. I supported it 100%, considering most of the earthquakes were caused by improper replacement of water. (t. someone who worked in the oil boom)

but if you don't want to cause the public to become pissed at you, earthquakes once a week that shake your house is a bad way of going across it. For about a year, my small town was wracked with a few good ones. No bad accidents, but people freak our over environment issues. Anything to chase down the oil business boogieman.

because urbanites think unicorn farts power their cities

i dont think you quite understand how fucking deep they go down to frack and that it's mostly just pressurized steam/water

The whole point of modern environmentalism is to stop growth and reduce the population. It has nothing to do with the environment. They want to cut any growth, weaken the US and have more people move into cities. Any economic sector is targeted by environmentalists. No matter how benign. These people freak out about birds and fish when it comes to wind and hydro. Its an excuse, they don't want Americans building anything.

If this was true they would do most of their work sterilizing the developing world

bump for facts and maybe some links. I consider myself pro fracking, but really have no argument if I was ever confronted. Mainly because I live no where near where it would ever happen. I'm a gulf coast fag and want oil rigs at the end of every pier, deep water drilling is silly when we could be doing it in less than 100' of water. That being said, drill deep and drill often until we can do it in safer environments, do it where you can, when you can, and while you can.

Honestly OP.

Go frack yourself.

If and when the EPA says what they know then we can begin to find out why it's not the libruls who are the problem. I don't particularly like having an EPA, but that's because they collaborate to hide what they've known for years.

So just wait and see.

Look I don't hate the tech out of hand, but the really important thing that no one really brings up is the wastewater.

Its the same way with modern coal plants, in that the most worrisome waste stream is the aqueous discharge. Fracking water has a fuck ton of dissolved salts (TDS), and suspended solids (TSS), as well as a lot of total dissolved organics. This makes it extremely challenging to treat and recover the water with existing membrane methods, and we're using a lot of fresh water to do this gas recovery. I dont care that they inject the waste stream, but i'm worried about how cavalier we're being in trading potable water for gas.

Warren Buffet uses the tanker cars on the railroads he bought up to store the waste water for long enough that he can then just dump it back in to the ground legally.

And this does not solve the problem that we a making salt sludge of potable water. According to my lab mate's numbers the energy cost associated with recovering that water is greater than the energy in the extracted volume of gas.

How many gph per well are we talking here of potable water?

Right, but that's why there's so much money out there for anybody who can develop the technology. That's why you don't see the space people drinking their own piss; they can't recycle it in to drinking water. They can only use it as fuel for other chemical reactions.

According to this paper: pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5514/41ccf464cf84ed472cb1bd11171dcbe48ad8.pdf

The barnett shale play in 2011 had 1500 wells and used 145 million cubic meters of water. thats 9667 cubic meters of water per well, or 9,666,667 kg of water per well. And that's just one play.

>pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5514/41ccf464cf84ed472cb1bd11171dcbe48ad8.pdf

Given the names of the authors I automatically have to take anything written with a grain of salt. I'll breeze through it though. thanks.

Conservatives love fracking because when the chemicals leech into the water supply and rot people's brains, a whole new generation of Republican voters is created.

So no argument. Cool

They're reasonably against it in a way that we can argue through most of the time I feel.

It causes earthquakes. Here in Dallas we never had a single earthquake until they started fracking everywhere. I know natural gas is cleaner than solar in the long run but it does have its negatives.

Here in PA the trucks used to transport the gas fuck up the road. For years there always wasn't a tax on drilling operations either so they would fuck up the road and have nothing to give in return. There was also a few incidents were the retaining pools of fracking water spilled out into the surrounding areas. Combine that with the over drilling that was done and killed the demand for it natural gas. Was promised to bring a shit load of jobs for years to come and now they're cutting employees.

Nothing too major but a large portion of the populace is still feeling the effects of what the coal mining industry did to this region over a hundred years ago. It doesn't build much trust when you can still go down to the Susquehanna and watch the brown trails of water seeping in from the old coal mines. Leaves a bad taste in your mouth when you think it could happen again with fracking.

Shhh no one cares about old poor coal miners.

is it an "earthquake" or a tremor? Not a loaded question at all, how severe are they? Are we talking water ripple like "Jurassic Park" or pictures falling off the wall and having to bubble wrapping your fine china? For something I'm kind of just now hearing about, it sounds like it should be national news. And how regular are they happening, I've stayed in the DFW area several times for weeks on end and never felt anything, is that area just to urban and to far away from where it is taking place? I can only assume it's the more rural areas where this goes on where a rancher has leased a gas company a portion of his land. If that's the case, the area being affected should be somewhat sparse, no?

>they would fuck up the road and have nothing to give in return
It's called an IFTA tax, the state just didn't distribute the money properly to fix roads. This is the case in every state. Trucks that drive interstate have to pay it, if they were intrastate and going to a hub then belay my last

probably the environmental side effects. obama going for natural gas instead of solar was a big mistake.

The real question is why do conservicucks love fracking?

Most of them are poor and rural and they’re the ones who loose their drinking water when the so-called geological barriers protecting aquifers turn out to be as porous as burlap. But they didn’t vote for deregulation then did they? They voted to stop wymen from killing babies even though now their rate of birth defects and miscarriages will probably rise due to contaminated well water. Serves ‘em right if you ask me.

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Most of our holes we were drilling in nodak and midland were at 9000+ feet depth with a horizontal kick out of 5000-6000 feet. The water table was around 135 feet. The hole has steel pipe going all the way down, and cement casing around the pipe to a depth well past the water table. The integrity of the pipe and the cement casing is measured every hour through the entire process. The shale formations that are getting perforated by explosives are usually around 2 miles under your feet. It’s completely safe.

t. Well tester & directional drilling data analyst

I don't care about earthquakes. I DO care about tap water lighting on fire...

It eventually causes earthquakes.

No, it doesn’t. Those are caused by stupid waste companies taking the salt water that comes up after fracking and disposing of it by reinjecting it into the ground. They do this because it’s cheap way to handle the flow back water. Fracking itself doesn’t cause any seismic activity.

Because they hate actual, reality based progress.

Except that "muh eeebil wypipo" is central to environmentalist belief, because they're Marxists, and thus at heart owned by a Jew ideology that is built around eradicating whites because we not only fight back against Jew usury, we win.

Serious question then; I fucking hate commies. But the stories of tap water catching fire in areas subject to fracking, those are all just leftist hoaxes?

Nah, it actually releases methane (natural gas) out into the water which utterly destroys lake ecosystems due to deoxygenation and you can in fact set the tap water on fire when it gets bad enough.

Top lel. But don't worry user it's just cow farts doing the global warming, not underwater shit.

For the same reason conservatives hate climate science.... they don't understand a thing about it.

user is right, but the danger comes in where the fracking bore hole goes through a water aquifer. The hole is lined but shit happens, just yesterday I heard about a drilling outfit that spilled thousands of gallons of hydrofluoric acid around the drill pad...... roughnecks were trapped on the rig for quite some time.

2.0 - 3.2 moment magnitude, so substantial but not catastrophic. They have been known to cause building damage. The real issue is how frequent they are..... google USGS earthquake map and change the settings to "30 days 2.5+ U.S." and you will see.

Sauce? Because I asked the user who actually drills for a living, not someone who obviously believes in bullshit like AGW.

Yes, its normal and not dangerous. people dont normally try to light their water on fire even though its normal.

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How is integrity monitored? Is it done with acoustic logs or some other wireline log?

>cement casing
or bentonite?

>2.0 - 3.2 moment magnitude
are they expected to persist, get stronger, weaker and fade away, have no idea?

the volume of water used to extract it is somewhat concerning, if we were utilizing desalinized water elsewhere (to offset) or pipelining it in to remote areas where fracking is done it wouldn't be so worrisome. I'd hate to see dust bowl conditions caused from sucking wells dry. That scares me more than quakes.

I've heard that the water in those regions has always been able to catch fire, but don't quote me on that.

Ya, it was even in one of the "Back to the Future" franchise movies I think 3, the one where they went to the old west

Yup, there oil, gas, etc. leaks out of the sea floor all the time, and there's no way to measure how much.

why do conservatives cuck for oil execs? these guys hire brown immigrants to take resources near your property and sell them to china.

National socialism would never let this happen

The same reason they hate nuclear power. Any kind of advancement is a boon to man. And leftist hate life.

this doesn't happen in the US, must suck to be in ausfailia I guess

Everyone hates having nuclear power nearby, its like sleeping with a grenade under your pillow..... sure its not very likely that you will pull the pin in your sleep, but do you really want to take that chance?

Numb nuts here has never been to a rig (his flag explains a lot). I don't work for the oil companies, but I've worked on equipment on their platforms and on pipe lines. Never saw one non-English person on the job. Site prep for a new rig, ok you got me, it's spic central. Once it's set up and running, it's a white utopia.

Guys working the rig wanted to be me, I wanted to be them. The whole grass is always greener meme.

It's already been proven that Fracking affects groundwater very negatively, and you are effectively ruining the water table in order to produce a small amount of shit to spew into the sky. Oil needs to die last century... the sun is only getting dimmer, and all you are doing is burning million year old sunlight

> people freak out over environment

It's just oil...

"Crude oil is a known teratogen and can cause birth defects and changes in fetal development. The target organs for crude oil are the hematopoietic (blood forming) system, lymphatic system, nervous system, and reproductive system. The Benzene component is a known carcinogen."

And fracking?

insideclimatenews.org/news/13122017/fracking-health-infant-birth-weight-study-air-water-stress-natural-gas

ecowatch.com/exposed-lung-cancer-risks-from-fracked-natural-gas-in-nyc-kitchens-1881735523.amp.html

What do ya know?! Hydrocarbons cause cancer and birth defects.

And the profit is so good they're happy to lie about the danger: cbsnews.com/amp/news/utility-understated-levels-of-cancer-causing-chemical-from-gas-leak/

Fracking is great, I love fracking.

Hard to say, it will persist as long as they keep pumping waste water in and likely for some time afterward while the ground adjusts.

It will not trigger some cataclysm or create any long term seismic activity.

A good analogy would be the earthquakes in Idaho this year, an initial "natural" quake likely triggered some fluid flow and adjustment in the subsurface that caused aftershocks for a week or two.

Why would anyone go to a rig? Only brain dead retards go near rigs, haven't you seen that movie where the rig explodes because of the decision of some Oil Jew company?

If Sup Forums cared to remove the Jews, they would destroy the worthless oil companies by shilling for solar. Oil slaves are liberal by definition, nothing conservative about being a frivolous retard for your short term pleasure ,

According to FrackNation, yes the water could be ignited before fracking

You're a hoot. Do you drink Neonicotinoids with breakfast?

They did a study for a plant north of me, I kind of want it to happen because it would create great jobs for my kids, I don't want it to happen because I'm semi-retired at 37 and it would eat up 1000's of acres of hunting land. Yes 1000's. They don't fuck around with nukes.

Probably a cement bond log of some sort

I dunno man, a mud-logging job for 70-80k a year with only a bachelors degree to go near but never have to go on a rig sounds like a pretty sweet deal.....

Do they?

this earth will be raped, every square inch down to the edge of the magma mined and finally charred by red giant sun no escape we had a chance at heaven but we deserve hell and the void

Land based rigs or platforms whatever the fuck they call them. I stayed on land, but I would have jumped at the chance to go to one on water. I got an offer once, but it didn't pay what I made on the nice dry firmament

Just brush your teeth to prevent cavities, you'll be fine.

prove it faggot

Life reproduces infinitely the only thing in the universe, we consume matter and energy
Everything is finite
That’s all You need to know

There's one guy working the thread hard from 3+IPs. His writing style is fairly distinguishable.

How does one even get into that kind of business? Do you just start pitching corporations with some vague shit so they can avoid legal liability from whatever havoc you cause? Like "Online reputation and opinion steering service using advanced social engineering." - "There's always an undecided population...bring them to your side (Wink;)"

>Everything is finite
nah, you paint with much to wide a brush.
>everything
everything rarely applies to everything

> And leftist hate life

Everyone is left of you I can tell.

>No, it doesn’t. Those are caused by stupid waste companies taking the salt water that comes up after fracking and disposing of it by reinjecting it into the ground. They do this because it’s cheap way to handle the flow back water. Fracking itself doesn’t cause any seismic activity.
I missed this earlier, just quoted it for anybody that might check in before thread dies and skips straight to the bottom

>Drilling is fracking

Whoever made that infographic is a retard and should be shot.

IT'S IN THE FRAKKING SHIP!!!!

You are fucking stupid. that isn't drilling, only "drilled" part is the hole to insert the fluid for breaking apart the shale and natural gas.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing

Their favourite Hollywood celebrity told them fracking is bad. They are low information and don't care about the science or the EPA report that found that fracking is safe

Oil has to come from somewhere stupid. If you want to stick it to big oil stop using oil.

Hydrofluoric?
Totally safe...pussy roughnecks. More like barebacks.

They saw the water from the tap burning in the movie!

Not all leftists are environmentalists. And environmentalists don't hate life, they hate humans.

My gas is still 2 bucks a gallon, emucuck. What is it over there? If it's less, than good for you. If your shit is even more than ours, then fuck off.

libruls hate money other people have

Me looking for a form of energy that liberals don't hate.

Wind and solar are objectively too weak and can't be taken seriously. Nobody panicked when Solyndra went bankrupt, and nobody should.

Liberals hate the fact other people worked for their money or even have money for no reason. Not that just have it.
Say you have a libtard friend, and you too were a liberal. If he won a multi-million dollar lottery, after taxes, and became successful, then he would instantly consider you a shitbag, for simply being lucky.
Another case: Say you were a libshit, friends with another libshit, you worked your ass off becoming a manager, then a eventually a fucking CEO or equivalent and made buckets of fucking money, yet your libshit friend still works at a fucking Starbucks, he/she will resent you for succeeding. There's no winning with these people. If you have libshit friends, dump them.

Geothermal, hydro

Geothermal could be pretty good. It'd be especially useful around the Yellowstone supervolcano, since cooling the magma could help postpone eruption.

the waste water from fracking is literally untreatable, its filled to the brim with highly toxic materials that kill anything it contaminates. The short sighted solution of, putting it in the ground so its out of sigh out of mind is just like how the fucking dust bowl started. This will start a way more wacky dystopian water crisis. But hey keep fracking away without a care and watch the landscapes start to brown out again

It wouldn't be enough to halt the next eruption by even a fraction... The chamber is absolutely massive... We shouldn't be worried anyways, shit won't go off for several thousand more years.

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It's a stupid idea for delaying the eruption, but geothermal plants could supply most of wyoming with all the electricity they'd need on top of the wind turbines they already have, since solar isn't a good option due to the snow. But so many people in the state depend on oil for a living that it'd never happen.

“Liberals” (stop calling them this amerifats) will take the opposite side automatically on every argument because they are overgrown stupid children

Pit bulls statistically higher in fatal attacks than all other breeds combined? Save teh pitbulls it’s the owners not the breed *posts the single study conducted about bites which fits their narrative*

Gun deaths statistically low, and real crime stats lowered in all areas with CC? Ban muh guns abloobloo my feelings I hate statistics